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Why Silksong Is Taking So Long
Wondering why Silksong is taking so long to come out? And why Team Cherry is staying silent? This video has the answers.
0:00 Intro
1:17 Humble Beginnings
2:29 Kickstarter
4:06 Initial Success
5:55 Nintendo's Influence
7:39 Breakthrough
10:02 Financial Difficulties
12:02 Sales
13:36 Shipping a Game
15:41 Sequel Troubles
18:05 Scope Creep
20:20 Controlled Scope Creep
25:32 Unhealthy Expectations
Description:
In 2017, Team Cherry launched Hollow Knight, a game that redefined the Metroidvania genre and captivated gamers worldwide. Over seven years later, fans are still eagerly waiting for the next chapter, Hollow Knight: Silksong, but Team Cherry has kept updates scarce, leaving the fanbase in a mix of frustration and curiosity. Why has Silksong’s development taken so long, and why has Team Cherry remained silent?
At major gaming events like Gamescom 2024’s Opening Night Live, Silksong dominated the conversation despite not even being present. Host Geoff Keighley even issued a pre-show warning to fans, reminding them not to expect Silksong updates.
In this video, we explore the possible reasons behind Silksong's delays, how Hollow Knight’s massive success may have created new challenges for Team Cherry, and why this situation isn’t as unusual as it might seem.
Sources:
web.archive.org/web/20190310082116/www.gameinformer.com/2018/10/15/the-making-of-hollow-knight
www.rockpapershotgun.com/hollow-knight-concept-art
www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/6rvds8/we_are_team_cherry_the_developers_of_hollow/
www.kickstarter.com/projects/11662585/hollow-knight
www.kickstarter.com/projects/11662585/hollow-knight/posts/1088384
web.archive.org/web/20190821064827/www.gameinformer.com/preview/2019/06/12/weaving-together-a-worthy-sequel
www.positech.co.uk/cliffsblog/2016/03/10/actually-shipping-a-game/
www.pressreader.com/australia/edge/20190131/281685436051478
www.vice.com/en/article/why-its-so-hard-to-make-a-video-game/
kotaku.com/why-video-games-cost-so-much-to-make-1818508211
ua-cam.com/video/-7NgnKRJRBE/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/pDSVnMEV3K8/v-deo.html
www.reddit.com/r/metroidvania/comments/oebdg6/the_hollow_knight_silksong_edge_interview/
www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/a39875481/george-rr-martin-winds-of-winter-finishing-update/
www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1dmndx6/hollow_knight_silksong_is_not_in_dev_hell_says/
www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/pek7c4/hungry_knighta_profound_waste_of_time_magazine/
ua-cam.com/video/IcgmmBEEHsk/v-deo.html
aftermath.site/stardew-valley-concernedape-haunted-chocolatier-interview
archive.ph/20061207184615/www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=27412
arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/07/star-citizen-creator-calls-bullshit-on-feature-creep-and-over-ambition/
0:00 Intro
1:17 Humble Beginnings
2:29 Kickstarter
4:06 Initial Success
5:55 Nintendo's Influence
7:39 Breakthrough
10:02 Financial Difficulties
12:02 Sales
13:36 Shipping a Game
15:41 Sequel Troubles
18:05 Scope Creep
20:20 Controlled Scope Creep
25:32 Unhealthy Expectations
Description:
In 2017, Team Cherry launched Hollow Knight, a game that redefined the Metroidvania genre and captivated gamers worldwide. Over seven years later, fans are still eagerly waiting for the next chapter, Hollow Knight: Silksong, but Team Cherry has kept updates scarce, leaving the fanbase in a mix of frustration and curiosity. Why has Silksong’s development taken so long, and why has Team Cherry remained silent?
At major gaming events like Gamescom 2024’s Opening Night Live, Silksong dominated the conversation despite not even being present. Host Geoff Keighley even issued a pre-show warning to fans, reminding them not to expect Silksong updates.
In this video, we explore the possible reasons behind Silksong's delays, how Hollow Knight’s massive success may have created new challenges for Team Cherry, and why this situation isn’t as unusual as it might seem.
Sources:
web.archive.org/web/20190310082116/www.gameinformer.com/2018/10/15/the-making-of-hollow-knight
www.rockpapershotgun.com/hollow-knight-concept-art
www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/6rvds8/we_are_team_cherry_the_developers_of_hollow/
www.kickstarter.com/projects/11662585/hollow-knight
www.kickstarter.com/projects/11662585/hollow-knight/posts/1088384
web.archive.org/web/20190821064827/www.gameinformer.com/preview/2019/06/12/weaving-together-a-worthy-sequel
www.positech.co.uk/cliffsblog/2016/03/10/actually-shipping-a-game/
www.pressreader.com/australia/edge/20190131/281685436051478
www.vice.com/en/article/why-its-so-hard-to-make-a-video-game/
kotaku.com/why-video-games-cost-so-much-to-make-1818508211
ua-cam.com/video/-7NgnKRJRBE/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/pDSVnMEV3K8/v-deo.html
www.reddit.com/r/metroidvania/comments/oebdg6/the_hollow_knight_silksong_edge_interview/
www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/a39875481/george-rr-martin-winds-of-winter-finishing-update/
www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1dmndx6/hollow_knight_silksong_is_not_in_dev_hell_says/
www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/pek7c4/hungry_knighta_profound_waste_of_time_magazine/
ua-cam.com/video/IcgmmBEEHsk/v-deo.html
aftermath.site/stardew-valley-concernedape-haunted-chocolatier-interview
archive.ph/20061207184615/www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=27412
arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/07/star-citizen-creator-calls-bullshit-on-feature-creep-and-over-ambition/
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awesome video
I quit a few years ago. No issues
Give them 5 more years. They’re making a masterpiece.
Simply, congrats on the videos huge numbers!
team cherry? like the creators of kocmoc firework and more
I actually quit it. It was nice but not amazing, until to me. It gets boring after a while and there is no story so no incentives to keep going
Lets be serious- it will never release.
Let them cook!
I just want something, anything. Just a little "hey, development is going well and we're not dead!" Would probably feed the silk schizos for a good 4 months
I'd rather wait for 7 years to get a masterpiece than to wait 5 years to get a half finished game.
So we’re all scumbags and team cherry is just making are future game better and better. Oh and ofc money is evil
They don’t owe us anything, not like we’ve all collectively signed a contract. By playing someone’s first game you are not owed a sequel. Let them be, let them enjoy the luxury of creative freedom, the harder you push the longer it will take
Game has been in development longer than GTA 6 😭
Finally someone else pointed out how TC delayed hollow knight twice and that silksong getting delayed follows that pattern
As much as I whole-heartedly believe in the "let them cook" mindset, Team Cherry could've probably dropped the game years ago to satisfactory results 💀. Mostly because its gonna be a whole decade later by the time we finally get it at this rate
13:10 where is terraria? It has like 1 mil reviews on steam
Ok I think they are literally gonna continue making it until they run out of money
They can't run out bruh. They can easily retire, do the math. At least 1 mil sales for 15 dollars. They are millionaires.
1:02 none of this is true their just dead (joke)
Maybe 2 years later
I'm happy to wait as long as they need 😊
I LOVE card games but StS never clicked for me, I put about 20 hours in and beat it on 3 characters but just didn't find the combos interesting and thought the rogue-like random elements were too repetitive. I'm happy for the devs, but I just don't get the hype.
this game is awesome ... im doing them at moment
Been playing this game for almost 4 years I think and it’s still the game I play the most till this day. Perfectly balanced. Might wait about 3 months after 2 comes out to buy that one so I get ahead on the balancing updates.
I have been playing slay the Spire since it's beta, and at this point it has become a surity that I will return to the game every few months for a another fevered few weeks of avid play. Getting it on my phone this time round has made that all the more prominent. I never understood why this one game was so much better, but now I can truly appreciate the elegance.
This video made me remember the old video game TV shows of the 90s and 00s when you tuned in for the gems of the year. Amazing. Indies really capture that sense of wonder in videogames. Really good list and hope for a 2024 new list. You channel has potencial, and your last 2 videos (slay the spire and hollow knight) show that. Keep the good work.
Thanks! A 2024 video is in the works, so keep an eye on the channel ;)
Only thing i can heard in the early development is the trash taste music
People who are clamoring every single second of their lives about Silksong are just straight up psychopaths. It's as simple as that. Just forget about Silksong and do something productive instead.
I just wish they were more vocal about things. Like, just make a post every other month and go "i spent sixty five hours fixing one bug this week :/" and i would be totally content
Atrioc told me it's coming out this year though
13:16 bro forgot terraria smh my head
Good things come to those who wait
Deepnest was reduced in size? Thank god
So it's due to the emotionally immature "fans" who can't find enough satisfaction in their real life (or at least other games), to be happpy. As someone who likes to read youtube comments, I totally get that. Wish them well, hope to take their time and not let the "fans" get under their skin too much.
All i can think of with Silksong is that _surely_ it can't be that hard to send a tweet once every six months simply saying "still alive, still working on it". The last communication from TC is almost 1.5 years ago. I'm sorry, i get they're a tiny indie studio but after a release like Hollow Knight and showing Silksong off at shows it's just legitimately shitty to go radio silent like this. Also the fact that Silksong is literally a kickstarter reward for OG Hollow Knight meaning they actually kinda owe it to OG kickstarter backers to give updates
Thing is, HK had an initial release and a bunch of add-on releases. They can control scope creep to ship Silksong and then deliver addons.
The silence in my opinion does more harm than good. I’m sure the game will be fantastic, but silence doesn’t give supporters reasons to be positive, it only gives rise to more negative voices. More communication is always better than less, even if it’s not giving release dates or specific game info.
I just opened the video bc i quited slay the spire lol
It used to be that a big budget games with tens-hundreds of people working on them took 4-5 years to develop. Can you imagine what it must be like for Team Cherry? Unless they've hired people the last I heard it was a 3 man team. People are actually expecting from 3 people what took hundreds to make in less time?
I’ve never played it so technically correct
slop video
At first I was upset, but I've stopped having expectations regarding communication or the release date by now. It's clear that Team Cherry doesn't want to give out any of that information and the game is just going to release when it releases. I have reached a state of zen in which I genuinely do not care if Silksong comes out or not. I have other fun games to play and if it comes out soon, Silksong will be one of those games. Until then, there are tons of things with which I can occupy myself
You’re telling me that Deepnest isn’t completed?? It’s already huge
Alternative title: "does team cherry work?"
Really great video that explains it really well, thanks! I was searching for context on this topic. This was really well done. I think you just got a new subscriber.
Incredibly well put together video, I'm actually taken aback. Thank you for making it.
I dont believe most are disappointed.. im just waiting. And it went from a dlc to a full game.. and masterpieces takes time.
so proud of team cherry for hiring mojangs devs and valves PR team
Diceomancer says hi
Hollow Knight fans would crumble if they were F-Zero fans.
Too long? Really? You didn't seen how long episode 5 of long dark takes to release