This is the first time I've seen an interviewer point out that by writing her book she was dismantling the patriarcy, and that breaking the fantasy of that world was brave. Loved so much of this meeting of my two favourite podcasters
@@camilanovalifeShe’s not trashing Cristal! They’re doing a book review of her book ! Not their fault if things in it are false ! She did that to herself! I supported her in the beginning! But then she full on bullied Bridget via video for everyone to see . Holly also saw it and that’s when she lost support
I got to meet Holly about 10 years ago, it was a brief encounter at a friends house. She was the sweetest most genuine and gracious person and I am so happy to see her growing success. She is a kind soul and I believe truly deserves it. 😃💗
So much packed into this interview. My biggest takeaway is Holly's advice to girls...."any time the partner wants to move too fast". Sage advice from one who knows.
I cant tell you you how deliciously satisfying it is to watch these female celebrities speak up and speak out for women. Your bravery does not go unoticed ❤
Thank you for having openly autistic women on. I really appreciate Holly sharing her story and bringing awareness to how much autistic women are prone to being taken advantage of.
I’m 54 and just discovered in the last year that I am on the spectrum & I finally have some peace because I always felt there was something and couldn’t never figure it out. Nor did any of my therapists over the years. I’m grateful to hear more adults talk about it, especially women.
I remember seeing her on TV at the mansion and just being impressed with her intelligence. She seemed too smart and classy for that environment. I’m glad she reinvented herself out of it.
I don’t see any reinvention? Everything she’s doing is about Playboy still, 17 years later. We still see the same misogynistic behavior towards other women, and reinforcement of the same beauty standards. On her pod, she talks about all the plastic surgery she gets, always anti aging treatments as if it’s unthinkable for a woman to age naturally, and how Holly’s always on restricted diets like keto. She went on tangents how she does laser treatments, really wanted “hand rejuvenation” injections next, and did in-office cellulite treatments recently. It is fine if you wanna do plastic surgery more power to you, ….but it isn’t a reinvention. It’s the same misogyny as Playboy. It’s what she promotes. Even quite literally, as Holly’s podcast is sponsored in part by SomoBello liposuction company. Listeners get to hear it all being promoted. I’d like to see some more growth. Hef was a bad guy, we all feel her on that. But show us how you’re different.
If she has a thing about beauty that's probably one nitore thing that drew her into his web. She seems very introspective and changed in many ways with lots of life lessons learned.
I've always loved Holly and found her to be classier and more articulate than most in that environment. Thank you for handling some of these uncomfortable topics with grace. You're a great interviewer and Holly was an awesome guest.
It sounds like Hef picked “small town girls” because he knew they’d be far from home, face increased shame if they went home, and he could keep them isolated and dependent. That he blocked them from therapy and sent them to a pre-approved person who would support their dependence is so abusive.
Step one, isolate Step two, alienate from friends and fam Step three, take financial control Step four, prevent victim from working if you're living with them ,you're really screwed.... I've been there. A lot of abusers, go for women who have been previously assaulted or grew up in an abusive household. They look for women who might be struggling with addiction, or just their own demons. Hugh Hefner definitely fits this mo. He was feeding girls drugs for God sakes. He gave them an allowance, but it's never enough to actually do anything with such as go back to school or start a business. It's all manipulation, the money is just to make you believe that you're free. I'm so proud of Holly for doing this interview 💯 And I'm definitely going to be analyzing it on my channel❤
@@JHall8888 left how ? With what money ? If I’m not mistaken, even the car that she drove, was Hughes…. So in what car was,she supposed to get in and leave? Also , where was she to go? (Some people like myself, have zero living family) What if ,her family wasn’t able to have her back in the home. It’s not as easy as just packing your things and leaving 😅(I wish it were) I know personally, I stayed because I had money tied up in business dealings with my abuser. Not only that , after almost 20 years, he was the only family I felt like I had. Because I had been brainwashed! In a codependent relationship🙄 And I never dated the man 💯 Abuse comes in so many forms. I’m glad holly escaped and is flourishing♥️
I'm so glad this pod was recommended to me. I'm 40, and I love how all the 90s and early 00s folks are doing podcasts now, and I feel like I'm digging deeper into all these people I knew so long ago. Plus listening to Mayim makes me feel smarter, lol.
Hefner's Playboy mag (and other media) was NEVER about empowering women. It's first and only goal was the sexual gratification of men. His mag would adapt itself to the current culture only to provide men with advice on how to get laid, what they had to wear and say to entice women. Any attempt to notice women's rights was with the angle of placating them to get sex. I never saw women modeling for Playboy, or working in the club as empowering or embracing their sexuality. It was always coercive in my view. I know there are some who disagree, and I fail to understand how they can delude themselves into thinking that way.
Absolutely agree. I don't recall the models having their younger selves photos in the magazine. My father left mags everyone and I read a few but my point is as a woman in her forties, three kids and married, Im thoroughly grossed out by the younger pics being apart of it. Like fantasizing about the girls prepubescent.. 😳 I always found playboy and hustler grotesque.
I can see how the term "empowering" can be applicable to young women who feel "empowered" in so far that their beauty allows them to manipulate men or make easy money. Girls I have known that were strippers felt "in charge" of their own finances by making way more money than they could any other way, being young with no real world work experience. Same can be said of any only fans girl in today's world that makes money from providing that sort of content. Is this healthy? Probably not, but "empowered" for young beautiful women who are just starting to see how their looks can influence those around them and provide opportunity that others can't get is a real thing. The delusion in those young women, is thinking that that way of living will last forever. When developing an actual skill-set and personality will serve them in the long run.
Hef’s long time secretary said “he keeps the ones with the broken wings.” And the story of every one these ladies who had a long term relationship with that guy had broken wings.
That's so sad and quite awful... We had a friend/roommate that was a playmate and she said he was just old and creepy. She also said that the mansion wasn't as awesome as everyone thought. At least not the house that she got to stay in with all the girls. She said that part was old. I thought that was interesting to hear from a person in real life.
People who never experienced manipulation on this level, will never understand how difficult it is to break from it. I guess this is the best podcast to litterally break it down to understand how this whole process can simply devour you and your personality. Leaving abuse behind you is just a first (crutial) step and healing is journey has many bends and bumps but its so worth it to find your true self during it. Massive thanks to Holly to keep going and just showing how you can set yourself free 💗 Also (again) breaking from an image of autistic person as we were shown for year on the media. There is a reason who its called a spectrum. Can you be proud of someone who you never met in person and probably never will? I guess you can 💪🏻
Mayim asked the best and most interesting questions. I've listened to many interviews with Holly and this was by far the most intelligent, respectful and thoughtful. 💛
Love Holly always have. I never judged her before, during or after the mansion. I think she was the main fan favorite. Her journey is unbelievable. I’ve always been proud of her for leaving the mansion bc she was too good for gross Hefner. We have all been in bad relationships. I loved when her book came out and bought it. I hadn’t read a book since childhood. I’m happy she seems styled and has two children. I’ll always want to see what she’s up to. Hope she finds her full happiness. She has always deserved it❤️💯🙏🏼😊
I love Holly and have watched quite a few interviews with her, and you definitely went one step further with every question, which was very much appreciated by me but also by her, I think. The smiles between the two of you feel very genuine, and this was so interesting to watch. Thanks!
I’m glad to see Mayim’s reaction when she was talking about the bedroom…after 20 years since watching them, I just didn’t realize what they were doing, I was shocked. I feel for these women, they were so young…
32:40 "it was a shit storm in my head" seems like the perfect summation of what this experience was for all the girls in that situation. I'm so happy for any of the women that came out the other side of Hefs influence with any shred of mental health, since sooo many are still dealing with the trauma.
I was so insulted that Mayim thought all Canadians have opinions about logging... And then I remembered that all my friends in my 20s were tree planters and I worked at a sawmill. Nevermind.
I only wish I could have heard this story before I married my second husband. Holly’s story is so informative and gives telling red flags to look for. I was so clueless to what “love bombing” is! Everything in this interview is important to all women and men.
I noticed something in the first 2 minutes. I am on the spectrum, diagnosed in my 40’s. I notice her blinking and the eye closing when she discusses things that are emotionally charged, my doctor pointed that out with me. I do it any time I’m uncomfortable and can’t look people on the eye, it physically is uncomfortable and a trait many on the spectrum share. I’m proud of her for being vulnerable and speaking out ❤
Mayim, I’m loving this podcast! You are so bright and so very kind and respectful to your guests and you are picking really great people to join you! I watched you on tv over the years on all of the shows and I’m thrilled to see you enjoying such success!
This interview was remarkable. Her insightful self-awareness was just a stunning and refreshing experience. Huge respect for her! As always, love you too Mayim and Jonathon, such a great podcast. I would like $5 for every time Mayim said “ you know” though, I think Mayim was a bit uncomfortable, thus that over used term. Doesn’t matter much because Holly was so unflappable. Excellent interview! 💗
Your comment reinforces my thought! I feel that Mayim was very uncomfortable doing this interview. I noticed a big difference in her wording and speech in general. Imo, Mayim has my full respect, whereas I don't feel at all that way towards Ms. Madison.
@@HummingbirdEighty8 Thanks for sharing the same observation of Mayim. I do enjoy her podcast, though some interviews are just not my point of interest, so I move on. Thought I would be doing that here, but found it rather impressive. 🙂
1st step: I will *omg crying as I write this* seek help I need. For many reasons, this podcast was what I was meant to hear today. Thank you Mayim for doing what you do, in a way, that is only you, and Holly, TY for describing your painful past to help others. Ain't as easy as it looks, I'm sure.
Can people in these comments stop comparing her to other women who have worked in "that world"? All of these comments of "I always thought she was smarter/classier than other girls in that environment/ line of work" like really do you hear yourself putting these women down? As if a woman has to be classy or smart to be deserving of respect. She's a person no matter if she does sex work or is a lawyer. Like listen to Holly talking about the other girls, you think she looks down on them, she's describing how the industry abuses women and makes them do things they might not want to do. Holly is an example of why all women deserve respect. Listen to her
YES!! Sex work and those who participate are vulnerable to being othered and categorized as some exotic species. Some of the "im so baffled, bemused and intrigued.." vibes can get a little much. And the "you're so well spoken" part is right there with that. It doesn't seem Holly took offense and I'm glad for that, but it's something to watch for.
As a teen I was obsessed with the show, it makes me so happy to see where Holly is now. She was clearly such a clever person who had such a future ahead of her. Despite the context I was watching her in she was inspirational
Met and spent time around Holly and her daughter and daughters father. She really is as she appears. Down to earth and approachable. I'm glad she's happy now.
Watching Holly's lack of eye contact is truly telling. People who are diagnosed later in life, the lack of eye contact happens later, because they've spent their whole life masking. As an adult who was also diagnosed at the age of 37, I respect these elements of human emotion. I call myself a Christ-follower, and my neurotypical partner gets angry sometimes because he wants me to call myself a Christian. To me, I only have so many spoons for each day and I use them first to brush my teeth, take a shower, put on makeup, make it to work.... and if I'm then able to make it home, wash my face, get to bed on time, then it's a blessed day. I'm not a millionaire, but I try so hard.
I'm not sure how I haven't found your page until now, but I love it!!! Mayim, you are the sweetest person. You are brilliant and have a HUGE heart. God bless you and yours.
Loves me some Holly and Bridgett. They're great. She's being pretty serious here, but she's also lowkey hilarious with her deadpan delivery at times. Fantastic women. You can tell they learned a lot through their experiences and they've guided them in a pretty great way, actually. 💖
It’s surprises me how much I relate to Holly. I hid under extra clothes when I was younger and was not ever in a non monogamous relationship (well, I was cheated on in past relationships). However, I still grew to have such similar ideas as Holly. The be careful of lovebombing thing has been my advice to others for over a decade except I didn’t use the term but just explained the sentiment/experience. It was my advice for those being lovebombed and those doing the lovebombing in the beginning of a relationship. I’d remind the love bomber to to ask themselves if it was love or infatuation. I’d ask them to if they were in love with the person or the idea of the person. I’d remind them that the person is a human being and be careful not to put them too high up on a pedestal because then they’ll just fall down.
Love how Holly has reinvented herself, especially watching her when I was younger. Love her podcast with Bridget and her book is great! I love that she came through to the other side of it all 🎉🎉
Don't. She has access to a lotttt of anti aging treatments and surgeries. I'm 34 and I feel weathered when I look at her too but I felt that way when watching her at 16! Of course she's naturally gorgeous but she has the ability to upkeep that which others don't always have access to
Really enjoying seeing Holly come into her power. This is a totally different person, and the more I listen to her, the more I like her and find her interesting. Keep going, girl!
@Mayim Bialek as an RBT and a huge advocate of autism. Wow Holly is my hero. As someone who identifies as neuro divergent as an adult. I find such validation and strength in knowing how many of us exist and are FINALLY understanding how WE process and apply. Thank you Mayim and Holly Madison wow you are a warrior. Thank you!!!
@MayimBialik you seem kimd hearted and intelligent but I think you came across quite judgemental and somewhat ignor*nt in this interview, things like how the playboy industry being "predicated on suspension of disbelief" and how essentially s*xu*l liberation is merely a fantasy and everyone who is unhappy etc .. and comparing posing n*de to basically 'cornography'. Firstly as much as I agree mass produced 'corn' is harmful to EVEYONE but posing n*de on its own without any kind of suggestive imagery or actual s*xu*l acts then it's not 'corn' wether people use it as that or not , the imagery itself is not. Secondly not everyone in polyamorous relationship is unhappy with it or in a ab*sive one like Holly nor are people who have more open relationship or are single and only have 'casual' relationships, some people enjoy it and are very happy. Secondly it's very ign*rant to just to take away from people that are s*xual liberated to deny them of that title and treat them as a puppet for the male gaze for the patriarchy. Yes these industries and lifestyles were founded and benefit men but its also greatly benefits women. Not everyone is as privileged as ypu to come from her financial and educational background, if someone isn't being taking advantage and freely choose to make money using their 'femininity' to appeal to male gaze to become successful then to me the joke is on the men, I see it as taking back contr*l of your own s*xual*ty and belive its very powerful and we are in nature sensual beings so who is anyone to act like expressing that is unnatural. There are people who have casual relationships, or are more open who are extraordinarily happy and feel strong, smart, successful and empowered who is anyone to tell them they are not. Essentially do you want women to be free and empowered or is it that you want you want them TO BE LIKE YOU, because that's not freedom. What you think is wrong or right isn't cannon, no one's opinion is, we all have our own opinions of good bad and right and wrong, for anyone to be so sure that what they believe MUST be correct is just narciss*st*c in my opinion. Or at least the act is. Ultimately as humans in this big universe, we know nothing, so let's not judge people different from us. Different isn't bad.
@@jadebel7006 Nudity for art and nudity for sexual exploitation are clearly different. I suppose there are a select few who don't feel exploited in some of these situations, but unfortunately most are indeed being used and exploited. Please don't discount that. There are way too many people trapped in situations they did not choose or were predisposed to gravitate toward that are extremely harmful and dangerous and abusive to them, if only on an emotional, mental and spiritual level.
Some people just want to belong to a group they think will help explain themselves. Like finding your tribe as an adolescent. The problem with some of these spectrums and diagnosis by exclusion is they end up being wrong by describing virtually every human on the planet. No way Holly actually is autistic. Sorry, not sorry. Anyone can give you the diagnosis that you want to hear. As smart and educated as Mayim is, she still subscribes to misogynistic standards for women informed by patriarchy.
It's interesting because Holly has said in the past that Bridget really was naturally the epitome of "Disney princess" (and known as "the girliest one" in the GND trio) so having Bridget as her best friend really helped Holly bring that aspect of fantasy into coping with life at the mansion - Holly at her core is more of the vintage Disney and 50s/60s cartoons era Oddly enough, Crystal Hefner is also obsessed with Disney and is even a Club 33 member (which costs $$$$ per year)
The conversation holly is creating is so SO important!!! Helping people see that autism is such a huge spectrum AND the reality of work that she’s been a part of! Sounds like she’s an incredible person and mother. Great interview!
Thank you for holding space for Holly! She is so amazing and creative and smart. Her self awareness and getting diagnosed is such a stellar example for so many to be mindful of ones self. She also loves Disney which makes her extra cool! I know people love to discredit her because of how long she was at the mansion and to that I would say, I hope they remember this is her valid experience and none of us were there. I hope she keeps producing and making amazing shows! The stories she has brought to light have been so heartbreaking and give the victims a voice!! She's stellar.
First time listening to your PC, and thanks for treating Holly respectfully. Some other pod casters that I've heard speak about The Girls Next Door really in a disparaging way. Being a woman myself, I loved watching that show, regardless of how it may have been perceived. Always entertaining and also eye opening. Thanks for a great show and now I am now a subscriber. And thank you Mayim for loving animals enough to respect their lives. I wish more were less animal lovers but actually LOVED all animals, not just dogs & cats.
Oh my gosh the answer to her last question really hit me! So simple but I loved that for her and I’m just going to start saying it. Thanks for my new mantra, Holly! I’m happy right now. And if I don’t feel like it’s connecting I know to make a change. I’m happy right now.
Fantastic episode. I enjoy both podcasts separately and having Holly and Mayim share a conversation has been extremely enjoyable. Love how curious Mayim is and Holly is so kind and open. Great episode!
I used to watch GND and loved it. I remember Holly's family came on and if I recall, her father was trying his best to avoid the cameras! It must have been hard for them. I am glad all the girls are doing well for themselves. I had some idea of what Hugh Hefner was really like but after watching those documentaries, he was really nothing more than a high-priced pimp.
I've always loved Holly for her intelligence, incredible beauty and her kind heart. she's the same person that I saw on the girls next door, just so sweet and genuine and much much more. she still looks like a Disney princess after all these years and was so well spoken during this interview. so happy for the good life that she has now, she deserves all the best in the world 💙 love you, Holly!
I’ve never done a vision board! I’m 53. Should I? I’m intrigued. Hurts my heart to know how terrible those women were treated. Really enjoyed Holly’s interview.
Don't know if you've ever seen that movie The Secret...but it's kind of the same concept. Strangely Law of Attraction thing kind of works...in a way that's a little creepy. Then there's always the concept of 'be careful what you wish for' thing to think about.
@ct6852 I used to be into the secret and manifesting however if you are Christian it's dangerous. It's opening yourself up to the demonic forces to help you achieve what you put on your board
Great interview. Mayim is very respectful, yet asks questions that could be uncomfortable. I remember watching some of Holly’s shows. And podcasts. Now I want to watch The Playboy Murders! Thanks❤
When I see pictures of Hefner, he has crazy eyes. Something was really wrong with him. He was a manipulative predator and it's crazy to see how his whole empire was applauded in the media for decades. His empire selected young women (girls next door type) to expose to the world. You wouldn't wish this on anyone you loved and cared about. It ruined some. Many of those young women were prostituted. I am very happy for Holly and anyone who managed not to lose their minds, heal from the experience and thrive despite it all. I'm so happy that Holly is doing interviews and talking about it.
@@lwalt7120 His daughter grew up with it, and I am aware that she propelled his business further. No different than the children of criminal drug lords. Some will take the reins and run with it. It's still not right. I do not think having orgies with girls barely out of high school and college is a great legacy. I don't think prostituting the girls (actors and others came to the mansion for one thing) was good for anyone. Expanding world of Playboy to the internet creating more sex obsessed (and frustrated) men around the world. Great. I know it made them wealthy, but it's a terrible way to make a living.
Great episode! It’s incredible to see her evolution. Please have Kendra Wilkinson on next!!! She also has evolved immensely and I’d love to hear how she did it.
I did a vision board once w/"the job of my dreams on it." Only to land that job some years later. The reality was the job was a nightmare, the people were crazy and it only looked good on paper!
Thank you so much for sharing this! That’s what keept me in the business, more than anything…thinking, “Who else will accept me?” No one should be shunned because they are in the sex industry. Fellow former performer on the spectrum, here! Much love and respect 💗 🫡! P.S. I’m, currently, studying neurobiology. You and Mayim are both heroes of mine!
I'm so glad that you did this interview because of all the different things you mentioned that Holly is part of I had no idea. Now I want to look up her other podcast and shows
So fun! you two have the only podcasts I actively seek out consistently, & You're together! & I've been so curious about this aspect of Holly too, so fun to see you two together!
As a late diagnosed adult, I also found comfort in the script of waiting tables. Having a clear pattern of expectations for social situations is very comforting and also helped me build confidence.
I watched Girls Next Door cause I wondered how people who had everything spent their time. Thank you for discussing the reality of everything, I respect Holly Madison so much more now. And the courage to get an ASD diagnosis as an adult makes her a great spokesperson for understanding the whole spectrum. Loved this broadcast!
So happy to see Holly on your show! Two intelligent ladies from two different worlds, discussing interesting topics. Great questions, excellent interview. I shall love bomb it in the healthiest of ways ❤
I watch pretty much any podcast with Holly on it. I also watch her and Bridget's Girls Next Level podcast all the time. So when i saw Holly on here, I was excited and had to watch!
I was so happy to see this! I am a new subscriber to this channel and also I recently discovered Holly and Bridgetts pod cast and I have been binge watching The GND. I was a big fan back in the day. I am so glad Holly and Bridget came forward about the show and are discussing what happened behind the scenes. I use to wonder what REALLY went on. And although I dont really understand why they chose that life, besides for Money and fake security, I believe they were vulnerable and I now see how Hef was not a good person. It changed how I feel about Holly. I only saw her as a dingy bimbo with that talked baby talk. (Cringe) But I now see that she really is an intelligent, Caring and strong Woman. I see how the show only showed us what they wanted us to see. I’d love to see more interviews with Holly. She speaks so beautifully and I could listen to her for hours.
Thank you for this deep interview. I'd love to see a tour of Holly's Las Vegas home. She loves tutor cottages and so do I. It's one of the many reasons why I became a fan and follow her on social media. Her Los Angeles home is cute as a button.
Only some 7 min in. As an Oregonian, she said Enchanted Forest and my heart immediately was open to her story. Such a quintessential experience of PNW millennial kids 😂
Love both Holly & Mayim! I didn’t even know this collaboration was going to take place. I feel like Holly gave her usual answers but she finally opened up the last 20 mins of the interview. I wanted to see Mayim get excited about breaking it down. I need a redo!
Another great episode. I'm glad Holly found the courage to tell her truth. On a side note we can start a drinking game....take a shot every time Mayim says "I'm curious" and you will be bombed by the end of each podcast 🥃 The producer should put together a montage of Mayim saying "I'm curious" and air it on a podcast about verbal repetition
I read her book when it first came out & have recommended it to everyone ever since, the interviews are Great but very surface level-her story’s much deeper so you gotta read the book! I loved the reality show as a teen but grew a greater respect for Holly & the other girls after reading her book. ❤
This is the first time I've seen an interviewer point out that by writing her book she was dismantling the patriarcy, and that breaking the fantasy of that world was brave. Loved so much of this meeting of my two favourite podcasters
but then she records a podcast trashing Crystal and doing the same as people did to her when she wrote the book.
@@camilanovalifecrystal made me feel bad for hef in his last days. she’s not someone you wanna defend i promise
@@camilanovalifeshe’s reviewing Crystal’s book. Pointing out discrepancies isn’t trashing someone.
@@camilanovalifeif you equate ‘trashing Crystal’ with calling her out for being a nasty, manipulative bi$ch, then yep, she did 😘
@@camilanovalifeShe’s not trashing Cristal! They’re doing a book review of her book ! Not their fault if things in it are false ! She did that to herself! I supported her in the beginning! But then she full on bullied Bridget via video for everyone to see . Holly also saw it and that’s when she lost support
I got to meet Holly about 10 years ago, it was a brief encounter at a friends house. She was the sweetest most genuine and gracious person and I am so happy to see her growing success.
She is a kind soul and I believe truly deserves it. 😃💗
So much packed into this interview. My biggest takeaway is Holly's advice to girls...."any time the partner wants to move too fast". Sage advice from one who knows.
I cant tell you you how deliciously satisfying it is to watch these female celebrities speak up and speak out for women. Your bravery does not go unoticed ❤
Thank you for having openly autistic women on. I really appreciate Holly sharing her story and bringing awareness to how much autistic women are prone to being taken advantage of.
Yes people on the Autism Spectrum, but also anyone under the age of 25 is more vulnerable to certain types of manipulation.
I’m 54 and just discovered in the last year that I am on the spectrum & I finally have some peace because I always felt there was something and couldn’t never figure it out. Nor did any of my therapists over the years. I’m grateful to hear more adults talk about it, especially women.
I’ve also heard that women often present differently with a diagnosis on the spectrum
@@jillsarah7356and any women with disabilities sadly 🥺
I know it doesn’t apply here but I thought I’d mention it.
I was diagnosed at 27, so her story brought me to tears.
I remember seeing her on TV at the mansion and just being impressed with her intelligence. She seemed too smart and classy for that environment. I’m glad she reinvented herself out of it.
Too smart and classy? As if a girl who posed naked or went to that environment was supposed to be dumb and unclassy. 😢
I ❤ that terminology “reinvented herself out”
I don’t see any reinvention? Everything she’s doing is about Playboy still, 17 years later. We still see the same misogynistic behavior towards other women, and reinforcement of the same beauty standards.
On her pod, she talks about all the plastic surgery she gets, always anti aging treatments as if it’s unthinkable for a woman to age naturally, and how Holly’s always on restricted diets like keto. She went on tangents how she does laser treatments, really wanted “hand rejuvenation” injections next, and did in-office cellulite treatments recently. It is fine if you wanna do plastic surgery more power to you, ….but it isn’t a reinvention. It’s the same misogyny as Playboy. It’s what she promotes. Even quite literally, as Holly’s podcast is sponsored in part by SomoBello liposuction company. Listeners get to hear it all being promoted.
I’d like to see some more growth. Hef was a bad guy, we all feel her on that. But show us how you’re different.
She’s so well spoken! I always was so impressed with how eloquent she was on the show.
If she has a thing about beauty that's probably one nitore thing that drew her into his web. She seems very introspective and changed in many ways with lots of life lessons learned.
I've always loved Holly and found her to be classier and more articulate than most in that environment. Thank you for handling some of these uncomfortable topics with grace. You're a great interviewer and Holly was an awesome guest.
Both of the girls were smart only one was regular girl
Both Holly & Bridget were far smarter than they let on.
@@NeviaRose I knew when I watched the show Bridget had a master's degree so I knew she was smart
It sounds like Hef picked “small town girls” because he knew they’d be far from home, face increased shame if they went home, and he could keep them isolated and dependent. That he blocked them from therapy and sent them to a pre-approved person who would support their dependence is so abusive.
The Hefner Doc cruising Hawaiian Tropic promotional events. No mystery what that was about. From bikini clad to nudity is not a big jump.
👉🏻Gnimoorg
I love Holly but she was an adult and made her own choices. I made choices when I was a teenager
Step one, isolate
Step two, alienate from friends and fam
Step three, take financial control
Step four, prevent victim from working
if you're living with them ,you're really screwed.... I've been there.
A lot of abusers, go for women who have been previously assaulted or grew up in an abusive household.
They look for women who might be struggling with addiction, or just their own demons.
Hugh Hefner definitely fits this mo.
He was feeding girls drugs for God sakes. He gave them an allowance, but it's never enough to actually do anything with such as go back to school or start a business.
It's all manipulation, the money is just to make you believe that you're free.
I'm so proud of Holly for doing this interview 💯
And I'm definitely going to be analyzing it on my channel❤
She could have left at any time. She's no victim. It was a mutually beneficial relationship until it wasnt... for her.
@@JHall8888 left how ?
With what money ?
If I’m not mistaken, even the car that she drove, was Hughes…. So in what car was,she supposed to get in and leave?
Also , where was she to go? (Some people like myself, have zero living family)
What if ,her family wasn’t able to have her back in the home.
It’s not as easy as just packing your things and leaving 😅(I wish it were)
I know personally, I stayed because I had money tied up in business dealings with my abuser. Not only that , after almost 20 years, he was the only family I felt like I had. Because I had been brainwashed! In a codependent relationship🙄
And I never dated the man 💯
Abuse comes in so many forms.
I’m glad holly escaped and is flourishing♥️
I'm so glad this pod was recommended to me. I'm 40, and I love how all the 90s and early 00s folks are doing podcasts now, and I feel like I'm digging deeper into all these people I knew so long ago. Plus listening to Mayim makes me feel smarter, lol.
Hefner's Playboy mag (and other media) was NEVER about empowering women. It's first and only goal was the sexual gratification of men. His mag would adapt itself to the current culture only to provide men with advice on how to get laid, what they had to wear and say to entice women. Any attempt to notice women's rights was with the angle of placating them to get sex. I never saw women modeling for Playboy, or working in the club as empowering or embracing their sexuality. It was always coercive in my view. I know there are some who disagree, and I fail to understand how they can delude themselves into thinking that way.
Absolutely agree. I don't recall the models having their younger selves photos in the magazine. My father left mags everyone and I read a few but my point is as a woman in her forties, three kids and married, Im thoroughly grossed out by the younger pics being apart of it. Like fantasizing about the girls prepubescent.. 😳 I always found playboy and hustler grotesque.
Women who think it's an honor to pose for Playboy have been conned by the patriarchy.
Yep 💯
I can see how the term "empowering" can be applicable to young women who feel "empowered" in so far that their beauty allows them to manipulate men or make easy money. Girls I have known that were strippers felt "in charge" of their own finances by making way more money than they could any other way, being young with no real world work experience. Same can be said of any only fans girl in today's world that makes money from providing that sort of content. Is this healthy? Probably not, but "empowered" for young beautiful women who are just starting to see how their looks can influence those around them and provide opportunity that others can't get is a real thing. The delusion in those young women, is thinking that that way of living will last forever. When developing an actual skill-set and personality will serve them in the long run.
Hef’s long time secretary said “he keeps the ones with the broken wings.” And the story of every one these ladies who had a long term relationship with that guy had broken wings.
😢so sad but too true
So sad how he was worshipped by other men for his repeated abuse of women. Telling about our culture.
Isn’t this always the case with older people, they pick the young ones, easily manipulated, wanting to be loved, seeking love in the wrong place
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That's so sad and quite awful... We had a friend/roommate that was a playmate and she said he was just old and creepy. She also said that the mansion wasn't as awesome as everyone thought. At least not the house that she got to stay in with all the girls. She said that part was old. I thought that was interesting to hear from a person in real life.
Holly’s experience is so interesting. She is very articulate and likable. I wish her the best!
People who never experienced manipulation on this level, will never understand how difficult it is to break from it. I guess this is the best podcast to litterally break it down to understand how this whole process can simply devour you and your personality.
Leaving abuse behind you is just a first (crutial) step and healing is journey has many bends and bumps but its so worth it to find your true self during it.
Massive thanks to Holly to keep going and just showing how you can set yourself free 💗
Also (again) breaking from an image of autistic person as we were shown for year on the media. There is a reason who its called a spectrum.
Can you be proud of someone who you never met in person and probably never will? I guess you can 💪🏻
she signed up for that manipulation for fame and money and a roof over her head. she isnt a victim.
Everybody on earth has been manipulated like that.
Mayim asked the best and most interesting questions. I've listened to many interviews with Holly and this was by far the most intelligent, respectful and thoughtful. 💛
Thank you so much for having Holly Madison in this episode and really interesting conversation. Much love to you Mayim! ❤
Love Holly always have. I never judged her before, during or after the mansion. I think she was the main fan favorite. Her journey is unbelievable. I’ve always been proud of her for leaving the mansion bc she was too good for gross Hefner. We have all been in bad relationships. I loved when her book came out and bought it. I hadn’t read a book since childhood. I’m happy she seems styled and has two children. I’ll always want to see what she’s up to. Hope she finds her full happiness. She has always deserved it❤️💯🙏🏼😊
Settled I meant not styled.
I love Holly and have watched quite a few interviews with her, and you definitely went one step further with every question, which was very much appreciated by me but also by her, I think. The smiles between the two of you feel very genuine, and this was so interesting to watch. Thanks!
No idea why this came across my feed but I enjoyed it thoroughly and am now subbed
I’m glad to see Mayim’s reaction when she was talking about the bedroom…after 20 years since watching them, I just didn’t realize what they were doing, I was shocked. I feel for these women, they were so young…
32:40 "it was a shit storm in my head" seems like the perfect summation of what this experience was for all the girls in that situation. I'm so happy for any of the women that came out the other side of Hefs influence with any shred of mental health, since sooo many are still dealing with the trauma.
Thank you Mayim, Johnathan and most of all, Holly. This was fascinating. Exposing Hefner and his fantasy of male dominance is very important.
As one of the like 5 Canadians who remembers the log drivers waltz thank you for the throw back I have been singing it all day!
glad your happy!!!
I was so insulted that Mayim thought all Canadians have opinions about logging... And then I remembered that all my friends in my 20s were tree planters and I worked at a sawmill. Nevermind.
I only wish I could have heard this story before I married my second husband. Holly’s story is so informative and gives telling red flags to look for. I was so clueless to what “love bombing” is! Everything in this interview is important to all women and men.
I noticed something in the first 2 minutes. I am on the spectrum, diagnosed in my 40’s. I notice her blinking and the eye closing when she discusses things that are emotionally charged, my doctor pointed that out with me. I do it any time I’m uncomfortable and can’t look people on the eye, it physically is uncomfortable and a trait many on the spectrum share. I’m proud of her for being vulnerable and speaking out ❤
Mayim, I’m loving this podcast! You are so bright and so very kind and respectful to your guests and you are picking really great people to join you! I watched you on tv over the years on all of the shows and I’m thrilled to see you enjoying such success!
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This interview was remarkable. Her insightful self-awareness was just a stunning and refreshing experience. Huge respect for her! As always, love you too Mayim and Jonathon, such a great podcast. I would like $5 for every time Mayim said “ you know” though, I think Mayim was a bit uncomfortable, thus that over used term. Doesn’t matter much because Holly was so unflappable. Excellent interview! 💗
Your comment reinforces my thought! I feel that Mayim was very uncomfortable doing this interview. I noticed a big difference in her wording and speech in general. Imo, Mayim has my full respect, whereas I don't feel at all that way towards Ms. Madison.
@@HummingbirdEighty8 Thanks for sharing the same observation of Mayim. I do enjoy her podcast, though some interviews are just not my point of interest, so I move on. Thought I would be doing that here, but found it rather impressive. 🙂
I think she was trying hard to not come across as being judgmental.
1st step: I will *omg crying as I write this* seek help I need. For many reasons, this podcast was what I was meant to hear today. Thank you Mayim for doing what you do, in a way, that is only you, and Holly, TY for describing your painful past to help others. Ain't as easy as it looks, I'm sure.
Thank you for sharing!!! Wishing you all good luck and sending love ♾️💞
Love your back and forth banter with each other!
Another great episode!
Can people in these comments stop comparing her to other women who have worked in "that world"? All of these comments of "I always thought she was smarter/classier than other girls in that environment/ line of work" like really do you hear yourself putting these women down? As if a woman has to be classy or smart to be deserving of respect. She's a person no matter if she does sex work or is a lawyer. Like listen to Holly talking about the other girls, you think she looks down on them, she's describing how the industry abuses women and makes them do things they might not want to do. Holly is an example of why all women deserve respect. Listen to her
YES!! Sex work and those who participate are vulnerable to being othered and categorized as some exotic species. Some of the "im so baffled, bemused and intrigued.." vibes can get a little much. And the "you're so well spoken" part is right there with that. It doesn't seem Holly took offense and I'm glad for that, but it's something to watch for.
Holly always glosses over the fact that she was very publically pushing to be Hefners only girlfriend, and trying to get him to marry her.
As a teen I was obsessed with the show, it makes me so happy to see where Holly is now. She was clearly such a clever person who had such a future ahead of her. Despite the context I was watching her in she was inspirational
WHY were your parents allowing you, as a teen to watch that kind of CRAP!!! Shame on them!!!
@CherylBerryl I have absolutely amazing parents and it's wild for a stranger to comment that on the Internet 🙄
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What show was this?
@@LauraB0421 The Girls Next-door I think it was on MTV
Met and spent time around Holly and her daughter and daughters father. She really is as she appears. Down to earth and approachable. I'm glad she's happy now.
This was my favorite interview and the only episode i have watched in full
Watching Holly's lack of eye contact is truly telling. People who are diagnosed later in life, the lack of eye contact happens later, because they've spent their whole life masking. As an adult who was also diagnosed at the age of 37, I respect these elements of human emotion. I call myself a Christ-follower, and my neurotypical partner gets angry sometimes because he wants me to call myself a Christian. To me, I only have so many spoons for each day and I use them first to brush my teeth, take a shower, put on makeup, make it to work.... and if I'm then able to make it home, wash my face, get to bed on time, then it's a blessed day. I'm not a millionaire, but I try so hard.
Holly is an incredible human being. Much love and respect to her 🙏 ❤
I'm not sure how I haven't found your page until now, but I love it!!! Mayim, you are the sweetest person. You are brilliant and have a HUGE heart. God bless you and yours.
I've always been a fan of Holly, including reading her book the day it came out. So glad she came on your podcast.
Loves me some Holly and Bridgett. They're great. She's being pretty serious here, but she's also lowkey hilarious with her deadpan delivery at times. Fantastic women. You can tell they learned a lot through their experiences and they've guided them in a pretty great way, actually. 💖
Loved seeing the host warm so much towards Holly 🩷
So glad I stumbled upon this youtube chanel and interview. Wonderful way to decompress and relax with a cup of coffee. Well done ladies.
It’s surprises me how much I relate to Holly. I hid under extra clothes when I was younger and was not ever in a non monogamous relationship (well, I was cheated on in past relationships). However, I still grew to have such similar ideas as Holly. The be careful of lovebombing thing has been my advice to others for over a decade except I didn’t use the term but just explained the sentiment/experience. It was my advice for those being lovebombed and those doing the lovebombing in the beginning of a relationship. I’d remind the love bomber to to ask themselves if it was love or infatuation. I’d ask them to if they were in love with the person or the idea of the person. I’d remind them that the person is a human being and be careful not to put them too high up on a pedestal because then they’ll just fall down.
Wow! Holly is here 🥹♥️ what a great ep! ❤
Holly and Bridget are so fun to listen to! I love their retelling and stories. Their podcast is my fav!!
Love how Holly has reinvented herself, especially watching her when I was younger. Love her podcast with Bridget and her book is great! I love that she came through to the other side of it all 🎉🎉
Excellent interview! Great job all the way around. ❤
I almost choked on my coffee when she said she was 45 .... I feel so weathered.
Don't. She has access to a lotttt of anti aging treatments and surgeries. I'm 34 and I feel weathered when I look at her too but I felt that way when watching her at 16! Of course she's naturally gorgeous but she has the ability to upkeep that which others don't always have access to
Really enjoying seeing Holly come into her power. This is a totally different person, and the more I listen to her, the more I like her and find her interesting. Keep going, girl!
This is so sad! I’m glad she grew up and got better in her feelings about herself. You’re beautiful Holly. I’m so happy for you today. 🥺🥰❤️
@Mayim Bialek as an RBT and a huge advocate of autism. Wow Holly is my hero. As someone who identifies as neuro divergent as an adult. I find such validation and strength in knowing how many of us exist and are FINALLY understanding how WE process and apply. Thank you Mayim and Holly Madison wow you are a warrior. Thank you!!!
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@MayimBialik you seem kimd hearted and intelligent but I think you came across quite judgemental and somewhat ignor*nt in this interview, things like how the playboy industry being "predicated on suspension of disbelief" and how essentially s*xu*l liberation is merely a fantasy and everyone who is unhappy etc .. and comparing posing n*de to basically 'cornography'. Firstly as much as I agree mass produced 'corn' is harmful to EVEYONE but posing n*de on its own without any kind of suggestive imagery or actual s*xu*l acts then it's not 'corn' wether people use it as that or not , the imagery itself is not. Secondly not everyone in polyamorous relationship is unhappy with it or in a ab*sive one like Holly nor are people who have more open relationship or are single and only have 'casual' relationships, some people enjoy it and are very happy. Secondly it's very ign*rant to just to take away from people that are s*xual liberated to deny them of that title and treat them as a puppet for the male gaze for the patriarchy. Yes these industries and lifestyles were founded and benefit men but its also greatly benefits women. Not everyone is as privileged as ypu to come from her financial and educational background, if someone isn't being taking advantage and freely choose to make money using their 'femininity' to appeal to male gaze to become successful then to me the joke is on the men, I see it as taking back contr*l of your own s*xual*ty and belive its very powerful and we are in nature sensual beings so who is anyone to act like expressing that is unnatural. There are people who have casual relationships, or are more open who are extraordinarily happy and feel strong, smart, successful and empowered who is anyone to tell them they are not. Essentially do you want women to be free and empowered or is it that you want you want them TO BE LIKE YOU, because that's not freedom. What you think is wrong or right isn't cannon, no one's opinion is, we all have our own opinions of good bad and right and wrong, for anyone to be so sure that what they believe MUST be correct is just narciss*st*c in my opinion. Or at least the act is. Ultimately as humans in this big universe, we know nothing, so let's not judge people different from us. Different isn't bad.
@@jadebel7006 Nudity for art and nudity for sexual exploitation are clearly different. I suppose there are a select few who don't feel exploited in some of these situations, but unfortunately most are indeed being used and exploited. Please don't discount that. There are way too many people trapped in situations they did not choose or were predisposed to gravitate toward that are extremely harmful and dangerous and abusive to them, if only on an emotional, mental and spiritual level.
When these industries are owned by and primarily financially benefit women, then I’ll buy the empowerment and liberation piece.
Some people just want to belong to a group they think will help explain themselves. Like finding your tribe as an adolescent.
The problem with some of these spectrums and diagnosis by exclusion is they end up being wrong by describing virtually every human on the planet.
No way Holly actually is autistic. Sorry, not sorry. Anyone can give you the diagnosis that you want to hear.
As smart and educated as Mayim is, she still subscribes to misogynistic standards for women informed by patriarchy.
Holly is like a real life Disney princess.
I can't believe she's 45!!! Blows my mind! She looks phenomenal
@@MysticMoonzshe’s 45, not 85 lol
She truly is !!
Always wondered what her obsession with Disney was
It's interesting because Holly has said in the past that Bridget really was naturally the epitome of "Disney princess" (and known as "the girliest one" in the GND trio) so having Bridget as her best friend really helped Holly bring that aspect of fantasy into coping with life at the mansion - Holly at her core is more of the vintage Disney and 50s/60s cartoons era
Oddly enough, Crystal Hefner is also obsessed with Disney and is even a Club 33 member (which costs $$$$ per year)
The conversation holly is creating is so SO important!!! Helping people see that autism is such a huge spectrum AND the reality of work that she’s been a part of! Sounds like she’s an incredible person and mother. Great interview!
Thank you for holding space for Holly! She is so amazing and creative and smart. Her self awareness and getting diagnosed is such a stellar example for so many to be mindful of ones self. She also loves Disney which makes her extra cool! I know people love to discredit her because of how long she was at the mansion and to that I would say, I hope they remember this is her valid experience and none of us were there. I hope she keeps producing and making amazing shows! The stories she has brought to light have been so heartbreaking and give the victims a voice!! She's stellar.
As a Canadian who is 41 years old and grew up in a small town in Alberta, I am one of the few who definitely knows what the Log Driver's Waltz is!
That’s how the log drivers learned to tread lightlyyyy (40 year old Ontarian here)!
First time listening to your PC, and thanks for treating Holly respectfully. Some other pod casters that I've heard speak about The Girls Next Door really in a disparaging way. Being a woman myself, I loved watching that show, regardless of how it may have been perceived. Always entertaining and also eye opening. Thanks for a great show and now I am now a subscriber. And thank you Mayim for loving animals enough to respect their lives. I wish more were less animal lovers but actually LOVED all animals, not just dogs & cats.
I have been following their podcast since inception and LOVED seeing this. I love your interviewing style and you just gained a new fan.
Oh my gosh the answer to her last question really hit me! So simple but I loved that for her and I’m just going to start saying it. Thanks for my new mantra, Holly! I’m happy right now. And if I don’t feel like it’s connecting I know to make a change. I’m happy right now.
Thank You for another great episode shared.☺️ And as a Canadian… i extra LOVE that ‘The Log Driver’s Waltz’ was mentioned!!😂💖💕
Fantastic episode. I enjoy both podcasts separately and having Holly and Mayim share a conversation has been extremely enjoyable. Love how curious Mayim is and Holly is so kind and open. Great episode!
I used to watch GND and loved it. I remember Holly's family came on and if I recall, her father was trying his best to avoid the cameras! It must have been hard for them. I am glad all the girls are doing well for themselves. I had some idea of what Hugh Hefner was really like but after watching those documentaries, he was really nothing more than a high-priced pimp.
Commenting before I even listen, this is the crossover I need 🙌🙏🤩
🙌 Hope you liked the ep!
What an interesting interview. I knew a lot about her life, but I learned so much more.
I've always loved Holly for her intelligence, incredible beauty and her kind heart. she's the same person that I saw on the girls next door, just so sweet and genuine and much much more. she still looks like a Disney princess after all these years and was so well spoken during this interview. so happy for the good life that she has now, she deserves all the best in the world 💙 love you, Holly!
I’ve never done a vision board! I’m 53. Should I? I’m intrigued.
Hurts my heart to know how terrible those women were treated. Really enjoyed Holly’s interview.
Don't know if you've ever seen that movie The Secret...but it's kind of the same concept. Strangely Law of Attraction thing kind of works...in a way that's a little creepy. Then there's always the concept of 'be careful what you wish for' thing to think about.
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@ct6852 I used to be into the secret and manifesting however if you are Christian it's dangerous. It's opening yourself up to the demonic forces to help you achieve what you put on your board
Yes, do It ⭐❤
I don't subscribe to vision boards. But journaling is a more linear and verbal representation.
I’m glad she opened up about her experience. It does sound like a nightmare.
Great interview. Mayim is very respectful, yet asks questions that could be uncomfortable. I remember watching some of Holly’s shows. And podcasts. Now I want to watch The Playboy Murders! Thanks❤
🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦Another great episode…and as always….love any mention of ‘our’ beloved Canada! ❤️🇨🇦❤️
When I see pictures of Hefner, he has crazy eyes. Something was really wrong with him. He was a manipulative predator and it's crazy to see how his whole empire was applauded in the media for decades. His empire selected young women (girls next door type) to expose to the world. You wouldn't wish this on anyone you loved and cared about. It ruined some. Many of those young women were prostituted. I am very happy for Holly and anyone who managed not to lose their minds, heal from the experience and thrive despite it all. I'm so happy that Holly is doing interviews and talking about it.
You do realize his daughter ran the magazine from 1988 to 2009? She took Playboy to levels Hugh never dreamed
@@lwalt7120 His daughter grew up with it, and I am aware that she propelled his business further. No different than the children of criminal drug lords. Some will take the reins and run with it. It's still not right. I do not think having orgies with girls barely out of high school and college is a great legacy. I don't think prostituting the girls (actors and others came to the mansion for one thing) was good for anyone. Expanding world of Playboy to the internet creating more sex obsessed (and frustrated) men around the world. Great. I know it made them wealthy, but it's a terrible way to make a living.
Great episode! It’s incredible to see her evolution. Please have Kendra Wilkinson on next!!! She also has evolved immensely and I’d love to hear how she did it.
Yes! Good call! I am intrested how shes going now, i just read her two books.
So glad to see her shining and thriving this was a great interview! Intuition story is so awesome too
Came here for Holly, subscribed n staying for Mayim. Loving it ❤
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I did a vision board once w/"the job of my dreams on it." Only to land that job some years later. The reality was the job was a nightmare, the people were crazy and it only looked good on paper!
I’m so relived both of them were respectful to Holly…
Thank you so much for sharing this! That’s what keept me in the business, more than anything…thinking, “Who else will accept me?” No one should be shunned because they are in the sex industry. Fellow former performer on the spectrum, here! Much love and respect 💗 🫡!
P.S. I’m, currently, studying neurobiology. You and Mayim are both heroes of mine!
I'm so glad that you did this interview because of all the different things you mentioned that Holly is part of I had no idea. Now I want to look up her other podcast and shows
She’s so lovely and has done so much as a woman . Really proud of Holly ❤
So fun! you two have the only podcasts I actively seek out consistently, & You're together! & I've been so curious about this aspect of Holly too, so fun to see you two together!
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As a late diagnosed adult, I also found comfort in the script of waiting tables. Having a clear pattern of expectations for social situations is very comforting and also helped me build confidence.
I watched Girls Next Door cause I wondered how people who had everything spent their time. Thank you for discussing the reality of everything, I respect Holly Madison so much more now. And the courage to get an ASD diagnosis as an adult makes her a great spokesperson for understanding the whole spectrum. Loved this broadcast!
Fantastic interview!
So happy to see Holly on your show! Two intelligent ladies from two different worlds, discussing interesting topics. Great questions, excellent interview. I shall love bomb it in the healthiest of ways ❤
I love this series. Interviewing happy people doing happy things is easy… but this… This is next level.
I love Holly, this was a great interview ❤❤❤❤
The log drivers waltz is the name of the song. It’s a Canadian classic.
🎵..the log drivers waltz pleases girls completely!🎶
I watch pretty much any podcast with Holly on it. I also watch her and Bridget's Girls Next Level podcast all the time. So when i saw Holly on here, I was excited and had to watch!
Omg, I never knew Holly broke her leg at the Enchanted Forest! That’s our big “theme park” in the Salem area.
Used to drive past that every summer. Always thought it was haunted for some reason. lol
I was so happy to see this! I am a new subscriber to this channel and also I recently discovered Holly and Bridgetts pod cast and I have been binge watching The GND. I was a big fan back in the day. I am so glad Holly and Bridget came forward about the show and are discussing what happened behind the scenes. I use to wonder what REALLY went on. And although I dont really understand why they chose that life, besides for Money and fake security, I believe they were vulnerable and I now see how Hef was not a good person. It changed how I feel about Holly. I only saw her as a dingy bimbo with that talked baby talk. (Cringe) But I now see that she really is an intelligent, Caring and strong Woman. I see how the show only showed us what they wanted us to see. I’d love to see more interviews with Holly. She speaks so beautifully and I could listen to her for hours.
What a surprisingly interesting and thought-provoking interview that is making me reconsider some of my own biases and assumptions.
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Thank you for this deep interview. I'd love to see a tour of Holly's Las Vegas home. She loves tutor cottages and so do I. It's one of the many reasons why I became a fan and follow her on social media. Her Los Angeles home is cute as a button.
She gave a short tour on her UA-cam channel. Like two and a half years ago or so?
Only some 7 min in. As an Oregonian, she said Enchanted Forest and my heart immediately was open to her story. Such a quintessential experience of PNW millennial kids 😂
I'm Gen X, and my grandmother took me to the Enchanted Forest. Honestly, I was scared of the rabbit hole, my only real memory.
I love this interview. I hope you two become friends what a fun combo.
Love both Holly & Mayim! I didn’t even know this collaboration was going to take place. I feel like Holly gave her usual answers but she finally opened up the last 20 mins of the interview. I wanted to see Mayim get excited about breaking it down. I need a redo!
Another great episode. I'm glad Holly found the courage to tell her truth. On a side note we can start a drinking game....take a shot every time Mayim says "I'm curious" and you will be bombed by the end of each podcast 🥃 The producer should put together a montage of Mayim saying "I'm curious" and air it on a podcast about verbal repetition
The realest she's ever been. And this isn't a money grab!
You mean she shouldn’t try to earn a living ?????
I read her book when it first came out & have recommended it to everyone ever since, the interviews are Great but very surface level-her story’s much deeper so you gotta read the book! I loved the reality show as a teen but grew a greater respect for Holly & the other girls after reading her book. ❤
YESSSSS I loved that commercial/video of the Timber longer OMG you just brought back a wave of memories 😂❤ He had serious "river dance" moves 😂😂
THE LOG DRIVER'S WALTZ! Great stuff. It was on tv every 30 minutes in the 80's.
Thank you for being so nice to her during this interview.
OMG two of my favorite girls on a podcast together!!!!!! Yeah!
She’s adorable and I always liked her on the girls next door . Such a smart and interesting person. Enjoyed listening to her experiences.
I love Holly sooooo much. Amazing episode. I relate SO much to her.
I've always really liked Holly, since I watched her on The Girls Next Door. I'm so proud of her.