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Keith Horn
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I am a composer, arranger, and songwriter by day and wonky music researcher by night. I compose and arrange music for television.
Bartok's "Beast" chord from Concerto for Orchestra
This chord from Bartok's "Concerto for Orchestra" sounds like a beast has just entered the room.
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Відео
This is counterintuitive. The circle of fifths is backward.
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I think the circle of fifths is backward and we need to rethink how we teach music with it
This Bartok chord sounds JUST LIKE Stravinsky!
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Analysis of a chord from the finale of "Concerto for Orchestra" music by Bela Bartok open.spotify.com/track/0DZbJqCHMdqmqhVOFhqfmT?si=3203972218004fe6
The “RIKKI” chord
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The bassoon solo from The Rite of Spring
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Stravinsky didn't write the opening melody to The Rite of Spring. It's a Lithuanian wedding song
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Ludwig Goransson's Oppenheimer harmony
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What is the first chord in Poor Things?
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What is the the Back to the Future chord?
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What is the Rite of Spring chord?
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What is the Rite of Spring chord?
It's sort of an inverted Hendrix cord
Sort of - adding a G would do the trick.
Skyrim battle music
It does kind of give that vibe!
Brad Mehldau uses this all the time, although without a lot of the doubling.
Good to know! I'll go have a listen.
5:47 My mind immediately goes "F minor 11 over G".
Right! I suppose those two chords are enharmonically equivalent
6:28 Some of those mistakes sounded good those. Especially at 6:07. Very different vibe even though it's just one note difference.
Thanks! As I'm not a jazz pianist, this one pushes my abilities a bit.
Maybe this isn't a helpful way of looking at it, but personally, I see those first three chords all as being different levels of tension over the V7 (G7). You can look at the E minor over F minor as a structure from G mix. b2, then G13 as a less tense colour taken from plain G mix., before upping the tension again with a structure taken from (maybe) G super loc. I doubt he thought of it that way though. Like you said, he wrote this with the movement of each voice in mind.
That's a nice way of looking at it. The first chord is almost the whole Gmix b2 scale!
The first time i heard the rite of spring i was shocked to hear how much Stravinsky had borrowed from John Williams’ Star Wars soundtrack ;)
Ha! Nice one.
Been watching loads of these weekly chords man so good, love from UK!
Thanks! Love from LA!
This is amazing. I was planning on making my own electric version of this movement but now there's no point. Were all the parts performed on keyboard? (minus the drums)
Thanks! That's me on guitars. There are a few synth parts doubling here and there, though. You should still do your own version!
Isnt that first one nearly identical to the chord in augurs of spring section?
Almost! If the left hand was a D major triad it would be the same voicing
@Keith_Horn Yeah exactly. That's really interesting that Stravinsky used nearly the same chord later on in the rite of spring
i like your eyes halo
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Mario world castle
Ha! It does kind of resemble that chord! MW Castle is G-C-Db stacked a couple of times
Not every melody is best understood by describing it in chord terms.
Ai generated song
Even though AI did not exist back then ?
It’s melodic too. It could be seen as going from V-I Emaj and then V-i-vii-i-V Amin(or maj). If you’d want to write counterpoint that would be the way. There is a lot of harmonic room here for crunchy counterpoint if we wanted
Correct if wrong, but it’s moving lines that create the sonorities, not chords as a jazz pianist would think of them. Right?
You're right about that when it comes to melodic lines interweaving and creating fleeting incidental harmonies. This piece has plenty of that. But in this specific spot it's more of a static vertical sonority.
Except as I understand it, Stravinsky was lying and that there are many other previously existing tunes within the Rite of Spring
You're right - there are several other folk songs throughout ROS but he didn't own up to all of them. At least not publicly.
Ok but "stravinskij was lying" it's too much. Please. Other great composers have used folk music: Bach, Beethoven, Liszt, Mahler. But they are the geniuses who made a masterpiece from a nice folk melody. So it's Stravinskij. A genius, not a liar. Jeez.
Is it basically one of those that guitar players call "Hendrix chords"?
Almost - If you take out the G# you'd have the Hendrix voicing of a 7#9
Yes
Dude: your video is great. But move your ring light so it doesn’t reflect in your glasses; very distracting.
Good tip! Thanks for the feedback.
@@Keith_Horn Meant as helpful input. I love this piece, and I wrote a paper about it in college. (Well, it was an undergrad paper so you could imagine how bad it was.)
hell yeah
This is a great video
Thank you! Such an interesting chord.
@@Keith_Horn Interesting chord indeed
The flutes here 😊
So good! Doubled with violin 1 and picc trumpet!
Great highlight. Thanks. Love Concerto for Orchestra. I think more people would listen to this kind of music if they imagined it as film music (and these C20th composers did it first!)
I think you're right. Music for Strings, Percussion, and Celeste is possibly his most popular work because of it's use in film (The Shining, Eternal Daughter, etc)
Keith: "Especially the early pieces" Also Keith: "and now, the Concerto!" :) This was a great short vid about this part of the Concerto. My single humble comment is that the metal band and Frankenstein are not the proper associations here. Both examples have an unnatural quality; while Bartók's world is always kind of naturalistically natural. He does not search an effect to shock the audience with something that had been unheard; instead, he is always looking for a more deep and honest depicting of the human soul that ever heard. So it is not about shocking, but about honesty. These night musics are dominantly about the loneliness. A single soul in the center of the creature - either a cosmical view or some night narute picture or anything - which is either amusing or frightening, but does follow its own way, regardless to the presence of any last human being or non-presence at all. And this "rigidness" of the physical world puts the soul in a great segregation and sorrow, This is the general program of the night musics.
Thanks for your thoughts! You might like my metal version of his String Quartet No 4 mvmt V: ua-cam.com/video/6TcyOKJilHI/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
My old bass has the low B. And I love her.
Nice!
Bartok is a monster... In all the good ways
Agreed!
I'm glad I found your channel with this video :) I think most people can get a connection to Bartok through Kubrick's shining. Maybe it's worth a video? It's really awesomely used by Kubrick!
That’s a great idea. Was it Strings, Perc, and Celeste that was in The Shining?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_for_Strings,_Percussion_and_Celesta
Once upon a time, the Concerto for Orchestra and The Rite of Spring were popular disc mates (such as in Herbert von Karajan's recording for Deutsche Grammophon).
Two of the great pieces!
this channel is exhillarating to me. I cant read sheet music but understand theory, and to see how film scores and classical composers use harmony is opening my mind completely. after only studying jazz harmony, every video I wartch on your channel has me going "wait you are allowed to do that???"
I’m so glad to hear the videos are helpful for you. I find chords exhilarating, too!
Do Il tabarro 5 before rehearsal 2. BDFACE, probably just B half dim with some appogiaturas but it’s so nice.
I'll check it out! Thanks for the recommendation.
I completely agree with everything you say here. Bartók is woefully underrated and deserves to be elevated at least to the level of his 20th Century contemporaries. American orchestras should include at least one substantial piece by him every season. “Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta” is absolute genius, for example. (The sync’ing of the “beast” chord to “Frankenstein” worked amazingly well. Thanks for that.)
Thank for watching. I'm so encouraged by all the Bartok fans out there.
Horn’s analysis is great- does this harken back to Monk?
That would be fun to dig into. Is there a specific song you're thinking of?
The next step in orchestrational analysis are the resultant tones you get from this instrument choices and tessituras. These low-register string tremolos feed off each other by reinforcing overtones, making the Db even more dissonant in contrast. The actual instruments in a live performance, as you can hear, have a much more devastating quality.
Good point. The low E, A, and C would contain hints of B, G#, C#, and G 9among others). I've never heard this live - I don't remember the last time it was programmed her in LA.
You should feature some Prokofiev chords
Great suggestion! I've been combing through "Love for Three Oranges"
and a tribute to Beethoven!
That would be a deep dive!
how interesting
Keith - the algorithm just showed me this series of yours. What a fantastic idea for a series of videos! Best wishes to you.
Thanks! Glad you’re enjoying it.
In a documentary on Netflix about Stravinsky you can hear a folk group singing the melody he used on the famous "Round dance of the princesses" from the Firebird. In Petroushka, he doesn't even try to hide the origin of the melodies. I mean, in his early work he did that all the time! Just amazing how the harmonic approach, voicing and orchestration can change everything. Stravinsky is the man! Thanks for the video!
I'll check out that documentary!
Chord can be built off the tonic of any major mode #2, i.e Ionian #2 etc. Thas the R b3 (enharmonic #2) 3 5 I hear it as 7#9 chord, without the b7 *but is it a dominant chord without the b7, depends if it goes to 4 of the possible western logical places like major or minor, some form of B, Ab, F, or D* or Aadd#9 I haven't listened to the whole piece, so I am eager to see where it goes! Thanks for exposing this beast of a chord man. Love it.
It does have that 7#9 quality, I suppose. Any variation of a mM triad is always interesting to my ears.
@Keith_Horn oh yes absolutely @
May I suggest if you can do a video about the chord around the ending of Mark Anthony Turnage's "Three Screaming Pope".
I’ll give it a listen. Thanks for the recommendation!
Interestingly simple chord - 8vb doubling of the A minor triad adds so much depth.
Totally - it sounds more complex than it is, I think.
coool
Feel suicidal! But it's allright...
Another incredible harmonic delight to ruminate upon. Thanks for bringing up this “beast of a chord.” I love close played clusters- dark and dirty is sometimes the way and the truth. Bartok is amazing!
The way and the truth indeed!
At the time Bartok wrote this, he knew he was dying from leukemia. That chord is a deep, heart-felt pang of his foreboding of the overwhelmingly sad inevitability of his approaching death. How you equate THAT to a headbanger's sensibility of a "beast" - is beyond me. Though there are indeed plenty of beasts and other dark figures to be found elsewhere in Bartok's music, this is not one of them. Like many European composers of his day, he had been forced to flee his beloved homeland because the Nazis were systematically exterminating his people and considered music like his to be "degenerate" art. In a heroic act, Bartok spent many years combing the countryside of his region recording - and basically rescuing for posterity - his people's folk music. He was directly embroiled in one of the most heinous acts of the 20th century, and probably all time - Naziism. Though you trivialize and equate this profoundly sad music by equating it with the bogeyman and heavy metal is misinterpreting this music for maybe millions of unknowing fans, I am still glad you are exposing this magnificent music to a new audience. For you folks out there, check out: Divertimento, Concerto for Orchestra, Music for Strings, Percussion and Celeste, the Miraculous Mandarin Suite, Dance Suite, Concerto for Viola and many others. Though Bartok delved deeply into the darkest regions of the human psyche, he also emerged triumphant, powerful and hopeful in the end.
You're right that in this period he was very sick and nearing the end of his life. It's also well documented that he fled Hungary to escape the horrors of the war. But do we know for certain that this work is programmatic or autobiographical? You raise a fascinating and ancient conversation concerning what art is "about". Meaning is sometimes in the ear of the beholder, I suppose. Of course there are innumerable pieces that have a narrative or personal nature (i.e La Mer, Le Sacre, Sleeping Beauty, Mahler's symphonies etc.) so we can be certain what they are about. But if there's a lack of certainty about the narrative or personal nature of art are we not free to interpret the work as we hear it? Did Bartok speak or write about the autobiographical nature of this piece? If so I would love to read it so I can deepen my knowledge of his work. Those are all amazing works that you cited. I first discovered Bartok through his string quartets. Thanks for your thoughts.
Just two corrections: "At the time Bartok wrote this, he knew he was dying from leukemia" - he wrote the Concerto in 1943, while his leukemia was diagnosed in 1944. "he had been forced to flee his beloved homeland because the Nazis were systematically exterminating his people" - the Nazis weren't systematically exterminating the Hungarians. They were systematically exterminating the Jews, but even that happened later.
@@lauterunvollkommenheit4344 Good to know the date of his diagnosis compared to the composition of this piece.
@@Keith_Horn Yes, facts are always useful.
3:24 It‘s not "Fünfstaiger Bass" but "fünfsaitiger Bass" which literally translates to five (= fünf) stringed (= saitig + suffix -er) base (= Bass).
You're correct - ich muss brush up on my German.
It's "fünfsaiter" and just means having five strings. And mostly, the lowest string is tuned to C not B. Thank you for your interesting videos!
Ich stehe korrigiert! Thanks for clarifying that.
If you ask me, Rick Beato looks more like Villa-Lobos than Bartok. :-) Anyway, the entire Concerto for Orchestra is amazingly evocative. The start of the third movement always makes me think of descending into deep, dark water, with sharks circling around, so perhaps not a bad idea to end up with a beast of a chord.
You're so right about Villa-Lobos! I never saw that before. It's cool how Bartok's music can evoke imagery so easily.
Which sound libraries do you use in your mock-up videos? Especially the brass? They are fiiiiine 👍
Thanks! I use Cinebrass mostly but I have a few instruments from Opus Brass, Samplemodeling, and V Horns. For strings I use all the libraries - a few patches from here and a few patches from there. Cinematic Studio Strings, NI Symphony Strings, Symphobia, etc.