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DVLA's New Rules Explained: Don't Let Your Classic Car Get a 'Q' Plate!
Understanding the DVLA Consultation Without the Panic | Classic Car Community Update
Hey there, car enthusiasts! 🚗✨
Today, we're diving into the DVLA’s latest consultation on registering historic, classic, rebuilt vehicles, and those cool electric conversions! There's been some buzz and a bit of confusion around this, so let's set the record straight. From significant modifications and MOT exemptions to the nitty-gritty of radically altered cars without IVA, we've got you covered. Join me in the garage as we explore what these changes mean for your beloved projects and how you can stay ahead of the curve.
📋 Topics Covered:
Overview of the DVLA consultation
Significant modifications and chassis replacements
Electric conversions and their registration
The 40-year MOT exemption rule
Radically altered cars and the importance of IVA
The Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs (FBHVC) involvement
How to participate in the consultation
The points system for vehicle registration
Practical tips for maintaining MOT-exempt vehicles
🔧 Featured Project:
Check out my Morris Marina Coupe project! Extending the doors and integrating a Triumph TR7 suspension while navigating the upcoming regulatory changes.
💡 Stay Informed and Involved:
Make sure your voice is heard! Head over to the DVLA’s consultation page, read the documents, and submit your feedback.
🔗 Useful Links:
DVLA Consultation Page: www.gov.uk/government/news/call-for-evidence-launched-on-how-to-future-proof-classic-cars-and-back-drivers
Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs: evidence.fbhvc.co.uk/
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Make sure to check out the full video for detailed insights and practical tips! Let’s keep our classic and modified cars running and registered correctly. 🚘🔧
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КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @ShadowFox439
    @ShadowFox439 30 хвилин тому

    keep it to yourself its none of their concern what you do with your personal property, unlikely they even know what one of those cars look like anyway, do you think every shop or person knows what all the oem structure and components look like on a 40 year old car?

  • @bexhill8777
    @bexhill8777 3 години тому

    this is an intended step towards more adverse regulation,require FEES

  • @KRAMPUS1933
    @KRAMPUS1933 5 годин тому

    Will the Queens old limos need testing before Charlie starts scooting about in them? After all they are all cut and shuts right?

  • @alberttatlock5104
    @alberttatlock5104 9 годин тому

    Don’t tell ‘Em Pike 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @andrewread154
    @andrewread154 14 годин тому

    There was actually nothing wrong with the torsion bars. If there was, Toyota would never have used them in the HiLux.

  • @ajwright5512
    @ajwright5512 15 годин тому

    My god. A UA-cam video on vehicle regs by someone who is intelligent, literate and a genuine enthusiast - rather than yet more baiting, hyperbolic tripe. Subbed.

  • @kevinwells768
    @kevinwells768 15 годин тому

    The big issue about the IVA thing is..... will your classic have to conform to modern IVA rules? That means no toggle switches unless in the prescribed area, no classic rigid wing mirrors that dont flip back etc etc.

    • @FutureProofPerformance
      @FutureProofPerformance 9 годин тому

      And that's the issue, most classic cars would have to be entirely rebuilt to pass an IVA.

    • @kevinwells768
      @kevinwells768 8 годин тому

      @@FutureProofPerformance ...or dressed up for the test ;)

  • @Wearenotreallyhere
    @Wearenotreallyhere 23 години тому

    Did you know that using a reproduction chassis identification plate also qualifies you for a Q plate?

  • @jimbojones1107
    @jimbojones1107 День тому

    Eat z bugs, own nothing and be happy

  • @JohnnyM6030
    @JohnnyM6030 День тому

    So what about fitting a slightly more modern engine into your classic car because you are unable to find a like for like engine !!! (The replacement engine is same make as the classic car) BTW...

  • @craigwalker4211
    @craigwalker4211 День тому

    Remember the most important point if politicians decide to screw the peasants they will even if the entire country is against it. Power corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely.

  • @rumpoh8039
    @rumpoh8039 День тому

    NEVER JOIN CAR CLUBS FREEMASONS LATCH ONTO YOU WITH ''INVESTMENT OPPORTUITIES''

  • @outandabout7636
    @outandabout7636 День тому

    Thanks for that, my intention would be to keep it pretty close to what park royal put out.

  • @WhiskeyGulf71
    @WhiskeyGulf71 День тому

    So this is going to affect people putting an old car body on a newer running chassis.

  • @martinhacche1329
    @martinhacche1329 День тому

    Tye questions I have are if subjected to a test, how much of the test would be applicable? Would it be for altered components only? Who can identify stresses and strains in respect of large fabrication changes that could affect integrity?

  • @jabberwockytdi8901
    @jabberwockytdi8901 День тому

    A plate really shouldn’t be a worry as it’s easy to buy an age related plate and transfer it on ?

  • @excossack
    @excossack День тому

    For the people who swap floor pans and reattach bodyshells or make a 4 door into a 2 door will be heading down the Q plate route?

  • @hotrodchris805
    @hotrodchris805 День тому

    Why the bullxhit title? There are no changes to be explained. How can you say what youre claiming? We're facing a 'call for evidence' which is being called a consultation. Therd are no rules announced, yet. Looks to me as if everything is potentially up for review. The bit of info mentioned are the rules as they stand currently which, reading the consultation questions,could easily mean they're looking to change things. The answers ard already done, theyll just shoehorn the consultation data to suit their agenda. But top marks for bringing more attention to the situation.

  • @alibro7512
    @alibro7512 День тому

    I converted an 04 Freelander to electric and was able to get it past the DVLA without needing a IVA test by scrupulously avoiding drilling cutting or welding any part of the chassis. Even then I had to take it back a 2nd time for more photos to be taken. The ridiculous situation at the moment is the experts on the ground (MOT testers) with their eyes on the car cannot make the decision as to whether the car will pass or fail. They can only take photos and send them back the Swansea for someone to decide the road worthiness of your car from the photos.

  • @derbyshireguru5680
    @derbyshireguru5680 День тому

    I can't stand this penchant for putting electric motors in classic cars; it should be banned altogether (especially with regard to classic bikes) ..... As for resto mods; using up to date modern components and engines, these SHOULD be registered on Q plates and also lose any classic car status re; tax and mot exemptions.... However in period modifications on classic should be allowed even if it is cross mark engine frame swaps, etc.. i.e triumph engine into BSA/ Norton Frame etc.. Diesel engine into petrol car, etc.

  • @johndutton9739
    @johndutton9739 День тому

    I know of a couple of mot stations refusing to do a basic safety check on my 45yr old classic. They say either a full “on the system” mot or nothing. They said it’s not worth their time and they are busy enough with regular mot work. So I am having to go to a non mot garage to have it checked thru or do a full mot every year.

  • @stusoldcars4248
    @stusoldcars4248 День тому

    What you explained is exactly what i thought when I read through. I have no idea why so many people are panicking over it all. 👍

  • @andysteadman8851
    @andysteadman8851 День тому

    The DVLA and Govt should put more effort into untaxed an uninsured cars but no they take action where action isn't due and dodge the obvious targets

  • @iainf
    @iainf День тому

    My post seems to be deleted but essentially you're applying reregistering legislation to an already registered vehicle when there is no need. Notifiable changes are on the v5. Colour , fuel etc. Not changing a chassis leg. That comes under roadworthy. Modifications for safety & environmental performance are also allowed in the mot exempt legislation. Type approval is post 2003 vehicles on. C & U regs are what you look at.

  • @cedhome7945
    @cedhome7945 День тому

    Won't be surprised if a bunch of inspectors visit a car or bike meet and start pulling people up....

    • @richardsealey3626
      @richardsealey3626 День тому

      They don't have enough staff for that................

    • @stephenboitoult8774
      @stephenboitoult8774 День тому

      @@richardsealey3626 I wouldn't be so sure about that! No they probably don't physically attend meets, but they do keep up with magazine and social media exposure. I know of at least 2 heavily customised "hot rods" who's only resemblance to the original car was the number plate and a general shape, that have lost their identities and historic status without any input to DVLA by their owners. They just got a letter out of the blue from DVLA saying your car is no longer road legal, prove it is, or get an IVA and a Q! So DVLA must have SOME sort of source!

  • @outandabout7636
    @outandabout7636 День тому

    What would your opinion be on whether I could recreate a Park Royal Triumph Vitesse from - transplanting the rear herald estate tub and roof onto a Vitesse ? This is how Park Royal done the special order conversions to start with. Would this be acceptable and a straight forward notification to dvla ? or would it cause problems and shed loads of paperwork ? Thanks - good luck with your build

    • @stephenboitoult8774
      @stephenboitoult8774 День тому

      I've done this exact conversion, in exactly the same way that Park Royal did (had a mate, now deceased that worked there at the time, had some fascinating stories) I took an original MKII Vitesse saloon and plonked the rear tub from a Herald estate on it. Told DVLA it was now an estate and they sent me a V5, no questions asked. Admittedly this was some years ago. But the real story is that the Herald/Vitesse is a separate chassis car. As far as DVLA is concerned, the car's identity follows the chassis, not the body, so you can, legally, do pretty much whatever you want to the body so long as the chassis stays standard. Which is how we get things like the "Vincent Hurricane" a Spitfire or GT6 chassis and running gear, with a complete and very different GRP shell mounted on it. Life is unbelievably easier to a modder with a separate chassis car, compared to a monocoque modder. I keep dwelling on the idea of doing all sorts of nasty things to an RM Riley for exactly this reason!

  • @hoggmotorsport
    @hoggmotorsport День тому

    So what's their opinion of rally and competition cars?? Or even custom built vehicles as in a rwd conversion on a Fiesta or Focus ?? 🤔 I get and agree where they're coming from on safety, as an ex mot tester I disagree with the mot exemption.. Is this just a way around removing the tax free status from 40yr and over vehicles?? 🤔

  • @dotpeat1372
    @dotpeat1372 2 дні тому

    Great upload! It is obvious, also to the DVLA, electrifying a classic is a significant change, sacrilege to its history, and devoid of any exemption. Basically useless to any historical significance, pleased to hear, scrapvalue! As a milkfloat fine, but to be kept away from any historical event.

  • @fortnitefred1351
    @fortnitefred1351 2 дні тому

    You either know history or you trust the government, you can't do both.

  • @Captain_Scarlet_SIG
    @Captain_Scarlet_SIG 2 дні тому

    The consultation has been parked until after the election.

  • @BarmaBoysAndFamily
    @BarmaBoysAndFamily 2 дні тому

    Total bollocks. Do as YOU wish, but stop insisting on interfering with everyone else. That makes way more sense

  • @BarmaBoysAndFamily
    @BarmaBoysAndFamily 2 дні тому

    We do not agree on most of your comments. First, they do not want our input. We all gave input for SVA. It was ignored. It then turned into IVA and excessively draconian and authoritative and it destroyed the previously entrepreneurial kit car industry. This will kill the classic car industry. Why? Simply because it is their mission, just as forcing electric cars on us is too. Clasic cars cannit fit in to an autodrive fully government controlled distopian future. So they are targetted for removal. Count on it. There is no reason we cannot be like the American system. Meaning leave us alone, let the industry decide. You, like so many before are talking yourself, and me out of oyr livelihoods, and it is at this level i take offence. Revolution is coming. The smart will be on the right side of it. Believe nothing the government tells you. These are the facts.

  • @stephenboitoult8774
    @stephenboitoult8774 2 дні тому

    How would I get rid of the torsion bars? I wouldn't have started with torsion bars! I do stupid things with Triumph Dolomites and Toledos which all have double wishbones, 4 link rears and coilovers all round, from the factory. They also have a bolt in gearbox tunnel section which is NOT part of the monocoque (very handy) All this means I can do loads of mods and stay within the 8 point rule. Remember the first rule of engineering, "Keep It Simple, Stupid!" AKA the "KISS" principal! Having said that, kudos to you for your vision of what you want and your undoubted skills in achieving it! Should be a weapon when it's done! TR7 axle FTW! better still, if you are intending to use a Rover V8, The TR8 came with a 3.08 final drive ratio, there's even an LSD available for it from somewhere. The cart springs HAVE to go! But you DO need to be a little careful with ride height and the TR7's 4 link setup which naturally has a rather high roll center.

  • @thefreedomguyuk
    @thefreedomguyuk 2 дні тому

    Significant chassis mods are rightly Q'ed. Q = Questionable 😅

  • @andyplage6590
    @andyplage6590 2 дні тому

    Problem with Q plates makes vehicles Value upto 70% less someone I know can't sell an amazing Jago for £2500 on a Q yet a less than perfect R reg Jago sold for £7800 sad that they won't allow it to be A Classic on a Q plate

  • @PuncakeLena
    @PuncakeLena 2 дні тому

    This sounds like quite an interesting project. I like that unlike a lot of other people on UA-cam building cars you're aiming for a look that would make people think it's stock, yet will stand out amongst BL car fans

  • @georgefinlayson1123
    @georgefinlayson1123 2 дні тому

    Changing it from ice to ev should be a major change & a Q plate , because it's a lot heavier , also you would have to change the suspension to cope with it .

    • @longfordlongstone8057
      @longfordlongstone8057 День тому

      Agreed- any EV conversion that doesn't re-engineer the suspension and braking systems seems like a recipe for disaster. New mass distribution, roll centers, radically different torque curve and output- it's a totally new vehicle and the stock running gear is almost certainly not going to have the tuning bandwidth.

  • @pm1104
    @pm1104 2 дні тому

    Did you get an electric shock …………..your hairs sticking up ! 😂

  • @trentsteels
    @trentsteels 2 дні тому

    A friend of mine has got a Escort Mk1 RS2000 that he’s restoring, he would like to fit bubble arches, but is worried that this might mean it gets registered on a Q plate, the bubble arches were a factory option at the time so would they be allowed I wonder.

    • @stephenboitoult8774
      @stephenboitoult8774 2 дні тому

      This is fine! You aren't modifying the monocoque, just a couple of skin panels without structural strength. Even if this were debatable, the "factory option" bit is the "get out of jail free" card in this case. If the factory did it, you can too!

    • @trentsteels
      @trentsteels 2 дні тому

      @@stephenboitoult8774 Thanks, that makes sense, kind of what I thought too.

  • @ralphmillais5237
    @ralphmillais5237 2 дні тому

    The elephant in the room here is the excruciating nature of dealing with the DVLA in any way at all. Very often these bureaucrats have liberal arts degrees and know nothing about motor vehicles. Rules, such as they are, are very often either not understood by said bureaucrats or applied with zero consistency. Over the years I have adopted a policy of avoiding any interaction with the DVLA if at all possible and it has stood me in good stead. Likewise classic MOT. I got so tired of MOT testers either not understanding classics or sometimes even damaging them, the MOT exemption was a blessed relief to me. A knowledgeable classic friendly MOT garage is essential, but getting ever harder to find as the old boys retire.

    • @joeedwards627
      @joeedwards627 2 дні тому

      Absolutely completely correct

    • @mcirelandosharma7411
      @mcirelandosharma7411 2 дні тому

      Yes it's simply about surrendering even more authority over your personal transport over to the govt.

    • @joeedwards9721
      @joeedwards9721 2 дні тому

      I've been in the motor trade for 40 years and deal with the DVLA on sometimes a weekly basis if not a monthly basis, they are the most incompetent, inept, most aggressive bunch of misinformed unhelpful halfwits you are ever unfortunately forced to deal with, as you know! It's unfortunate that the advice I give people is to tell them nothing and avoid them at all costs, I don't want people to do the wrong thing but dealing with the DVLA is like talking to a spoilt child

    • @ptonpc
      @ptonpc День тому

      For me, the loss of the local DVLA offices was a major blow. I know of people who have had major problems dealing with the DVLA. When I registered my classic, it was a case of going to the local office where knowledgable staff gave me advice, asked me a few questions, checked over the paperwork and said "No problem".

    • @mcirelandosharma7411
      @mcirelandosharma7411 21 годину тому

      @@ptonpc true. It is this way for everything that controls our lives. The separation between the people that make decisions, and the people that have to live with those decisions. The decision makers know that when there's something people are unhappy with, they can just scream into the sky because there's no one and nowhere to go to complain and change it.

  • @patmays7344
    @patmays7344 2 дні тому

    So? If you keep it standard, it’s Okay, and even if you put an engine of the same make/model, with larger CC cylinders. It’s still OKAY.?

    • @stephenboitoult8774
      @stephenboitoult8774 2 дні тому

      You can do quite a bit more than that and stay within the rules. You are working with the DVLA's own "8 point rule" mentioned by the poster. retain 8 points of a possible 14 and all is well. I have a '73 Triumph Toledo with a Vauxhall 2.0 litre engine and gearbox, hybrid prop and a Sprint axle. These mods cost me 5 points, so I still have a "9 point" car! Completely legal and Kosher by DVLA's own rules, it's been on the road, registered as what it really is, since 2011. It has kept it's original reg number and is elegible for Historic status and free VED. The only minor change from a standard car is that I DO still have to have it MOT'd every year as it falls under "significantly modified" classification by MOT rules, which are completely different to DVLA's. However I don't care in the least, as I regard the MOT exemption as a mistake at best. I get ALL my classics MOT'd annually, modified or stock! To answer exactly your point, yes, you can put in a larger engine from the same range of car without penalty. To use something close to my own car as an example, say you have a 1300cc Triumph Dolomite, you can fit the engine gearbox and axle from a 1998cc triumph Dolomite Sprint and still have a 14 point car! You'll never be legally able to CALL it a "Sprint" or sell it as one, since it's impossible to change the model on a V5, but it'll be one, except on paper!

    • @ambivalentonion2620
      @ambivalentonion2620 День тому

      ​@@stephenboitoult8774you can be very dodgy and vin swap it, i know someone who did this on a triumph dolomite, had a 1500 rwd I believe and a rusted out sprint, swapped it all over onto the standard chassis swapped the reg and vin from the barn find sprint and cut up the remains, no DVLA involved

    • @stephenboitoult8774
      @stephenboitoult8774 День тому

      @@ambivalentonion2620 Well, yes, you can, but this is "cloning" and extremely illegal in the UK. I'd never advise anyone to do it on an open forum like this! However, I will note that Dolomites and any other Triumph built before 1979, have no stamped in VIN numbers on the shell, so identity is a matter of opinion - and the opinion that counts most is that of the guy with the V5 in his hand! Real Dolomite "anoraks" like me and maybe half a dozen others can usually tell a cloned Sprint from the real thing, there are some subtle differences, But I doubt anyone at DVLA would be able to spot them!

    • @ambivalentonion2620
      @ambivalentonion2620 День тому

      @@stephenboitoult8774 yes I've seen it done to dolomites many times, seen later cars get registered as 1972 cars even though they weren't just because that's when the tax cutoff used to be. The thing that gets me is when people publicly list for sale just a v5 and vin plate for something like an rs2000 that just is obviously there to get cloned

  • @SB-vb8ch
    @SB-vb8ch 2 дні тому

    Body on frame statement isn't correct - you can't modify the frame without it being considered a significant change. For a body on frame vehicle the chassis IS the main component which must be kept in an unmodified condition, the body is a bit more vague, for a monocoque the body IS the chassis & therefore has the same rule applied - no modification is permitted.

    • @claytonspeedcars
      @claytonspeedcars 2 дні тому

      True, it's essential to clarify the distinction between repairs and modifications, especially concerning the frame or chassis. Thank you. For body-on-frame vehicles, repairing the frame using like-for-like components or methods, without altering its original structure or design, would generally not be considered a significant modification. However, any substantial alterations to the frame, such as cutting, welding, or structural changes that deviate from the original specifications, would likely be viewed as significant modifications by the DVLA.

  • @dazp6002
    @dazp6002 2 дні тому

    Great video but I fear a Labour government will view this differently, they don’t seem very car friendly 😐

    • @stevebaker9709
      @stevebaker9709 2 дні тому

      I'm sure the labour will do what they did the last time they were in office and stop the 40,year cut off .they stopped it when it was 25 years and made every one have to register for SORN every year .then the conservatives got back into office and changed it again but made the cut off 40 years old for tax and MOT and SORN a one off .labour hate people having old classic and histrionic cars and will tasks them off the road .hope you won't be voting labour in next time 👍👍👍👍

    • @cedhome7945
      @cedhome7945 День тому

      First rule of control is to disarming and remove personal transport.....

  • @chloehood6355
    @chloehood6355 2 дні тому

    Its just communists again, they must have time on their hands. One thing to consider if you want to save lives on (our) roads comrades is to use our money, tax money, not your money, to lever the government roadmenders into action and fill the holes, flatten the surfaces, improve drainage, put laybys in, repair laybys, etcetc. There is a lot if catching up to do to make roads safer and reduce casualties. R

    • @MrNatbatten
      @MrNatbatten 2 дні тому

      Communists? Give your head a wobble, lol.

    • @BarmaBoysAndFamily
      @BarmaBoysAndFamily 2 дні тому

      I agree, it is straight out of the marxist book of rules. Control, re-educate, monitor.

  • @K2edg
    @K2edg 2 дні тому

    How would it work if for example you have a 70's Lotus elan and you change the origanal pressed steel chassis for a tube space frame because of rust......... it would pick up on the standard mounting points but would be an improved item. Would this be a significant change? and what would be the result??

    • @claytonspeedcars
      @claytonspeedcars 2 дні тому

      I could do a whole video just on this subject! If you're thinking of swapping out the original pressed steel chassis of your 70's Lotus Elan for a tubular space frame due to rust, it's worth considering how the DVLA might view this. While the new frame could be an improvement, it might still be seen as a significant change. However, the good news is that Lotus is still in business, and there are active clubs out there that can offer support and advice. Connecting with these communities can be a real lifesaver, providing valuable insights from fellow enthusiasts who've been there, done that. Plus, being associated with a brand like Lotus might give your mods a bit more credibility. Just make sure to document everything carefully, get involved in the DVLA consultation, and maybe seek out some expert advice to stay on the right side of the rules.

    • @K2edg
      @K2edg 2 дні тому

      @@claytonspeedcars The problem with the Lotus clubs etc is they recomend you don't inform the dvla of any change....... which imho feels a bit dodgy. They tell a story about a Lotus exec making a deal with the DVLA to consider the metal structure as a 'subframe' so wouldn't require declaring or IVA test if replaced (but remembering he was representing Lotus so any part would be OE), the confusion comes when they think a modified part falls under the same rules.

    • @K2edg
      @K2edg 2 дні тому

      @@claytonspeedcars I would love to see a video about this subject..... The club has recomended fitting Space frames as a upgrade for years now and when asked about this very subject say it doesn't have a number stamped into the Chassis/Subframe and there for does not require an IVA test when replaced (which imho only covers like for like parts). The way i understand it is the DVLA will only entertain a modified chassis/subframe if the origanal design is not available and would require an IVA test. Yes, as a Lotus owner i find this subject fascinating, but beware it's a touchy subject in the Elan world.

    • @ralphmillais5237
      @ralphmillais5237 2 дні тому

      Lotus Elans do not have a chassis. It is a subframe. The vehicle ID is carried on the vin plate attached to the body. There is no need to inform the DVLA that you have "changed your chassis". That is the advice I was given by Graham Arnold in a Club Lotus seminar around 2002. For a long time Lotus stopped supplying chassis, sorry subframes, and Spyder cars supplied many many frames, which are still around. This point has as far as I am aware never been clarified. BTW I still regard the Spyder spaceframe as by far the best frame for an Elan!

    • @K2edg
      @K2edg 2 дні тому

      @@ralphmillais5237 That only works for OEM desiged structure (call it what you want), the second you fit a space frame to replace a pressed steel chassis/subframe you are in the realms of substantial change and all the fun things that go with it.

  • @andrewskinner5860
    @andrewskinner5860 2 дні тому

    Great video keep up the good work thanks

  • @blackhouseengineering5386
    @blackhouseengineering5386 2 дні тому

    Great presentation mate. You are absolutely right, get involved. Cheers.

  • @mazdaman1286
    @mazdaman1286 2 дні тому

    As an mot tester I have seen good and bad historic cars. I am of the age of having worked on early E type Jaguars and other cars of this age. Most are maintained to a very high standard , often coming for an "MOT" check which was not needed , but they wanted to make sure every thing was ok , especially the brakes and often to have a good look at the underside which I'm quite happy to do. Most owners are happy to have things pointed out which may give concern in the future or with use. Tyres are a major problem with cracking and flat spots, brake pads can glaze. The other extreme is someone who has botched things and is just concerned that it looks good on top,. We had one recently purchased as fully restored that was a death trap. The number of missing split pins , loose nuts ,bolts too short that only went into nuts a few threads...fuel pipes weeping, rubber fuel pipes of the incorrect type with no clips , linked brake pipes and brake imbalance that was unbelievable. The owner collected it on a trailer and took it back. Structural problems and the use of incorrect gauge steel is common , if in doubt ask I have seen chassis rails fabricated with body work steel , the reason ? It was easier. The DVLA can be a pain at times but they are trying to get things right. There used to be on UA-cam videos of a VW golf 1988ish bodyshell with corrosion being crashed at 30mph it collapsed inward...now think of a 1970 's saloon doing the same thing. As one idiot said to me, if I cover it with under seal you'll never know as you're not allowed to remove .it...

    • @gottliebdee263
      @gottliebdee263 2 дні тому

      No. the DVLA are NOT trying to get things right. Trying to get things right means mandating an inspection for everything that is on the road. Classic cars should have MOTs too. Why leave it to chance, mandate it and stop people that think they are competent mechanics from putting others at risk?

  • @Kaisan-vc8fw
    @Kaisan-vc8fw 2 дні тому

    I suggest people look at the German rules surrounding vehicles before 'mouth foaming' about this. EV is a fine example of possible dangers. If a car was produced in 1970 with an 85 bhp engine, with EV it is realitively easy to drop in an EV unit making 200 + bhp. NOTHING about that car is designed for 200 bhp and so there has to be laws to monitor that. Because people can be idiotic. This gentleman is talking total.sense; I suggest people cease hyperventilating and listen. People don't like change but mostly adore mass hysteria.

  • @austinmorris3970
    @austinmorris3970 2 дні тому

    Hi mate What about the 30yr rule , if you have owned the car for over that time with some modifications will that change , Also some of these car professional car build channels that build cars for people they go well beyond what you have discussed and they seem to retain the original registration will this change if so will put people out of business?

    • @K2edg
      @K2edg 2 дні тому

      The 30 year rule is a bit of a pain to deal with anyway....... You need hard evidence of when the modification was done such as receipts etc, just owning the car for 30 years doesn't work. If you approach the DVLA with a period modified car they will deal with you as if it was done last week unless you can prove when it was done and by who.