How To Counter Steer a Motorcycle For Dummies
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- I cannot count the amount of times I have been asked to do this video, although there are tons of them already made I thought I would put a little spin on it and be a smart ass. Better than being a dumb ass, right? lol ;)
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I think the best way to understand counter steering is to experience it for yourself. I remember being in MSF and watching these types of youtube videos, this was the only thing that didn't quite sit right with me prior to riding. Once I did it it easily became second nature. You can study all you want but some things need to be experienced. Honestly it's nothing to get worked up about :P
Jonny Moto Thanks that's what I was thinking.
Jonny Moto --> Anyone who has ridden a 'bicycle' has implemented 'Counter Steering'... We as kids, on our bicycles 'Counter Steered'. WHY does everyone think, now, that we are on a bicycle with an 'Engine', it all of a sudden has to be Complicated????
I feel like I get it but haven’t experienced it. Then nights like tonight I’m like wait what lol
Thanks bud.
As kids you aren't taught counter steering on a bicycle, you just kind of learn it, nobody explains it to you. I think the reason people find it complicating is because of the way it is explained which sounds a little complicated, but its not after you get on the bike and try out what you did on a bicycle does it become clear. At least that was my experience.
Lmfao everyone with their technical terms. I always just thought this was regular steering.
Because it is. Counter steering is literally steering left while going right to balance out the motorcycle.
Same lol im lost watching the video because im thinking thats how its always been lol
Me too. I heard the term counter steering when researching motorcycle related stuff and it freaked me out and I thought I had to learn some weird technique. Turns out this is literally how I already steer everything
Yeah. he had me all confused. thats just fricken steering..
Yea they make it so complicated for no reason
You might even be doing it without even thinking about it, especially when you have experience riding a bicycle. What’s best is that this method does not require body inclination since the bike is making the turn all by itself, essentially making it way easier than cornering with your body.
So all this time i thought i was steering by leaning but its was actually counter steering?
I don’t know why people say the bicycle analogy. It’s not like it at all. On a bike you just turn the handle bars the direction you want to go.
@@zoomorphic3317 Yeah. If I go into a right hand corner on a bicycle, If I push at all on the bar, I'm pushing the left side of bar rightward to go right. It was confusing me, because you do the opposite on a motorbike.
@@louis-ferdinandceline8889 it's exactly the same as a push-bike, you likely just don't think about it. You counter-steer to cause the bike to lean in the direction you want to go, and then turn the wheel back to the direction of the turn. To turn without counter-steering requires you yourself to physically lean into the turn, otherwise your bike will lean the opposite way and eventually tip over completely if you don't correct by steering back.
@@zoomorphic3317 That's not correct. if you are traveling at speed on a bicycle, you are counter steering. It is EXACTLY the same concept, the only difference is lack of motor.
So if i push left to go left..do i still eat pancakes on friday or waffles. I am confused.
Twisted Moto protein pancakes erryyyyydauy! Waffles are over rated 😜
Vegan Viking u aint talking about them blue waffles i hope
Waffles with whiskey and steak
I think what I understand is that when you push or turn your handle bars right, It only INITIATES the bike to lean left. BUT, the wheel SEQUENTIALLY follows the direction you lean into and want to go(left)
By far the simplest explanation I've found. Thank you
Push left, lean left, go left. Push right, lean right, go right. That's how I learned it. That's how I lived it. .... But really, the "push" after the instigation of the turn, is a "resisting" action. The wheel itself, after the very initial push, is actually angled toward the direction of the turn. You can see it in the video. Once a left turn is initiated, the wheels and handlebars want to turn into the turn, and the "push" is a resistance against that. You can view the video and observe the vector of wheel and see that after the turn is initiated, the angle is toward the turn. I hope that demystifies this phenomenon for everyone who just had their mind blown watching this video. Also... maybe there should be a caveat that this is in a non-skid condition only. A really good follow up video would be to demonstrate counterstaining at high speed on a dirt track, and then compare and contrast.
It is a bit hard to explain, but it is surprisingly an easy concept to execute properly. I learned counter steering in my basic riders course. Thanks for sharing your take on counter steering.
This doesn't make sense at all until i realised I've been doing it on my bicycle all this time
Its basically instinct
Same here, 45 years and probably tens of thousands of miles and never considered how I steered on my bicycle, it was just natural, weird. Just that combination of push and lean changing the centre of gravity.
This means ive been counter steering eversince, i dont even know. Thanks for your brief explaination!
WHEN YOU SAY YOUR PUSHING WHY DOES THAT SIDE COME TOWARDS YOU????
railgunstorm honestly thats what confuses me
railgunstorm Because of the lean angle
I watched a video earlier that makes you understand easily. The guy was on the highway going 70ish and with one hand knuckle only against the handle he would push on it and it clearly went the opposite direction. He did it multiple times and made it very understanding. It just looks deceiving on some of these videos
Michael Stokes link ?
Tha Jian Hong no, the handle does not come back, you keep pushing left to go left. Ride a bike fast and try it.
I'm going to get my first bike within the next 6 months to a year. This was a great simple video. Thank you!
Did you get the bike how's it going
@@dru9201 Thanks for checking in but unfortunately not yet.😭 I just got back to work from being laid off so trying to get situated again and caught up on everything then time to save money for a bike!😊
@@nicolewalker8973 How's it going?
Your video made more sense then people with millions of subs. The thing that helps people understand is something you actually said. "It's exactly like a bike" I used to ride bikes hard core going upward of 50-70 mph on downhill slopes, or average of 40 on straight aways. So I know how to ride a bicycle, And you telling me it's exactly like that where you're cruising at 40+ and you simply press down, even possibly with a single finger, and your bike will go that way. It helps a lot by putting what i used to do into perspective and preparing me on exactly how to turn at those average speeds above 15 ish. thank you.
awesome! glad you liked the video, thanks for watching! :)
Counter steering is probably something you've already been subconsciously doing if you've ever ridden something with 2 wheels. It's literally just momentarily steering the opposite direction so that centrifugal force leans your body in the correct direction and then quickly correcting the steering and leaning into the turn
Wrong! Dangerously wrong!!
I take it you don’t ride? If you do.....reconsider!
@@softailfun no it's not dude I've been doing it on my scooter and bike for years and I know the science behind it
@@crashwebb4715
Couldn’t give a shit about the science. I don’t need to understand how a phone works to use it, I just need to know what to do. If the rider pushes forward on the left bar, the bike will fall left. If he needs a little more lean to make the bend he pushes forward a little more. If he needs a little less lean, he’s eases the pressure off the left bar a little. He never ever corrects the steering by pointing into the bend, it will stand the bike up! Guess why...... countersteering!!!!!! Think about it. The front wheel does indeed point into the bend after countersteering, but that is the bike sorting that out due to steering geometry and the castor effect of the front wheel. Hope this helps!!!
@@softailfun confidently incorrect
This is only half the story. True, you do push forward on the left grip to start the bike to turn left, but this causes the motorcycle to lean and turn by the front wheel actually turning left, hence the handlebars will eventually turn slightly left too at that point. After that steady pressing on the left is needed to keep the wheel from turning even more to the left combined with just the correct amount of the throttle. .
This is correct. The video is half the story. It’s pushing down on the bar the way you want to go but slightly turning the other way. Similar to how drift cars drift.
@@muhammed-khalidjordaan292
Pressing down achieves nothing! It’s always pushing forward.
Easier way to explain it: Turn away from the lean. This “push the left, it goes left” can still mess people up believe it or not.
I’m not a rider, but every bit of this is common sense...
After seeing it explained I was like oh.. I already do that I just didn’t know the term and I guess I didn’t notice I was doing it.. it’s kinda a natural thing
Thanks for watching dummies! 😉😂😘
SALTxTHExWOUND Now onto backing the bike into corners at a min speed of 90mph. Thanks Salt, carry on sir!
Stupid dummies are so dumb 🙃
SALTxTHExWOUND 🖕😂🖕 thanks for the video dummy
I have to pull the otherside while pushing to counter steer to learn quicker. Maybe because w/ the '05 R6 it's designed to be this way.
I want one of your salt decals
Easy explanation of countersteering if you need to go to the left Pusher left handlebar to the right that will force the weight of the bike to the left which will cause the bike to go left.
SALT, it's just one of those things that's so simple, it's easier to do than to describe! You feel me? ☮️
Watched a really good video on this a while back actually showing what the wheel does. The countersteer (wheel towards opposite direction of turn) just initiates the lean but once the turn is started the wheel will be facing into the turn
No it won’t, it always faces away from the turn. If your front wheel turned left in a left turn going quickly, you’d fly to the right and die.
J Y Entertainment
Wrong!
Squid WithGear
Yes, absolutely right. However, it should be pointed out that pressure on the bar that was initially pushed still should have pressure applied throughout the bend.
J Y Entertainment
You need to stop giving advise on this topic fella. You’ve got this all wrong. Just stop!
You explained it beautifully man. I’ve been watching so many videos and none of them explain about at speed it takes effect. Witch is huge but you did marvellous. I’m a new rider I just finished my safety course and have my M2 but we never practiced counter steering on 90 degree turns and it’s all little intimidating. But great job man!!!!
I appreciate that!
lol! in reference to the which side of the bars you're pushing( at a speed where countersteering predominates):
push the left handlebar, your bike will steer towards the left
push the right handlebar, your bike will steer towards the right
And this one phenomenon, coupled with soooo many others, is why riding is the one of most exhilarating things you'll ever do!!!! Ride Safe everyone!!!!
jdwm exactly man! 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
jdwm that is just a reference you could also reference it like so,You pull the left bar and you go left ya pull the right side you go right and also you pull too sharp to fast and I'll buy you a bodybag
Glowing exhaustpipe
All wrong. You never pull. You will end up in a body bag when a fraction of a second matters or you need finesse skills to maneuver a 1000 lb bike. This is never wrong and never lets you down. As your first subconscious move it always buys you time and allows you to make secondary mistakes you can easily cover by always making this your first go to move.
If you push steer and slide a cheek just a little, you will never run wide and 90% of the time need to consciously go wider because the bike turns so well.
That includes those 1000 lb baggers and they will ride like a sport bike.
This is true! Close your eyes (when seated at home!) and run your brain databases. Think about a huge curve to the right in a mountain road at 60 km/h. Instinctively you bend your bike to to the right with a smooth movement of your body and it follows your order. What are your arms doing at that moment? Your right arm should be straight, slightly pushing the right side of the steering bar; the left one should be slightly bend. This is biker instinct working. Without thinking to much. All sports are like this. We do not think. We act.
FaZeRaper
This is a joke ... Right?. Please tell me it's a joke!
A lot of people do it without even realizing it. Once you realize what you are doing and how it works it makes it that much more fun to ride a motorcycle. Corner sharper at mid corner? That's where your mind plays tricks on you. Your mind might say get off the throttle but you need to lean more, push harder and stay in the throttle to ride it out. Chop the throttle and you upset the suspension possibly causing you to crash. Gotta retrain ya brain and survival instincts. ✌️
If you want to practice practice on a bicycle. Go really fast and turn left or turn right. People have been counter steering since they were kids and don't realize it
When he called me me a mother tucker I instantly subbed bc damn that was funny😂💀
lmaooo thanks for subbing!
yo SAME😂😂😂
That might have been the greatest demonstration ever lmao
Thanks so much for the video man. I'm back on a bike after being gone for about 17 years. Corners are freaking me out. Your video was nice and super simple.
R B
Try this guy, not me...... He makes counter steering even easier to understand. ua-cam.com/video/lzk8oyNO708/v-deo.html
🤣Perfect video eMagin a chopper with a rake at an incredible angel oh my lord very wide turns rode hundreds maybe! my friend that's here now watching with me is a bike builder of Harleys but loves all bikes and will build what you want and is very impressed with you Sir he is a Vet and He knows and I constantly enjoy his bike riding stories.
Great series of vlogs
Loooool thanks for posting this. I just took the course yesterday (got a perfect score) but I really want to learn more about counter steering for emergency!
I_am_T0ny
There is no more.
Push steer is always right and never wrong.
You push steer 100% of the time.
In an emergency you might push a little harder but if you always push steer your bike you won't have an emergency.
Counter steer is an engineering term that applies to cars and trikes and you would never push on your steering wheel to turn your car.
F counter steer. It's confusing from the word counter and push steering is not counter in any way to a bike.
Push steer is the only way to ride a bike but you need to make it the rule and not an exception because it needs to be done without thinking.
One Slave oh thanks, the way the instructor said it made it sound like it's only for emergency. Appreciate it!!
I’m a dummy new to bikes , first bike R6 and it takes time and practise to learn how to corner , I’m still learning but enjoying it 👍
Thanks for the video my guy. This is probably the best video I have seen that goes over counter steering specifically. I have drove a bike before and done this myself (Counter Steer). But was never really taught that that's exactly what the term meant for pushing and such. To me it was common sense but you explained it pretty good!
U explained that so much better than other riders out there
Been riding over 20 years and never even thought about this, maybe I do it maybe not? It must be one of them things that comes natural and doesn't even need thought. Or I've been doing it wrong.
I think it comes naturally. I've ridden about 13 yrs, about 9 of those on the street, and never had a problem despite not hearing this term until recently.
Actually what i feel is that at higher enough speeds the biker can't get the vehicle to tilt so that it can make that turn so now counter steering does all the tilting effect for you which eventually makes the turn in desired direction way to easier
It worked amazing on scooter and bike at speeds of 20kmph+ according to my trials
It made the turns so instant i never thought about it though...
I did the MSF course in July and got my license in New Jersey. My only two-wheel experience was 10 years of riding a bicycle to work and for fun on weekends, and you also "counter-steer" on a bicycle, unless you're only doing 10 or less. It strikes me that nobody talks about counter-steering when you're learning how to ride a bike. You just do it. If you do anything else, you'll fall off, but what else is there to do?? I ask sincerely. Why is there so much emphasis on counter-steering when learning how to motorcycle? What else could you even do? Also, using the verb "push" to describe what you're doing to the handlebar just doesn't cut the mustard, feels like such a clumsy verb, though I can't think of a better one.
im going to the raceway park training course in a month, did they make you do a written test?
How much do you counter steer and how much lean
People say you countersteer to initiate the turn only
Or do you keep pushing the bars harder or just a little then lean??
Boom...thank you so very much! Truly the best and most easily understood explanation (for me of course) on this subject. The light just went on...lol! Thanks again for posting, gonna sub!
Love this guy in the first 10sec lol
Can you do a "How to start a Motorcycle" next video 🤣🤣
MannyMoto bro I could but the video would be like 30 minutes, do you think I should do it?! Or like a series on how to start it?
SALTxTHExWOUND definitely a series.
that's at least a five-part series
@@SALTxTHExWOUND meanwhile still recording the video
I’ve been doing this on my bicycle subconsciously forever
so im trying to learn this...new rider... so essentially you are not turning the handlebar your just leaning the bike? bc at higher speeds on twists i push right which makes me lean the bike right? as that what counter steering is? or hwat im feeling
Are you pushing the bars forward causing the angle of the front tire to change or are you pushing the bars into the ground?
Forward.
SALTxTHExWOUND
Very informative and helpful. Once you started riding, it made a lot more sense. Thank you, I am no longer a dummy! 😂
I actually understood your explanation out of the hundreds of videos I’ve watched trying to teach myself this
Love it. Great video with common sense explanations describing the physics behind counter-steering. Even this dummy got it!
Thank you! 👍
Thank you for this video. I’m new to riding and I was so scared to make turns. Now I’m taking it easy and re-watching to get the just of it. Subscribed!👊🏻
are you still riding? i just got my first bike
@@vJoeyy_ nope, I got into a accident and almost lost my life. Good luck with everything tho brother ❤️
@@lord_ibelieve man sorry to hear that, glad you made it though man. thats all that matters
@@vJoeyy_ How are you doing man?
If you are pushing your handle otherway to turn right then why your handle was right to turn right.. It supposed to left to turn right?
Clearest, best explanation of this I’ve yet seen. Nice one.
For a person that didn’t understand it 5 minutes ago... I makes sense but I can’t explain it. But it makes so much sense
"Alright so this is your motorcycle, right?"
"no this is my motorcycle, alright? MoDaFuCKa"
- understandable, have a great day.
I have literally 1 hour and a half of experience riding, i went and bought a bike from a guy who lives 35+ miles away from me, that was the 3rd time EVER on a bike & not to mention, it was night time, i used the freeway to take the bike home by myself going 60-80 miles an hour .. i THINK I COUTER STEERED with out even realizing i counter steered lol!!! How eles was i able to take the bike home in one piece lol!!!! The freeways where i live aren’t a straight line either!
I am not a dummy, I just realized after watching this video, that I do it every time when I ride my bike.
Hello am new to riding just a question. Say am taking a left corner. I push left do I keep pushing left if I want to turn more. And push Wright to stand bike up after corner.thanks
gunner836
Yes. It takes practice to learn how the bike responds at different speeds and to different amounts of force, though.
So your saying when I’m going 40 or so if I want to go right turn left as hard as I physically can.
really cant get this do i need to push down the handle bar or push forward?
Forward!
By pushing, do you mean pushing down / outwards? Like pushing the handlebar down so that the bike tips a little?
You push forward slightly. Keep pushing until you reach the desired lean, then stop pushing more, just keep a neutral pressure on the bar.
Man, you might've just saved me from getting fucked up on my first motorcycle.... I haven't bought it yet but I was going in with the idea that it would be like riding my stealth bomber ebike..
hey thanks for watching man! glad I could help! :)
so most of the turn is completed via the lean and not the handlebars?
Gor No and yes.
Steering leads to a lean. Lean leads to a turn. Turn leads to circle and he circle makes your head spin.
Push it down vertically or push it up horizontally?
It was a nice video. I thought it was a new concept but I finally understood that I am doing it intuitively right. You only see what you know!!
Very good!
Best explanation so far
Glad you liked it
Let’s say your taking a left at a red light do you start the turn by just gaining speed and counter steering or just usually turn the handle bars
This is not counter steering. Counter steering is most prominent when you need to avoid an obstacle. Let's say you see a pothole in the last second and you want to go around it on the left side. First you turn slightly right to get all the weight in the opposite direction, then turn left sharply. As you said, you can do that on a bicycle too. Counter steering is best demonstrated by policemen on bikes when they go through their precision driving course. They can counter steer those cruisers at ridiculously low speeds. What you did is you just held the handlebar so it wouldn't fully turn in the direction you are travelling, otherwise the bike would just fall flat on its side.
WHy are you saying that you are pushing when you are obviously turning right to go right and then turning the wheel left to come out of a right turn at 3:15?
He pushes right grip to turn right.
He pushes left grip to turn left.
The front wheel does indeed turn into the bend, but this is due to the steering geometry of the bike and not rider input. If you were a rider you’d understand this. If you are a rider, learn how your fucking bike steers.
“ this is your motorcycle right” me having the same bike with same decals . “yes”
This is improper counter steering , this method could kill u in a real scenario, it’s push the handlebar slightly forward to the left, it’ll lean and go right and vice versa
DragonSlayer King thank God someone understand counter steering.. This dude is explaining steering not COUNTER steering
Which is exactly what he said. Move handlebars to the right,lean left and go left. But push the left handlebar To the right. He just worded it poorly
you don't push the handlebar down for counter steering instate you push the handlebar forward to make the bike go opposite direction . its all physics
I feel like counter-steering is the motorcycle world version of ligma
Daveedi what is ligma ?
Now I don't feel so dumb! Actually I like the way you explained it, good vid Salt. Your 750 is really nice, love my 07 750.
Is he pushing the handle bar vertically downward or is he pushing horizontally
sundeep charan push forward toward the front of the bike
dowward forward. More force pushing the handle down than the bike it will stand itself making u push forward and down. Its natrual. Just go to a lot and try weeve left and ride by pushing the handles down on both side. U will get it within a few mins. But doing that going 100mph is kinda scary so when u first take corners just go really slow and never use front brakes and put ur right foot on rear brakes IF emergency and u enter the corner to fast than slightly tap the right foot and take the corner and acclerate out of the corner.
And always look at the road ahead where u want to go.
Most people crash cuz they arent looking when they corner and use the front brakes cuz they entered the corner too fast.
Lil off topic... Is counter steering relevant on an electric scooter? (at speeds)
counter steering in relevant even on a bicycle, so yes. :)
Bro 33 seconds into the video and u made me laugh. I followed cuz if that
Some great negative coments here, what Mr Salt is saying is absolutely correct, you push left you go left, you push right you go right. What a lot people don't understand is what happens to the front tyre when you initiate a turn this way. All to do with the change of radius. Every rider uses counter/positive steering whether they realise it or not. Ride safe guys 👍
I’m new to biking and watching countersteer after my bro mentioned it. It just sounded odd. But after watching the vid from 5:00 as it hours around the left then right turn, it became clear to me that I’m already doing this. Just hold your phone between two clenched fists, like you are riding, and try pushing with right hand to turn left. Feels wrong at speed. Then try it as it should be done, and it feels like it dies on the road. Like leaning to generate a low speed rotational torque to offset the centripetal torque. Basically it’s just naturally what you do
so basically it's just pushing force on the force of the handlebars instead of turning them
basically yes :)
So technically your pushing down not forward yes?
If you push forward it will actually turn the wheel?
Forward!
Are those stock wheels on ur GSXR 750? they seem to have more neon green around them than the stock photos i looked up
Beautiful bike mate
Also, remember to look where you want to go. Just do not look at the pothole or whatever it is you want to miss ... Because you will ride directly into it. That said ...
Good video of counter-steering.
I don’t understand the confusion. If you ride a bicycle it’s the same thing. The people confused never rode bicycles?
Dude, its called "counter" steering for a reason. Its making the bike go right by pushing it to the left and making the bike go left by pushing it to the right. What you're doing is just regular steering
So do you counter steer on every turn 20mph and above???
Had my Bike for 2 days and some jerk clipped the front wheel and I totaled my bike :( The jerk did not stop.. I miss my bike .. Going for another new bike next year ..
I automatically knew how to do this, even before knowing what it's called, because I was a cyclist before I became a rider.
Yep! Exactly the same on bicycles! :)
To make sure I understand correctly, you are pushing forward on the grip, not downward correct?
Yes, push forward on the left handlebar and it will go left. I've watched 20 videos today and every one of them is roughly the same. At faster than parking lot speeds it works.
Great demo
Thank you so much for explaining so beautifully
I can hear the snowflake tears patter on the ground 😂😭
Thanks for the video, I must be doing it without realising it because I passed my Mod 2 last October and I didn’t understand this until like Monday gone. Haven’t tried it yet while intentionally doing it, but I’ll let you know if I die 🤘🏼🤘🏼
You insult me right as the video starts. Instant sub.
I like how you called us dammies. 😂😂 thanks for the lecture I love this channel
Your bike looks amazing man!!
I actually was a counter steering dummy till 6 minutes ago 😜
One question : do riders dragging their knees also use counter steering? same principle?
Very well demonstrated thank you
ehsan83
Everybody who goes round corners does it. Everybody.
It's PUSH not turn thank u for clarifying that a lot of ppl don't say that let alone demonstrate it properly I just started riding and got a Honda cbr300 2015. Also I pressed the front brake while my handle bars where turned and my bike took me to the ground and I was only going like 2mph so I had to learn the hard way lol
I am apparently a dummy. I watched twist of the wrist 2, but this video finally made it click
Sweet heavens, the questions are hurting me! Just get out and try it on an empty road or gradually work your way up to speed on a track! I promise you, it'll start to come naturally as you pick up your pace, in the same way that you get comfortable with shifting gears and engaging a clutch and throttle with your hands!
Does counter steering works this way on scooters as well?
So your basically saying push the bar forward to turn I’m coming from dirtbike to a street bike real soon
Push right bar, go right
Push left bar, go left
Push forward!!!!
You watch he'll start to teach us wheelies next fellas.😂
Sleepingdragon 1 NEVER! Wheelies are bad for you! Lol 😂
So we don't have to lean if we use counter steering to change lanes and in corners???
Vikas Jha
Just "go with the bike" is enough.
No "Body English" required although it can help when done right.
Nice demo