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Frag Garage / Beyond The Reef Podcast
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Home of Frag Garage Corals and The Beyond The Reef Podcast
As the health of the world’s coral reefs hold at a delicate balance, regulations for coral exportation become stricter and more limited. We strive to bring you the healthiest and most colourful aquarium-cultured corals possible, having very little impact on the natural environment. The majority of our corals have been cultivated in aquarium conditions for many years. We promise to only ship corals that we as hobbyists would be pleased to receive ourselves.
As the health of the world’s coral reefs hold at a delicate balance, regulations for coral exportation become stricter and more limited. We strive to bring you the healthiest and most colourful aquarium-cultured corals possible, having very little impact on the natural environment. The majority of our corals have been cultivated in aquarium conditions for many years. We promise to only ship corals that we as hobbyists would be pleased to receive ourselves.
Episode 35: Reinventing How You Reef & Overcoming Plateaus (Mike Paletta + Multiple Guests)
For the our first episode of 2025, we bring you a discussion with multiple guests, looking to reinventing how you run your reef and to potentially overcome plateaus. Adam Talks to Mike Paletta (author and recipient of the 2022 MASNA Award), John Yull (Reefworks Corals) Dmitry Tumanov (Treasure Corals) and Allan Vo (The Coral Reeftank) to get different perspectives on this very broad topic. They discuss ways to improve colour, growth and maybe when it’s time to do a reset or make a more dramatic change. We thank you for all your support and hope to keep bringing you better and better content in 2025. Happy reefing!
Photos courtesy of CRT Reefs / Allan and Hung Vo
Mike Paletta Links:
reefbuilders.com/author/mikepaletta/
www.reef2reef.com/ams/authors/mike-paletta.13180/
www.coralmagazine.com/2022/09/02/michaele-paletta-honored-with-2022-masna-award/
www.tfhmagazine.com/articles/saltwater/reef-tank-maintenance-you-should-be-doing
reefs.com/the-2022-masna-aquarist-of-the-year-and-masna-award-recipients/
Reefworks Links:
www.reefworkscorals.com/
reefworkscorals/
reefworks_corals
Treasure Corals Links:
www.youtube.com/@UCpOOkw6SmsYqg722u9-2XvA
Website: treasurecorals.com
Etsy Store: www.etsy.com/ca/shop/Treasure...
Instagram: / treasurecorals
Aquarium Details: aquaticlog.com/treasurecorals
CRT Reef Links:
crt_reefs
www.reef2reef.com/threads/some-of-my-acro-collection.173621/
ua-cam.com/video/zlwpWqekkjw/v-deo.htmlsi=YFv8o9M_q2THyHiq
ua-cam.com/video/oKuLskvBVl0/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/Vq-jGBQy8EU/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/LwpZc9S4rxI/v-deo.htmlsi=2TMxY-fQXlrGX_rn
Frag Garage Links:
www.patreon.com/BeyondTheReefPodcast
fraggarage.ca/
fraggarage
ua-cam.com/channels/LkiAJNqvoIRDRTFs34e6Tw.html
fraggarage
Beyond the Reef Merch!
fraggarage.ca/product-category/swag/
Products Discussed:
www.coralvue.com/abyzz-afc150-flow-pump
aquaticlog.com
Photos courtesy of CRT Reefs / Allan and Hung Vo
Mike Paletta Links:
reefbuilders.com/author/mikepaletta/
www.reef2reef.com/ams/authors/mike-paletta.13180/
www.coralmagazine.com/2022/09/02/michaele-paletta-honored-with-2022-masna-award/
www.tfhmagazine.com/articles/saltwater/reef-tank-maintenance-you-should-be-doing
reefs.com/the-2022-masna-aquarist-of-the-year-and-masna-award-recipients/
Reefworks Links:
www.reefworkscorals.com/
reefworkscorals/
reefworks_corals
Treasure Corals Links:
www.youtube.com/@UCpOOkw6SmsYqg722u9-2XvA
Website: treasurecorals.com
Etsy Store: www.etsy.com/ca/shop/Treasure...
Instagram: / treasurecorals
Aquarium Details: aquaticlog.com/treasurecorals
CRT Reef Links:
crt_reefs
www.reef2reef.com/threads/some-of-my-acro-collection.173621/
ua-cam.com/video/zlwpWqekkjw/v-deo.htmlsi=YFv8o9M_q2THyHiq
ua-cam.com/video/oKuLskvBVl0/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/Vq-jGBQy8EU/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/LwpZc9S4rxI/v-deo.htmlsi=2TMxY-fQXlrGX_rn
Frag Garage Links:
www.patreon.com/BeyondTheReefPodcast
fraggarage.ca/
fraggarage
ua-cam.com/channels/LkiAJNqvoIRDRTFs34e6Tw.html
fraggarage
Beyond the Reef Merch!
fraggarage.ca/product-category/swag/
Products Discussed:
www.coralvue.com/abyzz-afc150-flow-pump
aquaticlog.com
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Episode 34: 2024 Year End Review - Peter Dinh (Bayarea Reef)
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Adam and Peter reflect on reef keeping in the year of 2024: the new products, techniques, lessons learned and controversies. Peter is a hardcore reefer, content creator and photographer. Be sure to follow everything he’s up to at the links below: Bayarea Reef Links: www.youtube.com/@bayarea_reef bayarea_reef linktr.ee/bayareareef Frag Garage Links: www.patreon.com/BeyondTheReefPo...
Dr. Andrew Bouwma - Microbiome Testing, Lessons and Results
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The quest to understanding a reef aquarium's microbiome has led hobbyist and educator Dr. Andy Bouwma down a path of discovery, via Aquabiomics microbiome testing services. Adam discusses with Andy how to interpret the test results and respectively, what he's been able to observe, learn and implement over a sizeable period of time in his home aquarium. They discuss his mixed reef, along with so...
Episode 32: Talkin LPS with Tin Nugyen - Coral Exotic
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A departure from the usual 'stickhead' conversations, Adam invites Thinh Nguyen from Coral Exotic to dive in to some of his tips and tricks for keeping healthy and colourful LPS. They discuss many species, their lighting, flow, feeding requirments and much more. Corals Exotic 20% off promotion: use code: BTR20 at checkout, during the Black Friday Sale. Please provide a screenshot after you subm...
Where Do Our Corals Come From? Rudy Batara - Golden Basket Reef
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Adam speaks with Rudy Batara of Golden Basket Reef about his extensive experience in the coral and fish industry, including the processes of growing, importing, and exporting corals. They discuss the differences in wild collection versus mari-culture, regulations involved, including CITES requirements, various costs and some of the challenges of sourcing unique coral morphs and species. Golden ...
Episode 30: Elliot Azhdam Golden State Corals
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Adam meets with Elliot Azhdam from Golden State Corals to dive into his methods and technics, culturing an amazingly array of colorful and unique corals. They discuss the store's display tank, his use of high par LED lighting, some tricks for the photoperiod, along with his implementation of kalkwasser and calcium reactors. Check out Golden State Coral’s website at the link below and don’t miss...
Episode 29: Misunderstood Topics in Reefkeeping w/ Doug Dorrat (Frag Farm UK)
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Adam sits down with Doug Dorrat to clear up some common misconceptions in the reef-keeping hobby. They cover topics from alkalinity, protein skimming, trace elements in salt mixes to the differences between ICP-MS and ICP-OES testing. Doug Dorrat is the owner and operator of Frag Farm UK. He contributes to product development, as well as offering his services as a certified ICP consultant for F...
Episode 28: 1 Year of BTR! Leonardo’s Reef Returns
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Adam invites BTR's first ever guest, Leo Den Breejen AKA Leonard's Reef, to catch up on a year of reefkeeping secrets! Leonardo’s Reef was founded in 2009 by Leonardo den Breejen, and gradually specialized in the propagation of corals from the Acropora genus. Leonardo, better known as “Leonardo’s Reef” online, has been a reefkeeper for over 20 years. In this period, he gained recognition with s...
Scratching the Surface of DOC’s: Christoph Denk (Oceamo) Salem Clemens (Reef Builders)
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A two part conversation, with Dr. Christoph Denk (Oceamo) and Salem Clemens (Reef Builders). We attempt to scratch the surface on a complex subject: dissolved oraganic carbon (DOC’s) and some of the ways in which these compounds may affect the health of our reef tanks. We break down some of the avaialbe testing methods, input and output soruces, ways to control and manage elevated levels, their...
Episode 26 - Thirsty for Thirsty's Reef with Johnny Shen
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Adam sits down with Johnny Shen from Thirsty’s Reef to discuss the incredible colors and growth he's able to achieve at his home-based aquaculture facility in Los Angeles, California. If you're in the USA and want to get your hands on some stunning corals, head over to www.thirstysreef.com and use the coupon code ‘BTR10’ at checkout. Don’t forget to send a screenshot proving that you subscribe ...
Tank Feature Series: Bertus Eksteen's 400 Gallon Reef
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Welcome to the first episode of our tank and hobbyist feature series! In this installment, Adam makes a trip to Calgary, Alberta, Canada, to visit Bertus Eksteen's stunning 400-gallon SPS-dominant reef aquarium, alongside his impressive LPS-dominant system. They discuss Bertus's methods, the equipment he employs, and an interesting solution for treating acropora eating flatworms. A dedicated ho...
Episode 25 - Australian Corals! Daniel Kimberley & Juno Siu (Monsoon Aquatics)
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Adam is joined by Daniel and Juno from Monsoon Aquatics, one of the largest exporters of Australian corals and fish. They discuss their sustainable methods for collecting and farming stunning corals from various regions of northern Australia and the Great Barrier Reef. Their conversation covers coral spawning research, advancements in optimizing flow and stability, fragging non-colonial corals,...
Episode 24: Chris Sabella (Sabella Fella / POTO)
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Adam sits down with Chris Sabella for a casual conversation about the methods and techniques Chris uses to achieve his remarkable results in color, growth, and stability. As a long-time master of the reef hobby, Chris has produced many corals for Pieces Of The Ocean, a New York-based company. Check out the POTO website for some of the best corals in the game! Chris and POTO Links: instagram.com...
Episode 23: Dr. Samuel Nietzer and Dr. Mareen Möller - SciReef
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Adam is joined by Dr. Samuel Nietzer and Dr. Mareen Möller: coral reproduction experts. Sam and Mareen met in 2008 during their undergraduate studies at the University of Würzburg. Their research collaboration began in 2010 with trips to Guam, USA, focusing on coral reproduction. They both earned their Masters, PhDs, and completed postdoctoral work at the University of Oldenburg under Prof. Dr....
Coral Farming in Germany! Corey T/Coralhead (White Corals)
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Coral Farming in Germany! Corey T/Coralhead (White Corals)
Coral Care Series Pt. 2 (SPS) - Chris Meckley (ACI)
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Coral Care Series Pt. 2 (SPS) - Chris Meckley (ACI)
Oceamo Laboratory Testing - Dr. Christoph Denk
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Oceamo Laboratory Testing - Dr. Christoph Denk
Coral Care Series Pt. 1 (SPS) - Chris Meckley (ACI)
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Coral Care Series Pt. 1 (SPS) - Chris Meckley (ACI)
Episode 18: Coral Nutrition - Allan Vo (CRT Reefs)
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Episode 18: Coral Nutrition - Allan Vo (CRT Reefs)
Episode 17: Pieces Of The Ocean (Kenny Lin)
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Episode 17: Pieces Of The Ocean (Kenny Lin)
Captive Coral Spawning - Dr. Jamie Craggs
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Captive Coral Spawning - Dr. Jamie Craggs
Episode 15: Claude Schuhmacher - Fauna Marin
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Episode 15: Claude Schuhmacher - Fauna Marin
The Psychology of Reefkeeping with Michael Paletta
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The Psychology of Reefkeeping with Michael Paletta
Episode 11: Collectors Corals (Anand Kaimal)
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Episode 11: Collectors Corals (Anand Kaimal)
Episode 10: Route 66 Marine (Eric Caamano)
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Episode 10: Route 66 Marine (Eric Caamano)
Episode 07: Chummingham's Reef (Ryan Cunningham)
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Episode 07: Chummingham's Reef (Ryan Cunningham)
Loved this episode!
This is the headiest, brainiest and nerdiest reef pod since the original reef therapy with Jake and Mark. If you’re not the top reef pod yet it’s only because people haven’t found this yet and don’t know what they’re missing. Please keep these coming man, cheers from a fellow music industry reefer 👊🏼
Thanks for the kind words!
I agree with Dimitry, I watch you for the depth and long content. I always learn something new. You are a very knowledgeable reefer yourself so you know the right questions to ask and you are also a good listener which also helps you to ask the right questions. Thank you for doing this, it's greatly appreciated!
Appreciate the kind words! Always trying to be a better reefer, but also a better interviewer, so it means a lot to hear that! cheers
Ha ha ha ha that’s Paleta mass right there these pumps pay for themselves as opposed to 13 pumps lol love it
How did you become an ICP Advisor?
FM/Claude S reached out to me
This is the most informative reefing channel.
Appreciate it!
I use Allan Ho’s concoction 2.0 (the one he sells). 2 observations: 1) leads to more acro color, growth, and extensions 2 ) kills or weakens Euphyllia I have experimented with the concoction long enough to prove to myself that both is true. Great for dense acro growth and really bad for torches.
Can you send link to purchase ?
Interesting, thanks for the feedback! Hopefully Allan weighs in on this.
@@fraggarage5922I have to qualify this. Torches don’t like the concoction in MY tank - the reaction is almost instant. And it makes MY sps extremely happy.
What is the name of that orange tang?
Is the ammonia Mike using the ammonia that the hobby has for starting a tank without fish or is it a different ammonia??
It's just ammonium bicarbonate you can buy on Amazon.
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This was a refreshing take. Multiple sweet interviews
Four for the price of one! thanks!
Another great podcast 👏 love to tune in while I'm working on the tank, fragged lots of acros while listening in. ❤
That's the best time to listen to reef pods! Cheers :)
Glad I found this channel/podcast on Spotify since reefbum is gone. Nice to see a fellow Canadian doing this as well. Thanks, Adam.
Appreciate that! Thanks for listening!
Question for Mike. What concentration of ammonia are you doing? 20g per L?
40g per litre.. Here's the original info Mike gave me when we did the last episode together: "we add 20 g to 500ml of water, and from that we add 40ml per day in 4 split doses to our 600 galon systems. Start slow and watch your nitrates. You may need to add a carbon source to keep them in check."
Love it!!
Great lineup, Adam! Hell of a way to kick off a new year. Looking forward to many more! Alan (and all of your guests, to be fair) is the kind of reefer we should all aspire to be. That guy digs deep and comes up with gems.
Heck yes, thank you!
Hey Adam, I noticed you mentioned not to use kalk with bolus Fauna ballin . I also know that Claude is saying somewhat the same thing. However, Claude also mentioned on his German channel that you can use kalkwasser at night in the winter time to offset the ph drop with no issues. I csn provide you with that video if you would like. Im a Bolus user and the PH definitely takes a sharp drop at night. Thoughts? Thanks.
You definitely can not use kalk with the Bolus method.
@DJDorrat explain please
@@Yazannreef Claude and I have explained it on previous videos. Hydroxides affect the surfaces that prevents the bolus from working.
Great episode, Adam.
I just don't get it 520 views. And 38 likes. Just wondering do you like it or don't. The like button is what keeps the Hobby going. The crazy thing people on Facebook is when people have a problem with there tanks. There's alot of people saying what to do to there tanks. I believe most of them don't know squat.But they have no problem to type.Just touch the like button.Its easy. Thanks for what you fo Adam!
Thanks buddy! It definitely helps! I have 421 likes on my most ‘liked’ video.. let’s see if we can beat it! 😮😅
People are lazy to hit the like button, dont get tangled on the likes 👍🏼 Go with the views the reach is more important IMO
Alan’s thoughts go deep. Another great stream, thank you all.
He does go deep indeed! The only thing shallow about Allan is his reef tanks! 😂
Great interview, lots of food for thought.
Haha! I was gonna mention it in the intro, but now it’s worth leaving it, just for the fun of it. It doesn’t last long at least!
@@fraggarage5922I’m sensitive to new noises, owning several fish tanks :).
My experience with the ammonia was a sudden increase in algae, mainly diatoms.
@@RadDadsReef how heavily stocked was the tank? How mature? think ammonia is best for heavy stocked, very established systems, but then again, every system is different..
@fraggarage5922 decently stocked mixed reef, more sps then anything. But have been battling low nitrates for a while. Tank is 14 months stocked. Running for 16 months.
I really like John He has great acros and takes the time to respond to hobbyists
600ml of Bicarb solution (which I believe the FM alk solution has been tested and proven to be through titration) would raise 600G by 0.7 dKh. This would correspond perfectly to a swing betwen 7.5 and 8.2. Sounds like a very low consumption for such a well stocked system though?
@@mrmud I thought the same; it seemed low. That said, I believe with bolus there is less precipitation, the Kh dose goes a lot further, so you shouldn’t need as much.. this also backs up what he mentioned about less detritus..
Well, if the prior reported swing (I assume consumption)of 1 DKH is accurate, then that represents a drop of 30%, does it not?
Goth Babe!? I knew it was you! Anyways love the podcast. Maybe a little less of the host telling the guest what they should do or what your way is and implying it’s better. I understand where you are coming from but for the past few decades it’s the downfall of the one upping in this hobby.
"goni closes up and I can't revive it" Man seen this so many times People say Manganese is the magic bullet, or feeding them - but they don’t seem to have a feeding response Blastos are figured out - they like super shaded , low light areas. Grow great. Like 20-30 par.
Been using Reef Crystals for 20 years. I cant attribute anything negative tank wise to the salt ever. Its always something ive done. Just make sure to test every bucket they do not all measure the same.
That's good to know! You never felt like you had a 'bad batch'?
@fraggarage5922 No never a feeling of "bad batch". The Alk seems to be all over the map from year to year but otherwise nothing out of line. The crud also seems to form when ya leave it mixing for too long exposed to air...as in brute can wide open, from my experience at least
Have u heard about the ratio nitrates to phosphate should be kept at a range of 50-1?
I have heard that and also a few people talk about even going closer to 10-1. I believe Dong from AcroGarden is all about those closer ratios. I'd like to have to have him on the show to check ;)
I have a horrible memory, I believe I heard it from Charles Delbeek, Curator of Aquarium Projects at Steinhart Aquarium, California Academy of Sciences speaker at high tide aquaticUA-cam channel. and he had some very interesting data to share Dong is always entertaining
Great chat guys yay Peter 🎉
We look at color and fast growth as an indication for health in the aquarium hobby but corals are not colorful, pretty brown and much stronger skeleton in the wild. Makes you wonder if the colors we are trying to get from our corals is actually making my them healthy…
i think you probably never diving many are also very colorfull and it is just because you look them under day light.
@ I have and it’s brown as shit. Just got back from Phi Phi Islands Thailand. Coral reefs look nothing like our tanks, you’re looking at photoshop online. Just because you see colorful collected corals don’t mean the reef is colorful, they are hand selected among thousands of other corals.
@@m4a1JAY sure we select the most nice bu they are many nice in the reef, I lived on a reef many years..
@@m4a1JAY many of those corals look amazing under LEDs Just like our tank corals look crappy with only daylight
It's hard to say because if you're viewing corals in the wild, you don't get that LED pop that we get in our systems.. I have seen freshly collected mari-culture acros under the facility lighting, compared to seeing them in the ocean farm.. They look amazing under the facility lighting. Of course these are corals grown from broodstock which were selected for their colour in aquariums. I definitely agree that colour is not always an indication of health though!
Super Podcast.
I appreciate someone like Johnny so much in this hobby, making it affordable for the average reefer. $1000 for a frag feels like a scam. Especially when the pictures representing the coral are edited.
Man oh man, must be nice to have the NP working correctly. For me it's just an over priced nitrate tester. Neptune has sent me 4 of them and 100% of the time the phosphate reading is zero. This product absolutely does not work. I started using the Reef Factory Smart Tester for Phosphate and it works amazingly well. If Reef Factory would ever release nitrate reagents I would ditch the NP.
the reef factory not work well on the long run just on the short run
@@tomg5405 Mine has worked consistently for over 6 months now.
😣 Graham Hancock is not a positive comparison, dude, please. 😣
Oh stop
I actually think your comment proves exactly why my example was a good comparison
@@fraggarage5922 I'm not saying it's not a good comparison, I'm saying it's an incredibly unflattering comparison. (I'm not commenting on the Bolus method at all, to be clear.) If you have a couple hours to spare, I highly recommend Miniminuteman's series reviewing "Ancient Apocalypse" as an entertaining and thorough exploration of why. There are definitely legitimate examples of amateurs coming into a scientific field and doing paradigm-shifting work. Graham Hancock is not one of them.
I’ve had 3 out of probably 100 wild green/grey Acan colonies go rainbow/ultra. No idea what does it.
Love the setup who made the tanks?
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We have been using BOLUS on our Acropora system at our facility since February of this year. We are very pleased with the results as we are learning more about the deep details being discovered.
Awesome episode Adam. I look forward for him to come back on. Thank you for all you do. New epsiodes of Frag Garage are the highlight of my day. Im pretty sure I've listeneded to every episode multiple times. There's a few episodes that I listen to ALOT. Keep up the great work and I look forward to the episodes for 2025.
That's awesome dude! Appreciate the support! Cheers
The brown crud from IO Reef Crystals does not remix, it seems lighter than water. It wont stick to bucket with RO/DI water but it does float and seems to aggregate together. Ive left it for about a week with flow and heat and it makes a weird scattered almost like ice effect. The longer you leave it the more it aggregates together but doesnt seem to mix into the water or sink in the water column. People seem to think its an impurity in the NaCl. My buckets all mix different as well some clean as hell, others leave a brown film no matter what.
This year I ditched my filter rollers subscription. At $650 a year I’ve yanked them out and went from Nyos 220 to 300.
This is something I’m thinking of doing is getting a bigger skimmer and not running my filter roller all the time.
@ when I do a water change, I drain and refill my sump. Now I rub it down with pad and have Nero cranked as the sicce drains the gunk out. My sump manufacturer said to get big filter socks, cut strips out, lay across sump where filter roll paper was. Pull and wash, brilliant. Great advice I have not done yet, he just suggested it. Nitrates are not worse in any way. I did get dragons breath macro for the Fuge in Nov,, had endless problems with Chaeto. Got it from top shelf aquatics and is growing nice. Good luck
Excellent!
Great session as always. Adam I'm struggling for polyp extension on my acros across both tanks. One tank has a mitratus butterfly, the other has a red sea angel- do you think these are the soul contributors to this? Both ICP's are good and both tanks corals are growing, but day time polyp extension is whack :(
@@LukeGreen_ thanks dude! I would check closely for acro bugs of you haven’t? That is the mostly likely culprit for poor pe.
That brightwell salt sounds like the same smell as prime with smells like sodium thiosulfate which is a declorinator. Just saying?
Yes that’s what I was thinking too.
Great podcast guys. Peter is pure gold for this hobby, everyone watching this should give him a follow and you will learn a ton.
Fluorine is quite toxic in its inorganic form. The reason some people find problems dosing fluoride is because they have low trace metals. There are a couple of those metals that are important in the conversation of fluorine to an organic form that is non-toxic.
Thanks for an awesome year of reefing, so much great info! Thank you! Happy New Year!!!🎉🎉 💙
Thanks, you too! Cheers
Keep up the hardwork man!!! Just found the channel and I am loving all the discussions
Looking forward to part 2!
I’m just wondering the name of the coral on the thumbnail? Thanks for the information