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Tony Ramella
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Analog zettelkasten from start to finish | Note-Making Workshop
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Many have asked for a video demonstrating my process of going from source note to main note using the zettelkasten method.
In this video, I demonstrate the process in an analog system. I usually do my thinking on paper as it slows down my mind and allows me to produce higher quality notes. Once they are written, filed and indexed, I will input them into Obsidian (a slow and time consuming process, but very beneficial).
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00:00 - Introduction to the Note-Taking Process
00:39 - Initial Capture and Reference Setup
03:01 - Filing and Organizing Thoughts in Categories
07:35 - Reviewing Related Notes for Interconnection
11:46 - Establishing and Filing New Connections
17:31 - Creating and Updating the Key Term Index
32:28 - Finalizing, Titling, and Filing Notes
33:39 - Wrap-Up and Closing Remarks
Many have asked for a video demonstrating my process of going from source note to main note using the zettelkasten method.
In this video, I demonstrate the process in an analog system. I usually do my thinking on paper as it slows down my mind and allows me to produce higher quality notes. Once they are written, filed and indexed, I will input them into Obsidian (a slow and time consuming process, but very beneficial).
Let’s Connect:
Follow on X / x.com/tonyramella
Follow on Instagram / tonyramella
Follow on LinkedIn / www.linkedin.com/in/tonyramella
00:00 - Introduction to the Note-Taking Process
00:39 - Initial Capture and Reference Setup
03:01 - Filing and Organizing Thoughts in Categories
07:35 - Reviewing Related Notes for Interconnection
11:46 - Establishing and Filing New Connections
17:31 - Creating and Updating the Key Term Index
32:28 - Finalizing, Titling, and Filing Notes
33:39 - Wrap-Up and Closing Remarks
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Thank you Tony - I found you on a reference to this video on reddit; really helped to see what you did; I would be interested in livestream session sometime as you mentioned. One question: the very first thing you referred to was a note card that you were 'streaming' to as you read. Do you do that as a rule or that was just how your reading of this book was going? Thanks again and look forward to more.
P.S. thanks for the recommendation for Time Timer - I ordered that! Cool....
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Thanks a lot for clarifying about the permanent note and main note ! You Just reframe one of my issue😁
👏👏👏👏 una segunda parte donde haces el proceso de pasr esas tarjetas a Obsidian //gracias saludos desde Uruguay
Facts! Deploying critical thinking skills is an important prerequisite to acquiring and evaluating new knowledge. I think AI summarizer tools could be helpful in skimming long texts for a task on deadline, but I reject its pervasive use in other contexts.
"Constraints helps you express one idea as concisely as possible" Good video!
I felt that the subject fits so well and is in synergy with analog Zettelkasten! The key approaches, like keeping an eye on your Zettelkasten, almost removing the context, doing some recalls, and cycling through your material, are what make it so powerful! Thanks! P.S.: I'd love to see how you take notes from the web and UA-cam.
𝑨𝒔𝒕𝒐𝒏𝒊𝒔𝒉𝒊𝒏𝒈!
Unless this could be automated somehow, sequencing notes in the way you show in this video wouldn’t work for me. This indexing system adds executive load to the Zettelkasten system. My ADHD and autistic brain produces thousands of thoughts an hour. I started using Obsidian to remove the executive load of managing the large quantity of notes that such an amount of thoughts produce. If anyone knows a way to make note sequencing automatic, I’d love to hear it.
Thank you for all your hard work, I’ve just configured the Vault earlier today and will be giving it a go! 👏🏻
14:10 I downloaded your vault and followed the steps shown but the template you have in this video is not the same as what's available. The listed templates are under _meta and listed as main note or omnivore. I've used them both but they don't seem to work. Can you help me with implementing this step please? Thanks for sharing this video!
hello, i'm not receiving the download link, i've tried two different emails
@@miguelangelsantossantos7895 hey there, I just checked on my end and it looks like the email was sent. You may want to check your spam or junk folder and place it in your inbox if it ended up there. If it’s not there let me know and I’ll email it to you directly. Sorry for the trouble!
Hi @TonyRamella, I appreciate your thoughtful approach to Zettelkasten. Dropping in to point out that your description contains a dead link pointing to Flow Vault Pro (the URL slug has a typo; it's missing the 's' in 'zettelkasten.')
Thanks for the heads up! It’s fixed now. Sorry about that!
@@TonyRamella Glad to be of service. 😸 It might be the first time ever. If UA-cam gave out badges, I'd rank the "first-time helper" badge.🏅 Cheers.
I thought that the notes on the index card were fleeting notes, without so much data. You notes seem like a confluence of data, when it’s supposed to be a quick concept. Of course you can adapt the system to your needs.
6:30 perfect i think that was the bug why i read somewhere not to upgrade to zotero 7 so i think imma do that now.
"People say it's good to get away from the screen, but no one says it would be good to get away from pen and paper." - Andrew James (Coffee in drawings out)
I'm confused I thought you said an Obsidian Vault would be linked in the Description with all of the templates files and that directory file you had yet I see nothing of the sort
Thanks for the heads up. Check again
@@TonyRamella Still not seeing your Source Note Hub in the downloadable vault. Can't do anything you're showing in this video. What am I missing?
awesome video. do you have any tips for someone who doesn't have any slip notes written at all? the video presupposes a pre-existing slip box that I can "have an eye towards" while reading, but what if I don't have any notes to keep an eye to?
Thank you my friend. Definitely the most challenging part is first starting out because you don’t have that advantage of pre-meditated connections. You can start by listing a few interests that you can imagine yourself teaching to others and use that as an initial filter to work with as you build a foundation. Hope this helps!
@@TonyRamella what did your first notes look like? were they just excerpts/quotations/concept definitions from the literature you were reading or were they original (i.e like the main note you were writing in the video)
@@paperbob_1 they were not as much like the one I wrote here, less in my own words. Keep in mind this is a skill that you develop over time. Start by aiming for 20% written in your own words and try to work your way up to 80%. It’s ok if you just write excerpts but try to add some commentary if you can. The goal is to reformulate ideas into your own words.
This guy gets it.
Hi want to ask, why my citation key format is authorTitle? how can i change it
Great video! As someone who has used the analog Zettelkasten method for years and only recently has been transitioning to also using it digitally, I totally agree!
This was the most lucid approach that I've seen. I'm really thankful and less anxious!! I've a doubt now. I'm migrating my notion to Obisidian and I really don't figure how my saved articles and web resources (that I'm treating as "Sources") will be linked/tagged to the rest or my knowledge base (seems to me that they're "source notes") -or should I leave then to avoid "wikipediate my system"? If someone on comments has any idea or approach, feel free to answer too.
This is pure gold 👉 Creating Value by reducing complexity to simplicity 👍
Great book ADHD 2.0
This is like Scott Scheper but without the insults😅
I learned a lot from Scott's book but I get what you mean
Shitweasel alert 🚨
I didn't think that the process was slow. It's a lot faster and productive than me staring out the window.
Its a lot slower in the video because I am explaining what I'm doing but otherwise it doesn't take that long. The "slowness" is beneficial for producing higher quality thoughts. When you quickly write digital notes it often leads to the temptation of revising/editing and the notes don't feel as complete. Thanks for watching!
Just what I need , thankk youu , can you please share the live later ?
I do these livestreams in my private community (see description) but I plan to occasionally stream them here on UA-cam. Glad it helped!
A huuuuuuge part of all productivity trends is the massive amount of procrastination they allow you to pretend you’re not doing.
Thank you Tony. Your comments go straight to the point. I have checked the system about a year ago, but at that time it would be impossible to me apply it. Now that I am returning to it, I am glad I watched your explanation! My sincere gratitude!
very good video Tony!
i disagree for the most part. i get your point about not turning off our brains. however, im definitely not going to do research "organically" - i think ai has opportunities for saving time and let us spend more time being curious/synthesizing. your zettlekesten work is excellent and i support your work, but if you come out against AI/further automation i would probably unsubscribe from flowlabs since i would disagree with philosophy. i think if you only use perplexity you're not on the frontier of the tooling from a personal standpoint im interested 1) 1 foot in zettlekesten 2) 1 foot in ai future curious what emerges.
Yeah I agree with you that it is useful for research (which is how I use it) but all I'm saying is that we should be mindful about whats being lost in the tradeoff for efficiency. I am not anti AI at all, I use many automations for my business. But I am not particularly interested in being on the bleeding edge of digital thinking tools. The greatest thinkers of all time used pen and paper and in this case, I'll side with what has stood the test of time rather than the unknown future (as exciting as it may be). I have no problem with anyone who wants to try to automate knowledge development, but I stand by what I said that it will not make you a better thinker. Thanks for your support my friend!
@@TonyRamella Absolutely! I am very interested in zettlekesten as a “bottom up approach” I think some of the ai tools are very good for the “top down approach”
Hope your channel becomes more popular because the quality and effort behind each content is immeasurable!
Thank you very much my friend. We are just getting started. It’s a pleasure to have you along for the ride!
A new PKM guru.
Hardly. I am not very good at managing knowledge which is why I prefer to use a zettelkasten to develop ideas for creative outputs.
Wrong, poorly thought out, and inexperienced. Use the apps and ai, and interact with them before you talk, or do not talk
@@oakjon8571 I have used them extensively. How exactly am I wrong about defining clear boundaries with these tools to preserve critical thinking?
Thank you very much for showing the process step by step. I just finished reading "how to take smart notes" and I felt like I understood the value but the method was still a bit foggy. Your video has helped me greatly.
What Obsidian gurus get wrong about Zettelkasten is... pronunciation. It's German word, so "tsetlkastn". ;) But putting jokes aside, nice video.
Yes, I apologize to all my German friends. In America, if you pronounce a foreign word the correct way, you sound pretentious. If you pronounce it the wrong way, you sound like an idiot to its native speakers. Either way, you can't win :) Thanks for watching. Wait until you hear my pronunciation of "folgezettel" (I apologize in advance)
@@TonyRamella "you sound pretentious" wait, what? Really? You truly shocked me, it's new for me. For me, and probably many of Europeans, it is respect. Also, I check foreign word prononciation just because I am curious how it sounds (German is not my mother tongue).
Really glad you talked about this. I have ethical reasons not to use certain types of AI (especially because I'm an artist and hate what visual generative AI is doing to us) though I acknowledge that this kind of AI can prove beneficial to the general note taker, especially in the scope of disability accommodation. Still, it shouldn't take *over* the entire process of thinking, so it's nice to see someone address this and understand the value of nurturing the process of learning. From an ADHDer to another ADHDer who just started using Obsidian + your Flow Vault, thanks and kudos!
I think the limitation should be how much you can see without scrolling (let's say one or two "scrolls" if you have some images) or on hover card.
@@anndrew_gi yes I agree this is a feasible way to impose a limitation without obsessively checking word count. I like it!
I have recently switched to Emacs and Org Mode and it is like nirvana to me. I don’t use Org Roam yet but I plan to. I’m the future I want to use Org Mode for its agenda, tasks, time keeping, ability to “export” anything pandoc compatible (ditching office suite) and more. As a minimalist I love the one tool to do a job, this is one tool to do so much more. I suspect Emacs won’t add AI but if someone does create a package/mode, it’s opt in anyway! 🎉
I can see myself getting to this point eventually. Its really the only way to keep digital note-taking both pure and efficient without sacrificing your thinking
My system is 1. Physical notebooks and daily note taking. 2. All of those physical notes screen shotted and further annotation to Apple Notes 3. Reinforce key concepts with Calender reminders alerts on a weekly, monthly bases depending on the concept. Wash, Rinse, Repeat. Very useful when learning abstract Hapax Legomenons.
Thanks for the reminder Tony.
You are one of few you tuber that challenge conventional thinking keep doing it!!!😊 More you challenge convention ways(in moderate way) more refine your self becomes
very helpful!!!
Your understanding of "atomic notes" is different from mine. I understand it not as "atomic power", but "indivisible atom"-- a single core idea. Would you say that indivisible notes are a key component of a ZK system?
Really appreciate your video. Can i get the template (md template and CSS, etc)?
These kinds of videos are very helpful! However, I'm still not understanding what exactly an index is. I understand what its meant to accomplish, but you said not to pigeonhole notes into broad categories or topics (the example given was writing), but then you said that 'writing' can be a sort of placeholder link? Can you explain that concept a bit more? I may just need a visual of some kind because I'm having a hard time understanding how indexes come about organically. I'd also love to see something on sequencing notes. I've made several notes here and there but I have a really hard time placing them in any kind of sequence or branching tree
By placeholder link, I mean you would just make a link to a note for "Writing" but not actually make that note until you have a handful of links to it. Then that topic becomes an index that has a list of links to top level ideas that branch off into sequences. The index is an entrypoint into the zettelkasten, you don't need to index every note, just the top level ideas, then you browse the related notes from there. I did a video on this here ua-cam.com/video/_8dh0Ap7Jnc/v-deo.htmlsi=cMd9X_IlFoKYPfTx
Not me thinking he was talking about minecraft
This video spared me probably tens of hours wasted going down the rabbit hole of confusion which abounds on this topic. Knowing what *not* do is often more important than knowing what to do. Thanks, now I have a clear discerning criteria for discarding tutorials at an early stage.