“This Will Be Weaponised!” Fears Scotland’s New Hate Crime Law ‘Criminalises’ Free Speech
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- New controversial hate crime laws will take effect from April 1, the Scottish Government has announced.
The Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act was passed by MSPs in March 2021 but its passage was one of the most difficult of the SNP’s time in government.
The Bill was heavily criticised throughout the process, with ministers repeatedly forced to climb down on certain provisions, such as the potential impact on performers.
The legislation will create a new offence of stirring up hatred against protected characteristics, including age, disability, religion, sexual orientation and gender identity, matching a similar offence based on race that has been on the statute book for decades.
Some concerns remain over the potential criminalisation of free expression.
TalkTV’s Jake Berry discusses the story with director of advocacy at Sex Matters Helen Joyce, broadcaster Matthew Stadlen and conservative commentator Chloe Dobbs.
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#hatecrimes #freespeech #gender
As a scot and ex snp member I’m ashamed of what’s happening in Scotland . Don’t be fooled, the majority of Scot’s don’t agree with these laws and it’ll all be made clear at the next election 🏴
I was a snp supporter all my voting life, no longer, the party has lost it's way, I'm now politically homeless, how the hell has it come to this?
@@awhisperinthewind4253 same boat I won’t vote for the others but no chance is that man who is destroying my party getting it. Sad times
Don’t kid yourself, I live in Scotland, and I know more people who still intend to vote SNP than don’t, Scotland is in the grip of a cult…..
@@awhisperinthewind4253 I don't think it has lost it's way more like its lost its marbles.
@@bigeasy9259 laughing
I will be reporting Humza for his racist white rant as I am deeply offended by it
everyone should, give him a taste of what he's calling for
That will be my first complaint against our pm in Scotland what is good for the goose it's good for the gander
Everybody , and I do mean everybody, should ring up on Monday morning and complain about Hamster Useless's white speech.
See how he likes it. . . 😇
I think the Scottish stasi are going to need to set up a hotline for the amount of complaints they'll get about him on Monday
No point it will be an Indian call center handling all this - like everything in the UK.
So every time they call us Cis-Gender, Chest Feeders, Birthing Person etc we need to call the Police now??🤔
Exactly
Stop being a snowflake
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What? Has anyone called that out to you?! I hadn't even heard of such terms for a woman such as myself.
@@Katzzzz whoa whoa, 'a woman'?! Are you a biologist?
People have insulted and offended each other for thousands of years and miraculously we survived. This is bullshit.
common sense response ! your obviously not a politician!
Kudos to Helen for standing up to the fascist on the panel.
You mean the Nazi-Communist.
Its frightening that that guy went straight to the 'hatred' guff, if anything its 'unkind' to call India Willoughby a dude. Saying that, you've gone straight for 'fascist' so.......
@deeps27He's an idiot .61
Absolutely
It's not unkind. It's the truth. If the truth hurts him then he should toughen up.
How about police stop murder, burglary, vandalism, rape, domestic abuse, death threats etc?
What? When there might be a hurt feeling somewhere? That’s crazy.
Yeah….exactly!
Because thats hard
Now there's a novel idea, LOL!
Police forces, policing? Now, come on, let's be realistic. Violent hooligans running around unchecked, joyriding, random citizens getting robbed/stabbed/pushed into canals with no legal means of self-defence, all while law enforcement clamps down on dangerous thoughtcrime and those monsters guilty of conspiracy to offend a protected category, is the definition of stable and high-trust civil society!
Today in Scotland, I ask myself have I woke up in Iran?
Scotland is truly lost unless we make a stand over this rubbish.
What do you suggest?
This is what happens when you put the lunatics in charge.
Or people who are not of your kind, Humza, Sunak, Khan.
@@Jackie-ji2sjthere are plenty of people who are different but they don't all advocate laws that would fit in well in orwells 1984
Agree with Helen 100% ❤❤
Offence isn't given, it's taken.
This law WILL be weaponised.
Scotland is becoming a laughing stock.
Matthew’s wife must be thrilled to know he considers the feelings and needs of men who identify as women more than hers, as a woman. I’d be looking for a better husband if I were her.
Thanks Helen for standing up to the woman-hater. It’s about reality and truth not about ‘hate’.
The offence taken by that chap on someone else's behalf fully demonstrates why this law change is dangerous
Up to 7 years in prison for hurting someone's feelings. Police Scotland have undertaken to investigate every reported incident whilst ignoring numerous criminal offences.
Well done Helen for speaking the truth.
Aww look at Stadlens wee petty lip!
Humza bringing in sharia law by a different name...this is all about stopping ✋️ criticism of Islam
Yes, he is trying to keep the guys at the mosque happy. He knows that a blastfomy law would never pass.
Exbloodyactly!
so they complete their takover
It’s also an anti woman law
@@cathyg7767which fits well with is lam.
I really can't believe that the votes weren't fixed. Surely no one voted for this pillock.
The UK - with Scotland leading the way, has turned down an extremely dark path in seeking to police and legislate over social media interactions. It's pathetic, unhinged and absolutely shocking. Men cannot become women; women cannot become men.
Glad you mentioned the other side of tthis which was ignored by the panel ie that women can’t become men.
@@barryjgalbraith2635Nobody much cares about that side of the coin because trans-identifying females aren’t clamoring for access to men’s prisons, men’s sports, men’s changing rooms, and so on. And in the rare instances they _do,_ they pose no risk to the men in those spaces.
This Mathew Staldon guy apparently proving Helen's point here as he yells "Transphobia" over her trying to exercise her right to free speech.
He also wants to have his cake and eat it - he says he cares about women’s rights and single sex spaces in the same breath as saying it’s transphobic and hateful not to pretend you haven’t noticed that a wolf in sheep’s clothing isn’t a flipping sheep!
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He’s Jewish. Of course he supports hate speech legislation 😅
He's a total cretin.
he says it's the law of the land so it's true? so if the law always reflects physical reality now? he's a cretin
Helen is right to be concerned. It just gets worse.
My heart goes out to the good people of Scotland.
What Matthew doesn't understand is that if giving me my rights involves you losing your rights means what I'm asking for isn't 'Rights' but 'privileges'.
I've got my complaint ready regarding the First Ministers anti white speech. I'm very offended.
Especially when approx. 98% of Scotland is white and the First Minister has a clear issue of white people who hold high ranking government jobs.
Islamic Republic of Scotland
Technically Scotland can't become islamic under the new law as the Qu'ran is antisemetic and homophobic.
But, cant gay people say they are being threatened by Islam and have Islalm banned? Do you know what I mean?
It should be used against Islam.
Barreling toward civil war, Scotland will have its own Gaza
they said they wanted to take the planet. in canada too the liberal has censored ''''hate speech"
Mashallah
Misgendering someone intentionally, is calling a man a woman or a woman a man. Calling a man, with mutilated genitals, a man, is not misgendering
@trinitybassguitar-ru6dz yeah, I'm not a left wing pervert, I don't take offence
Exactly.
@trinitybassguitar-ru6dz of course not, I'm a straight white male
👍These Hate laws, as prescribed, violate the process of dialectic or debate in human nature. They act in violation (violence ) towards a person's natural right to hold opinions.
Helen Joyce is an intellectual giant and courageous hero - the irrational, misogynistic man who was frothing at the mouth isn’t fit to lick her boots. Brava for her defiance! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 The other woman was also excellent and between them they comprehensively squashed his pathetic, lazy objections.
😂😂😂
This is an unjust law. These people should not be in high office
It's in-breach of the ECHR laws on freedom of speech, and personal data info-handling/privacy breaches when it refers to getting folk to super-grass on what's said in the privacy of their own home. It's all utter HOGWASH.
Actually this law is amazing. Why? Let’s say you get someone at your door saying youre guilty of it. Uno reverse card! “Saying I’m guilty makes me fearful, that’s hate speech!”
@@Catherine.Dorian.. Stunning point ! 🎉😂
Exactly what I've been saying. It's going be a total mess@@Catherine.Dorian.
Especially the white ones
People go out on the streets about Gaza, why aren't they out protesting about this?
AS IF A SILLY LAW WILL STOP A SCOTS PERSON SAYING WHAT THEY THINK 😂
SENDING LOVE TO THE GREAT SCOTLAND FROM YOUR FRIENDS IN ENGLAND 🏴
Every person calling a woman "TURF" and /or call to rape her should be sent to jail following this law
A woman is not a protected person under this law. They say they will bring in a misogyny law in the future.
The tragedy is women are not protected under this law. Utter madness.
@@sylasgirlsharia law in place Useless intention
Women are not included in this.
That can be done under our current law...my question is why isn't it.
The more i see people accused of being transphobic for stating basic science or common sense, the less i care about whether i am transphobic or not. I'm against child abuse, for women's rights and I believe in basing opinions on science and not feelings. If that makes me transphobic then i will happily take the label of transphobic.
People have hated me simply because I exist and genuinely believed that I should die because I'm not like them
If being hated for not being an arrogant, would be facist then hate away
Well said. 🎯
Thank you for being sane.
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There's going to be a lot of so called criminals . Well said Helen x
Thank you for standing up for us Dr. Joyce! Thank you for protecting women and children. We see you! We appreciate you. We support you.
Dear Matthew So-and-So,
Calling a trans woman a woman is hateful and offensive.
The phrase transwomen is offensive. Trans-identified male or simply men is accurate
@trinitybassguitar-ru6dz Well it's insulting to people's intelligence for a start. That's like someone gaslighting you to say this cat I'm selling you is actually a dog. Why should anyone else have to share in an anti-reality, anti-scientific delusion?
@trinitybassguitar-ru6dzYou're a very stubborn human
Typical of your species
Mathew Stadland is a poor excuse for a man, certificate not required……..
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He is no man
He's a cretin and an imbecile.
Indeed,he is the definition of weakness
an unshaken wet lettuce of a BETA male....
The police should be with the people and ignore it. Freedom of speech is paramount.
So how does that work with people who suffer from Tourette’s syndrome
With currently over 300,000 people who suffer from this
I don’t think Scotland would have enough prison cell space at their police stations
that bloke in the bottom righ corner IS THE PROBLEM
I've never been so ashamed to be Scottish.
Move south?
Why would you be offended or ashamed your men have been wearing dresses for centuries 🥻 JK 😊
@@perryostrander4648 Ceremonial stuff I can handle but this is just something else.
@@leannan070 Why should anyone have to move to another country to have to avoid laws that make an absolute dog's dinner?
You need to move out the islamic foreigners because they are hell bent on spreading islam and their rules
The world has gone mad, starting with Scotland.
If a guy who claims to be a woman approaches and I say Go away. I don't want to talk to you.
Is that a hate crime?
Welcome to the New North Korea, formally known as Scotland
Don't be smart ....... Wales and England will be next, trust me on that.
the us and nazi agenda created the division of korea!
😂 England's new laws about to come are even worse.
humza useless is the dictator of course
It'll be like Iran before you know it.
This law is all about shutting down anything you might say in criticising a certain religion, and we all know what that is. 😉
Steve for me it is all about protecting the feelings of BOTH the:
religion of peace 🔪
and
co€ks in frocks 👗
from “Hurty Words”
ie the Cold Hard TRUTH‼️
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Im Glad you said it.....that & probably MAP'S....which will suit them perfectly because it is what they're into
Transgenderism?
Humza has a massive chip on his shoulder for the racism he faced as a child (which is awful and I do not condone it). This law is simply vengeance. Humza says the Police will investigate every complaint however we all know any complaints made by whites, or Christians etc. will all get filed into the bin.
@@roaroa5291 lol
Maybe Scots should report this law as causing fear and alarm, and ditto all those who passed it.
So does that mean that comedians can no longer perform in Scotland then? No more Edinburgh Fringe? Taking away our freedom. I never would of thought that we would be a country that would do this.
That panelist Matthew proved just what’s wrong with this and it’s dangerous
Yes
denying reality is illegal
He doesn’t know what a woman is
Cause fear or alarm? That's a perfect description of what the Scottish government does to every Scot!!!!!
The Scots themselves have allowed this to happen. Only the Scots have the power to change this because they vote for the people in charge!
Im offended by the words "You're under arrest" there, that'll f em.
Matthew Stadlen lost any respect that I had for him in that conversation. I DO care that a law demands I set aside reality, but I DON'T care about nor respect Matthew's concept of what constitutes "offence" or "hate". I care about facts, truth, and reality. I expect/ hope those errors I corrected, most noticed and understood
I cannot believe this guy is only 44 , he must have have had an incredibly hard life.
He proved himself to be bigotted, irrational, unreasonable, and exceptionally dim-witted. What's worse is that he sees everyone who refuses to go along with his stupid beliefs as hateful. WHAT a plonker.
Maybe you had missed it but all the failed Conservative MPs who are all under threat of losing their seats are now arriving at talk radio. This should just tell you how linked MSM is linked directly with out of touch career political people.
Agree with you 100%
Matthew should read the George Orwell 1984 book or watch the movie. He is in it . “ The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”. Well, Matthew, the Party have got to you son , big time. But not us, the silent majority. We are preparing for the counter offensive. 🇬🇧🏴
I find Mathew Stadlen exremely offensive and i am alarmed and distressed by what he said. Until 5 minutes ago we all new and accepted the dictionary definition of a man. A trans person's gender viewpoint changes nothing.
He sounded so ridiculous that I burst out laughing. I'm baffled that he has no self-awareness. The word "man" directed at men is not a slur
100% correct, Stadlen is a fool of a man, he tries to pass as an intellectual commentator, nothing could be further from the truth, he's nothing more than a stupid fool and it was on display for all to witness today!
In 90 seconds we saw the mission creep he denied would happen.
If he really thinks Helen's comments was hateful, how is she not breaking this new blasphemy...sorry, hate law?
Typical response from a man on women’s issues. He had to resort to name calling to make his point which is exactly what Helen is highlighting 😡😡
Helen Joyce is awesome! This male guest is worse than merely wrong- he's antagonistic to a healthy society.
😂😂😂
She engages in the same identity politics, it's just not working in her favour this time.
People of Scotland, lets all call the Police on a daily basis about words and people who offend us, which will show how bonkers this legislation is. Everything Hamzu Useless says stirs up and offends me!
His white speech was derogatory and racist
yup, he needs reported
Mass report his “too white” speech that’s still on UA-cam.
If someone was to download the video, then re-upload after April 1st, the way the law work we can all report Humza.
Yes, everyone needs to report themselves or agree with friends to report each other on day one. It will be a badge of honor and the law will be a laughing stock. Spread the word.
There's a good Scottish word for this new law...PISH
Listening to that man 😮we are living in the last days... Right is wrong and wrong is right 😢
Her words “the process is the punishment “ is very apt. Simply reporting this triggers an ordeal beyond compare for those simply accused.
Maybe the police should be left to catch criminals and not babysit the snowflakes
The snowflakes are now the Police.
They are ridiculously PATHETIC!!!
Absolutely 👍🏼
Vote SNP out.
@@robertozube 😮🤣
I have 'hard skin' says the guy who has to mention how he is a victim on every interview he has and proceeds to get offended on behalf of others. That guy is a joke.
I've had thicker skin on a rice pudding
He is MAP that's why
Sickening. Why is Hamza himself not investigated for his own anti Indigenous Scottish speech when he said Scotland " too white"?
Isn't that what it was 1000s years?
Why is he not investigated for trying to change a country referring to race of Scots? Who ordinarily had every undercard thrown at them centuries never hated nobody.
1 man cannot implement law without consensus of public & that too has to be on issues by vote that affects them reflected through figures.
You don't need to live in Scotland to have nightmares of a seemingly distopian Orwellian future. But I'll tell you this much that Humza Yousaf is emotionally compromised from serving his duties to the fullest on whether his mind is entirely on the job as First Minister at Bute House which am very saddened to say which we hardly need a third opinion over that one in that respect!
Sadly we all saw the First Minister Humza Yousaf broke down in tears sadly with Sky's Political Correspondent Ruth Rigby back in the 14th of October of last year over the very distressing ordeal that Humza Yousaf said of what his own mother-in-law endured in his very own words, and I quote, "complete distress".So in all fairness one can say that the jury has now indeed been summoned as to how much of that complete distress the good people of Scotland are having to endure which is not only deeply concerning but that which is very much democratically alarming!!
Why should the Scottish people be used as emotional punching bags for the First Minister's 'complete distress' to the point that he's threatening to deny an entire people's enshrined human rights, freedom of speech and expression which are the very foundations of a fair democracy itself which is enshrined in the United Nation's Charter for Human Rights!!
Undermined by one who's motives are obviously and clearly triggered by an underlying personal crisis that has manifested itself towards one conducting themselves 'deeply irrationally and therefore out of character' that does not meet the norms of one's fiscal duty whilst in office.
In this case due to personal trauma that was endured from the experiences from another part of the World sadly.
Considered as an honourable man of whom with deep distinction who was originally sworn in as an MSP prior to being nominated as that of First Minister by members of the SNP as a fit and proper incumbent person who has since sadly been emotionally and very likely psychologically compromised in that regard who has failed to fathom that without freedom of expression and free speech then there is no concept of a free democracy let alone that of a devolved one for that matter!
It seriously does beg to ask the First Minister if he is still aware that Scotland is recognised as a Sovereign country and furthermore has one wondering if he has ever heard of George Orwell nevermind that of his works even such as that of 1984??
So may we therefore also remind the First Minister Humza Yousaf that 'free speech' is already enshrined in the United Nation's Charter for Human Rights so therefore First Minister Humza Yousaf has indeed rendered himself in very much an extremely untenable position from that of the fiscal norms!!
And finally do we really seriously have to legally remind the First Minister over the very definition and use of: 'Actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea' which indicates that the prosecution in a criminal case 'MUST' prove 'beyond a reasonable doubt', not only a criminal act such as a hate crime, but a certain level of a guilty mind (mens rea), specified in the criminal statute??
Matthew played the 'hateful' card when presented with facts he's uncomfortable with.
reality is hateful 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Well said Helen, real women are with you.
Real men are with her also
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How poignant that this law came into effect on April 1st!!
Fool's day indeed!
Keep fighting 🏴 ❤❤were behind you 🇬🇧
who the hell votes for these people? Helen Joyce is one feminist I can agree with and respect.
Most of us feminists agree with her too!!!
We didn’t vote for him
No one that’s the point, ysuf and sunak both unelected
I do - cos they are amazing! keep crying
@@dekmackie keep getting butt hurt
Helen we are with you. They will have to put a lot of women in jail.
"What was once a movement about sexual orientation and equal rights has transformed into an ideological crusade that’s shuts down dissent, punishes and shames any person or organization that dares speak against it, or even facilitate dialogue". … Libby Emmons
Vote those politicians OUT OF OFFICE and change the law! Return to common sense.
So the truth is now potentially a crime?
Yes. It is exactly what this is as long as it doesn't include white people as the victim.
no longer 'potentially'
Unbelievable isn’t it!!??
Sadly so.
It's rational to us normal folk but sadly not to the powers that be.
YES,THATS WHY I GET BANNED FOR 24 HOURS BY YT.
Support freedom of speech and say what you fucking want.
HEAR,HEAR.
All Scottish comedians may as well retire right now
Who's the clown 🤡 who just proved the point how dangerous it this law is..
A mechanism to deal with people government doesn't like.
Mathew Stadlen gets trolled for good reason, even here he's justifying this silly law.
Matthew, you confuse being trolled for being called out for the idiotic things you say!
when it comes to the crunch I wonder how thick his skin really is
Watching this again and Matthew demonstrating why this new law is so dangerous! You cannot change sex, fact. India Willoughby was born a man and is still a man. Having surgery and a certificate does not change my beliefs. It is hateful to me that a man put in a dress and thinks he’s a woman and expects me to agree. Matthew as a man can have no understanding why women are fighting for our spaces.
No man should be allowed to identify as a woman unless he has had it chopped off. Let's see how many want to be women then.
this is going to backfire in a big way the amount of people who are going to have their lives runied over this
Vote the SNP out
N E V E R
Won't happen there are too many freeloaders up here getting their freebies, the junkies get what they want , idle scroungers and the simple folk simply don't have a grasp of basic economics. Its what any government really wants a dumb, thick, poorly educated prole class living on handouts from their masters.
@@jake751 You upvoted yourself, didn't you? Eh? Eh? You little racal, you
They are not the majority and need the greens. Most normal Scots don’t vote for them.
@@jake751 good luck with that
Mathew clearly isn't man enough to say the truth.
Maybe you're just weak to accept the truth. 😊
@@jake751 which is ?
@@jake751 biology does care about feelings
There is absolutely no reason for the police to get involved over hurt feelings. This is exactly what Orwell was warning against.
As an Irishman talking to my Scottish brothers and sisters. Do you have any idea of the consequences of letting this law pass? Sorry folks but one of the few rights that should be emphatically unalienable is the right to free speech and you have just lost yours. Holy mother of God!
It's gonna wind up an Islamic blasphemy law.
Mate please stop. Muslims don’t even agree with transgenderism how tf is this gonna turn into a Islamic blasphemy law when Muslims believe a man is man and a woman is a woman? 😭
Sincerely a Muslim who lives in Scotland since she was born!
William Wallace, "They will never take our freedom"
SNP, "Hold my beer, Challenge Accepted"
Helen Joyce is magnificent!
Helen Joyce is incredible.
Anyone else just completely unable to get over how bizarre and stupid this whole thing is? And how it just came out of nowhere suddenly about ten years ago, prior to which this just wasn't a thing, and now half the population is on board with it. It's just _weird,_ it's like being in the Twilight Zone.
Yes i'm with you mate, whole thing utter lunacy.
Or Orwells 1984. We hear a lot about alleged historic sex crimes. No doubt this conversation will, in years to come, be a hate speech crime. The real winners are the lawyers who will represent anyone if there's enough money on offer no matter how warped the new law is
2012 WAS when it "ended" we just didn't know exactly HOW. Fully half the population had their brains baked. They're irrational, more violent, more unhinged, and more assured of their certitude than ever before.
There have been waves of these manufactured obsessions, which serve as disintegrating factors in themselves and as distractions from other evils. They reveal that the msm has been Pravda for a long time.
Stadlen is so wrong here . . .
His assertion that it is "hate speech" to express a perfectly reasonable opinion is desperatly misplaced - such desperation to force a concocted authodoxy onto others is shocking . . .
Stadlen attempts to bully his way through any debate - this has become his his trade mark, but here it is exceptionally repugnant and damaging
No matter how someone 'identifies' - with or without hormonal and physical alteration.. the person will always have the chromosomes of a male or female that they were born with, as well as the skeletal system. It is not hateful to point out reality. The world is truly mad, when a role play situation, may be reported as a form of hate crime if you don't go along with all aspects of the delusion.
@@inverross9019 Being forced to go along with it by the law is an extraordinary imposition - we will have many who will resist this tyranny . .
It's to bring in a blasphemy law
This is what happens when you vote non-natives into the PM seat! Or into Parliament, as the matter of fact! 👎👎👎
A few years ago it was ‘Believe all women’, now it’s ‘Women are not allowed to say what they think’.
Kind of always been like that I believe
Emily Pankhurst would be enraged
It's Hamas Yousef anti-human rights law.
Love Helen Joyce! The voice of reason, reality and common sense.
Weaponised - it’s a bloody blasphemy law
Hello? It’s disrespectful and hateful when a MAN appropriates and impersonates a woman. Ffs 🤦🏻♀️ it goes both ways. Women have feelings too!
Like Riley Gaines says “If you’re calling me ‘transphobic’, by the same standards/rules you must be misogynistic.”
Has safeguarding now gone out the window? I looks like it. Has everyone really forgotten about all the viplence against women
Has anyone noticed how often in comments on various sites, the word "Woman" is not used? They always use the general, plural word "Women" which does not even sound the same, it's a different pronunciation. So is it that the individual identity of a woman is being erased, and changed into a general crowd, rather like women in burkas all looking the same?
That Matthew person seems to think a man waving a certificate about has the right to use women's showers, as opposed to a man without a certificate who is only 'self IDing'. Neither has changed sex. I hope he doesn't have any daughters relying on him to keep them safe.
That panelist man in the studio really just said that calling someone a man is offensive? Like the word "man" is a slur equivalent to the n-word?
Get rid of the snp and close down the Scottish Parliament, get back to a Scottish Office. It will be shite, but better than this piss.
Born male, forever male. Arrest me.
@trinitybassguitar-ru6dz I have PTSD from witnessing this misgendering D:
Love that name Jinky 👍🍀
I worship Satan
Destroy me 😂