You guys are a great example of the kind of patience, wisdom, tenacity and hard work ethic of millions of stand-up guys around the world. We built the World ffs! There are some women too of course with the same qualities, but I don't see any feminists protesting for the right of women to become concrete workers! Once again Bondo, another great job done well. A subscriber from the UK.
Really enjoyed your video, I like the way you go the extra mile and complete the ground work properly, before pouring the mud. Here comes the mud!!!!. Cheers from Australia. 🇦🇺
Nice work ! 😊 The water in the parameters of the barn are also created by SNOW and Rain comming off the roof line. The install of gutters or another shed roof will deflect the hydraulics load away from the structure! Living and building in Montana taught me a lot as it would SNOW 300''+ per year and a frost depth of 4' to 6' per winter.
Another nice job. Definitely getting a head start this year with the milder weather. Tell Big Biscuit to go easy, and save some needle and thread for the rest of us.
Thanks !!! I really look forward to your videos. They are very entertaining and informative. I am impressed with how hard your crew works. Keep them coming 👍👍
Wow. Ronny….. pushing 50k. I remember when I was beggin folks to get you to 10k. Biscuit… easy around sharp things. I’m glad you don’t use corrugated pipe for drain. I’m going to make you a pex dispenser and ship it or maybe deliver in person. That poor guy unreeling is going to have back pain from being hunched over. Great content Bud. Thanks!
I think I would have dug the drain on the outside to try to keep the water off the poles as much as possible. Even though they may be pressure treated, they will rot when constantly in wet dirt. Still a great job.
Didn't anyone stick a shovel in the ground even before the building was started? All this work should have been done in advance of construction, including drainage on outside of footprint. Why no chairs under mesh?
3/17/24..Always grab your videos whenever posted..much enjoy learning as you point out..'tis how we do it (right)!' So kindly explain why you intermittently use those wire mesh Elevation Chairs...last video from you, saw them, you commented..now this job, no chairs!?! Also good job on scrapping out tons of wet clay/dirt before beginning..+ perf drain pipe routed to 'daylight'.. also liked that 'new' black 'Shotgun Barrel' plastic protector for Radiant floor heating (red) tubes...looks very professional! 😮Have Never seen👀😮 your Heavy cc truck roll over your base fill, visqueen plastic vapor barrier & wire mesh (without chairs) 🙆 before! I thought I would see noticeable tire trks/ruts/depressions/ bent wire etc...but No..your red rock foundation was waaay strong! No 'squish'..A+...but again..no mid section wire mesh pulled up or 'chaired-up-to-center' in cc slurry...? Hope you can comment on this seeming contradiction: wire mesh in center of poured slurry...or not.🤔 Stay safe, 🏥hope 'Big Biscuit's' cuts/wounds/stitches heal up quickly (🍺🍺 can help, right?) & carry on! Looking for your next video🎉⚙️💪😊
We pulled the wire up with potato rakes and we do not use chairs as they are not safe to walk on and can not drive the trucks on them. The wire should be on the tension side of the slab. That is the bottom 1/3rd of the slab as worse is applied to the top.
Nice work, sub-irrigated soil doesn't always show up depending on the season and dryness of the climate during the year. A dry year, end of summer build, that clay would be like concrete. The couch contractors wouldn't get that. The clay certainly prevents proper drainage. In my area we lay down some larger stone (1-1/4") as a ballast and base for the gravel with the fine ground mix (3/4 minus) when that much has to be excavated. Arguably that doesn't apply to all regions with varied soil conditions.
Hello Ron, hard to believe someone would put that lovely barn up and leave all that soft shit inside and not pull the site off and put some decent stone down, even as a starting point for the floor to be made up ready to concrete. And even worse on that sort of ground and grades, not put a nice drain around the outside to help protect the inside. The levels and conditions are sort of telling you what needs to be done. There's even a ditch to help 😀 great job as always, atb to you 🙂👍
@@TUGG75 I know what he was hired for tugg75, but when I've done something similar I pulled off the site area I was working on to make it a cleaner to work on and would chat to the client about it, so when the next trade/contractor it would just be better and just save time and be better to work on, that's all. I always try to think ahead so the customer gets a neat job with less hassle that's all 👍
I like your videos. I know you may not be able to influence the client but the water issue needs to be addressed from the exterior, first. Gutters, drain tile... I agree with an internal drain tile but the water needs to be stopped before it enters. My opinion. Thanks for your hard work.
Hi, I really enjoy the videos. It's like being on the job site! I'm a fellow NY'er in Albany county and was wondering who makes the black colored insulation board. I haven't seen it around here in my area. I also purchase material from Supply House--great outfit! Thank you.
I build a lot of pole barns (see my channel) and am mortified someone would go that far on a project (even installing electrical) without at least some minimal site work to slope away from the building. It doesn't have to be perfect, just minimal common sense grading. Having wet muddy clay and standing water inside a pole barn is bad for so many reasons. I feel bad that it comes down to the concrete guy to deal with this. Personally, I would not trust the clay sub grade to provide good slab support until it has drained, dried, and had a chance to mingle with the gravel, then readjusted with more gravel. Since clay is expansive, there will be a significant volume change between wet muddy clay and dry clay, and that will come back to bite you if the slab is poured without proper time for the ground to dry, settle, and stabilize. Should have been addressed *months* before the concrete guy showed up. Shameful.
This concrete work reminds me of the saying, Beauty is skin deep but that's deep enough for me. I was impressed with the amount of rebar that was put in place. The problem is, though , that the rebar should have been raised off the ground a few inches and be sitting on what are called chairs so that the rebar is in approximately the centre of the concrete. I know that's impossible to do if the cement truck is driving on it -- which is an absolute No No -- but I saw no attempt to lift it as he backed off either. I suggest that the rebar is useless sitting at the bottom and will rust away, and as it cracks, the concrete will become uneven causing tripping hazards. And like the wrinkles we get as we age, the skin will no longer be so beautiful.
Flip side.... we wish we could find contractors that are nice honest and treat us with respect. Its not the way of the world. You do a nice job though.
It really goes both ways. It seems like society has lost its manners and nobody treats others the way they want to be treated. I had a really nice customer the other day that started tearing up and gave us hugs for fixing his heater. I told my trainee, I wish more customers appreciated what we do instead of being rude, entitled and demanding. A little respect and kindness goes a long way. Treat your contractors well and if they don't return the favor, get another contractor.
I’m getting ready to have a 40’x60’ shop built on my property in Wyoming. I find your videos very informative as a home owner. I don’t have a concrete contractor as of yet but I sincerely hope that my guy has the same work ethic as you. Your work truly appears to be of high-quality. 29:49 My only suggestion to you is in your videos. Please slow down your pans/ camera movements as they can get a little dizzy watching your finalvideo product.
Great job. What do you do with the 2x6’s that form up the heater floor area? Do you pull the boards then fill in the void after laying the mud down? Keep up the great work. I’m in Niagara County, NY. Crazy warm weather this year. It was a bad year to buy a new sled.
My building when they built it, they cut the bottom from a hill to level it. But the one side which is on the hill side should have made it higher. Whoever poured the concrete never cut a relief in it. It really doesn't have many cracks that are really bad which is surprising. The building contractor used nails instead of screws but it's been there at least 30 some years. Also after they poured the concrete the forms were never pulled and so I can't tell if I remove them if i will have a problem at the bottom of the metal panels.
About 10 years ago here in IRELAND we did a job like this and we pulled the truck in like you have but we forgot when he emptied out the concrete the truck raised up and we couldn't get him out. We had to let some air out of all his tyre's to get him out and we where lucky the farmer we where doing the job for had a Air pump on a Tractor to pump the tyres back up or it whould have cost a lot to get someone out to pump them back up 😂😂😂 I will never forget that Day.
Hey Bondo As always the work turned out amazing. You have a hell of a crew. That was a lot of extra work you did to have the water drain under the concrete, which is obviously the right way to have had done that. But I’m curious, was that in the original estimate? And another thing, a lot of our fellow concrete colleagues went to the WOC and Decocreate conventions, have you ever been or ever plan to go? Anyway, I always enjoy your videos, I think you are definitely up there with the top shelf guys. Thanks again, my friend, see you on your next video. Joe 🤙
I love the idea of a pole barn especially as you can lay a concrete floor later on when money/time permits. I was just wondering though, how you deal with the posts/poles rotting at ground level. Would probably rot after about 50 years I guess so do you cut out the rot and strap new timber replacements or do you install concrete ground pads? Or something else? Cheers Bondo.
Trying to learn something here... Why did you form up that small heated area when it's the same elevation as the rest of the barn? And now that the form is embedded in the concrete what's going to happen to that long term?
I've watched numerous cement contractors on UA-cam lay down the wire mesh before pouring the mud. That's how it's done. You pull up on the mesh as the concrete exits the chute and lands on the ground. But as the guys are doing their thing and walking on the mesh, aren't they just pushing it back down to the vapor barrier? I've seen some guys that use the little stanchions to keep it above the vapor barrier but then of course you can't drive the truck inside the pole barn. How do you know that the mesh is right where you want it?
in 20 years, there will be a beautiful, heated, concrete slab here .. with poles rotted off at ground level :) the owners can open a year-round roller skating rink
Sorry I fast forward them when they are long videos. Never liked allowing water to infiltrate the structure to them guide it back out. And allowing contact on to the posts. Why not have foam board for a *thermal* break all around the heated slab wood is not a thermal break. I appreciate your videos.✌️
You needed to start on the OUTSIDE to STOP the water getting INTO this pole barn with grading away from the outside and a perforated pipe and gravel to divert it away then just level the inner floor 4 inch lower than floor grade and finish with compacted gravel INSIDE
I really enjoy your videos. You are very professional, knowledgeable, and detail oriented. I learn a lot watching you. Keep up the good work!
U do awesome work!! Keep doing what ur doing, I enjoy ur videos
Are those wooden columns underground.of so won't last long
You guys are a great example of the kind of patience, wisdom, tenacity and hard work ethic of millions of stand-up guys around the world. We built the World ffs! There are some women too of course with the same qualities, but I don't see any feminists protesting for the right of women to become concrete workers! Once again Bondo, another great job done well. A subscriber from the UK.
I don't miss this. Retired last May and the last pour I worked was 660 yards in a chemical plant. Now I just get to enjoy retirement. 😁
Nice job Ron. You definitely go the extra mile to ensure an A+ completion on every job you do. Love your content. BRING IT!!
Really enjoyed your video, I like the way you go the extra mile and complete the ground work properly, before pouring the mud. Here comes the mud!!!!. Cheers from Australia. 🇦🇺
Nice work ! 😊 The water in the parameters of the barn are also created by SNOW and Rain comming off the roof line. The install of gutters or another shed roof will deflect the hydraulics load away from the structure!
Living and building in Montana taught me a lot as it would SNOW 300''+ per year and a frost depth of 4' to 6' per winter.
Another nice job. Definitely getting a head start this year with the milder weather. Tell Big Biscuit to go easy, and save some needle and thread for the rest of us.
thanks for the video Bondo! help made my sunday night. dinner at 9 and a bondo video !!!! life is good.
Thanks glad you enjoyed it.
Thanks for taking the time to film and share your work with us. You do a great job and I learn so much watching you guys.
Thanks !!! I really look forward to your videos. They are very entertaining and informative. I am impressed with how hard your crew works. Keep them coming 👍👍
Great job as always brother. Glad to see Row on the job .👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Another nice job Bondo.
I dont have to miss doing this stuff as long as i can watch you doing it. lol
Lol awesome just keep watching us.
Looks good….i have 43 years of experience in northeast Texas as a Homebuilder
Thanks that means a lot from a veteran like you sir.
Great video and draining diverting that water and prepping that lean-to ground. "That's how we do it" is the way it should be done, sir. 😇
Good to see you’re working and enjoying life 😊 working is good 👍
Great work and attention to detail. Your team work so well together, like a well oiled machine. Very impressive. From 🇬🇧
Wow. Ronny….. pushing 50k. I remember when I was beggin folks to get you to 10k. Biscuit… easy around sharp things. I’m glad you don’t use corrugated pipe for drain. I’m going to make you a pex dispenser and ship it or maybe deliver in person. That poor guy unreeling is going to have back pain from being hunched over. Great content Bud. Thanks!
Uncle Jim. You have been there since the beginning. You are by far my biggest fan and I really appreciate your support my friend😊.
Always Awesome Work! You really have the Pex Pipe / insulation Install down good... Very good system!
I think I would have dug the drain on the outside to try to keep the water off the poles as much as possible. Even though they may be pressure treated, they will rot when constantly in wet dirt. Still a great job.
That's exactly what I was thinking as well.....keep the water from getting inside the building.
Didn't anyone stick a shovel in the ground even before the building was started? All this work should have been done in advance of construction, including drainage on outside of footprint. Why no chairs under mesh?
Did I miss seeing you guys pull the wire up into the mix?
We pulled it up.
You guys got some serious work done on day 1 I'm impressed!
You and team. Doing thoughtful work.
poles in the ground, your favourite Ron
3/17/24..Always grab your videos whenever posted..much enjoy learning as you point out..'tis how we do it (right)!'
So kindly explain why you intermittently use those wire mesh Elevation Chairs...last video from you, saw them, you commented..now this job, no chairs!?!
Also good job on scrapping out tons of wet clay/dirt before beginning..+ perf drain pipe routed to 'daylight'.. also liked that 'new' black 'Shotgun Barrel' plastic protector for Radiant floor heating (red) tubes...looks very professional!
😮Have Never seen👀😮 your Heavy cc truck roll over your base fill, visqueen plastic vapor barrier & wire mesh (without chairs) 🙆 before! I thought I would see noticeable tire trks/ruts/depressions/ bent wire etc...but No..your red rock foundation was waaay strong! No 'squish'..A+...but again..no mid section wire mesh pulled up or 'chaired-up-to-center' in cc slurry...? Hope you can comment on this seeming contradiction: wire mesh in center of poured slurry...or not.🤔
Stay safe, 🏥hope 'Big Biscuit's' cuts/wounds/stitches heal up quickly (🍺🍺 can help, right?) & carry on! Looking for your next video🎉⚙️💪😊
We pulled the wire up with potato rakes and we do not use chairs as they are not safe to walk on and can not drive the trucks on them. The wire should be on the tension side of the slab. That is the bottom 1/3rd of the slab as worse is applied to the top.
Good to see the boss is back roeder and different kind of excavator work for you but you handled it well take care enjoy your videos 😊
All good, Bondo. You're common sense approach to fixing everything makes them damned engineers obsolete!
Nice work, sub-irrigated soil doesn't always show up depending on the season and dryness of the climate during the year. A dry year, end of summer build, that clay would be like concrete. The couch contractors wouldn't get that. The clay certainly prevents proper drainage. In my area we lay down some larger stone (1-1/4") as a ballast and base for the gravel with the fine ground mix (3/4 minus) when that much has to be excavated. Arguably that doesn't apply to all regions with varied soil conditions.
Thanks. We even pulled out some stumps in this one. LOL
Hello Ron, hard to believe someone would put that lovely barn up and leave all that soft shit inside and not pull the site off and put some decent stone down, even as a starting point for the floor to be made up ready to concrete. And even worse on that sort of ground and grades, not put a nice drain around the outside to help protect the inside. The levels and conditions are sort of telling you what needs to be done. There's even a ditch to help 😀 great job as always,
atb to you 🙂👍
@@TUGG75 I know what he was hired for tugg75, but when I've done something similar I pulled off the site area I was working on to make it a cleaner to work on and would chat to the client about it, so when the next trade/contractor it would just be better and just save time and be better to work on, that's all. I always try to think ahead so the customer gets a neat job with less hassle that's all 👍
@@TUGG75 fair enough, that's a good point 👍
so do you leave the timber edging in the concrete around the heated area od the floor, and if you do how does this affect the floor and timber life ?
Im curious about that too
I was wondering that myself as well?
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It wasnt even pressure treated. Guaranteed to rot. Or was that the plan?
92 👍's up BB thank you for sharing 🤗
I like your videos. I know you may not be able to influence the client but the water issue needs to be addressed from the exterior, first. Gutters, drain tile... I agree with an internal drain tile but the water needs to be stopped before it enters. My opinion. Thanks for your hard work.
Did the wood forms stay in the heated area or did they get removed?
They stay and he will screw a wall into it and they will be hidden under the walls oof that room.
Wish y'all were in Idaho! Need a small shop poured just like this, minus the clay mess! Goodwork!
Nice job as always ya have a good crew
"The Vicarious' always makes me SMILE! 😉
nice video and work Just wondering if u were lifting the steel and i didnt see any joints ???
Yes we pulled the steel with potato rakes and we cut the joints at the end.
@@bondobuilt386 I didn't realise the steel is supposed to be in the bottom 3rd
Hi, I really enjoy the videos. It's like being on the job site! I'm a fellow NY'er in Albany county and was wondering who makes the black colored insulation board. I haven't seen it around here in my area. I also purchase material from Supply House--great outfit! Thank you.
I get the foam from my town lumber yard. I am going to try and get more info from him.
Nice job man, great result
Great video
A man that is impressed by his scars is a man that loves hard work!
I build a lot of pole barns (see my channel) and am mortified someone would go that far on a project (even installing electrical) without at least some minimal site work to slope away from the building. It doesn't have to be perfect, just minimal common sense grading. Having wet muddy clay and standing water inside a pole barn is bad for so many reasons. I feel bad that it comes down to the concrete guy to deal with this.
Personally, I would not trust the clay sub grade to provide good slab support until it has drained, dried, and had a chance to mingle with the gravel, then readjusted with more gravel. Since clay is expansive, there will be a significant volume change between wet muddy clay and dry clay, and that will come back to bite you if the slab is poured without proper time for the ground to dry, settle, and stabilize. Should have been addressed *months* before the concrete guy showed up. Shameful.
fun to watch a craftsman working...so few of them araound
This concrete work reminds me of the saying, Beauty is skin deep but that's deep enough for me. I was impressed with the amount of rebar that was put in place. The problem is, though , that the rebar should have been raised off the ground a few inches and be sitting on what are called chairs so that the rebar is in approximately the centre of the concrete. I know that's impossible to do if the cement truck is driving on it -- which is an absolute No No -- but I saw no attempt to lift it as he backed off either. I suggest that the rebar is useless sitting at the bottom and will rust away, and as it cracks, the concrete will become uneven causing tripping hazards. And like the wrinkles we get as we age, the skin will no longer be so beautiful.
Flip side.... we wish we could find contractors that are nice honest and treat us with respect. Its not the way of the world. You do a nice job though.
It really goes both ways. It seems like society has lost its manners and nobody treats others the way they want to be treated.
I had a really nice customer the other day that started tearing up and gave us hugs for fixing his heater. I told my trainee, I wish more customers appreciated what we do instead of being rude, entitled and demanding. A little respect and kindness goes a long way.
Treat your contractors well and if they don't return the favor, get another contractor.
Awesome job
Nice work
I’m getting ready to have a 40’x60’ shop built on my property in Wyoming. I find your videos very informative as a home owner. I don’t have a concrete contractor as of yet but I sincerely hope that my guy has the same work ethic as you. Your work truly appears to be of high-quality. 29:49
My only suggestion to you is in your videos. Please slow down your pans/ camera movements as they can get a little dizzy watching your finalvideo product.
Good stuff !
That was a great video. How much does just the concrete cost, without labor?
When do you pull those form boards out around the radiant heat area.
I don't think he does..
Nice job! Hope you show the floor after it's washed.
nice project....good work results in more work! Pole barn area might need some exterior grading to keep rainwater clear of building?
What good is the steel grid if it’s at the bottom rather than the middle?
Hey bondo it’s great you know your materials and how to choose and design the project Erik
Thanks Erik
When you cut open a biscuit in New York do you pit butter or jelly in it?
Great job. What do you do with the 2x6’s that form up the heater floor area? Do you pull the boards then fill in the void after laying the mud down?
Keep up the great work. I’m in Niagara County, NY. Crazy warm weather this year. It was a bad year to buy a new sled.
What brand is the black foam board and where do you get it
My building when they built it, they cut the bottom from a hill to level it. But the one side which is on the hill side should have made it higher. Whoever poured the concrete never cut a relief in it. It really doesn't have many cracks that are really bad which is surprising. The building contractor used nails instead of screws but it's been there at least 30 some years. Also after they poured the concrete the forms were never pulled and so I can't tell if I remove them if i will have a problem at the bottom of the metal panels.
I hope no mushrooms were harmed in the filming of this video
I've never seen mushrooms that look like that, those looked like they were huge.
@@davidparker9676that's what she said...lol
I'm sure they called the shrune police in New York city to check for Historical site b4 they dug.
nice job
What a great job
great job all the time
What brand is your 2 inch foam board please and I guess you like it ether then pink board
top notch work, inspector for 40 years in 5 states , more first aid kit for dinner roll not a bisquit anymore lol
how thick should the floor be forto drive on with big trucks
About 10 years ago here in IRELAND we did a job like this and we pulled the truck in like you have but we forgot when he emptied out the concrete the truck raised up and we couldn't get him out. We had to let some air out of all his tyre's to get him out and we where lucky the farmer we where doing the job for had a Air pump on a Tractor to pump the tyres back up or it whould have cost a lot to get someone out to pump them back up 😂😂😂 I will never forget that Day.
LOL
we were real careful watching him back out of there. LOL
It’s a lot of work but there’s nothing better than a clean concrete floor
Hey Bondo
As always the work turned out amazing. You have a hell of a crew.
That was a lot of extra work you did to have the water drain under the concrete, which is obviously the right way to have had done that. But I’m curious, was that in the original estimate? And another thing, a lot of our fellow concrete colleagues went to the WOC and Decocreate conventions, have you ever been or ever plan to go?
Anyway, I always enjoy your videos, I think you are definitely up there with the top shelf guys.
Thanks again, my friend, see you on your next video.
Joe 🤙
Looks great. Did you leave the timber in place around the heated part?
Good work
Great looking job! Out of curiosity, could the tile have been put outside the building instead of inside?
I love the idea of a pole barn especially as you can lay a concrete floor later on when money/time permits. I was just wondering though, how you deal with the posts/poles rotting at ground level. Would probably rot after about 50 years I guess so do you cut out the rot and strap new timber replacements or do you install concrete ground pads? Or something else? Cheers Bondo.
What happens to the 2x6 form around the radiant section, is it just left in place ? You really know how to do things right. Thanks for the education
Perfect as usual.
That was an experienced dump truck driver no doubt
how thick was this pour ? also did I misstate guys lifting the mesh up into the cement?
5-1/2" thick and yes guys lifted the wire mesh with potato rakes.
From what I know about working in the concrete field, Is you cover the concrete with curing blankets and keep the blanks wet for 28 day
Biscuit needs a Gerry Cheevers like mask with all the stitch marks on it.😂
the job is so much easier when you have mixer drivers who can lay the concrete in even layers
How many years before those buried 6x6 'poles' rot away? Your crew got a LOT done in the first 9 hours! 😃
Looks nice
Trying to learn something here... Why did you form up that small heated area when it's the same elevation as the rest of the barn? And now that the form is embedded in the concrete what's going to happen to that long term?
What foam board are you using?
Bondo does circle T have more than one plant?
Ur music Blows!
So does your comment. LOL
Old biscuit can' catch a break!
Beautiful job. But if there is a spring in that corner those posts probably aren't going to last long whether you put drain tile or not.
Dang biscuit’s lost a bunch of weight. He’s like a gluten free biscuit now!
I've watched numerous cement contractors on UA-cam lay down the wire mesh before pouring the mud. That's how it's done. You pull up on the mesh as the concrete exits the chute and lands on the ground. But as the guys are doing their thing and walking on the mesh, aren't they just pushing it back down to the vapor barrier? I've seen some guys that use the little stanchions to keep it above the vapor barrier but then of course you can't drive the truck inside the pole barn. How do you know that the mesh is right where you want it?
Would like to see how you laid those drains.
Where did you get that plastic from? Why is part of it black and part of it is white?
Go job😊
in 20 years, there will be a beautiful, heated, concrete slab here .. with poles rotted off at ground level :) the owners can open a year-round roller skating rink
Sorry I fast forward them when they are long videos.
Never liked allowing water to infiltrate the structure to them guide it back out. And allowing contact on to the posts.
Why not have foam board for a *thermal* break all around the heated slab wood is not a thermal break.
I appreciate your videos.✌️
your gravel is more dirt then rock?
Would you mind making some more DIY oriented videos? Asking for myself and others potentially
If I ever had concrete work to do Id sure hire your crew.
You needed to start on the OUTSIDE to STOP the water getting INTO this pole barn with grading away from the outside and a perforated pipe and gravel to divert it away then just level the inner floor 4 inch lower than floor grade and finish with compacted gravel INSIDE
Aren’t you supposed to take 2x4 out of floor were that room is ?
I can't imagine not addressing drainage even if he had a gravel floor.
It would a mushroom farm without it.