I owned the Ode. I now use the EK43S. The Ode froze up on me after a few months. Might have been a stone or similar, but at its price point, I decided to just chuck it rather than pursue a costly repair. The EK43 is frankly too much grinder for me, but I love it! Fast, powerful, a little scary. One thing that doesn't get mentioned too often is the stunningly low retention of the Mahlkonig. I grind into a cup for filter, knock the chute, and I keep a little pastry brush by the grinder for quickly dusting off the chute after my 20g, 1.5 second grind, and I'm consistently getting between zero and two tenths of a gram retention. Of course, sometimes I get +.1-.2g back, giving the illusion that the grinder is actually *making* coffee, heh.
@@Raditram I never really did a controlled comparison between the grinders with respect to flavor--there's so much variation between beans / roasts / extraction methods, etc. I do my own roasting, but also purchase from a local roaster, so I'm always using lightly roasted coffee
@@larsthorwald3338 Wow thanks for the thorough comment! I'd probably never consider the EK for home use, but for future cafe It's always on the horizon. I mean if the result from the ODE is 80% as good for 1/10th of the price I'd probably be super happy. One of my local cafe actually used a Mazzer ZM and I can say that it delivered one of the best brewed coffee I ever had.
I finally took the bullet to get one last week (second hand 1 year old) very new and the previous owner didn’t use much at all. My question is, what grind setting you at for normal pour over let say v60? I set it at 11.5 for the latest test and still find the TBT too slow 😏 not sure what’s going on as I’ve aligned and cleaned the burr and all good to go. Was your ek43 creates a lot of fines like mine (stock burr standard)? Or is it because the burr still very sharp? Thanks
This is an insane comparison. The EK is designed to be a commercial bag grinder, appropriate for espresso, and was never designed for the home. The Fellow is a grinder designed for home brewing. It's analogous to comparing a semi trailer truck to a pickup truck. A more appropriate comparison would be comparing a Baratza Forte (affordable, domestic, espresso grinder) with a Weber EG-1 (luxury, domestic, espresso grinder).
I currently use the 64mm Mazzer Brewing Burr (not for espresso) from SSP with silver knight coating for the Ode, I am a lot more happy with the results. Perhaps you can do a comparison with those!
I’ve got the same thing! They’re really solid. Calibrating at 11 (all the way to the right) before swapping burrs gives me friggen great pour overs at 6 1/3 grind settings.
@@greggoodenough5607 dang that's the burr I got and it wouldn't install, is it the cast silver knight sweet burr ? I couldn't get the stationary burr to even come close.
@@rjejames28 I have no idea what cast sweet burr is, it’s the 64mm Mazzer brewing burr off SSP with silver knight coating. I can fit the burrs both ways as I tried different setups, settled with Fellow’s recommendation
@@WhiskyTanuki the burrs are same? The rotation burr and stationary are identical? Just trying to figure out if we have the same burr, my two burrs looked exactly and same a I think interchangeable.
Definitely agree! However I could see myself grinding 250g for cold brew here and there. I don’t think the time to grind is a selling point, just an interesting comparison.
A much better comparison would have been something like a Baratza Encore or Feima 601n. Even in the $200-$300 space the Ode is very different from anything I can think of since it is explicitly single dose and cannot grind for espresso. Obviously the Ode isn't going to compare in terms of grind consistency but you're also putting it through paces it was never designed for (ie - grinding an entire 250g bag all at once)
If you're consistently grinding < 25g of coffee - I'd go for the C40. I have both and with the amount of cleaning/upkeep needed on the Ode, you don't save much time over the manual grind process. Plus, the C40 can go significantly finer (down to espresso, which I've also used it for), making it an ideal all-around grinder. I purchased the Ode to grind larger doses for an automatic brewer and it functions great in that capacity.
This is like comparing a Honda Accord to a Tesla.
Plus the Fellow Ode is one of the fastest grinders under $1,000. It’s even faster than the EG-1
I owned the Ode. I now use the EK43S. The Ode froze up on me after a few months. Might have been a stone or similar, but at its price point, I decided to just chuck it rather than pursue a costly repair. The EK43 is frankly too much grinder for me, but I love it! Fast, powerful, a little scary. One thing that doesn't get mentioned too often is the stunningly low retention of the Mahlkonig. I grind into a cup for filter, knock the chute, and I keep a little pastry brush by the grinder for quickly dusting off the chute after my 20g, 1.5 second grind, and I'm consistently getting between zero and two tenths of a gram retention. Of course, sometimes I get +.1-.2g back, giving the illusion that the grinder is actually *making* coffee, heh.
How much improvement in taste did you get from the Ek? And for how big the price gap is, do the flavor gap is also as big?
@@Raditram I never really did a controlled comparison between the grinders with respect to flavor--there's so much variation between beans / roasts / extraction methods, etc. I do my own roasting, but also purchase from a local roaster, so I'm always using lightly roasted coffee
@@larsthorwald3338 Wow thanks for the thorough comment! I'd probably never consider the EK for home use, but for future cafe It's always on the horizon. I mean if the result from the ODE is 80% as good for 1/10th of the price I'd probably be super happy. One of my local cafe actually used a Mazzer ZM and I can say that it delivered one of the best brewed coffee I ever had.
I finally took the bullet to get one last week (second hand 1 year old) very new and the previous owner didn’t use much at all.
My question is, what grind setting you at for normal pour over let say v60?
I set it at 11.5 for the latest test and still find the TBT too slow 😏 not sure what’s going on as I’ve aligned and cleaned the burr and all good to go.
Was your ek43 creates a lot of fines like mine (stock burr standard)? Or is it because the burr still very sharp?
Thanks
Excellent content guys. Keep it up. I learned something new today. Thanks!
Thanks for working in grams!
This is an insane comparison. The EK is designed to be a commercial bag grinder, appropriate for espresso, and was never designed for the home. The Fellow is a grinder designed for home brewing. It's analogous to comparing a semi trailer truck to a pickup truck.
A more appropriate comparison would be comparing a Baratza Forte (affordable, domestic, espresso grinder) with a Weber EG-1 (luxury, domestic, espresso grinder).
Would love to see this same video with the Mythos 2 Grav and the EK43! Great video and content.
Ahahaha. I actually laughed at when the stealth mode happened... Great comparison!
Dont know how i ended up here but you have a michigan sweatshirt on so ill give you a like.
I don't know what this comparison acheives....
This is clearly no buying guide! Just an interesting comparison between cafe and home quality appliances.
I currently use the 64mm Mazzer Brewing Burr (not for espresso) from SSP with silver knight coating for the Ode, I am a lot more happy with the results.
Perhaps you can do a comparison with those!
I’ve got the same thing! They’re really solid. Calibrating at 11 (all the way to the right) before swapping burrs gives me friggen great pour overs at 6 1/3 grind settings.
@@greggoodenough5607 dang that's the burr I got and it wouldn't install, is it the cast silver knight sweet burr ? I couldn't get the stationary burr to even come close.
Is that the silver knight SSP cast sweet burr? I couldn't get that to install on the stationary burr.
@@rjejames28 I have no idea what cast sweet burr is, it’s the 64mm Mazzer brewing burr off SSP with silver knight coating. I can fit the burrs both ways as I tried different setups, settled with Fellow’s recommendation
@@WhiskyTanuki the burrs are same? The rotation burr and stationary are identical? Just trying to figure out if we have the same burr, my two burrs looked exactly and same a I think interchangeable.
It's a good vdo. I'm interested in Fellow Ode and Could you please comparison with Niche Zero too? Thanks :)
looking to get our hands on one asap!
@@Coffeehaus Great!
Not many ppl can afford EK43 😢 can you please do a blind test on hand grinder like Commandante / iZepresso vs EK43? Thanks 🙏🙏🙏
Ode plus ssp burrs would get close I bet, unfortunately I couldnt install them in mine.
Absolutely
What is your opinion of changing Ode original burr to the S.S.P Silver Knight? Would that help with the grind size and extraction?
Sure does! It just comes down to if the price works for you
An Ode would not last a week in a cafe as it's a home grinder but how many people want to grind 250Gms of beans in one go at home.
Definitely agree! However I could see myself grinding 250g for cold brew here and there. I don’t think the time to grind is a selling point, just an interesting comparison.
I feel like the Asian Feima 601n is a design language downsizing of the EK43 worth taking a peek at.
you're absolutely right. looking to get our hands on one soon!
@@Coffeehaus looking forward to it! Subbed!
@@Coffeehaus Rather than 601n, I strongly that you review the Fuji Royal or the Kalita Next G instead!
A much better comparison would have been something like a Baratza Encore or Feima 601n. Even in the $200-$300 space the Ode is very different from anything I can think of since it is explicitly single dose and cannot grind for espresso.
Obviously the Ode isn't going to compare in terms of grind consistency but you're also putting it through paces it was never designed for (ie - grinding an entire 250g bag all at once)
The Mahlkonig isn't even close to being able to fit on my counter. Used to have Mazzer Mini and even that wouldn't fit now.
and I'm happy with my $ 90.00 Delonghi-Ariete Grinder Pro ... you should try it
could you compare with comandante c40 ? grind size distribution/fines aspect. They are in the same price range
If you're consistently grinding < 25g of coffee - I'd go for the C40. I have both and with the amount of cleaning/upkeep needed on the Ode, you don't save much time over the manual grind process. Plus, the C40 can go significantly finer (down to espresso, which I've also used it for), making it an ideal all-around grinder. I purchased the Ode to grind larger doses for an automatic brewer and it functions great in that capacity.
@@brennborror3427 Can you taste a difference between them for pour over/drip?
6:38 Luke had pure happiness on his face
Lol that blind tasting seems questionable...
so much for blind taste testing. lol.
Do commandante vs ek
What for ? He will choose the EK over comandante ...
this could be the most ridiculous confirmation bias that disguises itself as a "comparison"
the cheap one is all Microplastics Avoid you get what you pay for
Microns
Seems weird to compare these two when only one can do espresso.
You really have some unfounded bias / hatred against Fellow don’t you?
definetly he is
You lost me when you called coffee fines, chaff...
Yep, if there's still chaff after roasting, you're doing it wrong.