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The Cellar [Taigen Moon]
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I'm Taigen, and The Cellar is about history, curios, and anything that catches my fancy relating to video games. Check out the playlists for the general sorts of videos I make, and see what I've brought up from "The Cellar."
How Dissidia Died (Final Fantasy)
Today, I'm going to get something off my chest. My years-long love of the Dissidia Final Fantasy series, and its depressing downfall. I swear this is like the only one of these sorts of videos I'll do. This one's personal.
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Dissidia Community Discord: discord.gg/a44rneC
Music used (in approximate order):
Tomboy [huge side] - Street Fighter III New Generation Original Arrange Album
The Airship - Final Fantasy IV DS OST
Home Sweet Grave - Guilty Gear Isuka OST
Scent of Love - Bayonetta Pachislot OST
Starchaser - Guilty Gear XX Reload (Korean) OST
Iwatodai Dorm - Persona 3 OST
Desert Stage - Marvel vs Capcom 2 OST
Dudley's Theme - Street Fighter III 3rd Strike OST
Actor's Anteroom -Remastered- - Melty Blood Actress Again Current Code OST
Changing of the Seasons - Persona 3 OST
Subuta 1 - No More Heroes 2 OST
Boundless Network - Megaman Battle Network OST
The Reverse Will - Silent Hill 2 OST
Over - Silent Hill OST
Focus - Quake OST
Boss Battle Theme - Final Fantasy IV OST
At Doom's Gate - Doom OST
Playing with Danger - Team Fortress 2 OST
Tears Of - Silent Hill OST
Theme of Love - Final Fantasy IV OST
Searching for Friends - Final Fantasy VI OST
This is True Love Makin' - Capcom vs SNK 2 OST
Sources:
Bit-tech interview-
www.bit-tech.net/reviews/gaming/playstation/dissidia-final-fantasy-interview/1/
Transcript of an interview with Nomura from the 358/2 Ultimania guide book-
www.siliconera.com/dissidia-final-fantasy-originated-from-kingdom-hearts/
VG247 Interview with director Takeo Kujiraoka and producer Ichiro Hazama-
www.vg247.com/dissidia-final-fantasy-nt-interview-developers-talk-esports-reviving-classic-characters-fan-service-and-expectations
012 sales data-
web.archive.org/web/20120623022559/www.siliconera.com/2012/01/16/these-were-the-30-best-selling-games-of-2011-in-japan/
Automaton interview with Square Enix producer Ichiro Hazama, Takeo Kujiraoka, and director Yosuke Hayashi of Koei Tecmo-
web.archive.org/web/20160119171127/automaton.am/articles/news-bits/dissidia-developer-interview-part-1/
Road Rage research-
ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/olj/ojpcr/ojpcr_3_3/ojpcr_3_3d.html
www.webmd.com/women/features/root-cause-of-road-rage
ua-cam.com/video/OC-cK2hS0-o/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/Tx-H9UvPhKA/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/SSE-XwpuY9k/v-deo.html
2018 Shack News interview with Robin Walker and John Cook-
www.shacknews.com/article/103827/threading-the-needle-the-making-of-quake-team-fortress
NT poor sales-
www.gamereactor.eu/dissidia-final-fantasy-nt-showing-weak-punch-saleswise/
012 gameplay by KuroJet-
ua-cam.com/video/lpfbM2C9NmQ/v-deo.htmlsi=dRND68kfi5dqE6lN
012 tournament footage uploaded by LXD92-
ua-cam.com/video/Hol3YRNqouU/v-deo.html
Arcade footage by Mad Panic Gaming-
ua-cam.com/video/blHeJEqgahM/v-deo.html
Magfest Arcade time lapse by kevin zloft-
ua-cam.com/video/zoZVhz51-3Q/v-deo.html
Duke Nukem 3D multiplayer footage by HighTreasonLP-
ua-cam.com/video/SAE1ieWRnKI/v-deo.html
Square Enix Earnings reports (Q3 2018 cited)-
www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/library/explanatory.html
Metadata stuff:
#cellar
Patreon→ www.patreon.com/taigenmoon
Ko-fi→ ko-fi.com/taigenmoon
Subscribe → ua-cam.com/users/TheCellarTaigenMoon
Twitter → MoonTaigen
Dissidia Community Discord: discord.gg/a44rneC
Music used (in approximate order):
Tomboy [huge side] - Street Fighter III New Generation Original Arrange Album
The Airship - Final Fantasy IV DS OST
Home Sweet Grave - Guilty Gear Isuka OST
Scent of Love - Bayonetta Pachislot OST
Starchaser - Guilty Gear XX Reload (Korean) OST
Iwatodai Dorm - Persona 3 OST
Desert Stage - Marvel vs Capcom 2 OST
Dudley's Theme - Street Fighter III 3rd Strike OST
Actor's Anteroom -Remastered- - Melty Blood Actress Again Current Code OST
Changing of the Seasons - Persona 3 OST
Subuta 1 - No More Heroes 2 OST
Boundless Network - Megaman Battle Network OST
The Reverse Will - Silent Hill 2 OST
Over - Silent Hill OST
Focus - Quake OST
Boss Battle Theme - Final Fantasy IV OST
At Doom's Gate - Doom OST
Playing with Danger - Team Fortress 2 OST
Tears Of - Silent Hill OST
Theme of Love - Final Fantasy IV OST
Searching for Friends - Final Fantasy VI OST
This is True Love Makin' - Capcom vs SNK 2 OST
Sources:
Bit-tech interview-
www.bit-tech.net/reviews/gaming/playstation/dissidia-final-fantasy-interview/1/
Transcript of an interview with Nomura from the 358/2 Ultimania guide book-
www.siliconera.com/dissidia-final-fantasy-originated-from-kingdom-hearts/
VG247 Interview with director Takeo Kujiraoka and producer Ichiro Hazama-
www.vg247.com/dissidia-final-fantasy-nt-interview-developers-talk-esports-reviving-classic-characters-fan-service-and-expectations
012 sales data-
web.archive.org/web/20120623022559/www.siliconera.com/2012/01/16/these-were-the-30-best-selling-games-of-2011-in-japan/
Automaton interview with Square Enix producer Ichiro Hazama, Takeo Kujiraoka, and director Yosuke Hayashi of Koei Tecmo-
web.archive.org/web/20160119171127/automaton.am/articles/news-bits/dissidia-developer-interview-part-1/
Road Rage research-
ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/olj/ojpcr/ojpcr_3_3/ojpcr_3_3d.html
www.webmd.com/women/features/root-cause-of-road-rage
ua-cam.com/video/OC-cK2hS0-o/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/Tx-H9UvPhKA/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/SSE-XwpuY9k/v-deo.html
2018 Shack News interview with Robin Walker and John Cook-
www.shacknews.com/article/103827/threading-the-needle-the-making-of-quake-team-fortress
NT poor sales-
www.gamereactor.eu/dissidia-final-fantasy-nt-showing-weak-punch-saleswise/
012 gameplay by KuroJet-
ua-cam.com/video/lpfbM2C9NmQ/v-deo.htmlsi=dRND68kfi5dqE6lN
012 tournament footage uploaded by LXD92-
ua-cam.com/video/Hol3YRNqouU/v-deo.html
Arcade footage by Mad Panic Gaming-
ua-cam.com/video/blHeJEqgahM/v-deo.html
Magfest Arcade time lapse by kevin zloft-
ua-cam.com/video/zoZVhz51-3Q/v-deo.html
Duke Nukem 3D multiplayer footage by HighTreasonLP-
ua-cam.com/video/SAE1ieWRnKI/v-deo.html
Square Enix Earnings reports (Q3 2018 cited)-
www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/library/explanatory.html
Metadata stuff:
#cellar
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can ask what program's you use for your channel , I kind of want to try myself
I feel truly blessed since I was able not to only play Duodecim during its glory days, but even attend little fan tournaments with real people in the room. I had no idea how to play properly, (Btw, only now I really understand why Golbez was such a popular pick) but I had a lot of fun, and the people were super friendly. That's the accidental benefit of PSP being much more popular in my country than Nintendo DS.
I think Dead or Alive would've been better than what we got for NT
It got SLOW, They Removed Limit Breaks and Customization, and they force you to 3v3. No Amount of Roster is Fixing That.
Dissdia deserved alot better and didn't deserve the fate it got. Its a fanservice cross over game that they always should have kept alive, even on life support.
I heard that the 3v3 style of NT was what the devs wanted og Dissidia to be but it wasn’t possible with the hardware limits of the psp. The devs didn’t like the originals despite it working out for the better as the fans ended up loving them. Its so ironic that now that they made the game they actually wanted, the fans absolutely hate it for not being like it’s predecessor. This is one of the best examples of "if it ain't broke, don’t fix it"
I spent so many hours on Duodecim. It somewhat gave me the feeling of Pokemon Gold/Silver when you find out that go back to the Kanto region. For Duodecim, essentially a rehaul for the first game on top of already having a pretty lengthy main story. I was highly disappointed by NT. I never got to finish it because of the difficulty took away the fun of it.
NT is the only Dissidia I've played... well, tried to play anyway. The CPU AI is dumb. Mind numbingly stupid dumb. I tried ordinary matches and my two CPU teammates spent every fight just flying in circles in the middle of the map, never once attacking. Both are plucked off by the enemy team in a matter of seconds, leading to an instant loss. I tried the Core Battle crystal protection mode. If I went for the enemy's crystal myself, my CPU teammates would just do that circle flying thing. All three enemy NPCs would wail on my crystal and I'd lose. If I stayed to protect my team's crystal, my CPU teammates would actually attack... the other enemies, ignoring the enemy crystal. If I tried to keep the enemies busy, both of my CPU teammates would just idle at our crystal, doing absolutely nothing, soft locking the fight. I found that without human players to work with, the single-player mode was just purely unplayable.
It would be nice if we could get a traditional Final Fantasy fighting game.
Where does the image from 13:20 come from?
I looked it up and apparently it was going to be the cover for a book about Geese Howard's life that was never published. It ended up being included in an SNK art book.
Square Enix just have to port Duodecim with some upgrades to modern machines and get a fat W, but nope, NT guys, Nice Try~!
Nice video bro, I really appreciate every person who's willing to make a video about Dissidia. Opera Omnia was definitely one of, if not the, best mobile gacha game so I was looking forward to you talking about it more in the video but anyways, idk if you experienced it personally but it definitely deserves a whole segment within the video
I never played OO, and unfortunately it's inaccessible besides the cutscenes, so I didn't have much to say about it
I wish they would turn Opera Omnia into a real game, instead of mobile gotcha garbage.
I’ve never connected with a video more. NT was the beginning of the end of my support for Square Enix, the company is so lost now I just don’t even care about the new releases anymore. Only thing I came back for were the Pixel Remasters, which were great, but it’s hard to screw up a classic collection.
Say what you will about Omnia Opera, but that game is more of a sequel to Duodecim than NT. A turned based Dissidia-like gatcha game, but at least a fun FF game with a lot more heart than the capitalist void that is NT.
Sometines, you shouldn't overthink the task in front of you. Take Dissidia 012, continue building on it, put it on home consoles. That's it. Thats all everyone wanted.
Maaaan i really loved the EX burst from the original one
012 already had an assist system, turning it into a tag fighter wouldve been such a natural evolution it hurts my soul
I want to point out that in terms of the roster, they actually aren't meant to be choosing "villains"; the concept was actually for them to be the character that has the strongest rivalry with the associated protagonist (hence characters like Jecht or later Snow being here). Of course, both of these concepts go out the window for any additional characters from each game.
Okay, no I had to pause the video for a second because it bothered me so much. While a lot of the praise was justified, the blatant balancing issues in original dissidia games made it so that there are some specific characters that are E-sports viable, and a sleuth of gimmick-wielders that can get a win on a good day. In 012 especially the meta was established so quickly nobody really deviated from the norm. Story in those games also reduced already established characters to a trope or two, and tossed away any possible character growth they might have had, and replaced it with new character growth that none of them will remember. There is no universe where i can sing the original duodecim praises of balance and story. Everything else though? Fuck yeah it was cool as fuck! There were mechanics, on top of mechanics, on top of mechanics, on top of mechanics, on top of mechanics. And EX Revenge is still a single funniest thing in the entire gaming history ever. A fighting game where you can spend super gauge, to enter bullet time on an enemy's attack, fuck up everything, and still get a hit in. It was hilarious. And then they took all of the cool stuff from those original games, stage variety, character gimmicks, mechanics, everything, everything and all And threw it all out, because it had to fit the one-session style of an arcade game. And we dont even talk about the disastrous console and PC launch, where the steam version came with outright malfunctioning matchmaking, ensuring NT was dead on arrival. NT was an assassination. There was no hope where NT would be a good successor, hell there were doubts it would even be a good game. They ripped the already shallow characterisation of originals, and left just empty shells. There is just nothing there. They ripped rich and engaging game mechanics, character mechanics, stage mechanics and every single interesting mobility option for the sake of flashy 3v3, where you cannot even see what is happening half the time. I despise NT for everything it stands for. And i will gladly boot up my PSP to play more 012. For all its faults, the duology is one of a kind, and i refuse to include NT into it, it is an insult to what was before it. Mateus, Ultimecia, what have they done to you.... Golbez, what have they done to you....
This video had me full of nostalgia. Dissidia was my favorite fighting game at that time. When I got a ps5, I bought the NT at a heavy discount, played it for 4 hours, I think 2.5 hours where me just trying to reach someone to hit. I regret every single cent ai spent on it. I would love a remake of the duodecim game, I’d buy instantly
The gameplay and story for Opera Omnia were so amazing. It's not fair that it was a gacha, and it's not fair that it was never totally finished, or that what replaced it was the far inferior Ever Crisis. It's unlikely that a fullscale, complete remake will exist in any official capacity, but maybe a fan remake, with the gacha store replaced with ingame currency, and the story finally finished, but that's unlikely.
What saddens me is NT is the only one I’ve played lol. I never owned a PSP and always thought I would enjoy it based on the videos I saw. Even I immediately knew that 3v3 was a mistake and the online was just garbage. I hope we get a decent port of the originals eventually. Great and informative video!
I'll never forgive them for what they did to Titus. Gutted his whole kit 😭
The Golbez NT downgrade was so bad it was kinda hilarious. Even apart from distinctive gameplay, his PSP attacks had such a beautiful kind of "galactic magic" kinda aesthetic to them. His NT brave moveset could've been swapped out with Terra's or Shantotto's and it wouldn't be clear which attack belonged to who. Since NT Golbez lost his power up after getting hit by an 1,000+ damage HP attack (the default brave was 1,000), at the start of the battle the ENTIRE ENEMY TEAM would shift their lock on to him. He was constantly battling Exdeath for lowest usage, who did actually have some interesting under the hood. Also, the game released without movelists. How the hell does that happen in a fighting game? Movelists had to get patched in after a few months, as well as updated moveset descriptions on the character select screen because they were written in a flowery manner that lowered clarity. Also, some movelists had to get corrections in future patches. What a damn mess.
A small possible glimmer of hope is that Square have been remaking or remastering some of their psp era games. (Eg. Crisis core, tactics ogre). Maybe dissidia could be re'd someday
I always just thought that the reason Dissidia died was because the game was always a convoluted mess of annoying and confusing mechanics with an incredibly high entry barrier and that the series just sucks to play. That was certainly why I remember playing the PSP game for 8 hours and then never coming back.
WRONG!!!!!
Great video, btw I think Strangers of Paradise is supposed to be a continuation of Dissidia, maybe something will come from that in the future?
i loved Dissidia
Dissidia was my favorite fighting game ever made (onion knight was my favorite, tidus is my backup) I loved how in 012 it straight up imported my entire save file from the original
I'm so so glad to have been recommended this. Dissidia Duodecim was the first I played (technically the only, as I never actually played NT) though only from a single player perspective. But the design is just so interesting that I still feel the gap of it's existence. I could always try to pull out my PSP and play it again, though the PSP thumbstick is probably one of the most physically arduous to use. Regardless I am glad to see you put all the idiosyncrasies about NT into words that I've never been able to. The lack of a proper story mode basically killed any interest i could have gained, but I often forget it's further worsened by the unlocking system. Not to mention all the gameplay depth that gets lost due to the changes they made, both justifiably to fit the new structure they were attempting, but also just as a consequence of everything combining together like carbonated milk (i.e. Abysmally) I so deeply wish they could just remaster Duodecim, even as just a single player experience. A bit selfish of me as I completely avoid PVP in games 99% of the time as I'm atrocious at it, and you really emphasized just how worth preserving Dissidia's PVP systems are. They're just so interesting and add a spin to fighting games that is hard to see anywhere else (But god I could never adapt to the chain attack system and hated it xD) ALso I did play Dissidia Opera Omnia for a while, and while i did enjoy how they handled certain aspects of the story (It honestly wasn't half bad), as well as how they translated the bravery system into a turn-based format, It suffered from the eventual issues every mobile game does. Not as horribly as some i"ve seen (Screams at the power creep of Kingdom Hearts Union Cross) but it still had myriads of issues, like every alternate character costume costing 37$ USD no matter what level of quality they were, E.g. tidus's Dissidia outfit vs his FF10 Original Costume (which are barely distinguishable at a glance and could not possibly justify 37$). But I digress this was a fantastic video though, I enjoyed every moment of it!
for me the problem was the 3v3 format and no option for 1v1 fights in ranked. That i head to rely on others. Also the lack of good single player content was sad. The story was mostly cutscenes with kinda cool bosses but nothing else. PSP games give you way more content.
Jecht was an absolute unit in this game and easily the most punishing character. His bravery attacks alone are brutal.
I can't believe that we live in the universe where Power Stone 1 and 2 are getting new ports but not Dissidia...
What angers me is when a company kills a fan's favorite game just because they want to force their lazy vision upon us. TL: DR, the original Dissidia and 012 were masterpieces of the PSP library because back then it was rare to see this kind of crossover of a huge franchise like FF turned into a fighting game arena. The game had good mechanics, presentation, and music; on top of that, it respected the essence of an FF game. Dissidia NT took all of this and did the complete opposite, the game was much slower, had boring gameplay mechanics, and the 3 v 3 sometimes was too long to enjoy. Other than that, it had good graphics and an amazing roster of characters, but all that was waster thanks to Square, and they decided to punish US, who didn't even want this game to begin with. This game was AN ARCADE GAME they ported over to consoles and that was it. It's sad.
Great channel. Dissidia was my jam on the PSP. I was hoping the steam version would be similar but oh god...
KHBBS was remastered and ported several times FFType0 was remastered Crisis Core was straight up REMADE ALL THIS MID SLOP GETS EVERYTHING AND THE GOAT DUODECIM IS STILL STUCK ON THE PSP
I remember playing this game while I was on vacation and not being able to put it down!! Thank you for bringing back those wonderful memories and what a great video! 😄
I'll take every dogpile on NT I can get. That analysis really put my anger toward that game into perspective. (And probably made me hate Team Ninja even more)
Wow... one day ago video? A very good recommendation from YT... I used to play this game... I still have my recordings from PSP that I planned on uploading just to keep the records of my experiences.. never realized that a community keeps the game alive.. thanks for making me aware of this... Btw your sentiments are as same as mine though I didn't got a chance to play NT... but when I say some of the gameplay and the changes I told myself "Nah, I'll stick with Duodecim"
I’m no ff fan, I only ever played 4 and a couple of spinoffs. But dissidia interested me a lot as fighting game. Specifically arena fighter. There’s such a lack/lack of interest of competitively rich and deep arena fighters. I was fond of the use of verticality and viable attack ranges of characters as opposed to other shallow arena fighters and first seeing this series made me wanna watch and understand more of it bad. But since it was on psp, meaning obscure, and NT was dying/dead, finding more about it was kinda hard. sad is an understatement as someone thoroughly interested in this series and watching it fizzle out. I’m glad someone with competitive fighting game knowledge made a video on this so I have a better understanding on the goods and bads of duodecim and NT fighting game wise, along with the main topic of course. Thoroughly enjoyed this video❤
The way I hate NT... I want to have hope that one day we could see another proper Dissidia game because the first 2 were so fun but Square is not exactly known for higher ups having common sense so they likely just saw thay NT failed and don't actually care about why that is.
I've started playing g ffxiv and got hit by nostalgia and wanted to play dissidia again, don't have a psp anymore so I downloaded NT, you can imagine my disappointment.
The emulator experience is pretty good if you don't mind not using original hardware. Also some people don't find the PSP comfortable for fighting games, so you can use different controllers/keyboard
Hell yeah dude, I remember asking my parents to buy dissidia for me when I was a kid. Ironically it was my first FF game, and I bought 012 as well whenever it came out. I remember being so excited for NT, but when the PC port came out it was frankly horrible. So sad to see it being stagnant IP, honestly all it needs is a remaster of the PSP games.
Dissidia NT was such a disappointment, I was heartbroken
"this is still my biggest disappointment"... same
Square’s business decision are tragic. These games were great and it’s different enough from other fighters to stand out. One day I hope it will come back and be done justice.
I played hundreds of hours of Dissidia and 012, they were just so good, and being able to record your matches was pretty cool for the time. Kain's arrival in the trailer/opening for 012 is great, and he has the best moment in the game in his face off with Exdeath, "No, I offer yours."
At 7:15 when my brain registered scent of love I screamed lol Ty for the blessing and great video
This game does seem pretty sick. As someone that's mostly been into platform fighters than others kinds, the kind of movement and verticality in this sounds pretty appealing