The “ain’t that a bitch” speech is quite possibly my favorite ending to a show ever period. Carried so much weight especially because church was my favorite character since the very beginning.
The cake headed boy got a birthday cake so huge it crushed him alive, he’s said to still have cake all over him covering his entire face except one eyes with the most despised looking boy that had the same look as when a kid drops his ice cream. ua-cam.com/video/StCAcI1w1gg/v-deo.html
@@JARG09631 same. I watched the entire series (seasons 1-15 at the time) in the span of a summer and I connected with the characters. I, someone who finds it nearly impossible to cry, teared up and nearly broke down during Church's speech. It just goes to show how much love was put into the the show, even if some argue that it should have ended earlier than 13
I think it's pretty impressive that RvB managed to take so long to go down the gutter. A good chunk of other series could only _dream_ of hitting 13 good seasons.
Yeah it's hard to keep an audience tuned in for a really long time. 13 seasons is big! I big time HBO series fell down around season 9 or 10, but RT managed to keep their audiences happy for a longer duration, and they're not even as popular as HBO.
For anyone who doesn’t know, monty made a lot of the fight scenes pretty much on his own at the start. Burnie said monty regularly slept at the office and would actually wait for a nearby coffee shop to open in the morning.
Seriously, Monty was the life blood of the animation studio of RT. His passing set all of their projects back 10 fold. I couldn’t watch RWBYs animation after it lost Monty’s influence. I still go back and watch their tribute video to him. Brings a tear to me eye.
@@MattBailz Honestly same, I goback and watch it every once in a while, and whilst I never met him, there's always that pang of someone who wasn't finished, he left behind so much and it affected everyone at the company so deeply
He did have a friend he often collaborated with though I can't remember his name. He was a skilled animator in his own right. Still, since he was never officially part of the team after Monty died, he was pushed to a sort of advisor role where he was rarely listened to until he was eventually pushed out entirely.
Bill Watterson(the writer of Calvin and Hobbes) refused offer after offer to sell the copyrights of his work which likely could have made him 10s of millions. After 10 years of writing the strip he felt it was time to retire it at its peak. Later he explains he retired his work and didn’t sell it cause he didn’t want Calvin and Hobbes to coast into half hearted repetition. Probably one of the wisest yet rarest practices we see in entertainment today.
While it is indeed noble, you have to understand that not everyon can get that kind of success from inherent talent and skill. I'm not trying to downplay Mr. Watterson, I just feel its relevant to point out one can be just as successful by selling the license to their work. I mean, it did work out for Tom Clancy for one.
@@TheNapster153Tom had some dubs and some Ls in the representation of his works though. The earliest movies may have been profitable but I’m not sure they’re quite as good as some of Primes attempts. And vice versa. But absolutely, what an artist chooses to do with their intellectual property is their choice and sometimes selling it or giving it to others is the best choice. Like how when things enter the public domain we see thousands of different interactions of classic figures, and some of them become just as unique and cherished as the source
@@TheNapster153 It's more likely that he can already smell the rotten core of rooster teeth animations start spilling out which is as the original commenter said "very wise". Hence, why he keep refusing their offers to sell the license. Saying that it is noble is imo a bit of an understatement
Caboose is a great example of how good rvb was. He was so annoying, but in a way that made me feel like i was one of the Reds and Blues. Every time caboose said something dumb i groaned along with all the characters. It was great like that.
And that is the brilliant part, he wasn’t just some dumbass. He was the Harvard graduate in engineering who was born on the moon, could lift more than Agent Texas, had brain damaged from his helmet’s oxygen supply issue, and was well-meaning to the end. I loved him as a character.
@@incognitopotato3516 When they visit a museum, he gets in with a student discount and the front desk worker comments on him being a fellow Harvard graduate. When asked he mentions that Yale was his backup.
Thank God I only got hand me down consoles cuz I'm only 16 so I dont feel the age but do feel like an outcast. I grew up with the "newer" episodes. Halo ce was the shit and halo 2 was better
Just to point out a slight nuance: 10:27 In Season 12, when animation was re-introduced after Season 11's attempt to try a classic Blood Gulch feel with no animation, Monty was still alive but was primarily working on RWBY. He passed away between the release of Season 12 and 13. I know because I was brought on, at first, to provide all of Season 12's animation while Monty was busy. I got to know him a little in that time, and he was such a great person. We did end up bringing back a former animator to do S12's fight scenes because I had never animated fights and was not doing them any justice and wouldn't have gotten them done in time.
Thanks for the info and thanks for helping the series end with heart before it became what it was. I’m sure it’s not easy doing the job you guys do and it sucks when something goes downhill despite you doing what your supposed to do. Hope your doing something good now.
If it means anything, while we get upset as fans over watching something, we love hit the fan.. most of us don't blame the people doing animation, sound, etc first. We always look at the company and wonder how did the execs fk it up. Only a few people doing the work ever killed a project (think Ren and Stimpy art director, he was known to make many people dread doing their job with his mere presence... or creeps like Dan Schneider, though he was a proper director, and basically a top brass on set .. I just wanted to mention the feet fiend, tbh.) Me personally, I say thanks for at least trying. You seem to know your limitations and without me doing more research, I'll take you at your word on these things. So thanks for the memories, and have a great one.
Honestly yeah, the animation doesn't stack up to Monty, but it's unfair to compare your work to his, especially considering you had never done animated fights; and, even if you did have experience, Monty's work was really a step above the average animator. You and the other animator brought your own style to the show and it came out pretty good. I remember almost ten years ago when Season 12's trailer dropped, I was so damn hyped to see animation returning (In fact, my actual comment on the trailer said they were looking "Sharper and better than ever!"). Actually watching the season, I always knew the animation wasn't quite as fluid as the past seasons, but I never once thought it was bad. Hope you're doing well these days.
Stop lying Jesus Christ. The information of Monty’s passing was widely known at the time. It was big news. You’re here pretending that you knew him personally on this video trying to get attention because you’d assume that people now wouldn’t know much about it. I work in the animation industry. You’re saying that you were brought on to animate but you couldn’t sit hey basically brought someone else to do the job… First of all, you’d would have been fired. Can’t animate? What are you even doing there, you would bet even get hired because you’d have to take a fucking TEST. Rooster teeth wasn’t even a major company like “Hollywood” why the hell would the waste a whole salary?! Lying ass mf.
The biggest and most heart breaking thing for me is RWBY. It was Monty's brainchild, and I don't believe that the direction it went after his passing was even remotely what he had planned. Additionally, he was very vocal about it always being available for free forever, and RT had echoed that sentiment until this year when they announced the newest volume will be exclusive to Crunchy Roll.
@@istoppedcaring6209 season 1 to 3 was great. Now it is so stupid. Fking white became a useless summoning princess when she can literally dance clap a fking knight by herself. Red is just a meat shield that can't do fuck all. So much useless crap
It’s great to see a series that only got bad after season THIRTEEN. I struggle to think of any series that got to that many seasons without being multiple seasons past “bad”.
Well, to be fair, each 'season' is only 2 hours long. That's only 2 episodes of a normal show. So realistically RvB compared to other shows is maybe 3 seasons long? Got bad after 2. Since if we did make it comparable we'd split it into maybe 12 episode seasons, each episode an hour long so the first 'season would be 1-6, great season, then the second season would be 7-13 also great. Then it all went to shit after that. Having a show with 2 great seasons is still good though, i mean there plenty of shows out there that ended after 1 or two seasons that are held up in high regard.
@@Noobie2k7 definitely a reasonable theory, but an episode isn't just ~10 minutes of the season, it is a self contained episode with a start, a middle, and a finish. The amount of actual time is less important than the story within, and it's the story that suffers with later seasons more than anything. I honestly think it's most impressive that they managed to get 7 great seasons with as many episodes as they did! Edit: definitely true about shows held in high regard that were cancelled after 1-2 seasons, Firefly comes to mind immediately, and usually that's because of corporate meddling or simply running out of money.
@@crapcase3985 I can't speak for anyone else, but I stopped watching after season thirteen and I wish I had stopped watching after season six. I just didn't enjoy the show after that. I held out hope, but by the time I quit, I felt it was already more bad than good. I'm not going to claim it sucked and in some regards-such as production-it definitely improved, but there were other issues. I originally enjoyed the more serious tone, but there is a cost. I'm willing to accept silly things like ghost in a fun dumb comedy, but I'm more critical of a more serious story. It felt cheap to kill Alpha-Church just to bring in Epsilon-Church. I hated Carolina. She felt like Tex 2.0 who later repeated Wash's character arc. The more serious the show got, the more pretentious it felt and the more it felt like the creators were buying too much into their own hype. Then again, as they say, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." If people liked those seasons and remember the series fondly overall, good for them. For me though, it's just one of many shows I stuck with too long and now remember as more bad than good on the rare occasions I think of it-such when YT decides to put this video in my recommendations and I click on it out of boredom.
Monty's animation style is so incredible that it still holds up today. Even now, revisiting RWBY Volume 1 & 2 where the average animation was decent, the fight scenes stand out so well. He had such a great understanding of fluidity in motion, his animations were always completely crazy in the best of ways. It's still mind boggling to think most of the animations we know him for nowadays were solo projects.
@@ExelArts thats most seen in how they used to average 1,000,000 in their most popular video series, now those same videos can barely break a 100,000. As the saying goes, they went woke so they went broke (so to speak)
@@ExelArts thats probably why all the original team of lets play is pretty much gone, they either quit or are barely present anymore, really only 2 are left. Most of the founders have either quit, got fired or are no longer talent and work behind the scenes
Man, as a huge fan of both RvB and RWBY, evey time a video brings up Monty it just hurts. The s8 fight between Tex and the Reds & Blue was my introduction to RvB, and it remains one of my favourite videos on the internet. Monty's animation and fight choreography captivated me in a way that I can't really explain. When I found out that the reason RWBY and RvB has declined in animation was that he had passed away, it was hearbreaking. Rest in Peace, Monty, thank you for everything
It’s so cool that halo 3 had tools specifically designed to make machinama easier. A big game developer adding things to game for a niche online fan community is something you just don’t see anymore
They also added the detail of the Warthog tires being labeled “Puma” in reference to RvB. Later in Reach there was a whole secret room near the end of the game you could access in co-op on legendary that payed tribute to a ton of fan stuff like RvB, the Warthog jump video, and so on. Definitely miss the soul of that era, ironically Halo lost it before RvB did.
Monty was lightning in a bottle. I remember listening to the podcast when they announced what happened. An allergic reaction to a minor surgical anesthetic if my memory serves, all around tragedy, especially for his wife and child.
Small correction: Monty's time with RvB didn't end because of his passing. After season 10, he created and directed RWBY, and died during production for season 2.
The first couple seasons are incredible. Being late highschool and early college they hit hard. The sticky grenade on his face at the end of one episode had myself and my friends crying from laughter
RvB was so successful that it’s main continuity about AI research became partial cannon in Halo. Both Bungie and 343 loved to include RvB in their games. It’s so sad to see something so great, along with the company, fall so far. Time has really killed mine and many others’ childhoods.
The only thing we have left of the best time for gaming and gaming focused content are the memories of the times. Which is one of the most depressing things of 2021.
The AI stuff in RvB is based off of what was already established in Halo. Almost every concept other than fragmentation of emotions and characteristics of an AI was in Halo before RvB.
this video made me so nostalgic. man i used to LOVE rooster teeth and achievement hunter. would watch every video. and. rvb. it’s really disappointing to see how far it’s fallen. i love this show sooo much it made me cry to remember it again.
God, mentioning Monty Oum was such a bittersweet gut punch, it was a shame that he passed away but it was also beautiful to hear the respects given for his effort on his work in RvB choreography.
Ah. I remember the good old days. Being young, watching people older than me make something fun. Now I'm watching a UA-cam video by someone whose three years younger than me. So, this is what adulthood feels like.
@@th3thatguy631 Do something then. Take a half hour out of your day to learn something. And it doesnt have to be every day, if you arent feeling it, thats cool too. But always work towards something. I'm learning game dev while working a dead end security job. But I'm doing something, anything is better than just existing.
@@Fox_Olive well I am passing time till I join the navy but it just feels empty. Like I'm only joining cause I don't know what else to do and I'm hoping it'll guide me a bit, but I'm able to get a relatively comfy job so that's nice
I worked at Gamestop back when they started carrying RvB DVDs and got to go to a conference where RT was. Got a signed CD (which was sadly stolen out of my car shortly after) but got to meet a few of the guys. Very down to earth, they were excited to be there as much as me. I miss those days, honestly, RvB was a big part of my life.
I grew up with rooster teeth, hell, they were the first show I ever got hooked on on the internet. I used to mow lawns and listen to the drunk tank podcast. I remember the day Monty died, I got one of his quotes tattooed on my ribs. They used to be a community, their community site was a way to interact with people with similar interests from around the world. They were some of the first social media to exist. It’s depressing to see what they have fallen to over the years but I will always be so thankful for their part in my life. If you haven’t seen red vs blue all I have to say is, “Hey, have you ever wondered why we are here?”
Started listening to the old drunk tank podcasts again only to find out they removed the first 100 off youtube and then like another 60. Use the like the podcast but stopped liking it years ago.
OG fan as well, found RVB around 2004ish probably, all snowballed from there watching the rest of RT, drunk tank, shorts and all. Monty was a huge inspiration for me growing up, I was never particularly talented in any way doing art but Monty was able to make a Webseries of all things look like that. I’m finally on the right track with where I wanna go with art, it’s a shame I was never able to meet Monty man. He gave me hope. Rest In Peace brother.
I remember one day i saw a tweet/blog/comment made by one of the producers of RvB: Zero that said "we didn't make the show for the fans we made it for us and what we like and what we wanted to do" and that gave me all the answers i needed about that season
Which like, cool, but don't be a fucking whiny brat when everyone hates your shit. It's like a toddler running third shift at McDonald's and putting ketchup in the ice cream. I'm glad you like it, but the customers are getting pissed.
@@redrover1172 but burnie made it specifically for the people who wanted to watch it. they will undoubtedly do what they want but the tweet reeks of contempt and miscommunication.
monty had very good understanding of all the animation principles and incorporated them expertly. The series "ending" scene with churches speech was very impactful.
Not enough people recognize how great the Chorus Trilogy was. It really was a great way to end the series, finally concluding all the character development that needed to happen without losing too much classic RvB charm. Honestly, the humor isn't as great as past seasons and the animation just is not good again until season 13; however, the writing and plot were phenomenal, and the maturity of those elements really matched the maturity of the characters themselves. It all culminated in the finale, which I will admit made me cry the first time watching through. Church's speech at the end was the PERFECT way to end such a beautifully crafted series, and the show absolutely should have ended there
Though my one critique of it is that the end credits for season 13 is not that good compare to Season 10's end credits. The latter felt like it was the end of RVB
@@DylanoRevs RT also completely screwed over the season 13 end credits in their two part reuploads by replacing it with their "hEy GuYS mAkE SurE To LiKe AnD Sub!"
Same here, I was blubbering like a baby. I hasn't even know there was more to the show. Glad in one way, sad in another. Either way. I hope you have a great one, whoever is reading this.
Red vs Blue for me ended at season 13, season 14 was fun and provided some nee details to previous lore, and honestly I would've been fine seeing more of these spinoffs, watching Locust's and Felix's animated episodes were fun and provided us more background on the characters. When season 15 came out I tries to get into it but just couldn't, felt forced just to do a new season. The true end for me is season 13.
Yeah, I get what you mean, but for me I was fine for season 15, it felt like an epologue movie, where you get to see the "where are they now?" answers and have one last plot that finally ties the rest of the loose ends of the Reds and Blues. But all in all, thats my opinion
I personally see season 15 as much needed closure, just wish it would’ve ended after they killed or integrated the blues and reds into their group, would’ve added so much extra story to the world of rvb, but season 14 would’ve been the perfect season to end on.
I haven't seen the last couple of seasons yet (or however many there are now since they started getting back to the main story again). I started watching the one with the journalist and such. I think I was maybe reasonably enjoying it, but I still need to come back to it and see the rest. Honestly, I don't know if it's that I entered my high school years at this point and grew up somewhat, or if I just had prophetic eyes, but the first signs of any decline to me were actually seasons 9 and 10. From what I recall, it felt like neither the present nor the prequel's story (especially the prequel's story, being the more narratively important and action-packed one) was getting enough screen time to really feel like it was fully done. I remember feeling like I only got small snippets of the freelancer storyline, and that the only few-minute run time of each episode was just becoming far too short and underwhelming for me. I think, when you start introducing even bigger plot and detail like that, you gotta start giving more time to the whole thing, otherwise it just feels rushed. And that's how it felt to me: rushed. Plus, from what I recall, I didn't really like the season 10 conclusion. That also felt rushed and underwhelming to me at the time, but I never rewatched it. Then, Seasons 11, 12, and 13 shift to a brand new story, mostly. I kept thinking they were gonna tie this back in to the freelancer plot somehow, because of all the nods to it at points, but it never really happened. That disappointed me too. And I ended up feeling disappointed with every season of the Chorus trilogy, mainly that the story and main threat in it just didn't seem as grand as the whole freelancer arc. Plus, it was all just coming out of nowhere, thrusting you in with no built-up lore like the Blood Gulch Chronicles did with the freelancer storyline. That's my summation for now, mainly from many years ago, having viewed seasons 9-13 fully only once (season 9 possibly more than once), really. I'll admit: seasons 9-10 had some really cool action scenes. I have rewatched some of those at times. Again, for the freelancer prequel stuff, it was more about not having enough time given and perhaps pacing. Seasons 11-13 felt more like a shot in the dark to another direction just for the sake of continuing the series. I guess it makes sense narratively, somewhat, that they could move on from the freelancer stuff, but it just didn't seem that interesting with the narrower scope of it all. You either continue with the freelancer angle that started it all, perhaps expanding on the alien aspect (from the Blood Gulch Chronicles) along with it, or you build up a threat even grander to top it off, but the show did neither at this point. It's amazing to me that some people only started thinking the show was faltering after the Chorus trilogy. For me, by the time season 11 had ended, I had definitely been less fond of the series than I once was. To me, it was kind of obvious that Red vs Blue was not like it once was already, but for some people, they're just catching up to that idea now, I guess. I still enjoy some of the content, and I'll eventually get back to whatever I've missed so far, but it doesn't have that gravitas like it once did for me.
I would have loved to see more stories of Locust and Felix done in the style of their S14 episode. Their first job, how they got the armor and so on. So much potential. Would have been a better season than Zero and that atrocity that is Family Shatters
I remember watching the whole series on Netflix, and the fight scenes were awesome, and the writing was amazing. The fact I can go back to seasons 1-13 and still enjoy them shows how well made they are.
I lost interest in the series when they decided to focus less on characters(or really, make terrible character arcs) and more on plots instead. I honestly think it’s why people love S6-13 and why many people consider one out of those three arcs to be the best in RvB. They always managed to create an intriguing plot that was driven by excellent motivation and good character conflicts. Conflicts only existed because some characters didn’t see eye to eye with each other, not because of some god or terroist group forcing them to fight. I think it says something about RvBs emotional core when the most memorable and impactful moments were not it’s fight scenes or character deaths or arc tie ups, but characters getting the closure by simply talking.
Unsurprisingly, the best thing about red vs blue was, well, the red versus blue. That’s probably also why I got cheery each time the main cast went back to their roots and did some standing around shenanigans in whatever team-segregated bases they set up.
@@sumbuddy4088 exactly. The new series just don't seem to grasp the core of the RvB cast which is, their a group of unlikely friends who care, not a bunch of idiots. Its why I only liked a few parts of S15 and stopped after that. S15 focused too much on the villain and other characters without taking the time to include and make sure to give depth to the RvB cast.
Season 1 to 5 is peak for me. I'd come home from middle school in the early-mid 2000s and just laugh my ass off for hours, rewatching over and over. My dad would come into the room one day, as Tex says, "Oh great, you broke my voice filter. You c**k-biting f***tar*s".
@@broden4838 Seasons 11 through 13 were a really good arc and unlike 10 they didn't set the Reds and Blues up for new adventures. They set them up for a story we'd never see, one where we'd just hsve to hsve faith. That's why Season 15 had to pretend that scene never happened to begin with
19:21 Okay, here's actually something funny about that: Remember 9 and 10? The Freelancers actually do bob their heads slightly on occasion. For reference, go rewatch the scene in 9 with Wash and North right before the 3 on 1 fight with Tex. We don't really notice it too much because it was actually integrated into their normal movements.
Compared with their attempts in Zero. I mean ... I watched half of Zero before I couldn't stomach it anymore and the head bobbing seemed smoother which gave away that it had been animated in, rather than machinima'd.
For me, Chorus was the definitive end of the story of these lovable space idiots. The first 6 seasons did a lot of world building, and then from Revelation onwards with the late great Monty Oum at the helm, some of the best fight choreography I've ever seen was on full display with a fantastic story which then became the Freelancer Saga (my personal favourite out of the lot) and the the equally amazing Chorus Trilogy. It galls me Burnie and Joel are gone now from the company, effectively killing any hope for Church and Caboose forever from coming back. I have those amazing memories though from that awesome period and they'll never be taken from me.
@@schleepyairman6670 he's been gone for a while bud not sure exactly when he left but I think it was just before or during the mass exodus from the company.
@@schleepyairman6670 yeah it sucks hard to be fair bud :(. The Rooster Teeth I discovered as a teen is long long gone unfortunately. And back then, it felt like a proper community and that the people there weren't out of reach and easy to communicate with. They're in a different universe now today sadly but at least there's the memories to look back on.
Shit dude, this is everything I have thought and more. My favorite season is 6. It takes all of our characters that we know and love and flips it on its head. The dialogue between the counselor and the chairman is riveting and it has a healthy mix of humor and dark scenes. I get chills every time I hear Tex's crash. I HATED THAT WE GOT NO CALL BACKS TO HOW THEY ESCAPED IN SEASON 14. I felt like RVB had a missed opportunity to show an amazing show opener. Thanks for making this video. I watch/listen to Red vs Blue all the time and this just validates my feelings on the show.
"[The animation] holds up well even today, especially compared to the new seasons." is a SCATHING and underrated condemnation of the new stuff. Basically saying Monty's work is at least a decade ahead of its time, and reflexively, new RvB looks like cow plops compared to something made a decade ago. There was so much flavor and spice in that one throwaway line.
I will admit, the animation looked pretty damn good, but it felt odd. Its sudden inclusion was quite jarring, and as a result, the show lost a lot of its identity (at least, the identity that I was familiar with). It started to introduce way too many characters that I didn’t care about around that time (most of the freelancers, aside from Maine, Washington, and I guess Carolina, even though she wasn’t very likable and more just essential to the plot). But I know most fans don’t agree with me, because choreographed fight scenes are what they think is at the core of RvB (while I , on the other hand, believe the machinima aspect is its core).
@@SmoothTurtle840 I respectfully disagree. I get where you’re coming from, but after 8 seasons it was the only logical next step. The fact that they kept the machinima side as the majority of the show, and the animations were sooo well done, makes me think that was RvB hitting its stride. The show flowed perfectly until… recently. Imo the Recollection and Freelancer sagas were equally incredible and I followed since season 3.
@@nicheman4455 while he was extremely talented it's not like what he did was impossible to recreate. They didn't even copy his style right after his death. Momentum was the key to all his fight scenes. Noone was flying and changed directions in the air. Every time you saw a character speeding through the air was because they were propelled by some sort of force.
Yo. They just retconned seasons 14-18. And are going back to the end of corvus. Written by burnie again. This may be a return to form. For the final season
@@BillyBurnsfield yeah they announced it shortly before I made this comment. I forgot what it's called. Just look up red vs blue final season trailer. All those seasons are now simulations church was running.
After recently binging the entire series from S1 to S14. I can indefinitely agree S13 is where it should have stopped, Even as someone only watching it now I can agree with the impact and quality of it in it's purer form. Excellent video reviewing it, short, concise, honest and unrestrained.
I still recommend watching Season 14 for the fact it's just one big bonus features season, and introduced some pretty funny characters and moments for the still technically canon episodes.
Like the backstory of how church got a biological body, which also tied up the whole situation with private Jimmy and beating people to death with their own skulls.
If there is one set of episodes from that season that I absolute hate, it's the Triplets episodes. Project Freelancer had always been portrayed as this black ops group that was one of many potential magic bullets to win the war. These soldiers were supposed to be some of humanity's best and in the context of Halo's lore, these would've been soldiers who didn't get dragged into the Spartan III program. And then...the Triplets completely shit on this perception, these were people that were less competent than some of the Sim Troopers that we saw over the course of the series.
Season 15 was also alright. It wasn't good, but it wasn't that bad either. It definitely went downhill after Season 13, though. Season 16 was bad. Zero had zero RvB in it.
Yeah, I'm only a couple years older than this guy and it's totally beyond me how he's pretty down on the early seasons but Chorus is his favourite? Seasons 1-5 were way better than Chorus, which itself if good but not great. But on the whole he seems to get it.
That's the thing, it *was* jank. The 2000s was the embodiment of things being jank in a way that was cool. Newgrounds games, machinimas, YTPs, hell even the AMVs and GMVs that were way more popular then than they are now. It was back when the internet as we know it today was still getting established and people just kind of did whatever the hell they felt like doing. Back before every social media platform was catered exclusively toward pushing political agendas, and everyone's creativity had to fall within the confines of what advertisers are comfortable with.
@@damir_van_kalaz i miss those days i remember seeing some really good AMVs there, some really good fan fiction videos all the fake halo 4 trailers, some music videos where the CGI was great at the time, but looking back now are pretty dated. Seeing so many old memes be created like leroy jenkins. man i miss those days
@@enviousgaming3250 Same here. Those were good times. Back then you could even find an entire anime series uploaded on youtube in glorious 360p, compared to now where people get copyright strikes just for using a 5 second clip for review/commentary purposes.
“Hey people are saying we are creatively bankrupt.” “Yeah, what completely new never before concept can be used” “You ever seen doctor who” “Yeah” “What if we did that bad”
I felt that S13 had could’ve had the best send-off. Epsilon, the last living this connected to the Alpha and the Director, dies and finally giving them a final death. The Reds and Blues have experienced so much and have been transformed from live training dummies to actual war heroes, able to inspire others as well as maturing themselves. Carolina and Wash, both who’ve lost everyone and everything find a new place to belong with the reds and blues. Hell I would’ve been fine with an epilogue episode where it shows them just retiring like how they did in S15, something like Grif and Simmons saying the iconic first lines, putting in some joke in there, and the camera pans over showing everyone just living their lives without being worried of being shot at, killed, or being dragged into another misadventure while the classic RvB intro plays in the background.
Church was the heart of the series for me. The less he was involved, the less I cared. I think I haven't seen anything since 13. I'm rewatching it all now though, and loving it. The first few seasons are my favorite. The comedy was top notch.
My first serious boyfriend and I used to wait patiently every week for the new episodes to drop on my old crappy Dell computer with AOL dial up. During that time period, Burnie Burns was at a convention and I ended up going and surprising my boyfriend for our anniversary that year with an autographed Rooster Teeth mousepad. Sad to see the state of Rooster Teeth today, but as you said, all good things must come to an end.
Seasons 1-5 = Perfection Seasons 6-7 = Perfect sequel Seasons 8-9 = Badass Spin-Off Seasons 10-13 (Also my personal favorite arc) = Still pretty damn good Season 14 - Wtf is this Season 15 - It’s decent Season 16 - FUCK GO BACK Season 17 - Okay, it’s ending on a decent season, now we can move on RvB Zero - ….. No words …..
Completely agree with you. 15 had a good concept and when you sum it up, it actually sounds like a good season (the execution was a bit off but still enjoyable), 16 was horrible and we move on from it, and 17 gets a lot of shit but when you consider that it had to fucking scrape the shit 16 left behind, 17 is a really good season too, taking the concepts that 16 left it with and focusing it down to make a better setting. Then Zero came along and everyone hated it
i agree with everything u said besides season 14 I think that was a pretty good spin off I just think that it shouldn't be called a season it should be like a mini series or a spin off series or smth
Im gonna be real, Atlus and the last 3 or so episodes of Season 16 are the only things that are keeping me from vehemently hating that season. Haven't watched Zero yet and I'm only tempted to do so out of morbid curiosity.
" Most of them were 16 year olds in their rooms making what they want. " You didn't have to call out Lyle McDouchebag / Rath like that, dude. Dang. Lol.
Thank you for making this, I was sad to see the ending because I don't ever feel that I get the closure of an interpreted ending as one that's made by the writers, but I really am glad that it ended as amazing as it did
'97 Represent. I remember stumbling across RvB as a kid, some way, some how, back in 05/06. Browsing Internet Explorer 6 on the family PC running Windows XP Professional. Looking back, those days could be described as the "Wild West" of the online era, back when broadband internet was in its infancy. To be completely honest, I have no idea how I even discovered RvB, but I instantly became hooked and binged the whole series up to the latest episode at the time, which was during season 4 or season 5. Personally, I think RT was at their prime from about 2008 to 2015, give or take a year or two. The main bulk of their best content was definitely produced in that specific time frame. I saw the imminent decline some years ago, and ever since I simply drifted away from RvB and RT altogether. They are going the way of Machinima (the company) and I would be very surprised indeed if they are still around in another 5+ years.
DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE MUSIC. Trocadero made all of the classic songs. And Jeff Williams made great stuff. As well as bits for RWBY that bled into RvB like "caffeine"
@@Cloudylitsheep Monty Oum's show, but when he died, his "friends" Miles and Kerry took over and desecrated it. Now that Rooster Teeth is about to go out of business, people want to take revenge on both of them and their fans, along with a whack-job writer who came along 2 years ago
Legitimately pains my heart and is always a big kick to the balls whenever I am reminded of what Roosterteeth is nowadays, spent nearly half my life watching them. The views they're getting now is just tragic to look at
I finally had to stop watching their new stuff recently. It makes me sad to say, but they just no longer feel authentic or funny to me. They feel like co workers now rather than friends. I still listen to red web, but that's it.
I remember sitting on my living room floor watching this show being about 12 or so and my mom saying that I shouldn't be watching it bc it was not appropriate. I finally found all the seasons and its feels so good to watch the seasons again
The main problem is that RoosterTeeth really doesn't want to give up on their only cash cows. RvB and RWBY have made them tons of money; yet both have been in steady decline over the years. They also haven't been able to recreate the success of either. They had some short term success with Camp Camp and XRay and Vav; yet neither of those shows had a long shelf life. Gen:lock wasn't the breakout success story that they were hoping for and a lot of their other new content has been falling flat. Even Achievement Hunter; their offshoot gaming company; has declined in value. The Minecraft episodes really are not that great any more; with them trying different mods just to try and spice it up. Their GTA Online episodes have literally just become them doing the same game types over and over again and hoping that it is enough. Even their TTT content has begun to degrade; with everyone really just going through the motions.
Never found the writing in RWBY to be that great honestly. 1-3 are just disappointments cause the build up is there but don't execute it right or at all. 4-8 are just bad and just tries to please hardcore shippers
@@raging_gundam Yeah. The story itself was a bit clunky 1-3; yet the action scenes and the music were top notch. Yet it seemed that they were starting to get the story hammered out and improved come season 4. Then Monty passed and the show ended up getting worse each season.
Yeah man... fuck you've summed how I've felt. I've been with them since the early days, since the podcast was called Drunk Tank. I slowly lost interest in the main RT Podcast. Slowly stopped watching all of the main RT stuff, just AH stuff. I love Off Topic still, but only for Michael, Gave, Jack and Jeremy. But the actual content of the channel is not watcheable anymore... Minecraft is dead (Been watching since EP1) GTA is dead, (Watched all of everything from the days of GTA 4 vids)... TTT was the best of the new stuff, at first I wasn't into it, but it gave me too many good laughs, holy shit it was hilarious while they learned it. Then it started getting stale again... Then Ryan happened... Shit man... I just stepped away. I refuse to believe that noone else there knew. When the purge was happening people started making compilations of all the suspicious shit that Ryan said in videos, all of the stuff that we laugh about and said "Ah that's just Mad King Ryan being dark edgy and funny" I love them all too much to think the worst of them, but it's happened once now, it's hard to be blindly naïve. I understand why Burnie stepped away now. He created something beautiful, but it's self destructing and he's got his family's financial security to think of, and too much bad shit starts happening when you grow this large, ESPECIALLY in the gaming community. Look at Blizzard. Fuck I remember simpler times. When it was just the guys sitting around a table drunk talking shit. When it was just a bunch of guys in a box canyon in the middle of nowhere. When it was just a bunch of guys fucking around in Minecraft. When it was just a bunch of guys blowing shit up in GTA 4. When it was just a bunch of kids with cool weapons in a hogwarts-like school. When it was just a collection of hilarious fails and Halo clips sent from the community. When it was just about the new games around the corner, and not box openings for the millionth time. When it was just a bunch of guys trying to beat Ray at literally anything. Burnie was smart, but I feel bad for Geoff because he's or ride or die kind of motherfucker, and he'll ride this one out to the end... For better or worse. Love you Geoff, Michael, Gav, Jack, Jeremy, and Fredo. (In that order. =D ) A distant high five for Gus. A hug for Burnie. A hug for Joel. A shitty pun for Barb. RIP Monty. And Ryan... kindly find a bridge.
I agree. The Chorus trilogy is my favorite RvB saga as it brought everything full circle and should’ve been where the story ended. Season 14 is okay as a bonus season, but it was all downhill from there.
I’m still amazed at how well they were able to thread the writing of such complex plots to still be mostly coherent and entertaining back then. It’s a tragedy how far it has fallen
I can't remember which season this was but the part where Church basically accepts his fate as an AI and gives that incredible monologue about memories and love is where the show should have ended. It capped off the show beautifully and legit made me cry. Then it kept going and going and going and going and any value it had disappeared completely.
Season 8 could have been a perfect end point tbh. The only thing I look forward to in rooster teeth’s future is them shutting down. I don’t know how tf they’re still kicking.
@@Freaky1347 Church (and to a lesser extent Burnie Burns) was the emotional throughline of RvB and the bridge between its silliness and its seriousness. As soon as he left, the show lost its soul just like RT did. Gus Sorola literally made a joke about how they'll continue to do anything as long as it's successful regardless of artistic integrity, and that's proven to be so painfully true.
That's where I quit watching, and I'm glad I did. I personally didn't care for the Freelancers story, so to hear that was a major focus going from there makes me glad I bowed out when I did.
The worst part about my hatred for rooster teeth is that I used to love them. it is no wonder Burnie left though, he probably wanted to be remembered for how he ran the company instead of sticking around and being blamed for all the current shit.
This reminds me of when i watched the very first animated sequence of Wash getting hit by the car. My jaw was open for the rest of the episode, and i was literally out of my chair in sheer excitement. I also agree with the Chorus ark being good, it definatly had an awesome, almost bitter-sweet, ending. After that i was just dissapointed
Im really glad you payed respect to monty, not everyone relizes how influencial he was. Honestly one of the best story tellers of all time, im so sad hes gone, he had so much heart and soul
You literally have my exact take on RVB with chorus being your favorite arc and hating the new seasons. The Chorus arc ending is one of my favorite endings of all time, and I still think about it every now and then. The ending was so good that I decided that it would be the ending of me watching RVB regardless of the quality of the later seasons. And after watching this, I am EXTREMELY happy I left it where I did
I remember hearing from someone that they thought Zero's characters had as much depth as porn characters. That quote is gonna be the thing I say when I die.
It all started falling apart for me when Ray left Achievement Hunter. I used to watch those six guys, (Gavin, Michael, Ray, Ryan, Jack, and Geoff) play games for hours a day. But just like the old saying. Don't be upset that it's over, be thankful that it happened. Great video my dude!
Jeez does that ring true to me, I always liked Ray the most and I do believe him leaving was a big sign of a downfall, both for me and for achievement hunter moving forward
@@daviddunn4727 I think it was around 2016 where I remember Michael openly saying they only make videos that gets views. Even if there's a ton of vocal support for a video if it didn't break a certain number of views they wouldn't continue it. I honestly think they started getting jaded doing the same shit over and over again just for views and that's what turned the company toxic
Losing Monty was genuinely the loss of someone special in all of humanity. I still believe that he would've gone on to be a huge name without rooster teeth
I was a kid when this series started. I'm not going to lie, I had the BIGGEST crush on church. The cringe as I type this hurts. Then they introduced the freelancers and I saw FACES. Middle school was such a time.
RT recently released a teaser video for a new season of Red vs. Blue, showing that everything that happened after season 13 was nothing more than a simulation that Epsilon Church created between the ending of Season 13 and the credits. its fucking insane how far they've gone and how they are now trying to retcon it.
With the way things are going at Rooster Teeth, they might plop out at most one more season of this alongside the 9th volume of RWBY. And when both inevitably fail, that should be the end of it. Rooster Teeth's corporate overlords announced they're on the chopping block now, so at least the nightmare husk that Red Vs Blue and Rooster Teeth have become are almost over with.
Since we know Rooster Teeth is on the chopping block. I know their true believes will more than likely attack 30 Hudson Yards (Warner Media's HQ) in retaliation. But hey, their fans will become the hunted and we will be the hunters
@@bigcountry8652 They're running out of places to go and we know how dangerous they are, so I feel like "Now's our chance to end this once and for all"
@@broden4838 what the fuck does this even mean? like you act as if rooster teeth is some weird shadow organization. its just a failing (sadly) media company
I think season 14 is still justified to be watched, as the origin stories of the Reds and Blues being recruited by Flowers is really funny to watch, as well as the origin stories of Locus and Felix being really unique animation with good storytelling that reveals how they were partners before the war. Essentially what I’m saying is that while the story of RvB ended with Season 13, the series as a whole ended with Season 14. I like to include season 14 whenever I watch RvB again, dispersed throughout the series when appropriate for the story. I’ll share my viewing order for anyone interested: RVB viewing order: Season 1 Season 14 episodes 6-7 Season 2 Season 3 Season 4 Out of Mind Season 5 Season 14 episode 16 Recovery One Season 14 episodes 19, 12, and 14 Season 6 Trailer Season 6 Relocated Season 7 trailer Season 7 Season 8 Season 14 episode 17 Season 14 episode 1 Where There's A Will, There's a Wall MIA Season 9 Trailer Season 9 Season 10 Season 14 Episodes 2-4, 21-22 Season 11 Teaser Trailer Season 11 Season 12 trailer Season 12 Season 14 episodes 9-11 Season 13 trailer Season 13 Season 14 episode 15
@@justthatoneguy64 Hello! I’m the creator of the original list. Thank you for making a playlist and sharing it in this thread, and honestly, I’m flattered that someone made a public playlist based on my watch order. I want to let you know I made an edit in the order as a clarification, as I’ve realized it has led to some confusion. The edit I made regards the Season 11 trailer. What I meant by that is the Teaser Trailer, with Smosh as a voice actor. Link: ua-cam.com/video/4P-L_k_6Ous/v-deo.html I have edited the list to specify teaser trailer. I thought you’d like to know given the effort you put into the playlist based on my watch order, and that you would like to make the necessary change as well. Thank you again! And please, don’t be afraid to share your playlist with others 👍.
The scene comparison you made for Tuckers voice reminded me of when H20 Delirious tried to improve his mic but everyone agreed that he should just stick with the crappy one.
Honestly Roosterteeth has always been cringey. and as soon as people who cared about making anything good left, the buffer that kept things watchable was gone.
@@galacticquasaur2956 I agree. You have rich egotistical geeks parading around flashing their odd and aloof personalities, only being checked by older and more reserved staff who have distanced or left the corporation that used to be male friends in a bedroom.
To be fair, it was entertaining cringe which is what people liked. However, when pretty much every founder and writer left, the entertaining part was gone and only cringe remained.
It was endearing cringe, honest cringe. It was made by people who wanted to have fun and create something for the sake of doing it, it wasn't made by this corporate entity trying to be professional. That's what made early UA-cam videos special, even if they sucked
I own the first ten seasons on blu-ray. I still go back and rewatch them every now and again from start to finish. It's still so good. Makes it easy to forget everything else. I'm glad the show existed before everything with RT went the way it did.
Season 1 - 10, RT Shorts, Audio only Drunk Tank, Strangerhood, the small office with the blue wall picture, the RT Comics. All that was my late teens/early 20's. All that is long over. I miss the intermate community.
I will say this much about season 17 I actually really enjoyed the Washington scenes seeing him go through his life and trying to piece things together before ultimately having to make a sacrifice worse then death this actually was the first time I cried for a fictional character before. I think this touched home with me due to the fact I truly value my mind as I put a lot of time and effort into trying to build it up and the thought of not only losing it but having to willingly give it up to protect something else I love while knowing I'll live but never the same again is terrifying to me.
I gotta say, the freelancer storyline was definitely my favorite storyline. However, Chorus had my favorite villain. Felix just had that charisma that felt so great. And church’s speech at the end was beautiful. But yeah season 15 was certainly just a bloodsuck of the originality, heart, and character. RvB: Zero felt like how it was titled. How much RvB is in here? Zero.
I was a late bloomer when it came to my introduction to Red VS Blue and even to Rooster Teeth as a whole. 2015, the year my Singapore Naturalized friend introduced me to the shows. I still remember when the S13 had just ended, the hype new RWBY episodes brought me and my friend, the sad end to Monty’s life, etc.
Man, I discovered redvsblue close to 20 years ago. Insane. It's been 19 years. It was such a part of my teenage years, there are quotes and scenes that flash into my mind all the time when it's relevant.
Surprisingly enough, my first introduction to red vs blue was in an Oscar’s parody dvd that actually had some really funny jokes and screens with Simmons getting locked out or caboose just talking on and on to some random person and literally just A bomb being a nominee. It was cool but it made me want to watch the rest.
Season 14 is the last "acceptable quality" season, and even then, that's mostly because it's buoyed by being an anthology season, just kind of dipping in and out of different parts of the universe. The Club-Call-Consequences three-episode arc might be the best of the series for me. Something about the Borderlands cell-shaded art style mixed with how unique of a core concept it was really made it stand out to me. EDIT: And, ah, hell, I liked Season 15 up until they re-introduced the original gang. If it was just focused on Vanessa and whatever the cameraman's name was, it still wouldn't have been great, but if they had purely focused on her I think it could have gotten at least decent. Maybe she'd have gotten an actual arc.
I remember first seeing animation appear and I was like "Holy shit! Did they get Monty?!" That is how iconic his work was for for anybody would really enjoyed Haloid and Dead Fantasy. You could recognize it.
Anyone seeing this video now after seeing the trailer for the final season? Seeing them retcon the hell out of s14 to 19 and seeing Burnie and Matt's name and thinking thank God and please make this end well?
This came out sooner than I thought it would! Good job! Overall, a lot of the machinima community, or rather what's left of it see it more or less the same way with the exception of some die-hards and newer fans since that's the only way I can imagine they're retaining their relevance as Halo continues to evolve as a franchise. I think you eloquently encapsulated the main points of what made RvB what it was and where it lost it. I'm still in the process of writing my video on RvB and the community as a whole, but for what it is, you hit the nail on this one Skipper. Shame that we eventually grow to loathe the things we loved.
On the topic of Roosterteeth changing, I remember like 5 or 6 years ago watching their RT recaps and their random shorts, and I stopped because so many of the new people were so obnoxious. You could tell they were desparate to replicate the rise to fame and legendary status the original RvB cast has in the gaming community to this day. It's honestly sad to watch these people be so pathetic.
Seems to happen to a lot of internet content based companies. Founded by talented people with good intentions, but then as they leave, new and less talented people attempt to fill the hole. Those new people then seem to act like they deserve to be treated with the same respect as their predecessors for simply being there, despite having not actually earned it from the audience. Not to mention the fact that once companies like this reach a certain size, it seems inevitable that they get preachy and start virtue signalling. Original Red vs. Blue was great because it was rough around the edges, made by people who care, and didn't apologise for what it was. Animations got better after season 5 but the original core was still there. Then the original people started to move on or have lesser roles, and the true passion disappeared.
To be honest, the whole conflict with Washington in 14-16 was actually very compelling, at least in my eyes, and went a long way toward redeeming those seasons.
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Season 13 is definitely my favourite, churchs death broke me
Also note the fact that the RvB Series on Netflix only has seasons 1 through 13.
That kind of speaks volumes to me.
Yup
I actually had no idea it was on Netflix
@@KingChiggy same,last I checked they removed all of them
@@Frightknight15 still the case sadly
But they are re-uploading entire seasons to UA-cam so there ya go I guess
The “ain’t that a bitch” speech is quite possibly my favorite ending to a show ever period. Carried so much weight especially because church was my favorite character since the very beginning.
I cried with that ending
Mine was the “I forget you” speech.
The cake headed boy got a birthday cake so huge it crushed him alive, he’s said to still have cake all over him covering his entire face except one eyes with the most despised looking boy that had the same look as when a kid drops his ice cream.
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Naw the ending to season 8 was best. The entire if you're gonna live in a memory make it a good one and going back to the beginning of the series
@@JARG09631 same. I watched the entire series (seasons 1-15 at the time) in the span of a summer and I connected with the characters. I, someone who finds it nearly impossible to cry, teared up and nearly broke down during Church's speech. It just goes to show how much love was put into the the show, even if some argue that it should have ended earlier than 13
I think it's pretty impressive that RvB managed to take so long to go down the gutter. A good chunk of other series could only _dream_ of hitting 13 good seasons.
Yeah it's hard to keep an audience tuned in for a really long time. 13 seasons is big! I big time HBO series fell down around season 9 or 10, but RT managed to keep their audiences happy for a longer duration, and they're not even as popular as HBO.
When you think about it, each season's only 1-2 mainstream show episode long. So only 2 season's worth of episodes, in 2020s
Eh it's not really 13 seasons of TV though, the seasons are only like an hour and half. It's more like 13 good movies. Which is still damn impressive.
I’m gonna say it season 14 was pretty good I loved a lot of the episodes. Especially the ones that take place before blood gulch
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For anyone who doesn’t know, monty made a lot of the fight scenes pretty much on his own at the start. Burnie said monty regularly slept at the office and would actually wait for a nearby coffee shop to open in the morning.
Seriously, Monty was the life blood of the animation studio of RT. His passing set all of their projects back 10 fold. I couldn’t watch RWBYs animation after it lost Monty’s influence. I still go back and watch their tribute video to him. Brings a tear to me eye.
@@MattBailz Honestly same, I goback and watch it every once in a while, and whilst I never met him, there's always that pang of someone who wasn't finished, he left behind so much and it affected everyone at the company so deeply
He did have a friend he often collaborated with though I can't remember his name. He was a skilled animator in his own right. Still, since he was never officially part of the team after Monty died, he was pushed to a sort of advisor role where he was rarely listened to until he was eventually pushed out entirely.
@@javonyounger5107 you mean Shane Newville?
His passion for it paid off as he was really good, but then can't help but feel he was being over-worked.
Bill Watterson(the writer of Calvin and Hobbes) refused offer after offer to sell the copyrights of his work which likely could have made him 10s of millions. After 10 years of writing the strip he felt it was time to retire it at its peak. Later he explains he retired his work and didn’t sell it cause he didn’t want Calvin and Hobbes to coast into half hearted repetition. Probably one of the wisest yet rarest practices we see in entertainment today.
While it is indeed noble, you have to understand that not everyon can get that kind of success from inherent talent and skill. I'm not trying to downplay Mr. Watterson, I just feel its relevant to point out one can be just as successful by selling the license to their work.
I mean, it did work out for Tom Clancy for one.
@@TheNapster153Tom had some dubs and some Ls in the representation of his works though. The earliest movies may have been profitable but I’m not sure they’re quite as good as some of Primes attempts. And vice versa. But absolutely, what an artist chooses to do with their intellectual property is their choice and sometimes selling it or giving it to others is the best choice. Like how when things enter the public domain we see thousands of different interactions of classic figures, and some of them become just as unique and cherished as the source
@@TheNapster153 It's more likely that he can already smell the rotten core of rooster teeth animations start spilling out which is as the original commenter said "very wise". Hence, why he keep refusing their offers to sell the license. Saying that it is noble is imo a bit of an understatement
Caboose is a great example of how good rvb was. He was so annoying, but in a way that made me feel like i was one of the Reds and Blues. Every time caboose said something dumb i groaned along with all the characters. It was great like that.
And that is the brilliant part, he wasn’t just some dumbass. He was the Harvard graduate in engineering who was born on the moon, could lift more than Agent Texas, had brain damaged from his helmet’s oxygen supply issue, and was well-meaning to the end. I loved him as a character.
@@hiddendesire3076 wait caboose was a hardvard grad. I thought he was an idiot savant
@@incognitopotato3516 When they visit a museum, he gets in with a student discount and the front desk worker comments on him being a fellow Harvard graduate. When asked he mentions that Yale was his backup.
i still make comments about caboose when talking about my dnd party, luckily the DM is the only one who knows what im talking about 🤣
@@hiddendesire3076 It's been awhile since I've watched the series, but when does that happen?
Your "Wasn't even one yet" comment just made everyone who spent their childhood playing Halo CE feel their age +10.
haha yup, getting real close to 30 .....
@@morganwardfilm gut punch im almost 31 😥
34 here. I remember downloading the QuickTime videos off the old site.
Thank God I only got hand me down consoles cuz I'm only 16 so I dont feel the age but do feel like an outcast. I grew up with the "newer" episodes. Halo ce was the shit and halo 2 was better
Hits like a truck.
Just to point out a slight nuance: 10:27
In Season 12, when animation was re-introduced after Season 11's attempt to try a classic Blood Gulch feel with no animation, Monty was still alive but was primarily working on RWBY. He passed away between the release of Season 12 and 13.
I know because I was brought on, at first, to provide all of Season 12's animation while Monty was busy. I got to know him a little in that time, and he was such a great person. We did end up bringing back a former animator to do S12's fight scenes because I had never animated fights and was not doing them any justice and wouldn't have gotten them done in time.
Thanks for the info and thanks for helping the series end with heart before it became what it was. I’m sure it’s not easy doing the job you guys do and it sucks when something goes downhill despite you doing what your supposed to do. Hope your doing something good now.
If it means anything, while we get upset as fans over watching something, we love hit the fan.. most of us don't blame the people doing animation, sound, etc first. We always look at the company and wonder how did the execs fk it up. Only a few people doing the work ever killed a project (think Ren and Stimpy art director, he was known to make many people dread doing their job with his mere presence... or creeps like Dan Schneider, though he was a proper director, and basically a top brass on set .. I just wanted to mention the feet fiend, tbh.) Me personally, I say thanks for at least trying. You seem to know your limitations and without me doing more research, I'll take you at your word on these things. So thanks for the memories, and have a great one.
Honestly yeah, the animation doesn't stack up to Monty, but it's unfair to compare your work to his, especially considering you had never done animated fights; and, even if you did have experience, Monty's work was really a step above the average animator.
You and the other animator brought your own style to the show and it came out pretty good. I remember almost ten years ago when Season 12's trailer dropped, I was so damn hyped to see animation returning (In fact, my actual comment on the trailer said they were looking "Sharper and better than ever!"). Actually watching the season, I always knew the animation wasn't quite as fluid as the past seasons, but I never once thought it was bad.
Hope you're doing well these days.
Season 12 and 13 are some of my favorites storywise and animation
Stop lying Jesus Christ.
The information of Monty’s passing was widely known at the time. It was big news.
You’re here pretending that you knew him personally on this video trying to get attention because you’d assume that people now wouldn’t know much about it.
I work in the animation industry. You’re saying that you were brought on to animate but you couldn’t sit hey basically brought someone else to do the job…
First of all, you’d would have been fired. Can’t animate? What are you even doing there, you would bet even get hired because you’d have to take a fucking TEST.
Rooster teeth wasn’t even a major company like “Hollywood” why the hell would the waste a whole salary?! Lying ass mf.
The biggest and most heart breaking thing for me is RWBY. It was Monty's brainchild, and I don't believe that the direction it went after his passing was even remotely what he had planned. Additionally, he was very vocal about it always being available for free forever, and RT had echoed that sentiment until this year when they announced the newest volume will be exclusive to Crunchy Roll.
not that anyone would want to see it
@@istoppedcaring6209 season 1 to 3 was great. Now it is so stupid. Fking white became a useless summoning princess when she can literally dance clap a fking knight by herself. Red is just a meat shield that can't do fuck all. So much useless crap
Hell Burnie was probably the only one that might have been able to save the writing for RWBY post Vol 3...
RWBY had so much potential and they drove it into the ground with shipping and poor writing
This video hit home but it's a welcome pain. RvB just won't be the same without the original guys
Ayyy glad to see one of my favorite GOT you tubers, oh my god ignore the pain, is a RvB fan
I didn't know my favorite GoT UA-camr was a big RvB fan as well.
RedTeamReview: Fun fact: Elijah Wood was the voice of "Sigma" in Season 10
You can thank RT's poor, greedy, management for chasing most of the VO's away...
@@Utonian21 among other things. RT is honestly stained with all the recent issues. I haven’t been able to watch their videos for a while
It’s great to see a series that only got bad after season THIRTEEN. I struggle to think of any series that got to that many seasons without being multiple seasons past “bad”.
Well, to be fair, each 'season' is only 2 hours long. That's only 2 episodes of a normal show. So realistically RvB compared to other shows is maybe 3 seasons long? Got bad after 2. Since if we did make it comparable we'd split it into maybe 12 episode seasons, each episode an hour long so the first 'season would be 1-6, great season, then the second season would be 7-13 also great. Then it all went to shit after that.
Having a show with 2 great seasons is still good though, i mean there plenty of shows out there that ended after 1 or two seasons that are held up in high regard.
@@Noobie2k7 definitely a reasonable theory, but an episode isn't just ~10 minutes of the season, it is a self contained episode with a start, a middle, and a finish. The amount of actual time is less important than the story within, and it's the story that suffers with later seasons more than anything.
I honestly think it's most impressive that they managed to get 7 great seasons with as many episodes as they did!
Edit: definitely true about shows held in high regard that were cancelled after 1-2 seasons, Firefly comes to mind immediately, and usually that's because of corporate meddling or simply running out of money.
It got bad before Season 13
@@deferencetodusk examples?
@@crapcase3985 I can't speak for anyone else, but I stopped watching after season thirteen and I wish I had stopped watching after season six. I just didn't enjoy the show after that. I held out hope, but by the time I quit, I felt it was already more bad than good. I'm not going to claim it sucked and in some regards-such as production-it definitely improved, but there were other issues. I originally enjoyed the more serious tone, but there is a cost. I'm willing to accept silly things like ghost in a fun dumb comedy, but I'm more critical of a more serious story. It felt cheap to kill Alpha-Church just to bring in Epsilon-Church. I hated Carolina. She felt like Tex 2.0 who later repeated Wash's character arc. The more serious the show got, the more pretentious it felt and the more it felt like the creators were buying too much into their own hype. Then again, as they say, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." If people liked those seasons and remember the series fondly overall, good for them. For me though, it's just one of many shows I stuck with too long and now remember as more bad than good on the rare occasions I think of it-such when YT decides to put this video in my recommendations and I click on it out of boredom.
Monty's animation style is so incredible that it still holds up today. Even now, revisiting RWBY Volume 1 & 2 where the average animation was decent, the fight scenes stand out so well. He had such a great understanding of fluidity in motion, his animations were always completely crazy in the best of ways. It's still mind boggling to think most of the animations we know him for nowadays were solo projects.
I haven't heard anything about Red vs. Blue in so long, and it's nice to see people still talking about it. Wonderful video, man.
There’s a reason for that. RvB zero is rather depressing in comparison
Once warner brothers bought them they went down hill
@@ExelArts thats most seen in how they used to average 1,000,000 in their most popular video series, now those same videos can barely break a 100,000. As the saying goes, they went woke so they went broke (so to speak)
@@koro_kokoro the WB brought these woke people into rooster and teeth the founders never shouldve agreed to sell shares to them
@@ExelArts thats probably why all the original team of lets play is pretty much gone, they either quit or are barely present anymore, really only 2 are left. Most of the founders have either quit, got fired or are no longer talent and work behind the scenes
The episode where they accidentally teleport to a multiplayer match will always be my favorite
You mean the one where Sarge and Caboose find themselves in Battle Creek?
ITS A LEGITIMATE STRATEGY
“I regret nothing! I lived as few men dare to dream.” -Red soldier who stole the Blue flag.
Sarge: Can you hear what they're saying?
Blues: KILL THE REDS! KILL THE REDS! KILL THE REDS!
Caboose: You're not gonna like it.
Man, as a huge fan of both RvB and RWBY, evey time a video brings up Monty it just hurts. The s8 fight between Tex and the Reds & Blue was my introduction to RvB, and it remains one of my favourite videos on the internet. Monty's animation and fight choreography captivated me in a way that I can't really explain. When I found out that the reason RWBY and RvB has declined in animation was that he had passed away, it was hearbreaking. Rest in Peace, Monty, thank you for everything
It’s so cool that halo 3 had tools specifically designed to make machinama easier. A big game developer adding things to game for a niche online fan community is something you just don’t see anymore
Arma 3 Left everything open for any creation you could think of other than that no one else
Halo 2 also has a button combo that lowered your weapon and removed your cross hair
I love the fact that Bungie brought in RT to do a cameo in Halo 3.
They also added the detail of the Warthog tires being labeled “Puma” in reference to RvB.
Later in Reach there was a whole secret room near the end of the game you could access in co-op on legendary that payed tribute to a ton of fan stuff like RvB, the Warthog jump video, and so on. Definitely miss the soul of that era, ironically Halo lost it before RvB did.
@@Comkill117 Even in halo infinite you can choose "lightish red" as a colour for your AI
Monty was lightning in a bottle. I remember listening to the podcast when they announced what happened. An allergic reaction to a minor surgical anesthetic if my memory serves, all around tragedy, especially for his wife and child.
tbh, I think the allergic reaction thing was a cover-up imo
@@broden4838 for what? maybe a drug overdose, he did work insane hours.
@@SquashGuy02134 idk, but more and more have been suspecting foul play
@@broden4838 I won't say corporate sabatoge is impossible, but it seems unlikely.
@@broden4838 fuck outta here with conspiracy shit. Monty died. thats the fact.
Small correction: Monty's time with RvB didn't end because of his passing. After season 10, he created and directed RWBY, and died during production for season 2.
The first couple seasons are incredible. Being late highschool and early college they hit hard. The sticky grenade on his face at the end of one episode had myself and my friends crying from laughter
There's this thing on your face.
Is it a spider? Get it off!
No, it's like this blue, pulsating thing.
You mean like a blue spider? Get it off!
@@kbcarroll still makes me laugh
They embraced the gamer and halo culture. The og rvb was like living in a halo meme.
That doesn't sound much better than a spider! The quotes used to be so memorable.
RvB was so successful that it’s main continuity about AI research became partial cannon in Halo. Both Bungie and 343 loved to include RvB in their games. It’s so sad to see something so great, along with the company, fall so far.
Time has really killed mine and many others’ childhoods.
Hell 343 made a reference to lightish red in the halo infinite beta. So sad tbh
Yeah.
The only thing we have left of the best time for gaming and gaming focused content are the memories of the times. Which is one of the most depressing things of 2021.
The AI stuff in RvB is based off of what was already established in Halo. Almost every concept other than fragmentation of emotions and characteristics of an AI was in Halo before RvB.
@@mentalist1310 true. From smart AI being taken from human subjects to rampancy
this video made me so nostalgic. man i used to LOVE rooster teeth and achievement hunter. would watch every video. and. rvb. it’s really disappointing to see how far it’s fallen. i love this show sooo much it made me cry to remember it again.
God, mentioning Monty Oum was such a bittersweet gut punch, it was a shame that he passed away but it was also beautiful to hear the respects given for his effort on his work in RvB choreography.
And RWBY btw
Man I broke down crying in class when I heard he died, shit killed me
Rest in peace
Ah. I remember the good old days. Being young, watching people older than me make something fun.
Now I'm watching a UA-cam video by someone whose three years younger than me.
So, this is what adulthood feels like.
Hey dude these youtubers are my age actually doing something and I'm just sitting here
@@th3thatguy631 Do something then. Take a half hour out of your day to learn something. And it doesnt have to be every day, if you arent feeling it, thats cool too. But always work towards something. I'm learning game dev while working a dead end security job. But I'm doing something, anything is better than just existing.
@@Fox_Olive well I am passing time till I join the navy but it just feels empty. Like I'm only joining cause I don't know what else to do and I'm hoping it'll guide me a bit, but I'm able to get a relatively comfy job so that's nice
Dont remind me
Right there with ya. Feelswierdman
I worked at Gamestop back when they started carrying RvB DVDs and got to go to a conference where RT was. Got a signed CD (which was sadly stolen out of my car shortly after) but got to meet a few of the guys. Very down to earth, they were excited to be there as much as me. I miss those days, honestly, RvB was a big part of my life.
what was the thief's skin color
@@based980 red... this has red team all over it
@@evarchavex4800 ermmmmm racist much? lmao
I grew up with rooster teeth, hell, they were the first show I ever got hooked on on the internet. I used to mow lawns and listen to the drunk tank podcast. I remember the day Monty died, I got one of his quotes tattooed on my ribs. They used to be a community, their community site was a way to interact with people with similar interests from around the world. They were some of the first social media to exist. It’s depressing to see what they have fallen to over the years but I will always be so thankful for their part in my life. If you haven’t seen red vs blue all I have to say is,
“Hey, have you ever wondered why we are here?”
Started listening to the old drunk tank podcasts again only to find out they removed the first 100 off youtube and then like another 60. Use the like the podcast but stopped liking it years ago.
It's one of lifes great mysterys.
Rest in Piece, Monty.
OG fan as well, found RVB around 2004ish probably, all snowballed from there watching the rest of RT, drunk tank, shorts and all. Monty was a huge inspiration for me growing up, I was never particularly talented in any way doing art but Monty was able to make a Webseries of all things look like that. I’m finally on the right track with where I wanna go with art, it’s a shame I was never able to meet Monty man. He gave me hope. Rest In Peace brother.
@@jondoe230 I'm late af but all of the drunk tank is on spotify, I relistened to all the great eps from 1-100 recently 🔥
I remember one day i saw a tweet/blog/comment made by one of the producers of RvB: Zero that said "we didn't make the show for the fans we made it for us and what we like and what we wanted to do" and that gave me all the answers i needed about that season
Damn really? Smh.
Which like, cool, but don't be a fucking whiny brat when everyone hates your shit. It's like a toddler running third shift at McDonald's and putting ketchup in the ice cream. I'm glad you like it, but the customers are getting pissed.
Monty was one of my idols bro rooster teeth oh boy you done goofed
That's actually been roosterteeths style forever, they make things that make them laugh or that they wanna do or see.
@@redrover1172 but burnie made it specifically for the people who wanted to watch it. they will undoubtedly do what they want but the tweet reeks of contempt and miscommunication.
monty had very good understanding of all the animation principles and incorporated them expertly.
The series "ending" scene with churches speech was very impactful.
Not enough people recognize how great the Chorus Trilogy was. It really was a great way to end the series, finally concluding all the character development that needed to happen without losing too much classic RvB charm.
Honestly, the humor isn't as great as past seasons and the animation just is not good again until season 13; however, the writing and plot were phenomenal, and the maturity of those elements really matched the maturity of the characters themselves. It all culminated in the finale, which I will admit made me cry the first time watching through. Church's speech at the end was the PERFECT way to end such a beautifully crafted series, and the show absolutely should have ended there
Though my one critique of it is that the end credits for season 13 is not that good compare to Season 10's end credits. The latter felt like it was the end of RVB
@@DylanoRevs RT also completely screwed over the season 13 end credits in their two part reuploads by replacing it with their "hEy GuYS mAkE SurE To LiKe AnD Sub!"
Same here, I was blubbering like a baby. I hasn't even know there was more to the show. Glad in one way, sad in another. Either way. I hope you have a great one, whoever is reading this.
@@PlainOlSoapBar ooooh hell naw 😭
It's no surprise that RT went down the shitter after 2015 with Ray leaving AH and Monty passing
Red vs Blue for me ended at season 13, season 14 was fun and provided some nee details to previous lore, and honestly I would've been fine seeing more of these spinoffs, watching Locust's and Felix's animated episodes were fun and provided us more background on the characters. When season 15 came out I tries to get into it but just couldn't, felt forced just to do a new season. The true end for me is season 13.
Yeah, I get what you mean, but for me I was fine for season 15, it felt like an epologue movie, where you get to see the "where are they now?" answers and have one last plot that finally ties the rest of the loose ends of the Reds and Blues. But all in all, thats my opinion
I personally see season 15 as much needed closure, just wish it would’ve ended after they killed or integrated the blues and reds into their group, would’ve added so much extra story to the world of rvb, but season 14 would’ve been the perfect season to end on.
I haven't seen the last couple of seasons yet (or however many there are now since they started getting back to the main story again). I started watching the one with the journalist and such. I think I was maybe reasonably enjoying it, but I still need to come back to it and see the rest.
Honestly, I don't know if it's that I entered my high school years at this point and grew up somewhat, or if I just had prophetic eyes, but the first signs of any decline to me were actually seasons 9 and 10. From what I recall, it felt like neither the present nor the prequel's story (especially the prequel's story, being the more narratively important and action-packed one) was getting enough screen time to really feel like it was fully done. I remember feeling like I only got small snippets of the freelancer storyline, and that the only few-minute run time of each episode was just becoming far too short and underwhelming for me. I think, when you start introducing even bigger plot and detail like that, you gotta start giving more time to the whole thing, otherwise it just feels rushed. And that's how it felt to me: rushed. Plus, from what I recall, I didn't really like the season 10 conclusion. That also felt rushed and underwhelming to me at the time, but I never rewatched it.
Then, Seasons 11, 12, and 13 shift to a brand new story, mostly. I kept thinking they were gonna tie this back in to the freelancer plot somehow, because of all the nods to it at points, but it never really happened. That disappointed me too. And I ended up feeling disappointed with every season of the Chorus trilogy, mainly that the story and main threat in it just didn't seem as grand as the whole freelancer arc. Plus, it was all just coming out of nowhere, thrusting you in with no built-up lore like the Blood Gulch Chronicles did with the freelancer storyline.
That's my summation for now, mainly from many years ago, having viewed seasons 9-13 fully only once (season 9 possibly more than once), really. I'll admit: seasons 9-10 had some really cool action scenes. I have rewatched some of those at times. Again, for the freelancer prequel stuff, it was more about not having enough time given and perhaps pacing. Seasons 11-13 felt more like a shot in the dark to another direction just for the sake of continuing the series. I guess it makes sense narratively, somewhat, that they could move on from the freelancer stuff, but it just didn't seem that interesting with the narrower scope of it all. You either continue with the freelancer angle that started it all, perhaps expanding on the alien aspect (from the Blood Gulch Chronicles) along with it, or you build up a threat even grander to top it off, but the show did neither at this point.
It's amazing to me that some people only started thinking the show was faltering after the Chorus trilogy. For me, by the time season 11 had ended, I had definitely been less fond of the series than I once was. To me, it was kind of obvious that Red vs Blue was not like it once was already, but for some people, they're just catching up to that idea now, I guess. I still enjoy some of the content, and I'll eventually get back to whatever I've missed so far, but it doesn't have that gravitas like it once did for me.
I would have loved to see more stories of Locust and Felix done in the style of their S14 episode. Their first job, how they got the armor and so on. So much potential. Would have been a better season than Zero and that atrocity that is Family Shatters
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I remember watching the whole series on Netflix, and the fight scenes were awesome, and the writing was amazing. The fact I can go back to seasons 1-13 and still enjoy them shows how well made they are.
I lost interest in the series when they decided to focus less on characters(or really, make terrible character arcs) and more on plots instead. I honestly think it’s why people love S6-13 and why many people consider one out of those three arcs to be the best in RvB. They always managed to create an intriguing plot that was driven by excellent motivation and good character conflicts. Conflicts only existed because some characters didn’t see eye to eye with each other, not because of some god or terroist group forcing them to fight.
I think it says something about RvBs emotional core when the most memorable and impactful moments were not it’s fight scenes or character deaths or arc tie ups, but characters getting the closure by simply talking.
Hey.
Yeah?
You ever wonder why we're here?
Unsurprisingly, the best thing about red vs blue was, well, the red versus blue.
That’s probably also why I got cheery each time the main cast went back to their roots and did some standing around shenanigans in whatever team-segregated bases they set up.
Man I remember when people despised the Chorus trilogy. I still love it though. Felix and Locus were way more iconic to me than The Meta.
@@sumbuddy4088 exactly. The new series just don't seem to grasp the core of the RvB cast which is, their a group of unlikely friends who care, not a bunch of idiots. Its why I only liked a few parts of S15 and stopped after that. S15 focused too much on the villain and other characters without taking the time to include and make sure to give depth to the RvB cast.
Nice to find someone else who loves The Chrous Trilogy as much as me
Joe Bingham sends his regards.
It's their final hurrah.
Omg yes
The Chorus era is 100 % underrated, I always enjoyed it
Honestly at the least I'd call it a sequel to RvB, but it's prime RvB to me as much as seasons 10-13
Season 1 to 5 is peak for me. I'd come home from middle school in the early-mid 2000s and just laugh my ass off for hours, rewatching over and over. My dad would come into the room one day, as Tex says, "Oh great, you broke my voice filter. You c**k-biting f***tar*s".
i believe in my heart that the show’s canon ended in season 13. the ending was soooo good aaaaaa
10 is where it ended
13 was damn good. nearly cried at church's speech.
@@broden4838 Seasons 11 through 13 were a really good arc and unlike 10 they didn't set the Reds and Blues up for new adventures. They set them up for a story we'd never see, one where we'd just hsve to hsve faith. That's why Season 15 had to pretend that scene never happened to begin with
8, 10, or 13 could have been great end points. Still love the Chorus Trilogy tho.
@Potato King *meta disagrees and growls* but yes meta would fuck them both up no issue
As a child it was red vs blue now its "Bloods VS Crips" smh
lmao
Bars
Lmaooo
Based
So is Chorus just Chicago then?
my favorite part of this entire series is seeing church evolve over the years and his character development
19:21 Okay, here's actually something funny about that: Remember 9 and 10? The Freelancers actually do bob their heads slightly on occasion. For reference, go rewatch the scene in 9 with Wash and North right before the 3 on 1 fight with Tex. We don't really notice it too much because it was actually integrated into their normal movements.
Compared with their attempts in Zero. I mean ... I watched half of Zero before I couldn't stomach it anymore and the head bobbing seemed smoother which gave away that it had been animated in, rather than machinima'd.
For me, Chorus was the definitive end of the story of these lovable space idiots. The first 6 seasons did a lot of world building, and then from Revelation onwards with the late great Monty Oum at the helm, some of the best fight choreography I've ever seen was on full display with a fantastic story which then became the Freelancer Saga (my personal favourite out of the lot) and the the equally amazing Chorus Trilogy. It galls me Burnie and Joel are gone now from the company, effectively killing any hope for Church and Caboose forever from coming back. I have those amazing memories though from that awesome period and they'll never be taken from me.
Wait Burnie isn't with rooster teeth anymore?
@@schleepyairman6670 he's been gone for a while bud not sure exactly when he left but I think it was just before or during the mass exodus from the company.
Everything has an end.
I hope Halo's end is long after I'm gone though.
@@MadDadLad damn I didnt even know
@@schleepyairman6670 yeah it sucks hard to be fair bud :(. The Rooster Teeth I discovered as a teen is long long gone unfortunately. And back then, it felt like a proper community and that the people there weren't out of reach and easy to communicate with. They're in a different universe now today sadly but at least there's the memories to look back on.
Shit dude, this is everything I have thought and more. My favorite season is 6. It takes all of our characters that we know and love and flips it on its head. The dialogue between the counselor and the chairman is riveting and it has a healthy mix of humor and dark scenes. I get chills every time I hear Tex's crash. I HATED THAT WE GOT NO CALL BACKS TO HOW THEY ESCAPED IN SEASON 14. I felt like RVB had a missed opportunity to show an amazing show opener. Thanks for making this video. I watch/listen to Red vs Blue all the time and this just validates my feelings on the show.
Finally, a “the downfall of” video that isn’t 3 hours long
biggie cheese
biggie cheese
Don’t get why people hate long videos they give time to cover as much as possible in as much detail as possible
@@H20No I personally dont hate longer videos I just dont tent to watch them as much due to my terrible attention span
@@chickuna7854 that’s fair
"[The animation] holds up well even today, especially compared to the new seasons." is a SCATHING and underrated condemnation of the new stuff. Basically saying Monty's work is at least a decade ahead of its time, and reflexively, new RvB looks like cow plops compared to something made a decade ago. There was so much flavor and spice in that one throwaway line.
In all fairness, Monty was a gifted man and it is a great tragedy to lose his talent and more importantly him at such an age.
@@nicheman4455 Its crazy how absolutely skilled Monty was at fight choreography, his fights have no been matched since he sadly passed away.
I will admit, the animation looked pretty damn good, but it felt odd. Its sudden inclusion was quite jarring, and as a result, the show lost a lot of its identity (at least, the identity that I was familiar with). It started to introduce way too many characters that I didn’t care about around that time (most of the freelancers, aside from Maine, Washington, and I guess Carolina, even though she wasn’t very likable and more just essential to the plot). But I know most fans don’t agree with me, because choreographed fight scenes are what they think is at the core of RvB (while I , on the other hand, believe the machinima aspect is its core).
@@SmoothTurtle840 I respectfully disagree. I get where you’re coming from, but after 8 seasons it was the only logical next step. The fact that they kept the machinima side as the majority of the show, and the animations were sooo well done, makes me think that was RvB hitting its stride. The show flowed perfectly until… recently. Imo the Recollection and Freelancer sagas were equally incredible and I followed since season 3.
@@nicheman4455 while he was extremely talented it's not like what he did was impossible to recreate. They didn't even copy his style right after his death. Momentum was the key to all his fight scenes. Noone was flying and changed directions in the air. Every time you saw a character speeding through the air was because they were propelled by some sort of force.
Yo. They just retconned seasons 14-18. And are going back to the end of corvus. Written by burnie again. This may be a return to form. For the final season
real? where can i get more information
@@BillyBurnsfield yeah they announced it shortly before I made this comment. I forgot what it's called. Just look up red vs blue final season trailer. All those seasons are now simulations church was running.
This shit aged like milk
@@Church-of-the-grim-reaper What happened? I've heard about the return of Burnie, but I haven't heard anything else since.
@@TheTurt Roosterteeth got closed down.
After recently binging the entire series from S1 to S14. I can indefinitely agree S13 is where it should have stopped, Even as someone only watching it now I can agree with the impact and quality of it in it's purer form. Excellent video reviewing it, short, concise, honest and unrestrained.
I still recommend watching Season 14 for the fact it's just one big bonus features season, and introduced some pretty funny characters and moments for the still technically canon episodes.
Yeah, it had some good qualities.
Like the backstory of how church got a biological body, which also tied up the whole situation with private Jimmy and beating people to death with their own skulls.
Hell yeah, I still sometimes rewatch the "Merc Trilogy" (episodes 9-11). They're just SO good.
If there is one set of episodes from that season that I absolute hate, it's the Triplets episodes. Project Freelancer had always been portrayed as this black ops group that was one of many potential magic bullets to win the war. These soldiers were supposed to be some of humanity's best and in the context of Halo's lore, these would've been soldiers who didn't get dragged into the Spartan III program. And then...the Triplets completely shit on this perception, these were people that were less competent than some of the Sim Troopers that we saw over the course of the series.
Season 15 was also alright. It wasn't good, but it wasn't that bad either. It definitely went downhill after Season 13, though. Season 16 was bad. Zero had zero RvB in it.
I'm glad they're retconning anything after season 13 and Burnie is gonna write the last season
For it's time, this wasn't jank. This was quality. The early 2000s were good times.
Yeah, I'm only a couple years older than this guy and it's totally beyond me how he's pretty down on the early seasons but Chorus is his favourite? Seasons 1-5 were way better than Chorus, which itself if good but not great.
But on the whole he seems to get it.
Even now it holds up
That's the thing, it *was* jank. The 2000s was the embodiment of things being jank in a way that was cool. Newgrounds games, machinimas, YTPs, hell even the AMVs and GMVs that were way more popular then than they are now. It was back when the internet as we know it today was still getting established and people just kind of did whatever the hell they felt like doing. Back before every social media platform was catered exclusively toward pushing political agendas, and everyone's creativity had to fall within the confines of what advertisers are comfortable with.
@@damir_van_kalaz i miss those days
i remember seeing some really good AMVs there, some really good fan fiction videos
all the fake halo 4 trailers, some music videos where the CGI was great at the time, but looking back now are pretty dated.
Seeing so many old memes be created like leroy jenkins.
man i miss those days
@@enviousgaming3250
Same here. Those were good times. Back then you could even find an entire anime series uploaded on youtube in glorious 360p, compared to now where people get copyright strikes just for using a 5 second clip for review/commentary purposes.
“Hey people are saying we are creatively bankrupt.”
“Yeah, what completely new never before concept can be used”
“You ever seen doctor who”
“Yeah”
“What if we did that bad”
Oh fuck
I felt that S13 had could’ve had the best send-off. Epsilon, the last living this connected to the Alpha and the Director, dies and finally giving them a final death. The Reds and Blues have experienced so much and have been transformed from live training dummies to actual war heroes, able to inspire others as well as maturing themselves. Carolina and Wash, both who’ve lost everyone and everything find a new place to belong with the reds and blues. Hell I would’ve been fine with an epilogue episode where it shows them just retiring like how they did in S15, something like Grif and Simmons saying the iconic first lines, putting in some joke in there, and the camera pans over showing everyone just living their lives without being worried of being shot at, killed, or being dragged into another misadventure while the classic RvB intro plays in the background.
I agree that the end of Season 13 would have been the best place to end it, for sure.
10 should have been it. everything beyond that is just a feeble attempt
@@broden4838 nah dude, the chorus trilogy is amazingly well written. Season 13's last episode justifies any bad moments teh series had.
@@Fox_Olive 12 was a bit rocky but 11 and 13 were great.
The machinima tricks in season 11 was amazing, having cabooses mark V have a broken helmet with the black visor to show it was off was brilliant.
Church was the heart of the series for me. The less he was involved, the less I cared. I think I haven't seen anything since 13. I'm rewatching it all now though, and loving it. The first few seasons are my favorite. The comedy was top notch.
My first serious boyfriend and I used to wait patiently every week for the new episodes to drop on my old crappy Dell computer with AOL dial up. During that time period, Burnie Burns was at a convention and I ended up going and surprising my boyfriend for our anniversary that year with an autographed Rooster Teeth mousepad. Sad to see the state of Rooster Teeth today, but as you said, all good things must come to an end.
snooze
@@chungomungo2632 who pissed in your cereal?
Pearse Molloy me
@@Emilia-gw8so excellent job my guy keep up the good work
@@Emilia-gw8so I'm thinkin' he's based.
Seasons 1-5 = Perfection
Seasons 6-7 = Perfect sequel
Seasons 8-9 = Badass Spin-Off
Seasons 10-13 (Also my personal favorite arc) = Still pretty damn good
Season 14 - Wtf is this
Season 15 - It’s decent
Season 16 - FUCK GO BACK
Season 17 - Okay, it’s ending on a decent season, now we can move on
RvB Zero - ….. No words …..
Completely agree with you. 15 had a good concept and when you sum it up, it actually sounds like a good season (the execution was a bit off but still enjoyable), 16 was horrible and we move on from it, and 17 gets a lot of shit but when you consider that it had to fucking scrape the shit 16 left behind, 17 is a really good season too, taking the concepts that 16 left it with and focusing it down to make a better setting. Then Zero came along and everyone hated it
Perfect summary!!!
Yeah pretty much accurate.
i agree with everything u said besides season 14 I think that was a pretty good spin off I just think that it shouldn't be called a season it should be like a mini series or a spin off series or smth
Im gonna be real, Atlus and the last 3 or so episodes of Season 16 are the only things that are keeping me from vehemently hating that season.
Haven't watched Zero yet and I'm only tempted to do so out of morbid curiosity.
" Most of them were 16 year olds in their rooms making what they want. " You didn't have to call out Lyle McDouchebag / Rath like that, dude. Dang. Lol.
"I wasn't even 1 when they made this series" oh my god..
Shit I feel old now
The same thought went through my head; you are not alone.
When Gavin and Michael play games together like when they played “cursed halo” I get the feelings I did again when Roosterteeth was at its peak.
Thank you for making this, I was sad to see the ending because I don't ever feel that I get the closure of an interpreted ending as one that's made by the writers, but I really am glad that it ended as amazing as it did
"This was made back in 2003, I wasn't even 1 yet."
I feel old. Born in 93, it feels weird that my gf born in 2k doesn't know what a floppy disk is.
'95.
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
'97 Represent.
I remember stumbling across RvB as a kid, some way, some how, back in 05/06. Browsing Internet Explorer 6 on the family PC running Windows XP Professional. Looking back, those days could be described as the "Wild West" of the online era, back when broadband internet was in its infancy. To be completely honest, I have no idea how I even discovered RvB, but I instantly became hooked and binged the whole series up to the latest episode at the time, which was during season 4 or season 5. Personally, I think RT was at their prime from about 2008 to 2015, give or take a year or two. The main bulk of their best content was definitely produced in that specific time frame. I saw the imminent decline some years ago, and ever since I simply drifted away from RvB and RT altogether. They are going the way of Machinima (the company) and I would be very surprised indeed if they are still around in another 5+ years.
'04 here.
Early 2013 and i got my first Xbox and with it halo 3 after that stumbled on RvB, loved it then and now
Whipper snappers
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
Mojaving the patrol almost makes you nuclear for a winter wish
Ah haha a legion spy
The truth is… The game was rigged from the start
Our boys got the monorail back to work
We won’t go quietly the legion can count on that.
DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE MUSIC. Trocadero made all of the classic songs. And Jeff Williams made great stuff.
As well as bits for RWBY that bled into RvB like "caffeine"
Same thing happened to RWBY... RWBY Volume 1-3/ Red Vs. Blue Season 1-13 forever in our hearts.
what is RWBY?
@@Cloudylitsheep Monty Oum's show, but when he died, his "friends" Miles and Kerry took over and desecrated it. Now that Rooster Teeth is about to go out of business, people want to take revenge on both of them and their fans, along with a whack-job writer who came along 2 years ago
Volumes 1-2 and Seasons 1-10 imo, since Miles Luna is nothing more than a opportunist with a much more darker side to him
@@broden4838 Oof
@@broden4838 Going outta business for real?!
Legitimately pains my heart and is always a big kick to the balls whenever I am reminded of what Roosterteeth is nowadays, spent nearly half my life watching them. The views they're getting now is just tragic to look at
I finally had to stop watching their new stuff recently. It makes me sad to say, but they just no longer feel authentic or funny to me.
They feel like co workers now rather than friends.
I still listen to red web, but that's it.
That's what happens when you go woke
the views theyre getting is their own damn fault. they sold out, theyre getting their just desserts. fuck em.
I remember sitting on my living room floor watching this show being about 12 or so and my mom saying that I shouldn't be watching it bc it was not appropriate. I finally found all the seasons and its feels so good to watch the seasons again
The main problem is that RoosterTeeth really doesn't want to give up on their only cash cows. RvB and RWBY have made them tons of money; yet both have been in steady decline over the years. They also haven't been able to recreate the success of either. They had some short term success with Camp Camp and XRay and Vav; yet neither of those shows had a long shelf life. Gen:lock wasn't the breakout success story that they were hoping for and a lot of their other new content has been falling flat.
Even Achievement Hunter; their offshoot gaming company; has declined in value. The Minecraft episodes really are not that great any more; with them trying different mods just to try and spice it up. Their GTA Online episodes have literally just become them doing the same game types over and over again and hoping that it is enough. Even their TTT content has begun to degrade; with everyone really just going through the motions.
all the talent is gone, really doesnt help
Never found the writing in RWBY to be that great honestly. 1-3 are just disappointments cause the build up is there but don't execute it right or at all. 4-8 are just bad and just tries to please hardcore shippers
@@raging_gundam Yeah. The story itself was a bit clunky 1-3; yet the action scenes and the music were top notch. Yet it seemed that they were starting to get the story hammered out and improved come season 4. Then Monty passed and the show ended up getting worse each season.
They should really pick back up on Nomad of Nowhere…
Yeah man... fuck you've summed how I've felt. I've been with them since the early days, since the podcast was called Drunk Tank.
I slowly lost interest in the main RT Podcast. Slowly stopped watching all of the main RT stuff, just AH stuff. I love Off Topic still, but only for Michael, Gave, Jack and Jeremy. But the actual content of the channel is not watcheable anymore... Minecraft is dead (Been watching since EP1) GTA is dead, (Watched all of everything from the days of GTA 4 vids)... TTT was the best of the new stuff, at first I wasn't into it, but it gave me too many good laughs, holy shit it was hilarious while they learned it. Then it started getting stale again...
Then Ryan happened... Shit man... I just stepped away. I refuse to believe that noone else there knew. When the purge was happening people started making compilations of all the suspicious shit that Ryan said in videos, all of the stuff that we laugh about and said "Ah that's just Mad King Ryan being dark edgy and funny"
I love them all too much to think the worst of them, but it's happened once now, it's hard to be blindly naïve. I understand why Burnie stepped away now. He created something beautiful, but it's self destructing and he's got his family's financial security to think of, and too much bad shit starts happening when you grow this large, ESPECIALLY in the gaming community.
Look at Blizzard.
Fuck I remember simpler times.
When it was just the guys sitting around a table drunk talking shit.
When it was just a bunch of guys in a box canyon in the middle of nowhere.
When it was just a bunch of guys fucking around in Minecraft.
When it was just a bunch of guys blowing shit up in GTA 4.
When it was just a bunch of kids with cool weapons in a hogwarts-like school.
When it was just a collection of hilarious fails and Halo clips sent from the community.
When it was just about the new games around the corner, and not box openings for the millionth time.
When it was just a bunch of guys trying to beat Ray at literally anything.
Burnie was smart, but I feel bad for Geoff because he's or ride or die kind of motherfucker, and he'll ride this one out to the end... For better or worse. Love you Geoff, Michael, Gav, Jack, Jeremy, and Fredo. (In that order. =D )
A distant high five for Gus.
A hug for Burnie.
A hug for Joel.
A shitty pun for Barb.
RIP Monty.
And Ryan... kindly find a bridge.
"Are you related to griff’s family ?"
"Well I had relations with his sister"
I just love that line 🤣
First few seasons are still my favorite. So many great jokes and the voice acting is so good. They all had such distinct voices
I agree. The Chorus trilogy is my favorite RvB saga as it brought everything full circle and should’ve been where the story ended. Season 14 is okay as a bonus season, but it was all downhill from there.
I’m still amazed at how well they were able to thread the writing of such complex plots to still be mostly coherent and entertaining back then. It’s a tragedy how far it has fallen
Lost touch with RvB for years but when I caught up to Restoration and Grif said so long to Simmons and Caboose at the end, it was pretty great.
I can't remember which season this was but the part where Church basically accepts his fate as an AI and gives that incredible monologue about memories and love is where the show should have ended. It capped off the show beautifully and legit made me cry.
Then it kept going and going and going and going and any value it had disappeared completely.
Ending of season 8
Season 8 could have been a perfect end point tbh. The only thing I look forward to in rooster teeth’s future is them shutting down. I don’t know how tf they’re still kicking.
@@Freaky1347 Church (and to a lesser extent Burnie Burns) was the emotional throughline of RvB and the bridge between its silliness and its seriousness. As soon as he left, the show lost its soul just like RT did.
Gus Sorola literally made a joke about how they'll continue to do anything as long as it's successful regardless of artistic integrity, and that's proven to be so painfully true.
@@Freaky1347 Eh personally I need up to season 10. season 11-13 was a happy accident.
That's where I quit watching, and I'm glad I did. I personally didn't care for the Freelancers story, so to hear that was a major focus going from there makes me glad I bowed out when I did.
The worst part about my hatred for rooster teeth is that I used to love them. it is no wonder Burnie left though, he probably wanted to be remembered for how he ran the company instead of sticking around and being blamed for all the current shit.
He should have never hired Miles Luna, that way, Monty Oum would still be alive today
@@broden4838 i thought he died of a severe allergic reaction
@@zXPeterz14 I've had suspicions Miles was jealous of Monty's talent
@@zXPeterz14 he did, this is one of those nutcases that like to push conspiracy theories.
@@redrover1172 makes sense, people are very weird haha
2 years after this video (finally seeing it), and RoosterTeeth, is no more.
This reminds me of when i watched the very first animated sequence of Wash getting hit by the car. My jaw was open for the rest of the episode, and i was literally out of my chair in sheer excitement. I also agree with the Chorus ark being good, it definatly had an awesome, almost bitter-sweet, ending. After that i was just dissapointed
Im really glad you payed respect to monty, not everyone relizes how influencial he was. Honestly one of the best story tellers of all time, im so sad hes gone, he had so much heart and soul
You literally have my exact take on RVB with chorus being your favorite arc and hating the new seasons. The Chorus arc ending is one of my favorite endings of all time, and I still think about it every now and then. The ending was so good that I decided that it would be the ending of me watching RVB regardless of the quality of the later seasons. And after watching this, I am EXTREMELY happy I left it where I did
I remember hearing from someone that they thought Zero's characters had as much depth as porn characters.
That quote is gonna be the thing I say when I die.
It all started falling apart for me when Ray left Achievement Hunter. I used to watch those six guys, (Gavin, Michael, Ray, Ryan, Jack, and Geoff) play games for hours a day. But just like the old saying. Don't be upset that it's over, be thankful that it happened. Great video my dude!
Those six were absolutely legendary together. The only group of let's players I have watched and ever will watch!
really like the order you named them, the lads and then the gents, miss watching them sm
Jeez does that ring true to me, I always liked Ray the most and I do believe him leaving was a big sign of a downfall, both for me and for achievement hunter moving forward
@@NateDGreat670 and the reason why he left was so important. He got fed up doing the same stuff everyday only for views.
@@daviddunn4727 I think it was around 2016 where I remember Michael openly saying they only make videos that gets views. Even if there's a ton of vocal support for a video if it didn't break a certain number of views they wouldn't continue it. I honestly think they started getting jaded doing the same shit over and over again just for views and that's what turned the company toxic
Losing Monty was genuinely the loss of someone special in all of humanity. I still believe that he would've gone on to be a huge name without rooster teeth
I was a kid when this series started.
I'm not going to lie, I had the BIGGEST crush on church. The cringe as I type this hurts.
Then they introduced the freelancers and I saw FACES.
Middle school was such a time.
Lots of dudes still have a thing for Church lol
@@Serocco I'm glad I'm not alone.
RT recently released a teaser video for a new season of Red vs. Blue, showing that everything that happened after season 13 was nothing more than a simulation that Epsilon Church created between the ending of Season 13 and the credits. its fucking insane how far they've gone and how they are now trying to retcon it.
With the way things are going at Rooster Teeth, they might plop out at most one more season of this alongside the 9th volume of RWBY. And when both inevitably fail, that should be the end of it. Rooster Teeth's corporate overlords announced they're on the chopping block now, so at least the nightmare husk that Red Vs Blue and Rooster Teeth have become are almost over with.
I'm honestly surprised they're still going. Though I doubt they'll make it to 2023
Since we know Rooster Teeth is on the chopping block. I know their true believes will more than likely attack 30 Hudson Yards (Warner Media's HQ) in retaliation. But hey, their fans will become the hunted and we will be the hunters
@@broden4838 Nah. Let em shout their lungs out into the wind, while the rest of us sensible people move on.
@@bigcountry8652 They're running out of places to go and we know how dangerous they are, so I feel like "Now's our chance to end this once and for all"
@@broden4838 what the fuck does this even mean? like you act as if rooster teeth is some weird shadow organization. its just a failing (sadly) media company
I think season 14 is still justified to be watched, as the origin stories of the Reds and Blues being recruited by Flowers is really funny to watch, as well as the origin stories of Locus and Felix being really unique animation with good storytelling that reveals how they were partners before the war.
Essentially what I’m saying is that while the story of RvB ended with Season 13, the series as a whole ended with Season 14.
I like to include season 14 whenever I watch RvB again, dispersed throughout the series when appropriate for the story. I’ll share my viewing order for anyone interested:
RVB viewing order:
Season 1
Season 14 episodes 6-7
Season 2
Season 3
Season 4
Out of Mind
Season 5
Season 14 episode 16
Recovery One
Season 14 episodes 19, 12, and 14
Season 6 Trailer
Season 6
Relocated
Season 7 trailer
Season 7
Season 8
Season 14 episode 17
Season 14 episode 1
Where There's A Will, There's a Wall
MIA
Season 9 Trailer
Season 9
Season 10
Season 14 Episodes 2-4, 21-22
Season 11 Teaser Trailer
Season 11
Season 12 trailer
Season 12
Season 14 episodes 9-11
Season 13 trailer
Season 13
Season 14 episode 15
Great now I have to rewatch it all with this in mind
@@atlanticsquib7232 Just sounds like a plus to me
I'm almost done re-watching it all but I've had to screenshot this to do it all over again... can't wait
to anyone who wants to watch it like this in the future i made a playlist
ua-cam.com/play/PLXANa7eNSRsF7sV9Hdvmbhb_Pl1KHcLZK.html
@@justthatoneguy64 Hello! I’m the creator of the original list. Thank you for making a playlist and sharing it in this thread, and honestly, I’m flattered that someone made a public playlist based on my watch order. I want to let you know I made an edit in the order as a clarification, as I’ve realized it has led to some confusion.
The edit I made regards the Season 11 trailer. What I meant by that is the Teaser Trailer, with Smosh as a voice actor. Link: ua-cam.com/video/4P-L_k_6Ous/v-deo.html
I have edited the list to specify teaser trailer. I thought you’d like to know given the effort you put into the playlist based on my watch order, and that you would like to make the necessary change as well. Thank you again! And please, don’t be afraid to share your playlist with others 👍.
The scene comparison you made for Tuckers voice reminded me of when H20 Delirious tried to improve his mic but everyone agreed that he should just stick with the crappy one.
Honestly Roosterteeth has always been cringey. and as soon as people who cared about making anything good left, the buffer that kept things watchable was gone.
Disagree 100% with what you said but everyone has an opinion
@@galacticquasaur2956 I agree. You have rich egotistical geeks parading around flashing their odd and aloof personalities, only being checked by older and more reserved staff who have distanced or left the corporation that used to be male friends in a bedroom.
To be fair, it was entertaining cringe which is what people liked. However, when pretty much every founder and writer left, the entertaining part was gone and only cringe remained.
No, not really..
It’s only cringe because now we would think this is cringe, it wasn’t really cringe back then
It was endearing cringe, honest cringe. It was made by people who wanted to have fun and create something for the sake of doing it, it wasn't made by this corporate entity trying to be professional.
That's what made early UA-cam videos special, even if they sucked
I own the first ten seasons on blu-ray. I still go back and rewatch them every now and again from start to finish. It's still so good. Makes it easy to forget everything else. I'm glad the show existed before everything with RT went the way it did.
Season 1 - 10, RT Shorts, Audio only Drunk Tank, Strangerhood, the small office with the blue wall picture, the RT Comics. All that was my late teens/early 20's. All that is long over. I miss the intermate community.
I will say this much about season 17 I actually really enjoyed the Washington scenes seeing him go through his life and trying to piece things together before ultimately having to make a sacrifice worse then death this actually was the first time I cried for a fictional character before. I think this touched home with me due to the fact I truly value my mind as I put a lot of time and effort into trying to build it up and the thought of not only losing it but having to willingly give it up to protect something else I love while knowing I'll live but never the same again is terrifying to me.
I gotta say, the freelancer storyline was definitely my favorite storyline. However, Chorus had my favorite villain. Felix just had that charisma that felt so great. And church’s speech at the end was beautiful. But yeah season 15 was certainly just a bloodsuck of the originality, heart, and character. RvB: Zero felt like how it was titled. How much RvB is in here? Zero.
I was a late bloomer when it came to my introduction to Red VS Blue and even to Rooster Teeth as a whole.
2015, the year my Singapore Naturalized friend introduced me to the shows. I still remember when the S13 had just ended, the hype new RWBY episodes brought me and my friend, the sad end to Monty’s life, etc.
Man, I discovered redvsblue close to 20 years ago. Insane. It's been 19 years. It was such a part of my teenage years, there are quotes and scenes that flash into my mind all the time when it's relevant.
“I wasn’t even 1 when they made this series”
Wow I feel Fucking old
That was a trip down memory lane with well deserved jabs at RT. Well done
Surprisingly enough, my first introduction to red vs blue was in an Oscar’s parody dvd that actually had some really funny jokes and screens with Simmons getting locked out or caboose just talking on and on to some random person and literally just A bomb being a nominee. It was cool but it made me want to watch the rest.
Season 14 is the last "acceptable quality" season, and even then, that's mostly because it's buoyed by being an anthology season, just kind of dipping in and out of different parts of the universe. The Club-Call-Consequences three-episode arc might be the best of the series for me. Something about the Borderlands cell-shaded art style mixed with how unique of a core concept it was really made it stand out to me.
EDIT: And, ah, hell, I liked Season 15 up until they re-introduced the original gang. If it was just focused on Vanessa and whatever the cameraman's name was, it still wouldn't have been great, but if they had purely focused on her I think it could have gotten at least decent. Maybe she'd have gotten an actual arc.
I remember first seeing animation appear and I was like "Holy shit! Did they get Monty?!" That is how iconic his work was for for anybody would really enjoyed Haloid and Dead Fantasy. You could recognize it.
Haloid blew my mind as a kid.
Anyone seeing this video now after seeing the trailer for the final season? Seeing them retcon the hell out of s14 to 19 and seeing Burnie and Matt's name and thinking thank God and please make this end well?
This came out sooner than I thought it would! Good job!
Overall, a lot of the machinima community, or rather what's left of it see it more or less the same way with the exception of some die-hards and newer fans since that's the only way I can imagine they're retaining their relevance as Halo continues to evolve as a franchise.
I think you eloquently encapsulated the main points of what made RvB what it was and where it lost it. I'm still in the process of writing my video on RvB and the community as a whole, but for what it is, you hit the nail on this one Skipper.
Shame that we eventually grow to loathe the things we loved.
On the topic of Roosterteeth changing, I remember like 5 or 6 years ago watching their RT recaps and their random shorts, and I stopped because so many of the new people were so obnoxious. You could tell they were desparate to replicate the rise to fame and legendary status the original RvB cast has in the gaming community to this day. It's honestly sad to watch these people be so pathetic.
Seems to happen to a lot of internet content based companies. Founded by talented people with good intentions, but then as they leave, new and less talented people attempt to fill the hole.
Those new people then seem to act like they deserve to be treated with the same respect as their predecessors for simply being there, despite having not actually earned it from the audience.
Not to mention the fact that once companies like this reach a certain size, it seems inevitable that they get preachy and start virtue signalling.
Original Red vs. Blue was great because it was rough around the edges, made by people who care, and didn't apologise for what it was. Animations got better after season 5 but the original core was still there.
Then the original people started to move on or have lesser roles, and the true passion disappeared.
To be honest, the whole conflict with Washington in 14-16 was actually very compelling, at least in my eyes, and went a long way toward redeeming those seasons.
Caboose will always be my favorite character, especially when he went into reach campaign and when he helped during the Tex fight