i was invested nearly half a day to learn what is kfactor related to shop floor and finally i found you. thank you so much an clear explanation founded by you
Great explanation. What finally really helped me was to understand that the K-Factor is a percentage of the thickness of the material. In other words, the total thickness of the material is 100%. A K-Factor of .4 then is for all intent purposes 40% of the material thickness; your offset basically.
Guys, K-factor is not a thing you come up with, when you design in a certain material, the vendor of that material has the K-factor value into the data sheet. Let's say you have 2mm thick AISI 304 sheet ordered, in the documentation of that order you will find the mechanical parameters, including the K-factor. The value changes from softer to harder material and from thinner to thicker thicknesses. If you have to enter a value, it should never be 0.5, that means that you are bending diamonds, as a bench mark, softer metals like copper or aluminium are 0.38+/-0.02 and harder metals like stainless steel is 0.41+/-0.4. Do your research before you start designing something you intend to produce. Selection of material is one of the first things you need to do, thus, the K-factor should be there. Awesome video Toby, amazing as always!
your way of teaching is really Great, you explained the most important points in such a simple way, please make more video on Solid work's different tools and features .
Here's a comment I got on Reddit with regards to this video. This guy shares some great insights about how the team on the other end (the manufacturing/shop team) might prefer to receive sheet metal designs, from CAD designers/engineers. These are some GREAT POINTS and the TLDR point here is: Always work with (or talk to) the manufacturing team and find out what works best for them - it can save you a TON of time, since you won't have to waste time coming up with a good flat pattern - just let them do it (if that's what they want) 🙂 ======================================================= REDDIT COMMENT from Joaquin2071 I think this is a very good explanation for beginners going into sheet metal, however, if you are engineering and not actually manufacturing, it’s important to know that you shouldn’t be messing with these as it is up to the engineers at the manufacturer to determine the bend deduction based on their machines and their dies, especially when air forming. As someone who is an engineer in manufacturing, my job is a lot easier when the customer does not give a flat pattern and even better when they don’t dimension off of a flat pattern because 99% of the time, whatever k-factor/bd they are using is going to be way different than what we use. As far as the way I see k-factor, as someone who works directly with the brake department and has a gigantic table of bend deductions for all sorts of material and thicknesses, I see k-factor as a dependent variable that is found after doing live bend tests, finding the bend deduction by solving for how much the material shrunk. then, when plugged into the formula for bend deduction, you solve for the k-factor. That k-factor can then be used for that material, thickness, and radius to solve for non 90deg angles. The only time I ever use k-factor built into solidworks is for hems, and from there we proof the flat to show a bend deduction and then that is given to the brake operator. Just my little 2 cents from working in mfg for almost 5 years now (learning from old heads lol). P.s. A tried and true k-factor that is used a lot though that will almost always work is .4469. Especially for aluminum when air forming. That’ll get you pretty dang close P.p.s always dimension to the virtual exterior tangents, thank you :)
Very well presented. Where I work, we use 1/3 K-factor based on the Hurco Formulae. And we are bending some heavy gauge material (up to 1/2" or 3/4"). This is something I have brought to the attention of the folks at SolidWorks many times....the Mass Properties of the same part are different between the two configurations of bent and flat., i.e the bent is always heavier than the flat. Resulting in an inaccurate upper-level assembly weight.
Hello, I have been looking for a video about unbend / flatness for determining blank size dies for a long time. I want to ask how to make blank sizes from neutral format parts such as STP, x.t, etc. Apart from using logopress and autoform If the solidwork format such as sldprt can still be unbend using the sheet metal feature,
Why it isn't always K-factor = 0.5? Working with NURBS modelling in the shipbuilding industry, we are used to extracting the midsurface from the bends and using that as the surface to be flattened out. Being bend sheet metals like you showed in the video, or just curved panels used to build the hull.
Take a look at some of the other comments - there's some great stuff in there about K-factor value - but the TLDR is: The K factor will be different depending on the material, material thickness, bend radius, and bending process.
Hi I have a question How to design a big Silo Tank (cylindrical)? As we understand, the normal steel plate dimension is smaller than the actual shape of our design Should we design every single plate and then assemble it into 1 large component, or is there another way to do that? The reason for that because I want to know the total amount of plate that required for our design
The correct K-factor value is determined by a variety of things: Material, Thickness, Bending process, Bend Radius, and trial and error (working with the shop floor). If you are completely unsure, you can use a value between 0.35 and 0.5, and you'll usually be pretty close, but you'll want to make sure you discuss with the manufacturing team before proceeding.
I completely understand what k factor is and I use it almost all the time. However I do not understand how to know what is the correct k factor or how to go about figuring out what the correct k factor should be. I just always use .5 since I almost never use metal thicker than 14 GA. I can't be that far off. But I would like to know how to figure out the right k factor for me.
K-factor is a function of several items, such as material alloy and condition, type of bend (air, bottom, etc.), bend radius, ambient temperature, etc. The best way to determine the K-factor is to do a test bend with known parameters and reverse calculate the K-factor. For most aluminum alloys and thin steel sheets, K-factor of .44 will get you pretty close. Look into Bendworks application for some good reference material.
The correct K-factor value is determined by a variety of things: Material, Thickness, Bending process, Bend Radius, and trial and error (working with the shop floor). If you are completely unsure, you can use a value between 0.35 and 0.5, and you'll usually be pretty close, but you'll want to make sure you discuss with the manufacturing team before proceeding.
Spot on but you didn't explain that K-Factor is just the percentage of the material thickness. The line/depth that doesn't change length throughout the bend. All the material on the inside of this line gets compressed and all the material on the outside of this line gets stretched. In the real world with steel and aluminum a K-Factor of .4 is a good baseline until you run samples or prototypes. And your shear size is smaller than the outside bend flanges combined.
They had us writing pages worth of reports on this shit. Im saying you spend 12+ hours grinding and they give you the report back at C- or D+ on a good day. Those engineers dont mess around.
i was invested nearly half a day to learn what is kfactor related to shop floor and finally i found you. thank you so much an clear explanation founded by you
AWww yeah that's awesome and so glad to hear that this was helpful!! Welcome to the channel too!
This is probably the simplest and best explanation of the "K factor" I've seen so far! Thanks! Well done!
Awesome! So glad this helps!
Excellent explanation and much much better format in 12 mins, then in shorts. Not too long (20- mins), not too short (1- min).
Nice thanks Mr Alex! Great feedback!
I love your teaching!! Thanks a ton!!
Awesome thanks RamBros!
Finally, I understood the concept of K factor. Thanks for sharing.
Awesome very glad this helps!
Great explanation. What finally really helped me was to understand that the K-Factor is a percentage of the thickness of the material. In other words, the total thickness of the material is 100%. A K-Factor of .4 then is for all intent purposes 40% of the material thickness; your offset basically.
Awesome thanks chris and glad this helped!
Guys, K-factor is not a thing you come up with, when you design in a certain material, the vendor of that material has the K-factor value into the data sheet. Let's say you have 2mm thick AISI 304 sheet ordered, in the documentation of that order you will find the mechanical parameters, including the K-factor. The value changes from softer to harder material and from thinner to thicker thicknesses. If you have to enter a value, it should never be 0.5, that means that you are bending diamonds, as a bench mark, softer metals like copper or aluminium are 0.38+/-0.02 and harder metals like stainless steel is 0.41+/-0.4.
Do your research before you start designing something you intend to produce. Selection of material is one of the first things you need to do, thus, the K-factor should be there.
Awesome video Toby, amazing as always!
Great insight - thanks ace!
thank you! i was going to ask how he arrived at the K-factor number.
For someone don't have the knowledge in sheet metal just like me this is a great lesson, Thank you
Awesome glad this helped!
your way of teaching is really Great, you explained the most important points in such a simple way, please make more video on Solid work's different tools and features .
Thanks - so glad this is helpful!
Here's a comment I got on Reddit with regards to this video. This guy shares some great insights about how the team on the other end (the manufacturing/shop team) might prefer to receive sheet metal designs, from CAD designers/engineers.
These are some GREAT POINTS and the TLDR point here is: Always work with (or talk to) the manufacturing team and find out what works best for them - it can save you a TON of time, since you won't have to waste time coming up with a good flat pattern - just let them do it (if that's what they want) 🙂
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REDDIT COMMENT from Joaquin2071
I think this is a very good explanation for beginners going into sheet metal, however, if you are engineering and not actually manufacturing, it’s important to know that you shouldn’t be messing with these as it is up to the engineers at the manufacturer to determine the bend deduction based on their machines and their dies, especially when air forming. As someone who is an engineer in manufacturing, my job is a lot easier when the customer does not give a flat pattern and even better when they don’t dimension off of a flat pattern because 99% of the time, whatever k-factor/bd they are using is going to be way different than what we use.
As far as the way I see k-factor, as someone who works directly with the brake department and has a gigantic table of bend deductions for all sorts of material and thicknesses, I see k-factor as a dependent variable that is found after doing live bend tests, finding the bend deduction by solving for how much the material shrunk. then, when plugged into the formula for bend deduction, you solve for the k-factor. That k-factor can then be used for that material, thickness, and radius to solve for non 90deg angles. The only time I ever use k-factor built into solidworks is for hems, and from there we proof the flat to show a bend deduction and then that is given to the brake operator.
Just my little 2 cents from working in mfg for almost 5 years now (learning from old heads lol).
P.s. A tried and true k-factor that is used a lot though that will almost always work is .4469. Especially for aluminum when air forming. That’ll get you pretty dang close
P.p.s always dimension to the virtual exterior tangents, thank you :)
Thanks for the video, well explained.
Thanks! Glad this helped!
Visual explanation really helped to understand concepts.
Awesome glad this helped!
Very well presented.
Where I work, we use 1/3 K-factor based on the Hurco Formulae. And we are bending some heavy gauge material (up to 1/2" or 3/4"). This is something I have brought to the attention of the folks at SolidWorks many times....the Mass Properties of the same part are different between the two configurations of bent and flat., i.e the bent is always heavier than the flat. Resulting in an inaccurate upper-level assembly weight.
Then explain to us where some of the material goes? Does it evaporate?
Awesome , this is the best explanation I've ever heard for bend allowance, Thank you
Thanks Frank!
Wow great video and shout out to the other commenters sharing their time tested wisdom!
YEah what a great community!
That was new to me too! Home run!
Awesome thanks Eduardo! Glad this helped!
Thank you for the lesson
My pleasure and glad this helps!
Hello, I have been looking for a video about unbend / flatness for determining blank size dies for a long time. I want to ask how to make blank sizes from neutral format parts such as STP, x.t, etc. Apart from using logopress and autoform
If the solidwork format such as sldprt can still be unbend using the sheet metal feature,
Sure I can make a video on this - the short answer is:
use INSERT>SHEET METAL>INSERT BENDS
or
use INSERT>SHEET METAL>CONVERT TO SHEET METAL
This is well explained Toby!
Thanks!
Amazing🤩 Thanks a lot 👍
thanks!
Well explained, thank you!
Awesome glad this helped!
Why it isn't always K-factor = 0.5?
Working with NURBS modelling in the shipbuilding industry, we are used to extracting the midsurface from the bends and using that as the surface to be flattened out. Being bend sheet metals like you showed in the video, or just curved panels used to build the hull.
Take a look at some of the other comments - there's some great stuff in there about K-factor value - but the TLDR is: The K factor will be different depending on the material, material thickness, bend radius, and bending process.
Excellent, thanks!
Thanks Amir!
great explanation
Thanks!
Hi I have a question
How to design a big Silo Tank (cylindrical)?
As we understand, the normal steel plate dimension is smaller than the actual shape of our design
Should we design every single plate and then assemble it into 1 large component, or is there another way to do that?
The reason for that because I want to know the total amount of plate that required for our design
How do I know which value should I use for k-factor?
Take a look at some of the other comments - usually you'll need to work with the shop floor to determine the appropriate K-factor - hope this helps!
Where can i download that old chart! can't find it anywhere online in mm. Its all inches.
Lol - Im not sure where I found it- I think I google searched it and then modified it to avoid any kinda copyright issues
Where did the 0.35 K-factor come from?
The correct K-factor value is determined by a variety of things: Material, Thickness, Bending process, Bend Radius, and trial and error (working with the shop floor). If you are completely unsure, you can use a value between 0.35 and 0.5, and you'll usually be pretty close, but you'll want to make sure you discuss with the manufacturing team before proceeding.
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The K-Factor generation has four main components (K)arophite Black, (K)onnector, (K)ontour Yoke, and (K)ompact Center.
Nice
I completely understand what k factor is and I use it almost all the time. However I do not understand how to know what is the correct k factor or how to go about figuring out what the correct k factor should be. I just always use .5 since I almost never use metal thicker than 14 GA. I can't be that far off. But I would like to know how to figure out the right k factor for me.
K-factor is a function of several items, such as material alloy and condition, type of bend (air, bottom, etc.), bend radius, ambient temperature, etc. The best way to determine the K-factor is to do a test bend with known parameters and reverse calculate the K-factor. For most aluminum alloys and thin steel sheets, K-factor of .44 will get you pretty close. Look into Bendworks application for some good reference material.
Excellent answer thanks Mark!
@MarkSummersCAD thank you. What is "bend works application"? Is this a website? Or an app?
@@MrMemusashi, it is a downloadable app for Windows. Just google "BendWorks_V1-1_Setup.zip"
@@MarkSummersCAD thanks again.
So the Q number in the table is bend deduction, isn’t it?
Yeah that would be used with the BEND DEDUCTION option in SolidWorks, since you're measuring to the virtual sharp
so how is kfactor calculated for different thickness and radius?
I believe it is found by practical experiments using test pieces in the workshop.
The correct K-factor value is determined by a variety of things: Material, Thickness, Bending process, Bend Radius, and trial and error (working with the shop floor). If you are completely unsure, you can use a value between 0.35 and 0.5, and you'll usually be pretty close, but you'll want to make sure you discuss with the manufacturing team before proceeding.
Spot on but you didn't explain that K-Factor is just the percentage of the material thickness. The line/depth that doesn't change length throughout the bend. All the material on the inside of this line gets compressed and all the material on the outside of this line gets stretched. In the real world with steel and aluminum a K-Factor of .4 is a good baseline until you run samples or prototypes. And your shear size is smaller than the outside bend flanges combined.
Nice thanks for the feedback Bob - Great stuff!
He basically explained that it is a ratio which you can deduce into a percentage. He explained it very well
best video
Thanks!
They had us writing pages worth of reports on this shit. Im saying you spend 12+ hours grinding and they give you the report back at C- or D+ on a good day. Those engineers dont mess around.
lol for reals! FLAT-LENGTH off by 0.5mm across 2m? NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!
If bend radius is greater than 3x material thickness, k-factor would usually be 0.5
Nice - great insight - thanks!