“Women’s Safety Directly Threatened By Different Cultures!” Alex Phillips FUMES Over Ezedi Asylum
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- Опубліковано 26 бер 2024
- TalkTV's Alex Phillips expresses her anger over reports that chemical attacker Abdul Ezedi was granted asylum to the UK due to his conversion to Christianity.
A raft of previously confidential documents disclose for the first time how the man police believe carried out a harrowing chemical attack earlier this year had been allowed to stay in the UK even though he had a criminal conviction.
The rarely-made-public immigration tribunal court papers, obtained by media organisations after legal representations, laid bare the lengths the Afghan national went to evidence his religious conversion from Islam.
The papers also suggested that some of those who supported him during the process were aware of his crimes, with him even signing an agreement to be effectively escorted during church services as a result.
Former Met detective Peter Bleksley joins the Cross Talk panel to discuss Abdul Ezedi’s asylum case and the threat to women’s safety.
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#abdulezedi #immigration #migration #asylum #crime
The judge who gave him asylum needs to be disbarred.
The judge wasn’t given details of the previous sexual offences & had to go on the documents in front of him. He cannot therefore send an apostate to a country that would execute him, I’m not defending that but it’s a fact. The fact is we cannot send anyone back to Afghanistan at all.
Supposed to be a Christian country why is there a Pakistan flag flying on top of Westminster Abbey?
That doesn't add up.
@@aaronjameslockwood2437 Mayha Tousi reported on it and has a video of it being raised up. What next
This week is Holy Week before Easter - a Christian part of our country.
Is he the guy from strictly?
Just surprised we are allowed to celebrate it in Britain with the people that have been placed in power here unelected@@paulinechapman8348
The church must now take full responsibility for the actions of this terrorist. don't tell me it wasn't their fault.
It was down to the government. They're the only ones with the power to deport.
Do you expect otherwise, what with woke Welby's stance on this?!
Agreed, also who was the judge and what payroll were they on?
Yes they can pay compensation to the family whose lives are have now damaged.
@@sharonrichardson3568right
Justin Welby should be sacked
He should have been sacked a long while back!
He should be in jail
I heard it said earlier that Welby isn't responsible for baptist clergy, because I thought it also.
(Not sure who is - but someone absolutely should be ofc)
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The church should not be interfering in political affairs
Women and children are at risk in this country
The elderly and men . Are they out of harms way .
@@basilmagnanimous7011
Not getting enough attention at home, are we...?
And men.
Everyone is.
Everyone is at risk. The women voted for left wing policies and shame anyone who says anything vaguely racist. You deserve what you tolerate. Of course they'll blame men for not protecting them after theyve made their own neighborhoods ghettos.
IMHO, women's safety has always been under attack as long as islamics are in this country.
Precisely, Women's safety is upmost important.
As we saw with thousands of children
& we say labour say shut up victim's for the sake of diversity. It's disgusting
& kids especially
Exact agreement 100 %.
Alex is right. People will accuse her of racism but she’s speaking the truth. More public figures should have the guts to call this out!
She is absolutely right! I am brown born Muslim and I do think exactly the same.
The judge should be in jail
Why isn't the judge charged? Why isn't he/she sacked and banned from practicing any form of law? These judges need to be held accountable.
Judges are immune. They never face the consequences. Same with politicians and the church. That’s why it keeps happening.
The judge is human and nothing to do with evil behaviour of others
COWARDICE!!!
@@lena2415 Being human has nothing to do with the job the judge has to do as an officer of the law meaning applying the JUSTICE SYSTEM we have in place against criminals, and if the criminal is a refugee or an illegal, he should be DEPORTED, the judge is not in the humanitarian business, he needs to stay sharp and leave his own feelings/ emotions out of it and if they would that and the media will be more vocal to the fact that we have the country roamed by illegals and terrorists, the people would be more aware of the danger we live everyday harbouring these people!
@@lena2415you have zero standards, these professionals are held to a higher standard.
Peter Blecksly is brilliant . He should be PM
Bang On
Problem is nobody is listening ; nobody cares in the UK. Shameful.
@@basilmagnanimous7011Agree
Tommy Robinson is releasing a film on Islamic gang rape in Telford
The indigenous people do care but they are hog tied by our politicians and their overlords.
What or who is making you too scared to stand by your beautiful country,
@@jennifercader8055 OUR GOVERNMENT. WEAK BASTARDS
His conversion was temporary as he had a Muslim funeral.
Maybe the church can explain why he had a full Muslim funeral. Not a Christian one. The priest retired or not and his boss the Archbishop of Canterbury should be charged with complicity. Either sack the Archbishop or jail him.
He definitely needs replacing.
Gaslighting continues to happen to the British people.
The Minister concerned was not a priest but a Baptist Minister . His boss was not the Archbishop of Canterbury who is an Anglican. Do not ruin a good case against an obvious scoundrel by inaccurate facts.
Well said
I bet he wasn't buried in a common / Paupers grave
Omg Tommy Robinson was saying this years ago but no one wanted to know and called him far right. You need him on your show.
@darrenprince2044 Our Tommy Robinson is not far right, he has always been right. An absolute top man!
@@goffthomas2554 amen brother
He’s also a liberal.
He is being proved right over and over.
I am south african and live in south africa and I love and agree with Tommy! He has been right for yrs , so has Katie!!!
This woke BS has gone too far now and needs dealing with
Vote Reform , they will escort the immigrants back to France , by sending boats into the English Channel and escorting them back , it’s common sense .. Richard Tice himself has said illegal immigrants would be sent back to their own country where they belong . This government are allowing immigrants to come into the UK by thousands a week , to live free , giving them money to start their own business , ( can you believe this BS ) our own people don’t have that privilege . Starmer is getting ready to build thousands of new houses to house the immigrants , we are being taken over by these people and NOTHING is being done to stop it . VOTE REFORM UK .. They will act for this country , let’s get our country back , and not be taken over by the Islamic way of life , it’s happening now , let’s band together and vote these Tory’s out , don’t vote Labour they’re just as bad 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧✝️
I love Alex. She certainly won't be scared into silence.
Can anyone explain me what did she say about Morocco plz?
Please deport the ones in prison.
Why is everyone so worried about being called a racist?
it is not sexy
I'd rather be called a racist then a victim.....that's how it has b3come these days isn't it ?
I don’t care. Call me racist, I stay safe and vigilant that way!
This was England the last time I looked. I won't be accountable for my actions if im attacked by an Immigrant Again.🤬
You will be held accountable, even if you write o youtube that you won't be
Kevwalker. So you are OK with women being attacked then. 🙄 As I said that won't happen again . If it was to, I will not not be held accountable for my actions. Fact is when you report it no one cares ,the police don't care,why should I .. I have had personal experience with this.
@@rachelcaullay172Go on girl!!
@@kevwalker5714she won’t mate, it’s the UK police.
Andddd I think you’ll find attitudes have finally flipped in the UK, if this lady defends herself against sexual abuse from anyone she’ll be supported by the entire country.
Go get em tiger 🐅
This man is brilliant. If only we had a prime minister like this.
Put the appeal court judge on trial
Racist is no longer an insult. TRUTH will out. Right wing = RIGHT SO FAR.
Racism is discriminating against a person because of the colour of someone's skin. This isn't what this is. I don't view it as racist in any way.
its nothing to do with racism, its certain cultures we object to, we don't care how much melanin is in your skin, its irrelevant. But what is relevant is the miss use of words like racism, and using words without knowing their meanings
What about the reports that there are Muslim gangs in prison and non Muslims for their own safety are being forced to convert. What’s Welby got to say about that?
Alex is my hero 👍❤️
It really is unbelievable that he was allowed to stay but just proves the government don't really care.
Or they are overwhelmed and still won't dump ECHR so they can get on with their jobs without dealing with lib lawyers.
It's not just the Gov it's ALL politicians and political parties and the civil service, justice and immigration system that don't care. As a woman I'm sick and tired of being deliberately put in danger by politicians, police, immigration and civil service etc just so they can feel good about themselves and push their ideologies, beliefs and agendas at mine and other women's expense.
Of course not , he was one of their own kind !
the Tories have cut government departments to the bone and continue to do so, its no surprise nothing is done, his file was probably on a pile that would take ten years to process by the few staff left.
It isn't lack of money or cut backs, it's the type of person employed to do the job which is in question.
eg. Braverman reported the problems she was encountering in making changes to policies and introducing new ones in Home Office.
Policies she made to deal with contentious issues etc were not being enforced because employees didn't agree with the changes. The employees are there to do a job. If they don't like it, then leave or run for office. There's plenty out there who'd replace them.
Shortly afterwards, Braverman was sacked.
So my question is - who is really running this country into the ground and why?
@@GreatSageSunWukong
Why do you think the Europeans want to send them to UK.
Because they don't want them either, the right wing anti immigration parties are now on the rise big time in western Europe.
The church are the same as every part of our establishment, 100% complicit in all of this.
Compromised
Who exactly is 'the church'? Are you aware there are hundreds of thousands of churches and the majority are not under the Cof E, they are independent small churches. There are thousands who feel like the rest of the citizens Don't lump them all together! Each one varies just as each business does depending on their leaders. Even within the CofE there are huge differences in opinion about what is happening and many are not in agreement with the left naivety or Welby!
@@audreyblack8629 Ok the C of E, I don't see anyone standing up to Welby or his nonsense it has been going on for years. If their is that much dissent why doesn't the church split, if something radical doesn't happen soon Christianity will be dead in this country.
All religion across the world is a poison
I dont care what they call me.Racist or a bigot .I would rather be me than one of them
Hear, hear.
Damn right.
Me too!
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I'm Spartacus
The Church clearly shouldnt have any say.
Who exactly is 'the Church'?
By 'the Church' you mean the Baptist minister, right?
We need to sue the government , who is with me ?
Shut up and sit down. You won’t do nothin
The jails aren't too full for Alex Belfield or Sticker man.
Right! Upside down world.
Despite what you think of Alex. He was punished because he was voicing his opinions, and 'they' didn't like it. He was constantly exposing the lies, deceit, and corruption in the police force.
Exactly!
This is the way our justice system works. It is an outrage what happened to Sam Melia. Criminals are getting of scot free every day. He was jailed For putting stickers up ! Whilst I don't always agree with Alex Bellfield. He is being punished for exploiting corruption. I am so tired of all of this. Deport the illegals. Dont punish our Patriots.
@@Seekingsophia00Wasn't it stalking?
How was this man who converted to Christianity receive a Muslim burial
Who paid for his burial? Most people I know can't afford it and have to make do with a crimation! That's what I'd like to know
Because he managed to gaslight everyone.
Exactly mate my mum for 1@@kerryvallucci9769
@myallotment. Simple...he was a Muslim.
They are told to lie to infid,els.
Not just women it's kids aswell this country have let us down big time
And our disgraceful disrespectful politicians that allowed this to happen don't give a monkeys arse regards british citizens vote reform uk to give us a chance to get our culture back but not holding my breath,I believe this invasion has screwed the uk,come on lotto win,then I can move to Russia where the real leader looks after its citizens
The born citizens and future born citizens have also been failed by these woke inclusive idiots in power ! Disgraceful
Blame the Church
Blame the home office
Blame the woke judges
Blame the RNLI Taxi Service
Blame the European Laws
Blame the spinless prime minister !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He has had a musi burial so he obviously wasnt a christian the home office has blood on its hands
I once loved a proud, prosperous, contented and safe United Kingdom. I now loathe an unrecognisable and alien land.
This country has got terminal cancer I’m afraid. Absolutely disgusting from the government. Sold us all to the devil.
If a bus driver made a careless mistake that cost someone their life he would be charged.
Why aren't politicians charged for making decisions that do great harm to people?
Because, they're rich and powerful
they are rich at our expense and we are the ones that allow them to think they have any power its down to the fact the people don't take that back @@SamuelBlack84
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Good point!
That would be their own people
I here he was given a Muslim burial.......why if he converted , the church needs to answer for this criminals actions
The judge should be sacked and be held accountable
My fiancé and I are 32, and are so worried about starting a family in the country we’re literally selling everything and moving to New Zealand. I’m sick and tired of the lies and apologies towards terrorism and, let’s face it, Islamic culture being propagated throughout society. I’m not giving another penny in tax to the UK! I’m fortunate I can get out, but I feel very worried about the future of Britain. It’s all so deeply lamentable at the moment.
I don’t blame you.Obviously it’s money most of us haven’t got so we will have to keep putting up with what’s going on.
Take me with ya mate..I'm 6ft but I reckon I could contort to fit in your hand luggage..I'll give you a drink😂
I'm only 5ft 1.. I'll easily fit in your luggage.. please can I come???
@@missgreeneyesx3512 ..yo missgreeneyes I'm Mr Bright blue eyes..let's not make this a competition..I was here 1st and I offered him a drink 🫡😂
I don't blame you both I can only leave this dump uk if I win the lotto
I was sexually assaulted by a migrant 6 months ago. I was told by the police that there is really not much point in pressing charges because it's my word against his. I was already so fragile the thought of being cross examined on the stand when I have very little recolection of events due to being drugged was too much, so I gave up on that one. Now he's just out there... terrifying.
Omg what kind of police force do we have how dare they ??????????
@@carolineok11 I think they were trying to help me avoid the trauma of court . Only 1% are convicted.
Police don't take women seriously. Women police officers I actually found worse than men.
I wouldn't go to them now.
I'd never been in trouble, he had, but I was made to feel like a mental idiot.
You have my sympathy.
Look after you 👍
I’m sorry such a thing happened to you. This shouldn’t have happened but our government made this possible.
I’m so sorry you had to suffer that
What happened?
This old copper is the salty type we need in the police force now. I dont think he'd take to kindly to having to wear a rainbow flag badge.
De-frock Justin Welby now , we cannot have a Pakistani flag flying around n Westminster Abbey someone in government do something to stop this.
Well unfortunately , the Uk government is run by Muslims, & Pakistanis , with more interest in Middle East , then in UK 🇬🇧 :
Has Sunak woken up yet or still in bed?
It’s disgusting how our country is being treated
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Anyone got a helicopter.?
How on earth was that man still in the UK after the first refusal, let alone the second? How?
Probably he was already wanted for sex crimes in his own country, and couldn't be sent back "for his own protection "
Corrupt foreign lawyers and judges not born here and with no allegiance to Britain.
there needs to be a class action lawsuit against the government for dereliction of duty
How do we do that?
I’ve been saying that for ages. Lets us on here start it, any solicitors out there willing to take this on.
@user-dv3rb6nl4c good idea....crowd fund to pay for it too.
Any lawyers that could advise?
Well said I echo every word you say. Thank you.
And let the police do there job!!!
Well said Alex.
Why is it that Denmark is the only country to publish the originality of perpetrators of crimes? It's a very interesting breakdown that a lot of people don't want to see!
They will never disclose them as they know exactly who is doing what here. It’s an absolute disgrace.
MI5 must be very busy these days.
Excellent idea!
@@user-hf1pg2ey6lthey don’t seem to be doing Anything actually
They would never do it, as they would have to acknowledge that 'the Right' were indeed correct after all.
The withholding of the grooming gang report perfectly exemplifies this.
Landing on British shores without permission and without documentation is against our laws ie ILLEGAL. Anyone doing that should be refused (as a known criminal against our laws) permission to apply for asylum. What is more, the operators of the boats who are bringing criminals to our shores illegally (ie Borderforce and RNLI) should be arrested for aiding of trafficking.
I’m in East Sussex on the coast and I can tell you first hand that people have stated that they have ceased to make contributions to RNLI. They rely on people’s charity and the great job they have done in the past is being tainted by their massive part in bringing in the illegals. That’s the facts of it.
I used to give to the RNLI not any more.
It doesn't matter what you think of the government but they are trying to get rid of the illegals but Stammer and the woke judges keep stopping them from doing so. CofE is itself why people are turning away from religion in this country they prefer to support the illegals rather than their own parishioners 😢
@@susanmills4843Same 👍
To right
Thank god that this is actually being talked about openly, because us women have had to put up with this for years since we have opened the doors to anybody!
Well said Alex!
ITS GOING TO BE A BIG ST GEORGE'S DAY PEOPLE👍😁🇫🇴! PATRIOTS ARE GETTING OUT IN MASS TO SHOW SOLIDARITY TO OUR COUNTY AND EACH OTHER🇬🇧👌!!!
Perhaps a few placards saying " Protect our women and children from rape and abuse" might be acceptable, Perhaps they may talk about that in Parliament, but I would not hold my breath!! Neither would I hold my breath to it making front page news!!
Absolutely will be buying everyone in the pub a drink & making a great day of it.🎉🎉🎉
Where will it be celebrated in the midlands
@@philipbrown5468 Look on line
I'm in Australia but I would come and join you. I hope the middle class English come out and make an appearance. Am I right in thinking you haven't heard much from them?
At which point do we say "Enough is enough"? I don't know about you lot, but I crossed that line a long time ago!! F**king fuming!!!
When on holiday in Malaysia some years ago they had a mandatory death sentrnce for rape or the sexual abuse of a child. We need this in this country too!
We still do. Also for drugs and trafficking
I visited the Pudu jail in KL just after it became a museum. UK prisons are like holiday camps, they get paid for working, can buy goods from shops & sell at inflated prices to other prisoners, have pool tables, table tennis, TVs, cinema, education blocks . . . It's pathetic. When they make dirty protests putting their own crap everywhere & smash up their cells, others have to clean it up and they're moved to a new cell. They should be left in their own filth not pampered to like spoilt children but society demands that we treat them with dignity & compassion as its their human right. And to add insult to injury we, the tax payers, pay to keep them in style!! But what about the rights of the rest of society to live safely in our homes, on the streets or at work?? There is no dignity left for a woman who's been raped or a child abused. High time to protect the victims & not the criminals!
Are you having a laugh
The lady is correct, I avoid these people as far as I can (crossing the street ect).
Protect our culture and women.🎚️🇬🇧🎚️🙏🏻
Westminster Abbey has today put a Pakistan flag flying on top of abbey this is Church of England church not a mosque and not Muslim church and Wesley is absolute disgrace and is part of the problem in this country
Same churches in Luton have palastine terrorist flags on it .
Disgusting
You have to be joking me this is absolutely crazy you will not find a British flag on a mosque in any Muslim country around the world I can promise that. I’m Christian and have been to many Muslim countries for work so I know. They do not allow it so why does England allow this? If they don’t tighten things up the country will eventually succumb to Islam because this is what they are all about then you will be living their way or no way.
It's up to church people to vote with their feet and money.
Looks like history will repeat itself.
We have a spineless government who are afraid to say anything in case their labelled as racist we need a really TOUGH PM and government
The Authorities view the natives as the main threat.
Threat to What ? The F
👏👏👏👏well done for having the guts for having this hideous subject bought out and spoken about, NOW we need to do something about it.
As an ex copper too we took flashing very seriously because we KNEW today's flasher was tomorrow's rapist 😮
Yes and today's flashers are just identifying as women and going into girls/ladies changing rooms to openly flash and if we complain we are just called transphobic bigots...by todays' police.
Shame on the church and patriarchy 🤬
Pretty sure you’re crying for the patriarchy to come back right now because this wouldn’t be happening otherwise.
It's not racist, it's cultur'ist, and there's a massive difference. You can't plonk single young men of a hugely different culture, including attitude to women, into a liberal culture, and not expect a time bomb.
Lived in the community, I see clearly the coming problem.
I always covered up when I went out
Going into Birmingham one day I wore a skirt and heels.
Only a short walk to the train.
On the way back a car pulled along side me (I was nearly home) a young man shouted several times how much ?
I didn't look again , just kept walking. I was glad to get home.
I was in my mid 50s , old enough to be his mom/gran.
A friend in her 20s was surrounded by a group of men asking her same, she told them to "F off " and get out of her way.
They spat in her face.
Yes it's cultural.
White women to some are easy fodder.
It's disgusting.
Idk I think it’s education too. A lot of “brown men” are respectful and don’t wake up one day and decide to perform acid Attacks. This man wasn’t educated here …
I can't see why the people responsible not going their job properly aren't being arrested and charged.
So many people in the UK dropping the ball and not protecting the public. Shameful and unprofessional not to do their paid jobs and causing more mayhem than is necessary in a civilised society. This includes the CofE, Home Office and police.
The US Department Of State put the UK on a Yellow Travel Warning list last year which is the second highest. One of the reasons is the risk to American women traveling to the UK.
It's mostly London, Birmingham and luton mate. Most people dont live in those shtholes. Good stuff though.
That's so sad to here but I understand why😢
Utterly disgraceful.
They have turned young women and children into fodder.
I live in London. I don't go out
@@terranaxiomukRotherham.
Why act like they care now? 1000 years to train Euopean men to accept women have rights, thrown to the wind in 30 years of mass migration, hope these lads can bring their wives over ASAP before they start looking for second or third ones
Western women are marrying those antiwomen lads....why?
They don't want to bring over their original wives. They want a new white wife and endless benefits.
Religion AND Islam has this Country by the bollox
Yep,and they bloody know it!
This government think we the public are fools. I am going to stop paying my council tax, I mean it. I will do time in prison as a protest. My kids are all grown up. I will do it for them and my grand children. Everyone boycott council tax in protest.
That’s negligence. Arrest the appeal judge please. No platitudes please, just arrest them now.
Sexual predators are allowed to stay because our government doesn't care about us. I think they want it to happen 😢
I’m a native not a citizen. Citizens are from whatever country except this one. Yet the council call me racist for this
Well said Peter!
A lot of women dont want to hear this but proper british men need to protect them.
Wow….this woman is just….amazing. Thank you for making a stand. ❤
Hope the church is going to pay reparations to these victims of these crimes now not in 200 years time.
If we still had the death penalty the prisons would not be full .
I didn’t nt even know why Afghanistan was allowed to come here!?
Any Muslim country can.I a woman I have had the death stare & I was shaking,it’s going to be horrific 😢
@@janeburke147yes as a female isla. Is a horrific proposition
Brave enough to say it how it is ... 👏👏👏
I wish that more women would be brave enough to say it as it is.
As a white male who loves and protects women and who has done so all my life, I am fed up with being tarred with the brush of misogyny, chauvinism, sexism etc... when we are not the culprits.
White men have had this crap heaped on them for years, and not enough white women have stood up for them.
We're here, dude. I was attacked by one of these monsters one night, I screamed and two of my countrymen came running. I owe those men my life.
I have and will continue to support our white men, you guys are being dragged through the crap by the media and lots of people are still blind to it. In all my years I have had the misfortune to be assaulted on 2 separate occasions and had a knife put to my face. The men who did these things to me were not white, just my experience but has taught me all I need to know.
@@Madonnalitta1did you go to the media.I’m so sorry 😢
@@Madonnalitta1 thankfully there was someone decent near by. It's a sad state this country has become.
Thks f looking out f us; wish more guys like u lived near me an my sisterhood.
I'm scared
OUR GOVERNMENT HAVE GIVEN ISLAM A FREE PASS FOR DECADES
Ezedi was a true Christian convert......yes, buried today by Muslim Rites.
They should make them denounce islam before they are accepted into the church. Guaranteed they won't
Well said, Alex. Regards from Blighty :).
And this is why I’ve moved my daughter out of the country.
The church should be giving that poor lady and her kids some of that money they insist on giving to other countries. They have had their lives destroyed because of the church it's the least they could do to help her out.
I know why these lists won't be published ... so do you!
The Baptist Church needs to take a good long hard look at how they are sponsoring people - not just in the UK but here in Canada too.
They are totally naive about the dangers they think they can bring these people to God .
Great work Alex!!!!
If only our government cared!!!!
An asylum seeker's lawyer(s) can play on all the strange rules the system puts at his disposal - and completely free of charge. Other law-abiding citizens cannot do that. And not free at all. A rotten system.
Who are these judges and clergy bring them all to account and the very lawyers who represent these dregs
Absolutely 💯 spot on!
Nothing must interfere with the great replacement
I don't believe that Abdul is dead. I don't believe he was found in the Thames - it's a cover-up.
He's living at leftie Gary linekars house
Spot on in every way
Peter Bleksley what a BRILLIANT HONEST HUMAN !! I TAKE MY HAT OF TO YOU SIR 🙏
Been saying it for years predators go for the weakest! British women hold our hearts so whats it going to take!!! Seriously what is it going to take.
It’s making a mockery of Christianity!
I agree I definitely don't feel safe , I was in Next in the ladies changing room in Nottingham and an Arab looking guy, with another woman came into the cubicle next to me, he then urinated all over the floor!!! I'm still in shock that someone can be so utterly disgusting! I informed the staff who confronted them and then they just matched out the store!!!!! I'm amazed the police were not called!
Parliament and the Lords are wholly to blame for this and need to be brought to account
Why, in 2024 is the home secretary meeting with any type of religious 'leader'.
Who cares what they have to say about anything?