Man I love the format of yours film review. I like that it's not just showing play after play for an hour. The conversation format is so much better because it's informed by the film. And then you back up what you found by showing select plays. Kudos!
Thank you so much for this comment! I just wish we were reviewing great tape week after week. Would make this so much more enjoyable for both you and us.
A little nit picky on Jones timing. Offensive scheme, lack of time for plays to develop are major issues. Again I’m no Jones apologist but something has to change. I’d like to see Neal at LT not Josh
Thanks, Dan, for your remarks about DJ not taking responsibility for the way the offense is playing. I was thinking the exact same thing. If he was a man about it he would say something like "The offense wasn't playing well. That includes me. I don't blame coach for making a change. I'll continue to work hard and do whatever I can to help this team win." Instead, DJ thinks he's entitled to the starting job because he works hard and doesn't get into trouble off the field. I think he's probably losing a lot of the locker room support that he has had in the past. Thanks again for pointing out DJ's lack of class.
Thanks for all the great works guys! 8 (home) quarters without a good pass is an INSANE stat. Let's have some fun with Tommy Cutlets and hopefully get a top 5 pick
28:40 is how this pod should start. In the 1st scripted plays we had 0 runs. By half time we had 8 runs. 5 was Dj , and 3 were the backs. Those hits count. By half Dj was hit almost 20x. I’d get the ball to my 1st read as well 🤷🏿♂️. Dan would thrown to the ref
If you're going to act like every sack is on the OL and none were on the QB, not sure we'll ever come to an agreement on anything football related. This goes for every QB who will paly for the Giants from this point on and any who will play for them in the future. This goes for every QB who plays in the NFL. Every QB who plays in college. And so on.
How can Dabs be a QB whisperer and a Jones fan? How can Schoen be without blame for giving DJ tbe contract and this off-season not bringing in a capable backup? How can Mara be blameless if he did indeed force the Giants to give DJ a long term contract? Something doesnt add up.
Not sure so much Malik is telling DJ to throw to him as in DJ not knowing, but more like Malik saying “Slayton is more open that I am so take that throw instead of force it to me.” I know the throw was behind Slayton, but slayton should have still caught it since it hit in directly in the hands 🙌🏾 🤦🏾♂️
Dan and Nick really appreciate your efforts picking through the bag of shit to find the corn…that is the Giant’s offense. Has to be painful!!! I can Barely watch it never mind analyze it!!
Everyone in the comments making excuses for DJ saying the line is the reason we can't complete a pass. Look how the defense is playing us. They are not even SLIGHTLY afraid of a ball going 15 yards down the field. Their corners came down on EVERY play without a moments hesitation. The line is not the reason for that, that's how everyone's defense has been playing us, there's a reason the only 2 games we won this season were the games we won. DJ magically put a ball in a receivers hands down the field more than 20 yards. When that happens once in a blue moon the defense is thrown for a loop cause it's not normal. This, and pretty much every other L we've taken this season, is the Daniel Jones normal. Curls, checkdowns, slants and runs. That's it. The least explosive offense in the last 2 decades.
Exactly. The Giants are just in general way off when it comes to offensive lines, and I've been saying it for a long time. It's all about teamwork and communication on the line. Bad O line? Fine, they need to improve communication. But singling out individuals on the, line like Giants fans have a strong tendency of doing, is just wack. Just look at the guy you just fired for an example. Bobby Johnson is presently coaching an alleged top five offensive line with the Redskins. And it's really not. It's just top five offensive line/QB communication, and is really made possible by good coaching and high awareness at the QB position. Everyone, including Daniels, is playing to help everyone around them, not just themselves. Giants fans pick a lineman to scapegoat that week to absolve their QB. The dynamic is all wrong. It's the communication, dummies! And that includes the QB, which I suspect is the real problem with the Giants.
I was at the game, waaaay up in the 300’s, end zone. All I could afford which is crazy. I couldn’t really see much except all the eagles jerseys around me. I needed this to put context to what my squinting eyes were seeing
The roster clearly has holes. However, I don't understand how anyone can think a better QB would not do more with what the Giants have on offense. DJ has shown he is not capable of making guys or a bad situation better. DJ is everything you'd want in a QB, except the ability to play above the X's and O's. I strongly believe this same roster and team would be more viable with an above average QB. The QB is 1 of 11 guys. However, his play on the field can raise the level of everyone else. DJ has proven he is not capable of raising the level of play by his teammates. QB's don't grow on trees. Otherwise, each team would have one. It's CRITICAL, though, to move on quickly when you know you don't have one. I'm past ready for the DJ era to be over. And, I do wish the kid well. I believe he played the best he could. It just wasn't good enough. Go Big Blue!!
Shockingly the Vikes figured it out. Shockingly the Steelers figured it out with two QBs that weren't on their roster last season. The Giants offense looked a lot better with a more inferior supporting cast with Taylor at QB. DJ is garbage
Do you ever see Jones audible & change the play at the line? Does he have permission from coach to do that? No one talks about how the coach & receivers are sucking. Receivers have dropped 17+ passes!!!!!! Even star Leek drops passes. He says he's open all the time. Bad attitude! Maybe Kafka should call plays again.
Not really. it is hard for a QB with zero deep ball accuracy and no quick game to succeed with it. But hit some deep shots and the rush will disappear, because now the defense needs to respect the passing game. That's the problem here. No one in the NFL respects Jones' arm. The offensive line can't throw the ball to solve that problem. Only Jones can.
Hit the like button let's expand this platform. Great analysis guys. I'm burnt out on DJ hopefully this his last year barring some Phoenix resurrection of skills he never possessed. Yes I realized logical that makes no sense but it sounded good as I typed it. 😅
LOVE you guys - your passion and analysis is refreshing. Stick with it. Even though we've been sick about it! What is the opposite of complimentary football - ya know, what we play? Is it insulting football? Cause that is what the O feels like. I watch lots of other teams - they regularly and easily do plays and throws further than 10 yards. We feel like the only team in the league that can't do it. I have been a Giants fan since 1978. I lived through the 6 years between Simms and Collins. We had some awful QB play those years too. It was Dave Brown (did we learn nothing from our last QB from Duke?), Danny Kannell and Kent Graham - I still feel the pain. At this point - Why doesn't Joe Schoen try to trade for Joe FLACCO ASAP?!?! I would trade Jones, Hyatt, Eric Gray and maybe even low draft picks to get Flacco immediately! I bet he could do some good things - at least throw the ball over 10 yards and throw accurately. Maybe sign him for two years until the next Manning is available!
Are the tight ends so bad or does the scheme not utilize the tight end position? Look around the league at the tight ends and see how important the position is to success of an offense. Where are they?
It's not luck. It's coaching. A good coaching staff can turn the present Giants offensive line into a top ten unit, no problem at all. What the Giants do instead is to pick on and scapegoat their linemen to excuse poor QB play. So that is what you have instead of good coaching. Any lineman who goes to the Giants will be trash because of this, IMO. Any lineman who goes to the Chiefs, Ravens or Commanders will go to the pro bowl instead. Indeed, Ereck Flowers went to the pro bowl two years after being driven out of town by the Giants. The former Giants o line coach, Bobby Johnson, is now coaching a top five offensive line in Washington. These are not miracles or coincidences. They are indictments of the Giants.
@@johnshepard313 Maybe. I just think line play is such an integral, eclectic activity that you can't necessarily even see what makes a line good or bad. It's communication on the field, including with the QB, and coaching off it. I'm not even sure Daniel Jones understands what guards and tackles are for, and for long stretches I wasn't sure Eli Manning understood it either. They are tools for the QB, not scapegoats so we can earn more money being the starting QB. What I'd do if I was a Giants fan is look at the people who leave because of all this. When they systematically become good after leaving the Giants it means you're doing it wrong.
I don't see any reason to keep putting Jones out there - we know his ceiling and unfortunately it is the ceiling in the basement. Was too low. Why not put Lock in there - sure maybe it will be worse - but let's see - at least he has a live arm. I feel like he threw more deep throws in the 4 Q than Jones in first 3Q. I know DeVito doesn't have the arm - but he seems to have the best football sense and ability to read. He also has touch and is accurate. Lets see the ceiling on these two. We don't need to see any more of what Jones can/can't do. We know it, We know it. We know it.
Short term, sure. But that's the same short term that led you to winning three meaningless games with Danny Gabagoul last year, which led to you missing out on either Daniels or May, and one of them ended up in the NFCE as a result. Was that really worth it? Unless you think either one of the two is the answer for next season and onward, isn't it better to stick with Jones and pick a QB next year? That's the relevant comparison: Lock and deVito vs next year's draft class. Not Lock and DeVito vs Jones. I get wanting to win. But in some situations it just prolongs the pain. I know I was cheering very loudly for Danny DeVito last year as a Redskins fan. I still don't know why Giants fans were cheering for him.
Agreed. It's fucking insane and I hate this franchise so much for this. Even if Lock is overall worse or just as bad he doesn't have a crippling injury garauntee and also will open up the field because he actually has balls and an arm. It pisses me off being a Giants fan
Honestly listening to Giants fans when it comes to offensive lines is like listening in on space alien conversations. It's all about communication and teamwork. Get a proper coach who understands that and you could have a top ten offensive line easily with the same personnel you have now. Or maybe not. The one you fired just recently, Bobby Johnson, is presently coaching a top five offensive line down in DC with rookies and assorted castoffs. We don't scapegoat offensive linemen like you do down here, or at least most of us don't. It's a team within the team, and comunication is everything. Our line right now is top five, but it's also one of the loudest offensive lines in the NFL. All five are roaring instructions to each other. I've even sen Nick Allegretti push rookie Coleman into the right pass set to block Myles Garrett once. They help each other. And the QB is a part of that team within a team. Maybe that's what you're missing. Because Daniels and Mariota also help out their offensive line constantly, and make them right even when they're wrong. You just scapegoat them. I've been watching it in fascination since Eli was the QB. But we don't mind. It's like a second draft for us to grab your coaches and linemen after you're done scapegoating them to protect your QBs. Been doing that since you tarred and feathered Ereck Flowers.
@bigbluebanter Can you do a film review of the receivers stopping on their routes when DJ scrambles or breaks the pocket? Seemed like they were standing on some of those plays and the defenders were right next to them. Maybe those receivers should have moved like they do on a scramble drill? I’m not an apologist for DJ or anyone, but if players give up on plays, then we have no chance. Love your show. Thanks.
I always remember that the night before the 2019 draft someone called the Giants saying they were worried that they would draft Jones in the first round. John Schmeelk guaranteed the Giants would not take Jones at six. Unfortunately Schmeelk was wrong (and right). And we've been paying for it for years.
On the Locked on Giants podcast...Trey Wingo explained the problem with the putrid Giants offense, and its NOT entirely on Jones. He said the OL is GARBAGE...not even average, but complete CRAP and he puts it on Schoen. Neal and Ezeudu both are NOT tackles, never developed as what they are,,,GUARDS. The "old guy" free agents are not that good either and JMS looks more and more like another wasted draft pick. No depth...if any starter gets hurt, the whole things go to hell. Now Jones is the other part and he says that Jones can't win games and that Lock may be a better fit given the time to play more.
I know only 10% of us still hold out hope for the Giants, but 100% should believe in BBB! So show them your support and hit the thumbs up! Or else Daniel Jones will continue to be QB1 after Halloween!!!!🧟♂️
At this point - Why doesn't Joe Schoen try to trade for Joe FLACCO ASAP?!?! I would trade Jones, Hyatt, Eric Gray and maybe even low draft picks to get Flacco immediately! I bet he could do some good things - at least throw the ball over 10 yards and throw accurately. Maybe sign him for two years until the next Manning is available!
@@treasurersummerhill No.. like Indy is that much safer. Do you watch entire NYG games? DJ gets sacked more in 1 game than Flacco got sacked all year. At this point in his life @ his age it’s a guarantee he is not coming .
@@johnblaze5252 Ha! Yes I've watched every Giants game since 1978. It is true that with AT out the O line drops down considerably. It really doesn't matter because I can't see them trying to get him any way.
The first thing we brought up was how in tune defenses are to what Daboll/Jones is trying to accomplish on 3rd downs. That's not Jones "bashing" by any means. But it is what it is. Appreciate the listen/support of the show regardless.
Silver lining, if DJ gets hurts and the injury guarantee kicks in. It puts us in a better situation for Arch. Although how I’ll survive watching giants football until then is another question
@@didgruntleddansnyderfan Until he isn't what, a very god QB? He has been that for most of his career, so when are you expecting him to fall to Daniel Jones levels of bad?
@@Scrooge721 Of course not. Daniel Jones is not a starting NFL QB, I'm just saying that Josh Allen is the opposite of trustworthy. When he goes against good defenses, and even worse good defenses backing up a competent offense, Josh Allen will disappoint every time. There are layers here. Being better than Daniel Jones is nor a bar that interests me. Can you win a title? And so far my answer to that when it comes to Allen is that he can't. Good QB, but I'd want to keep looking if I was a Bills fan.
Jones doesn't have the "Feel" of a good QB. He doesn't Feel pressure. He doesn't feel a receiver open. He doesn't feel what to do when the play breaks down. I would be shocked if Jones plays in another playoff game.
I’m even starting to have doubts about this regime. I wanna give them already another year but it’s going to be tough if we keep losing! We need to get on a run soon or it’s going to be another clean house 😫
Daboll says they work on - red zone, explosive plays, 3rd down. Well it aint working. Why do the same thing and expect different results? Maybe they should focus on 1 and 2 down AND the RUN game instead??? (Maybe use NEAL as an extra blocking lineman for more power). The QB is limited - but our lineman are decent and RBs are good. So it seems like that has much more potential for us - esp with a good D playing. Isn't that part of how the Steelers are good each year?
this is starting to look like garrets offense quick game, keeping the qb and pocket stationary predictable 3rd downs, zero trust in the qb etc but its even worse because atleast garret still commited to the and jones still had a deepball back then
If you watched that O-line the first 6 weeks this season compared to last year & have anything negative to say. Then you're just a Hater. So basically, you're a Hater.
@@51disco Stop whining like a schoolgirl. It's not the O-lines fault no RB on the roster has enough speed to bounce it outside the tackles. They had a guy that could. Pretty sure you saw him on Sunday. 😂🤣😂🤣😂.
@@51disco And if you had any clue whatsoever. Which you obviously don't. The boxes are still clogged because no defense in the NFL respects that $h!+ QB's arm.
Those DeVito “wins” which had me and many others totally despondent in the moment have come home to roost in devastating fashion. We beat Wash and NE back to back due to turnover luck, they end up with picks two and three….and the elite QB prospects that came with them and the Giants sit here with a disaster who makes 40 million per. Washington, in year one of a rebuild, has ROCKETED by the Giants already and the Pats, despite a shitty roster and shittier coach, clearly have an elite young talent at the most important spot. Maye or Daniels with Daboll would’ve been amazing. To add insult to injury they knew it….hence the attempt to flip a boatload of draft picks they desperately needed themselves for Maye. Of course it would’ve been worth it which is why NE said no thanks. This was our out…it was there for the taking. Just keep losing. Take the elite QB and keep your future picks. We’d have forgotten about Jones already. It was right there….then it wasn’t. Now it’s gone. There are no outs left. Nobody in the ‘25 draft that matches Caleb or Jayden or Drake…even at pick one. Maybe ‘26 but you’ve gotta be really bad and lucky. So they’ll cut Jones, stop gap it next year, and we’ll remain in the wilderness. It’s the unfortunate reality of the league that if you don’t have the guy, you’re ultimately just fucking around. Giants nearly did, but they don’t, they won’t next year either….maybe they never will.
Defended DJ while the line was a shambles. It was again this week, but he's had 5 straight games of solid OLine play against bad defences, and done very little. I'm done. I'm sure he's a nice guy and a hard worker, but his lack of development and inconsistency are detrimental to the team. Whatever management wants, it's only a matter of time before they lose the locker room.
Tyrod did well on deep throws last year but on many occasions made terrible decisions and was poor on many short to intermediate routes. I’d take Tyrod over Lock any day and possibly over Jones
Shame on everyone associated with the Giants (starting John Mara, Danny's biggest fan) for keeping Jones as the number one QB year after year after year after year after year after year. I am just stupid fan but have watched virtually every Giants game for the past 67 years. I have seen them all, from the QB's in their top 100 (YA, Conerly, Eli and Simms) down to the bottom of the barrel (goofs like Pisarcik and Guglielmi, yes Ralph G himself). Jones never passed the eye test for me from day one. So what, who cares as I stated I'm just a stupid fan. However, every so-called experts' QB rankings have had Jones in the bottom quartile much more often than not. Next generation QB stats show Jones at the very bottom most of the time. Joe Schoen said on Hard Knocks, "We're going to roll with DJ this year". I got sick to my stomach hearing that, knowing it would be yet another lost season for my beloved Gmen. Irrelevant before Halloween again! For me, the most important question a GM has to answer in the off-season each year is, "Do I have a QB on the roster that I believe can SOME DAY win a Super Bowl"? Jones, Lock and Tommy...it's disgusting, sad and borderline criminal.
Eli didn't pass the eyeball test either. He often looked a lot worse than Jones and was much worse than Jones early on. Eli was so bad he was seen as a joke and his teammates laughed at him in the huddle early in his career. Mara was right for wanting to draft Big Ben and not give up all that draft capital. There have been a lot of times Jones has been top 10 in categories like EPA, completion%, QBR too.
We gotta stop talking about "if they had time" for deep throws, he's HAD time. He REGULARLY doesn't make those throws. Why are we acting like Josh Ezudu has been at LT all season?
The open receivers were open because the O-line was better. lol. it's funny, you stated he had no time to make 1st reads and then you blame him for making short passes.
Love the film breakdown guys, but the daniel jones no5 saying what you want him to take is completely off base, he's literally being honest it wasn't like he said I don't think i deserved to be benched he never said anything like that, he said he has to play better multiple times, he took accountability saying it starts with me, of course he's gonna say i wasn't happy about it who would be, which is exactly what you'd want, Daniel Jones, be pissed off they sat you (for good reason) let that motivate you.
You know what that's fair -- I would want my QB to be mad at being benched. I can come around to this point of view and agree with your side of it. I still found the interview (I watched it) to be a little off -- him referring to him as Daboll. I think there's a disconnect. But yeah, he's allowed to think of himself as deserving of not being benched. He should believe in himself. You're right.
And I feel it was just a few weeks ago you were saying I'm sick of the same we didn't execute bs like give me some personality, we'll he took accountability and then when asked how he felt he was honest lol, no one in the world's gonna be happy and he said he had to play better, like it's one thing being critical of his play but going after him as a person when he's under more scrutiny even if it's for good reason than almost any other player in sports is just ridiculous
@danschneier513 i think alot of people on the team have referred to him as just Daboll, but i could be wrong, I understand were all pissed, my tv remote was broken during the game lol, brings out the worst of us, appreciate the coverage anyways, film breakdowns are fun to watch even when we lose, but i appreciate you understanding my side of that take
I calculated benching Eli Manning for Daniel Jones was the worst decision ever made and I’d ever seen. I was right , got our coach fired, many coaches later 😂
Once a giant always a giant got dropped over sheon and Dabs And that is why we are going to be cursed, we dissed saquon a giant legend letting him Go and to THE Eagles ! Tyrod a great backup both guys would have made a difference no QB drafted a diamond in the rough to work. With in case we get here, again! Dissed the honor of once a giant always a giant
They've lower theirs and our expectations year over, so the NY Giants fan base is the modern-day equivalent of the Browns "bagheads." Now, it's time for Joe Schoen to save Brian Daboll's job.
Coach Daboll should be done. It’s just a matter of time. He has a lot of habitual tendencies which competing teams have picked up on. And then there’s the quarterback…
People don’t appreciate how truly remedial Jones is. Daboll has to marionette his QB and script every detail to have any chance….Jones is simply incapable of running a real offense. I’d rather see Lock with a bevy of deep shots built into the game plan…hit a couple, maybe draw a DPI and play outside in once the defense adjusts. Jones making scripted, easy read, short throws is getting us literally nowhere….we talk about drops because a single mistake ruins any chance of scoring when the QB is this limited. Tyrod is a better QB, DeVito was better, more capable players become available regularly for little money like Baker and Flacco. He’s not a starting QB and never has been yet this is year 6 in bizarro world. He’s not even a bust because nobody thought he’d ever be good outside of Gettleman…..he was a third round pick they took 6th. There’s really no comp for his career. Consistently, cartoonishly overrated every step of the way. Giants fans have no idea what good QB play looks like.
Nice job men. I’ve been thinking that when Daboll says that DJ gives the team the best chance to win, he’s not referring to this season. Perhaps what he’s actually saying is, playing DJ gives us the best chance of winning long term. By playing poorly and ensuring the highest possible draft pick which will be used to replace him. The DeVito experience last year may have spooked them. Played just well enough to ensure a worse draft pick, which one could argue was detrimental to long term winning. Just a thought.
they don't necessarily "like" DJ. they are "stuck" with him. and whoever decided to give the figures DJ got should be fired. my theory of why trhey gave him those figures is because someone in giants management convince someone with the money that DJ can throw AND RUN! they were wrong. league is now a QB that can run league and that person thought DJ was like Josh Allen. i know this why DJ got that money and they were wrong. I knew he was not that good of a runner from day one. remember him tripping against the eagles with no one around him?
I think Jones is big, tough, hardworking, good team player, a good runner but he is just not a NFL QB. He just isn't. The risk/reward of playing him does not make any sense. Giants are not a playoff team contender; Jones will be cut at the end of the season so why play him and risk a huge Cap hit to 2025. Cut your losses now and sit him. The reality is each loss in the last 10 games is far more valuable than a win as it relates to future draft capitol. Play Lock and Divito, couldn't get much worse offensively.
Every time the Giants lose to the Eagles which they do religiously. Giants fans always go overboard whining bitching and complaining and making excuses when they know damn well their team is trash
"Jones doesn't look deep"?? That's just wrong. Daboll is an angry micromanaging little tyrant control freak who can't design an offense, call plays, make adjustments, or coach in a way that leads men to follow or "run through a brick wall" for. I bet you could put Nabers out there alone as the only receiver and max protect to give DJ time and block for the run and they would win some of these games. Why the hell do you put 4 and 5 receivers out there when the QB only has time to get the snap and maybe go to his primary read. When have you ever seen him stand back there for 8 seconds like Prescott & Hurtz and many others have. The route concepts are horrible. The coach and his GM buddy are in over their heads and of course you all want to blame the QB again. He's never had any protection and the receivers minus Nabers are inconsistent or just horrible. We spent a 2 and a 3 on Robinson and Hyatt. We spent the 7th pick on Neal and a 3 on Ezeudu. We spent a 2 on a Center with a "high floor" and a very low ceiling who wanted to change how we snap the ball. We've spent two 4th rounders on TE's that the coach doesn't know how to use. This is a shit show and it's time to clean house and finally bring in some proven pro football people to run this once proud yet currently clueless & lost organization. If Mara is the problem we've never heard about it from any former employees. Either way, TIsch needs to take a greater role in the search for a new GM and coach and he needs to speak up when Mara does stupid shit like making COughlin fire Gilbride, firing Coughlin himself, and signing off on McAdoo's idea of "Letting Geno Smith have a series or two to see if we can ignite the offense" .... Mara would've given Barkley 20 million a year just to keep him away from the Eagles. Mara needs to let Tisch hire the new guys and just stay the fuck away from the football operations.
Terrible QB and this scheme they have to try and run because of him has a ripple effect. Dropped balls, players getting killed every time they go to catch the ball so that is in the back of their minds. 1st read only all the other players' lack of effort cause they know they are getting the ball. 3 yard passes and striving for 15-play drives with no explosive plays, increases the injury risk. At this point call up Josh Rosen maybe him in NY is what he needs lol
He's had good protection every week this season with the exception of this past week. Good protection doesn't change his game much. The guy has one good game this season. He's awful
Does any G fan think they would have won with Thomas? As an Eagles fan, I would encourage Wellingturd Jr. to extend Daboll and Danny Dumps at the max. P.S. Your field sucks, and hurts people physically every year.
There were plenty of prospects in this year's draft they should have drafted somebody in the third round or second they would have had the choice over several
We don't need a 2025 1st round QB bust we need to start devito or drew Lock,there was a reason Belicheck started Brady there was a reason the rams coach started Kurt Warner there is even a reason Kyle Shanahan started brock purdy.all im saying its better being safe than sorry.them coaches knew their back up QBs or any veteran qb can give them a better chance to win than any first round QB that was a available back in those days, that's why Devito is our franchise QB,Devito shown he can win us games 💯 drew Lock better than DJ 💯
Man I love the format of yours film review. I like that it's not just showing play after play for an hour. The conversation format is so much better because it's informed by the film. And then you back up what you found by showing select plays. Kudos!
Thank you so much for this comment! I just wish we were reviewing great tape week after week. Would make this so much more enjoyable for both you and us.
A little nit picky on Jones timing. Offensive scheme, lack of time for plays to develop are major issues. Again I’m no Jones apologist but something has to change. I’d like to see Neal at LT not Josh
Bingo
Thanks, Dan, for your remarks about DJ not taking responsibility for the way the offense is playing. I was thinking the exact same thing. If he was a man about it he would say something like "The offense wasn't playing well. That includes me. I don't blame coach for making a change. I'll continue to work hard and do whatever I can to help this team win." Instead, DJ thinks he's entitled to the starting job because he works hard and doesn't get into trouble off the field. I think he's probably losing a lot of the locker room support that he has had in the past. Thanks again for pointing out DJ's lack of class.
Great work guys
Thanks for all the great works guys! 8 (home) quarters without a good pass is an INSANE stat. Let's have some fun with Tommy Cutlets and hopefully get a top 5 pick
28:40 is how this pod should start. In the 1st scripted plays we had 0 runs. By half time we had 8 runs. 5 was Dj , and 3 were the backs. Those hits count. By half Dj was hit almost 20x. I’d get the ball to my 1st read as well 🤷🏿♂️. Dan would thrown to the ref
If you're going to act like every sack is on the OL and none were on the QB, not sure we'll ever come to an agreement on anything football related. This goes for every QB who will paly for the Giants from this point on and any who will play for them in the future. This goes for every QB who plays in the NFL. Every QB who plays in college. And so on.
Let's just skip Lock and go straight to Devitomania 2: Electric Boogaloo.
How can Dabs be a QB whisperer and a Jones fan? How can Schoen be without blame for giving DJ tbe contract and this off-season not bringing in a capable backup? How can Mara be blameless if he did indeed force the Giants to give DJ a long term contract? Something doesnt add up.
Not sure so much Malik is telling DJ to throw to him as in DJ not knowing, but more like Malik saying “Slayton is more open that I am so take that throw instead of force it to me.” I know the throw was behind Slayton, but slayton should have still caught it since it hit in directly in the hands 🙌🏾 🤦🏾♂️
Dan and Nick really appreciate your efforts picking through the bag of shit to find the corn…that is the Giant’s offense. Has to be painful!!! I can Barely watch it never mind analyze it!!
Everyone in the comments making excuses for DJ saying the line is the reason we can't complete a pass. Look how the defense is playing us. They are not even SLIGHTLY afraid of a ball going 15 yards down the field. Their corners came down on EVERY play without a moments hesitation. The line is not the reason for that, that's how everyone's defense has been playing us, there's a reason the only 2 games we won this season were the games we won. DJ magically put a ball in a receivers hands down the field more than 20 yards. When that happens once in a blue moon the defense is thrown for a loop cause it's not normal. This, and pretty much every other L we've taken this season, is the Daniel Jones normal. Curls, checkdowns, slants and runs. That's it. The least explosive offense in the last 2 decades.
Exactly. The Giants are just in general way off when it comes to offensive lines, and I've been saying it for a long time. It's all about teamwork and communication on the line. Bad O line? Fine, they need to improve communication. But singling out individuals on the, line like Giants fans have a strong tendency of doing, is just wack. Just look at the guy you just fired for an example. Bobby Johnson is presently coaching an alleged top five offensive line with the Redskins. And it's really not. It's just top five offensive line/QB communication, and is really made possible by good coaching and high awareness at the QB position. Everyone, including Daniels, is playing to help everyone around them, not just themselves.
Giants fans pick a lineman to scapegoat that week to absolve their QB. The dynamic is all wrong. It's the communication, dummies! And that includes the QB, which I suspect is the real problem with the Giants.
I was at the game, waaaay up in the 300’s, end zone. All I could afford which is crazy. I couldn’t really see much except all the eagles jerseys around me.
I needed this to put context to what my squinting eyes were seeing
Paid NFL prices to see a HS offense. My condolences.
3:20 to be fair Quinyon Mitchell is already dominating NFL star WR’s as a rookie. Him & Nabers will be a fun matchup for a decade
Totally agree on the touch and drop back. I've wondered about his slow drop for years. Thought my eyes were deceiving me.
If you can't run then you can't pass
Sometimes I come across car accidents on insta reels, and I just keep watching and watching…. Watching the giants offense is similar
The roster clearly has holes. However, I don't understand how anyone can think a better QB would not do more with what the Giants have on offense. DJ has shown he is not capable of making guys or a bad situation better. DJ is everything you'd want in a QB, except the ability to play above the X's and O's. I strongly believe this same roster and team would be more viable with an above average QB. The QB is 1 of 11 guys. However, his play on the field can raise the level of everyone else. DJ has proven he is not capable of raising the level of play by his teammates. QB's don't grow on trees. Otherwise, each team would have one. It's CRITICAL, though, to move on quickly when you know you don't have one. I'm past ready for the DJ era to be over. And, I do wish the kid well. I believe he played the best he could. It just wasn't good enough. Go Big Blue!!
Shockingly the Vikes figured it out. Shockingly the Steelers figured it out with two QBs that weren't on their roster last season. The Giants offense looked a lot better with a more inferior supporting cast with Taylor at QB. DJ is garbage
Good work guys
Do you ever see Jones audible & change the play at the line? Does he have permission from coach to do that? No one talks about how the coach & receivers are sucking. Receivers have dropped 17+ passes!!!!!! Even star Leek drops passes. He says he's open all the time. Bad attitude! Maybe Kafka should call plays again.
Obviously we’re moving on from DJ but it’s hard for a QB to succeed with what we just watched.
Not really. it is hard for a QB with zero deep ball accuracy and no quick game to succeed with it. But hit some deep shots and the rush will disappear, because now the defense needs to respect the passing game. That's the problem here. No one in the NFL respects Jones' arm. The offensive line can't throw the ball to solve that problem. Only Jones can.
11:00 we saw this also with the touchdown to AJ Brown in the game on Sunday.
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Great analysis guys.
I'm burnt out on DJ hopefully this his last year barring some Phoenix resurrection of skills he never possessed. Yes I realized logical that makes no sense but it sounded good as I typed it. 😅
LOVE you guys - your passion and analysis is refreshing. Stick with it. Even though we've been sick about it! What is the opposite of complimentary football - ya know, what we play? Is it insulting football? Cause that is what the O feels like. I watch lots of other teams - they regularly and easily do plays and throws further than 10 yards. We feel like the only team in the league that can't do it.
I have been a Giants fan since 1978. I lived through the 6 years between Simms and Collins. We had some awful QB play those years too. It was Dave Brown (did we learn nothing from our last QB from Duke?), Danny Kannell and Kent Graham - I still feel the pain.
At this point - Why doesn't Joe Schoen try to trade for Joe FLACCO ASAP?!?! I would trade Jones, Hyatt, Eric Gray and maybe even low draft picks to get Flacco immediately! I bet he could do some good things - at least throw the ball over 10 yards and throw accurately. Maybe sign him for two years until the next Manning is available!
Are the tight ends so bad or does the scheme not utilize the tight end position? Look around the league at the tight ends and see how important the position is to success of an offense. Where are they?
22:00 call it luck, but kc gets an all pro in creed Humphrey with pick 64. Giants barely have a starter in JMS
It's not luck. It's coaching. A good coaching staff can turn the present Giants offensive line into a top ten unit, no problem at all. What the Giants do instead is to pick on and scapegoat their linemen to excuse poor QB play. So that is what you have instead of good coaching. Any lineman who goes to the Giants will be trash because of this, IMO. Any lineman who goes to the Chiefs, Ravens or Commanders will go to the pro bowl instead.
Indeed, Ereck Flowers went to the pro bowl two years after being driven out of town by the Giants. The former Giants o line coach, Bobby Johnson, is now coaching a top five offensive line in Washington. These are not miracles or coincidences. They are indictments of the Giants.
@@didgruntleddansnyderfan agreed. I think the front office scouting plays a role too. It's all not good enough
@@johnshepard313 Maybe. I just think line play is such an integral, eclectic activity that you can't necessarily even see what makes a line good or bad. It's communication on the field, including with the QB, and coaching off it. I'm not even sure Daniel Jones understands what guards and tackles are for, and for long stretches I wasn't sure Eli Manning understood it either. They are tools for the QB, not scapegoats so we can earn more money being the starting QB.
What I'd do if I was a Giants fan is look at the people who leave because of all this. When they systematically become good after leaving the Giants it means you're doing it wrong.
thank you thank you
Thank you!
Giants make QB changes only with Maras blessing
I don't see any reason to keep putting Jones out there - we know his ceiling and unfortunately it is the ceiling in the basement. Was too low. Why not put Lock in there - sure maybe it will be worse - but let's see - at least he has a live arm. I feel like he threw more deep throws in the 4 Q than Jones in first 3Q. I know DeVito doesn't have the arm - but he seems to have the best football sense and ability to read. He also has touch and is accurate. Lets see the ceiling on these two. We don't need to see any more of what Jones can/can't do. We know it, We know it. We know it.
Agree. Either alternate QB
has a chance to get better, and that’s enough reason to end this recurring nightmare asap.
Unfortunately, barring a disastrous 7/20, he will be there "uNtIl mAtHeMaTiCaL ElImInAtIoN"
Short term, sure. But that's the same short term that led you to winning three meaningless games with Danny Gabagoul last year, which led to you missing out on either Daniels or May, and one of them ended up in the NFCE as a result. Was that really worth it? Unless you think either one of the two is the answer for next season and onward, isn't it better to stick with Jones and pick a QB next year? That's the relevant comparison: Lock and deVito vs next year's draft class. Not Lock and DeVito vs Jones.
I get wanting to win. But in some situations it just prolongs the pain. I know I was cheering very loudly for Danny DeVito last year as a Redskins fan. I still don't know why Giants fans were cheering for him.
Agreed. It's fucking insane and I hate this franchise so much for this. Even if Lock is overall worse or just as bad he doesn't have a crippling injury garauntee and also will open up the field because he actually has balls and an arm. It pisses me off being a Giants fan
With Andrew Thomas injury… Elumenor will not get the help he had been getting which will expose him a bit
Honestly listening to Giants fans when it comes to offensive lines is like listening in on space alien conversations. It's all about communication and teamwork. Get a proper coach who understands that and you could have a top ten offensive line easily with the same personnel you have now. Or maybe not. The one you fired just recently, Bobby Johnson, is presently coaching a top five offensive line down in DC with rookies and assorted castoffs. We don't scapegoat offensive linemen like you do down here, or at least most of us don't. It's a team within the team, and comunication is everything. Our line right now is top five, but it's also one of the loudest offensive lines in the NFL. All five are roaring instructions to each other. I've even sen Nick Allegretti push rookie Coleman into the right pass set to block Myles Garrett once. They help each other.
And the QB is a part of that team within a team. Maybe that's what you're missing. Because Daniels and Mariota also help out their offensive line constantly, and make them right even when they're wrong. You just scapegoat them. I've been watching it in fascination since Eli was the QB. But we don't mind. It's like a second draft for us to grab your coaches and linemen after you're done scapegoating them to protect your QBs. Been doing that since you tarred and feathered Ereck Flowers.
@bigbluebanter Can you do a film review of the receivers stopping on their routes when DJ scrambles or breaks the pocket? Seemed like they were standing on some of those plays and the defenders were right next to them. Maybe those receivers should have moved like they do on a scramble drill? I’m not an apologist for DJ or anyone, but if players give up on plays, then we have no chance. Love your show. Thanks.
DJ is a TE / emergency QB
Daboll is Ray Handly
I always remember that the night before the 2019 draft someone called the Giants saying they were worried that they would draft Jones in the first round. John Schmeelk guaranteed the Giants would not take Jones at six. Unfortunately Schmeelk was wrong (and right). And we've been paying for it for years.
On the Locked on Giants podcast...Trey Wingo explained the problem with the putrid Giants offense, and its NOT entirely on Jones. He said the OL is GARBAGE...not even average, but complete CRAP and he puts it on Schoen. Neal and Ezeudu both are NOT tackles, never developed as what they are,,,GUARDS. The "old guy" free agents are not that good either and JMS looks more and more like another wasted draft pick. No depth...if any starter gets hurt, the whole things go to hell. Now Jones is the other part and he says that Jones can't win games and that Lock may be a better fit given the time to play more.
The OL played poorly against the Vikes, and Eagles. Time to end the one constant for the past six years.
I know only 10% of us still hold out hope for the Giants, but 100% should believe in BBB! So show them your support and hit the thumbs up! Or else Daniel Jones will continue to be QB1 after Halloween!!!!🧟♂️
No, my heart can't take scares like that.
These will be so great once we are a good team 😂
I know lol
Hed be the hero
At this point - Why doesn't Joe Schoen try to trade for Joe FLACCO ASAP?!?! I would trade Jones, Hyatt, Eric Gray and maybe even low draft picks to get Flacco immediately! I bet he could do some good things - at least throw the ball over 10 yards and throw accurately. Maybe sign him for two years until the next Manning is available!
Cause he doesn’t want to be the guy to force Flacco into retirement? Flacco would probably instantly retire upon learning of the trade.
@@johnblaze5252 Like Indy is that much better? At least he would get the chance to throw to Malik. But who knows.
@@treasurersummerhill No.. like Indy is that much safer. Do you watch entire NYG games? DJ gets sacked more in 1 game than Flacco got sacked all year. At this point in his life @ his age it’s a guarantee he is not coming .
@@johnblaze5252 Ha! Yes I've watched every Giants game since 1978. It is true that with AT out the O line drops down considerably. It really doesn't matter because I can't see them trying to get him any way.
19 minutes of jones bashing. Didn’t mention the line until 19:11
The first thing we brought up was how in tune defenses are to what Daboll/Jones is trying to accomplish on 3rd downs. That's not Jones "bashing" by any means. But it is what it is. Appreciate the listen/support of the show regardless.
Silver lining, if DJ gets hurts and the injury guarantee kicks in. It puts us in a better situation for Arch. Although how I’ll survive watching giants football until then is another question
Giants fans really need to let the Arch bu!!$h!+ go. Y'all sound pathetic.
When do we get to the point where we can admit that Daboll did not make Josh Allen, but Josh made Daboll?
Just to point it out: Josh Allen has never won anything. Because he's very inconsistent. Always has been.
@@didgruntleddansnyderfan I personally don’t care if he has not won anything. He is a very good to excellent QB in a league where QB is paramount.
@@Scrooge721 Yes, until he isn't. We've already seen that this season, and it happens in January every season.
@@didgruntleddansnyderfan Until he isn't what, a very god QB? He has been that for most of his career, so when are you expecting him to fall to Daniel Jones levels of bad?
@@Scrooge721 Of course not. Daniel Jones is not a starting NFL QB, I'm just saying that Josh Allen is the opposite of trustworthy. When he goes against good defenses, and even worse good defenses backing up a competent offense, Josh Allen will disappoint every time.
There are layers here. Being better than Daniel Jones is nor a bar that interests me. Can you win a title? And so far my answer to that when it comes to Allen is that he can't.
Good QB, but I'd want to keep looking if I was a Bills fan.
Jones doesn't have the "Feel" of a good QB. He doesn't Feel pressure. He doesn't feel a receiver open. He doesn't feel what to do when the play breaks down. I would be shocked if Jones plays in another playoff game.
I’m even starting to have doubts about this regime. I wanna give them already another year but it’s going to be tough if we keep losing! We need to get on a run soon or it’s going to be another clean house 😫
Starting?
they're playing DJ this long to give the kid a chance like a sportmanship thing
Daboll says they work on - red zone, explosive plays, 3rd down. Well it aint working. Why do the same thing and expect different results? Maybe they should focus on 1 and 2 down AND the RUN game instead??? (Maybe use NEAL as an extra blocking lineman for more power). The QB is limited - but our lineman are decent and RBs are good. So it seems like that has much more potential for us - esp with a good D playing. Isn't that part of how the Steelers are good each year?
“If he has ass hair…”😂
Dan sounds much better when he talks while the tape is playing lol.
Ahh now I see what type of person I'm dealing with. Carry on. Be you. Do you.
Starting the show with an ad is criminal
Payton Manning at the end had lost his arm strength but his anticipation became his strong point. He adapted. Will Jones?
Hell No.
It took the Giants how long to realize Boogie does nothing besides cash his check.
Speaking about Maye, I hope all of the "you're not a real fan if you root for your team to lose" fans enjoy Daniel Jones and their great fan status.
this is starting to look like garrets offense quick game, keeping the qb and pocket stationary predictable 3rd downs, zero trust in the qb etc
but its even worse because atleast garret still commited to the and jones still had a deepball back then
Thought Bricillo was a miracle worker. Ezeudu and JMS not getting better. Carmen was getting credit for vets better pass blocking earlier.
If you watched that O-line the first 6 weeks this season compared to last year & have anything negative to say. Then you're just a Hater. So basically, you're a Hater.
@@TrollKing2781 Run game has stunk 5 out of 7 games. One of the lowest YPC. Your a know nothing
Only three teams in NFL with lower YPC. Super running game.
@@51disco Stop whining like a schoolgirl. It's not the O-lines fault no RB on the roster has enough speed to bounce it outside the tackles. They had a guy that could. Pretty sure you saw him on Sunday. 😂🤣😂🤣😂.
@@51disco And if you had any clue whatsoever. Which you obviously don't. The boxes are still clogged because no defense in the NFL respects that $h!+ QB's arm.
RUN THE DAMN BALLLLLL
Daboll is turning into Ray Handley.
Ouch! 😂 Wait till they find him in his van, at a park before you slap that label on him.
I wonder if the love for Jones is our overly sentimental owner who loves him as a person and also wants him to start because of the contract.
Those DeVito “wins” which had me and many others totally despondent in the moment have come home to roost in devastating fashion. We beat Wash and NE back to back due to turnover luck, they end up with picks two and three….and the elite QB prospects that came with them and the Giants sit here with a disaster who makes 40 million per. Washington, in year one of a rebuild, has ROCKETED by the Giants already and the Pats, despite a shitty roster and shittier coach, clearly have an elite young talent at the most important spot. Maye or Daniels with Daboll would’ve been amazing. To add insult to injury they knew it….hence the attempt to flip a boatload of draft picks they desperately needed themselves for Maye. Of course it would’ve been worth it which is why NE said no thanks. This was our out…it was there for the taking. Just keep losing. Take the elite QB and keep your future picks. We’d have forgotten about Jones already. It was right there….then it wasn’t. Now it’s gone. There are no outs left. Nobody in the ‘25 draft that matches Caleb or Jayden or Drake…even at pick one. Maybe ‘26 but you’ve gotta be really bad and lucky. So they’ll cut Jones, stop gap it next year, and we’ll remain in the wilderness. It’s the unfortunate reality of the league that if you don’t have the guy, you’re ultimately just fucking around. Giants nearly did, but they don’t, they won’t next year either….maybe they never will.
Defended DJ while the line was a shambles. It was again this week, but he's had 5 straight games of solid OLine play against bad defences, and done very little.
I'm done.
I'm sure he's a nice guy and a hard worker, but his lack of development and inconsistency are detrimental to the team.
Whatever management wants, it's only a matter of time before they lose the locker room.
Tyrod did well on deep throws last year but on many occasions made terrible decisions and was poor on many short to intermediate routes. I’d take Tyrod over Lock any day and possibly over Jones
Shame on everyone associated with the Giants (starting John Mara, Danny's biggest fan) for keeping Jones as the number one QB year after year after year after year after year after year. I am just stupid fan but have watched virtually every Giants game for the past 67 years. I have seen them all, from the QB's in their top 100 (YA, Conerly, Eli and Simms) down to the bottom of the barrel (goofs like Pisarcik and Guglielmi, yes Ralph G himself). Jones never passed the eye test for me from day one. So what, who cares as I stated I'm just a stupid fan. However, every so-called experts' QB rankings have had Jones in the bottom quartile much more often than not. Next generation QB stats show Jones at the very bottom most of the time. Joe Schoen said on Hard Knocks, "We're going to roll with DJ this year". I got sick to my stomach hearing that, knowing it would be yet another lost season for my beloved Gmen. Irrelevant before Halloween again! For me, the most important question a GM has to answer in the off-season each year is, "Do I have a QB on the roster that I believe can SOME DAY win a Super Bowl"? Jones, Lock and Tommy...it's disgusting, sad and borderline criminal.
Eli didn't pass the eyeball test either. He often looked a lot worse than Jones and was much worse than Jones early on. Eli was so bad he was seen as a joke and his teammates laughed at him in the huddle early in his career.
Mara was right for wanting to draft Big Ben and not give up all that draft capital.
There have been a lot of times Jones has been top 10 in categories like EPA, completion%, QBR too.
We gotta stop talking about "if they had time" for deep throws, he's HAD time. He REGULARLY doesn't make those throws. Why are we acting like Josh Ezudu has been at LT all season?
45:05 I know we all can’t stand DJ anymore but wdym “first read”. What else could he have done here, honestly?
The open receivers were open because the O-line was better. lol. it's funny, you stated he had no time to make 1st reads and then you blame him for making short passes.
37:50
Love the film breakdown guys, but the daniel jones no5 saying what you want him to take is completely off base, he's literally being honest it wasn't like he said I don't think i deserved to be benched he never said anything like that, he said he has to play better multiple times, he took accountability saying it starts with me, of course he's gonna say i wasn't happy about it who would be, which is exactly what you'd want, Daniel Jones, be pissed off they sat you (for good reason) let that motivate you.
You know what that's fair -- I would want my QB to be mad at being benched. I can come around to this point of view and agree with your side of it. I still found the interview (I watched it) to be a little off -- him referring to him as Daboll. I think there's a disconnect. But yeah, he's allowed to think of himself as deserving of not being benched. He should believe in himself. You're right.
And I feel it was just a few weeks ago you were saying I'm sick of the same we didn't execute bs like give me some personality, we'll he took accountability and then when asked how he felt he was honest lol, no one in the world's gonna be happy and he said he had to play better, like it's one thing being critical of his play but going after him as a person when he's under more scrutiny even if it's for good reason than almost any other player in sports is just ridiculous
@danschneier513 i think alot of people on the team have referred to him as just Daboll, but i could be wrong, I understand were all pissed, my tv remote was broken during the game lol, brings out the worst of us, appreciate the coverage anyways, film breakdowns are fun to watch even when we lose, but i appreciate you understanding my side of that take
Dan acts like jones calls his own plays
I calculated benching Eli Manning for Daniel Jones was the worst decision ever made and I’d ever seen. I was right , got our coach fired, many coaches later 😂
*drafting Daniel Jones was worse
Proper Giants QBs are blind to anything past the sticks. Anyone far sighted need not apply....
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If they replace Jones with Lock the giy os just going to be set up for failure if isn’t the savior for the Giants fans.
Once a giant always a giant got dropped over sheon and Dabs
And that is why we are going to be cursed, we dissed saquon a giant legend letting him Go and to THE Eagles ! Tyrod a great backup both guys would have made a difference no QB drafted a diamond in the rough to work. With in case we get here, again! Dissed the honor of once a giant always a giant
Legend? For a great rookie season? He was a good player on bad teams.
They've lower theirs and our expectations year over, so the NY Giants fan base is the modern-day equivalent of the Browns "bagheads." Now, it's time for Joe Schoen to save Brian Daboll's job.
Daboll: Daniel Jones gives us the best chance to win.
We have to be tanking man, this is just unacceptable football across the board.
Coach Daboll should be done. It’s just a matter of time. He has a lot of habitual tendencies which competing teams have picked up on. And then there’s the quarterback…
the reaching with some of these criticisms, especially on successful plays is a little crazy
What successful plays did we “reach” on? Wait a second what successful plays did the Giants run ?
People don’t appreciate how truly remedial Jones is. Daboll has to marionette his QB and script every detail to have any chance….Jones is simply incapable of running a real offense. I’d rather see Lock with a bevy of deep shots built into the game plan…hit a couple, maybe draw a DPI and play outside in once the defense adjusts. Jones making scripted, easy read, short throws is getting us literally nowhere….we talk about drops because a single mistake ruins any chance of scoring when the QB is this limited. Tyrod is a better QB, DeVito was better, more capable players become available regularly for little money like Baker and Flacco. He’s not a starting QB and never has been yet this is year 6 in bizarro world. He’s not even a bust because nobody thought he’d ever be good outside of Gettleman…..he was a third round pick they took 6th. There’s really no comp for his career. Consistently, cartoonishly overrated every step of the way. Giants fans have no idea what good QB play looks like.
Im so tired of seeing Daniel Jones as my favorite teams starting QB. Six loooooooongg years!!!
Nice job men. I’ve been thinking that when Daboll says that DJ gives the team the best chance to win, he’s not referring to this season. Perhaps what he’s actually saying is, playing DJ gives us the best chance of winning long term. By playing poorly and ensuring the highest possible draft pick which will be used to replace him. The DeVito experience last year may have spooked them. Played just well enough to ensure a worse draft pick, which one could argue was detrimental to long term winning. Just a thought.
I rather tank lets get a qb & let Lock bridge gap for a year or til next year bye
they don't necessarily "like" DJ. they are "stuck" with him. and whoever decided to give the figures DJ got should be fired. my theory of why trhey gave him those figures is because someone in giants management convince someone with the money that DJ can throw AND RUN! they were wrong. league is now a QB that can run league and that person thought DJ was like Josh Allen. i know this why DJ got that money and they were wrong. I knew he was not that good of a runner from day one. remember him tripping against the eagles with no one around him?
The whole OFFENSE SUCK!! Wasted 2023 first draft pick on a wide receiver who ain’t even getting the ball.
He didn't have time to set his feet and you want him going thru his progressions.You really are clueless.
This guy should have been a 6th round pick at best
What a stupid pick
My grandmother would have picked a better qb
This sucks man 😔
I think Jones is big, tough, hardworking, good team player, a good runner but he is just not a NFL QB. He just isn't. The risk/reward of playing him does not make any sense. Giants are not a playoff team contender; Jones will be cut at the end of the season so why play him and risk a huge Cap hit to 2025. Cut your losses now and sit him. The reality is each loss in the last 10 games is far more valuable than a win as it relates to future draft capitol. Play Lock and Divito, couldn't get much worse offensively.
Coaching and GM sound like the problem. They can go with DJ then that should make you guys happy. SMH
The Giants were awful before Jones got here and they will be awful after he is gone.
Signed, Bengals fans before Burrow, Texans fans before Stroud, every fan base but basically the Packers and Colts
Every time the Giants lose to the Eagles which they do religiously. Giants fans always go overboard whining bitching and complaining and making excuses when they know damn well their team is trash
Easy, they lost to the Eagles when they were good too! 😂
Daboll must move on from his coach-killing QB to Lock/Devito (I don't care which one)!
"Jones doesn't look deep"?? That's just wrong. Daboll is an angry micromanaging little tyrant control freak who can't design an offense, call plays, make adjustments, or coach in a way that leads men to follow or "run through a brick wall" for. I bet you could put Nabers out there alone as the only receiver and max protect to give DJ time and block for the run and they would win some of these games. Why the hell do you put 4 and 5 receivers out there when the QB only has time to get the snap and maybe go to his primary read. When have you ever seen him stand back there for 8 seconds like Prescott & Hurtz and many others have. The route concepts are horrible. The coach and his GM buddy are in over their heads and of course you all want to blame the QB again. He's never had any protection and the receivers minus Nabers are inconsistent or just horrible. We spent a 2 and a 3 on Robinson and Hyatt. We spent the 7th pick on Neal and a 3 on Ezeudu. We spent a 2 on a Center with a "high floor" and a very low ceiling who wanted to change how we snap the ball. We've spent two 4th rounders on TE's that the coach doesn't know how to use. This is a shit show and it's time to clean house and finally bring in some proven pro football people to run this once proud yet currently clueless & lost organization. If Mara is the problem we've never heard about it from any former employees. Either way, TIsch needs to take a greater role in the search for a new GM and coach and he needs to speak up when Mara does stupid shit like making COughlin fire Gilbride, firing Coughlin himself, and signing off on McAdoo's idea of "Letting Geno Smith have a series or two to see if we can ignite the offense" .... Mara would've given Barkley 20 million a year just to keep him away from the Eagles. Mara needs to let Tisch hire the new guys and just stay the fuck away from the football operations.
Terrible QB and this scheme they have to try and run because of him has a ripple effect. Dropped balls, players getting killed every time they go to catch the ball so that is in the back of their minds. 1st read only all the other players' lack of effort cause they know they are getting the ball. 3 yard passes and striving for 15-play drives with no explosive plays, increases the injury risk. At this point call up Josh Rosen maybe him in NY is what he needs lol
TH EY CAN'T TACKLE NOBODY BUTTER HANDS RIDICULOS WACHING
When was the last time Daniel Jones had good protection? If you're honest you'll say never
He's had good protection every week this season with the exception of this past week. Good protection doesn't change his game much. The guy has one good game this season. He's awful
You have not been watching the games this year.
@@duncanluciak5516 you are right I have not been watching don't want to see him get sacked
Lock did alright in prime time against the Eagles last year. Didn’t he win that game with two deep passes? Just sayin.
The Eagles were in free fall last year and had a lot of injuries. No weight should be placed on that 'win'.
Does any G fan think they would have won with Thomas? As an Eagles fan, I would encourage Wellingturd Jr. to extend Daboll and Danny Dumps at the max. P.S. Your field sucks, and hurts people physically every year.
Anyway we can get you on that field.
What kind of person does this? Oh, right because Philly fans are troglodytes.
There were plenty of prospects in this year's draft they should have drafted somebody in the third round or second they would have had the choice over several
We don't need a 2025 1st round QB bust we need to start devito or drew Lock,there was a reason Belicheck started Brady there was a reason the rams coach started Kurt Warner there is even a reason Kyle Shanahan started brock purdy.all im saying its better being safe than sorry.them coaches knew their back up QBs or any veteran qb can give them a better chance to win than any first round QB that was a available back in those days, that's why Devito is our franchise QB,Devito shown he can win us games 💯 drew Lock better than DJ 💯
We could have gotten Russell
Giants were good when they had a good offensive line… they haven’t had one in his entire time here… fact