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Thanks for the praise Matt! We will continue to work hard on this.

We are about to release a strength vs skill chart that shows climbing grade vs two hand peak force on a 20mm edge. We haven’t compiled data yet on different edge sizes.

@ryan weighted hangs are good for sure. One advantage of floor pulls is that it is less load on your shoulders. I've talked to a number of (older) climbers that struggle with traditional hangboarding due to shoulder load. From your finger flexor perspective, floor pulls or overhead pulls aren't much different. The convenience of floor pulls is hard to beat and really helps isolate the fingers flexors. If hamstrings or shoulders get feel fatigued, performing overcoming isometrics with a single hand should solve the issue. Then you could perform weighted pullups separately to target the larger pulling muscles (lats, traps, biceps, etc).

Thanks. Would be great to have a video that demonstrates best form for these.

Like, I can do them with shoulders tucked in or straining to keep them out. Is one better? Also, I'm using the flash board, but would something with a wider stance be better, so hands could be shoulder width apart?

@@ryanmcdermott657 That was the intent of this video, but perhaps we didn't explain it well enough. We also discussed in this blog post: pitchsix.com/blogs/blog/overcoming-vs-yielding-isometrics I think the flash board is good, just be careful to not trap the board against your knees and push up as it can add to the weight measurement. The key elements for a body position mimic that of a deadlift at mid-thigh closely: - Some bend in the knees (less required for an overcoming isometric, more if you really want to pull hard yielding) - Flash board from just above the knee to about mid thigh - Back exaggeratedly straight (like you're picking up a fridge) - Shoulder blades together with traps fully engaged - Chest proud (sticking forward)

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I think the outlier comment is a good one--to far above or below the standard is often a disadvantage. I had a young man on my climbing team that was below standard deviation in height for his age category. The route sets were often out of his reach, without intermediate feet to compensate. As a result, he developed a lot of power to overcome those big moves. As he grows into his height, he'll benefit from that extra power.

Hey @jordanGrot, the lenses on the belay glasses do no have a prescription. But you can wear them over glasses.

Move 18 and 19 (on taller person) is one place where there is a distinct height advantage. Kat (shorter) has to do two extra difficult, high-tension moves where Cody (taller) dynamically moves through with one move from relatively good holds.

Adam Ondra, regarded as the best climber in the world, is 1.85 m (6′ 1″)

Adam himself said its better to be short so

And im 6.2 so im not biased btw

Not true. Ondra said that for a short climber some of the routes would simply be impossible to climb. 3 of the 5 best climbers are tall: Ondra, Bouin and Schubert. Bosi and Ghisolfi aren't tall, but I believe Diaz-Rullo is tall, Chris Sharma as well. Megos is 173. In the bouldering gym it is usually much easier to climb harder grade if you are tall. This is just a fact. Tall climbers have it easier, in general, for their own admission. Just the other day, a Japanese climber, told me he found London gyms harder, because here we have bigger moves compared to Japan, which is well known to have the hardest gym. But for him London ones are harder due to the fact Japanese are small people.

Based on my observation, outliers have it worse. For men it seems around 1.73m is the best. Gives lots of options while still remaining pretty light. Tall people usually struggle a lot with bigger levers and small boxes, sometimes to the point where the climb is close to impossible, but no one notices that because it's easier to notice a short person can't reach what is usually the next hold (so unfair!!! You hear that all the time in gyms; eye roll) I'll remain careful and just say that being far from 1.73m as a man gets equally harder either way but it's just a dumb, die hard legend that being shorter is harder. Being tall at lower grades is very impressing for the noobs because you can skip 2 holds and grab the next best jug. That party trick gets harder and harder as the grades become harder. It's good for Adam Ondra to be that successful DESPITE his height; he's also not the usual tall climber type, being extremely light, even for climber standards and flexible and generally a glutton for punishment who started extremely young. For most other tall climbers, the square cube law is a losing battle.

Agreed. Looking at 8a.nu, the top men are about 5’8-5’10”. Top women about 5’2”. I acknowledge the clickbait title, but also say it’s a fun comparison to have.

routesetters have the span and height of each climber so they adjust so it is theoretically possible for all competitors to complete the route/problem. This is not the case in nature thus when it comes to vertical and slab most routes/problems is easier for tall people. Overhanging, not so much. Some people argue that its hard for tall climbers to fit in small boxes which I find somewhat true but a tall climber can work on his mobility / flexibility to fit in most boxes. A short climber will, in general, have higher finger strength to body weight ratio and the "lever" in overhang will be less. When it comes to grades I hate them as a short climber since they don't make any sense for me at all most of the time. I have downgraded 7B+ boulders to 6C/+ and upgraded 6B to 7A. I hope AI will soon be able to give more accurate personal grades though to help me pick which boulders to work on when on trips. :) In conclusion I don't think comp climbers should be included when we compare due to routesetting adjusting to height/span of competitors. There are advantages and disadvantages to all body types. Grades mostly just apply to average sized climbers. As a beginner / intermediate climber there is probably a small advantage overall to be slightly taller than shorter but top end climbing it might be a slight advantage to be just a bit shorter when it comes to overhang / roof. Thats what I strongly believe :)

​@@pitchsix 5'8'' to 5'10'' is fairly close to actual average height in a lot the countries that send people to world cups to climb as well. Japan's average height for example is just over 5'7'' with the younger generations being above that.

Nice comment and an interesting comment from a route setter. One nice thing about outside routes are more choices for feet which can accommodate different box sizes much better than gym routes. Have you ever set more feet options on indoor routes?

Especially on plastic, bouldering in particular, can be extremely hard for a short climber do dynamically moves that can be done statically by a taller climber. It happens to me all the time, that a move for me is way harder, and there is no way for me to hold my feet in position, because my hand otherwise can't reach. Overall, on plastic, I think tall climbers have it easier.

@@biomorphic You just notice it more. When tall climbers don't have good feet options because they're so high relative to the hands, you just shrug and think "they just need to get stronger hehe"; but it's similar for shorties: you can just get stronger and hold the position after cutting feet. It's just that one is more noticeable.

Thanks! Took some effort to capture the footage for sure.

Left climber is about 70 lbs heavier for sure, but still holds a strength/weight advantage.

Big weight difference. But left climber still holds a significant advantage in strength/weight ratio.

@pitchsix you say that like all taller climbers have a strength/weight advantage… 🤪

@@rickittyrickith7028 that wasn't my intent, and certainly not true. In this case, Cody in particular has a strength/weight advantage over Kat.

@@pitchsix I mean, this whole video is an over generalization so why make that claim as well?

Thanks @conserve... We're trying to make this as accessible for all--which also includes making sure we have cash flow to do that! If you're a new user, go to the Settings/Device Info screen and connect to your device. Doing this "registers" the device and gives you a three-month pro subscription.

Definitely!

Thanks for the comment @richardcarey169

Hi Britney, snapping onto the plate is a secondary objective for the Force Board. The initial design is to snap onto the belt and I'd recommend using that primarily as it's a bit simpler. The diameter of the d-rings on the belt is 5.0mm. The diameter of the plate loops is a bit over 6mm, so it is harder to snap onto the plate. If you really want to try, then align the poles vertically. I just tested that and it snapped on easier with a pole that whose snaps have been used a bit more than yours have. They are probably a bit looser.

Any key influencers you would recommend we reach out to in this market?

@@pitchsix Jarrell Lindsay, Coach Paul Wade, Drew Baye, Stan Plusken, Dennis Rogers, Pete Sisco, Doug McGuff, and anyone in their circles. This is where you'll find people bending steel. This is where you'll find a new tribe.🙏

@@pitchsix You should contact Raja, the Synapse CCR creator.

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@@pitchsix Bud Jeffries and Logan Christopher too. Don’t know how I left those guys out.

Hi Emile, I'm off this mark right now, but my best 2-hand 20 mm peak force was 338 lbs at a body weight of 162. That's a bit over 2x body weight. We've measured a lot of people in this test. The best we've recorded so far is 368 lbs pull for a 130 lb person. That translates to 283% of BW! Again, that is with two hands on a 20mm edge (no wrapping the bar with thumbs). In general, we are seeing two one-hand peak pulls roughly sum to your peak force with two hands. We're also seeing most folks be even on pull up vs pull down pulls.

It was very difficult. Pulling on the rope just tightened it over the ankle, increasing the pain. I had to find some holds on the rock and then eventually the quickdraw to pull up on. Avoid at all costs!

If my only choice is too hot or totally numb, then I'd agree with the too hot!

Hey @ambrose13, of course every situation is different. In this particular case, I inspected the stopper carefully and felt it was a good piece. Looking at the climbing section, I felt like I might actually fall. I chose to put a sling on the piece and stepped in the sling. It held my weight and I was able to reach edge of the summit block and mantle to safety. It wasn't quite as easy as that sounds though. Even though I could reach the top, everything above the lip was covered in about 4 inches of moss, fed from snowfields on the summit. I was grasping for anything I would reach, but all I was able to grab were fistfuls of wet moss! It was 10PM and dark already. I had failed to pull out the headlamp before starting the pitch so vision was difficult. l was dreading falling backward into the darkness and what I was sure would be a huge fall if the piece below didn't hold. I eventually managed to unearth a couple of wet handholds from below the moss and did the beached whale move onto the top. Finally safe!

@@pitchsix Yikes! Sounds like you had a proper epic and made the right call :)

They are pretty handy. We're doing some UA-cam shorts for training on the Force Board device.

It's been fun so far. I saw some gains after the first week. Hopefully will test tomorrow at end of week 2.