I wish you had like 5 million subs, because one you made great content and two is that it seems like all of the content creators who are big, keep repeating, the same thing of oh “I want this suit” and they are just repeating the same most generic ideas. I want gameplay changes, like big changes. I have a list of all the changes that I tried to contact insomniac about if you are interested. But the sad part is even though they are ideas at the chance of insomniac actually, seeing them is low and we only have four months left anyways. 🔵Graphics, obvious but just make a bigger leap than just a tiny upgrade, kind like how god of war didn’t make a huge leap to ragnorok so try and be the opposite of that COMBAT: 🔵Fov slider to make not just combat but gameplay in general more immersive, or exhilarating with a zoomed out one 🔵Make the basic combat animations different, as so far they seem very similar, we as players have gotten used to these animations for years now and would like something faster, more eccentric, and sleek, with more variation in between. Make the enemy impact and effects of Spider-Man’s power more noticeable, ex: enemies flying further, more imbalanced and affected by punches, overall feel etc. Let’s Spider-Man interact with the environment more Make more web creativity abilities such as making a web net that traps a bunch of enemies in a wide area or sticks them to be immobile, let us use a manual web line to restrain and immobilize enemies to various objects, or make it so whenever you shoot a web when they are near a wall, part of their body gets stuck until the final amount of webs webs them completely like the first game. And let us use web lines to parkour and get creative and let us maneuver around our own webs to fight enemies. Another is say a slingshot attack where you can slingshot yourself, enemies, objects etc. 🔵Take inspiration from web of shadows, let us have more genuine combos to execute cool moves and allow the freedom and fluidity that game has to have follow up attacks such as the web-zip following into many different options to toy with the enemy. 🔵Make a new defensive/evasive system that has multilels levels to it. For example the dodge, press dodge one and you will slightly tilt your body to avoid the attack (similar to Jedi survivors perfect dodg) so that you don’t have to completely move out of the vicinity but instead you can keep momentum with your attacks, then Double press dodge to perform an evasive dodge more akin to the first two games, and then of course keep the follow up with the jump button after. I know we can parry now and that’s great, but could we potentially block some attacks? Would be more engaging instead of always having to dodge. New and multiple dodging animations for each direction that are more acrobatic and sleek 🔵Make the dodge have less delay so that it is more free flowing and there isn’t a pause after the dodge is done, where you are waiting to get back up again and you can keep moving after the dodge, such as sliding when you push the joystick so you are still moving slightly after the dodge and you can smoothly transition out of it also make the distance traveled while evading or any move in general higher and more exhilarating and let us have more control over movement in general because that is a huge aspect for Spider-Man. Let us redirect attacks, pretty simple 🔵Make the abilities have more actual utility and effect, for example, the web pull ability in the first game barely moves the enemy, it should be where most enemies can be pulled straight to you, or at least be able to sweep their legs or something with the webs Very specific, but for throwing objects and enemies, let us use our hands as well to manually throw them and bigger objects like web of shadows has, and make the wind up for these animations non existent, and make them very short for example, throwing an object with your webs isn’t a 2 second spin, but rather a quick1 or 2 handed toss or throw so that it is more satisfying and quick. 🔵Also try to integrate parkour more inside of combat such as leaping over enemies and bouncing between them, over and under poles, walls etc (reminds me, make more moves/abilities where we can target more than one person) to show Spider-Man’s finesse and movement. beat down ability sort of like the new one seen in the trailer where you can execute a flurry of attacks very quickly depending on the status of the enemy and situation Minor gripe but make some animations like idle ones, running, less awkward and more natural TRAVERSAL: I am going to quickly list random abilities that would help diversify the traversal, then I will go more in depth of bigger changes/fixes Loop de loop around cranes,poles etc Pole swinging vertically and horizontally Slingshot (mid air) or up a building Cool idea to use the web liken mechanic to make your own “pole” to loop de loop and swing off of Climbing up web Double armed web swings to propel more force forwards and do other things like attaching both webs to two buildings and swinging your body to build, momentum and releasing Sliding and skiing on surfaces (sunset over drive) More elastic web physics Now, for the more in-depth and drastic changes, you should incorporate swinging modes with “classic” being more, classic to the first two games, and “expert/realistic“ mode incorporating more physics-based swinging example: webs can be bent by buildings, webs, move and contort in different directions, momentum plays a greater role, and is harder yet skillful and rewarding, and the biggest change would be to allow us to manually aim where we shoot our webs at (sort of like Fortnite) to control, where, in win, you are aiming to swing and calculate your trajectory because honestly, this was a game changer in Fortnite, and felt much more manual and fun and made you feel in control Also, improve wall traversal to give us more options in freedom And for parkour, this needs a serious overhaul to make it more manual instead of just holding the R2 button and keep the momentum built up and free-flowing and letting us do more things combine with webswinging and parkour like skiing on rails in sliding against things. Overall, i’m recommending these things, because I really do care about this franchise and think it will be elevated to a level where the game actually feels like a huge upgrade and not just a “DLC“ with the power of the PS5, the fact that you already have the blueprint and structure of the game done, you have had 3 to 4 years of development, and lots of feedback I someone expect there to be a huge shift in gameplay, because I have no doubt your second game will be good, and great even, but if it doesn’t raise the bar a significant amount, then I don’t feel like it can truly be amazing Also, I’m really hoping that the gameplay showcase they showed was from a previous early build, as I’m pretty sure this is a common marketing strategy used to show “worse“ gameplay so that when nearing the release, the current build, they are working with looks a lot better and is an instant buy or hopefully they just didn’t show other optional swing modes or combat options or something like that. It is kind of coping, but nobody else is making any Spider-Man games right now and there’s a lot of potential with these games but I don’t feel like they’re fully realize sometimes because of this stupid trend of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it“ or “it’s a sequel. It doesn’t need to reinvent the wheel” Also feel free to use these ideas in a video. I don’t care I don’t need credit, if you do decide to use them do you have any ideas on how else to get these to insomniac?
Listen,everything I read was literally on my mind since the beginning of the franchise. Like they have so much talent and resources to make us truly feel like Spiderman with realistic Spider-Man animations and in depth movement overall. They had 5 years to work on it so they either didn’t show it yet or they just barely changed anything! I hope they change or improved on the blueprint, cause Im buying the game regardless but after that we all need to keep bothering them about all the details they need to implement in the next game.
I think the only thing I don’t really care much for is a graphical overhaul, if all of these systems that yourself and many others have recommended were actually implemented it would be the best game of all time
@@AlStankAss I don’t really care either, a lot of people are crying about the graphics not being a huge upgrade from the trailer and from what I’ve seen, it looks better already, and it’s not even finish, and another contributor to this is the camera angle, and FOV, if they just gave us a simple FOV slider, you could see the more detail textures, and it would look like a next-gen game
Momentum needs to be brought to life when swinging. You always max out on falling speed and swinging speed, but what if when we fell from avengers tower and swung it’d carry our momentum like it would in real life, or in the movies.
@supercalifragilisticexpial2044 ok and play another game then. your the minority the majority want and like it this way automatica web swinging isn't a bad th ong it's very fun as long as you know how to ise it and I'm sick of you guys acting like web swinging is the only thing you can do improve your skill my god no wonder you get bored easily and this version of spiderman is more experienced he can't make mistakes and wtf is the point of scraping his feet on the ground spiderman doesn't do that it doesn't matter if it's anti climatic or not realistic this is spiderman he doesn't do that and neither should we able to do that web attaching on to cars be nice just like in fortnite tho bit other then that doesn't matter and nothing about spiderman feels robotic in this game. Insomniac is very talented so be quit and stop trying to change thier product then this is what they want this is what fans want deal with it saying the things peter does feels wrong is just excuses. This game ain't holding your hand you just don't know how to appreciate somthing because you want everything perfect we already got perfect stop holding R2 all the time that exactly why insomniac won't listen to you minorities you don't know how to use the things the game gives properly. Saying spiderman levitates a little before the web is just a nitpick and a design flaw nothing more spiderman swinging should be easy something as fun as this shouldn't have a challenge we don't need anything you need to grow up and accept what we got if we got more mechanics thier should be nothing challenging about it it's fun not easy or challenging stick to combat for that dumb stuff this is spiderman not a racing game. Spiderman is fun it doesn't need to be better especially with these crappy ideas you should have said this instead. Spiderman is fun but we can ruin it even more
As someone who swings on this game a lot for fun, I can say I agree with this because not only does Spider-Man do cool moves to avoid you failing, but sometimes, the game thinks you are going to go into a wall when in reality you’re just trying to make the swinging more fun by swinging closer to the buildings. This leads to spider-man doing a random trick to avoid the building which makes you lose all momentum and can be pretty frustrating at times
Remember when Peter and Miles were on the phone talking about how in order to web swing efficiently you need to calculate every move while flying through the air? That’s what the swinging needs to feel more like. At least give players seeking to push their skills to the limit the option.
I really think they should have two separate web swinging modes. Have one for the easier already well known insomniac swinging system, and have Another new swinging system that adds challenging mechanics and more realism. Really wish we also got realistic physics but hey we can’t have everything. Loved the vid and hopefully this game makes the past 2 games look like booty In comparison.
from that one swing we saw miles do, I know it's half a second, but I despaired when I saw it. I can tell it's still gonna be floaty and not truly physics-based
@Ben but there's still hope... again, insomniac akwsys loves to please everybody. So maybe it's within some sort of option to turn ohysics on. Just have some faith.
3 modes for swinging would be great, Classic being like Spider-Man ps4 and miles, Manual for the more experienced players and, Automated or Cinematic mode for players that want a more arcadey web swinging feel
I 100% agree, I had the same feeling when I played the newer games. It LOOKS cool, but once i realized there was no fall damage or any sense of failure, swinging felt more like a chore, it stpped being fun and exhilerating because there is no sense of danger. There is no adrenaline rush from flying down the city or jumping from a building to swing at the last second because i know nothing will happen if I fail.
Great points honestly! I've noticed this with a lot of recent big budget titles, and not that it's a terrible thing it's absolutely cool and cinematic but it does take the controls from the player and I think in some cases that takes away from the experience. I agree there should be options to be able to customize for that type of thing. Not everyone wants a ball crushingly difficult or realistic experience, but at least give them the option. I'm gonna be dating myself here, but I think a neat implementation of it could be similar to the old Tony Hawk games, but like swinging instead of skating. Sometimes you do cool tricks and sometimes you eat shit but you get better and are able to judge that better for next time. Great video man, I'm so hyped to see how this game does. It really looks cool, and I'm pumped for the story cause anything involving the Symbiotes in any regard is instant S tier for me.
You don't need ghe option that so uncesscary literally no game takes the experience or control away from players that yall being greedy and wanting more
You convinced me. Web swinging would be way more fun and engaging if there was more chance for failure. I kinda like the auto wall run when making contact while swinging but I’d love for there to be momentum stopping obstacles on the roads and even attachments to buildings that stick out a decent bit. Maybe even face plant a wall if you aren’t swinging. It would make the time spent going from place to place better!
@@The-Legend-of-P The weight and momentum are consistent, with the option to toggle web assist and increased speed. Overall, they've done a good job, and I'm pleased. I hope they add the ability to run along the floor while swinging and a way to maintain momentum after landing on a rooftop.
@@removedm thats good to hear! the momentum rooftop has been a gripe of mine since the first game. Also I think being able to web to a building without jumping first would be cool but ik they program the ground for combat
Part of me feels like Insomniac knows the expectations for the web-swinging are higher now that it’s a PS5-focused game. There are so many things that they can implement to enrich the swinging mechanics for the players, especially those who have played the previous 2 (or 3) games. The gliding is such a good implementation because it’ll keep things fresh. However, if they don’t at least try to improve the swinging (you know, what makes Spider-Man, Spider-Man) then I’ll genuinely be upset. I trust Insomniac.
Thing is they confirmed the speed of the web swinging has been raised from the other two games, meaning the momentum aspect of the traversal has been improved according to them. But I honestly can't put much judgment on it until we get more footage of the web swinging since we got very scripted set pieces. I feel we'll get a better idea if they release footage of the open world.
@@proto245remembered when they teased us in the 2017 gameplay and people were mad about the slow web swinging only to learn that the demo of the swinging was done slowly on purpose. That gameplay was only using R2 without pressing X. When the 2018 webswing demo came people got shocked lmao.
Thank you for saying this. It needed to be said, and the people who think otherwise, insomniac can add an accessibility mode that gives you hand holding swinging.
I think with the swinging into a wall and talking damage that wouldn’t really work with the wall running function. Unless you have to press a button to activate wall run which then it becomes a need to rework the base system which would take longer than it’s worth and I’m not mad at them for taking the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” route and building off what they had in the previous 2 iterations. As much as I’d love advanced swinging if they attempted that we’d have a much longer waiting period and it’d be more trouble than it’s worth for the team
I absolutely agree with every single thing you're saying here. I love Spiderman and my biggest complaint with the last game was no fall damage, and since they fixed that it was awesome and I love it. The next thing I want them to do is make the web lines actually physically react, like if you're going around a corner I want the web to get short cause it's getting caught on thew wall not phase through it.
I wish you could gain a ridiculous amount of momentum while web swinging or have advanced web swinging mechanics. The big appeal of these games are not necessarily the cinematic portions or beating up thugs, I’d argue it’s mainly the web swinging aspect of it
I actually traded emails with the studio during the making of the first game and I told them they should have fall damage. The response I got was that wasn’t the game they wanted to make. They said they believed it made people feel more like a superhero by not fearing a fall.🙄
I respect your opinion. If the web swinging becomes advanced it would be awesome. But im worried they might complicate the feature. it might become hard to understand for some people. According to me they should let the player choose between a "simple" and "advanced" web swinging mode.
I mean I don’t have a problem with the swinging we already have but I can agree with what you’re saying that would be nice the only thing I want is for Peter to have new animations because it looks like he doesn’t but I digress
I like your points and insomniac for better or worst listen to fans and there has been many videos of ppl having the same issues so I think they’ll add more depth and incentive to get better at swinging
This comment makes me have faith but why wouldn’t they show at least some of the “improvements “ they did with swinging or traversal in general ?? That makes me think they barely did anything because “if it aint broken don’t fix it” apparently !
I COMPLETELY agree with your points. Every bit. The realism of swinging is what hooked me back when Spider-Man 2 release when I was but a wee lad. Do I think they'll switch it up in Insomniac's games? Probably not, but i won't let that stop what i believe should be the web swinging system. The polish, animations, and speed will make the web swinging engaging. Despite the automation, learning how it kicks in during gameplay can be a skill in itself. Once you learn that, you can forcefully try and go with the momentum of your weblines. This gives the illusion of flow, and in the end can look very satisfying. Nothing will beat the real thing, but this is as coose as you can get with thr arcade-like feel.
I think they should add an automation feature in the accessibility settings, maybe make it on by default, but have the ability to turn it off. I think there is skill involved in the swinging from the old games, but if they add failure and such it could become much more skillful, and give you an incentive to just swing around the city, for the sake of practicing. As for the momentum, while It could provide issues for moments when you are trailing an enemy or something like that, for example, in the older games, using enhanced swing speed mods, even if only slightly, allow me to completely pass shocker while chasing him. However, in the new gameplay reveal, it is slightly disappointing to see miles build up so much speed from catapulting himself in the air, and then watch the visibly noticeable slow down in speed when he web swings. It won't make or break the game for me, hell, it won't even be a negative factor, but it would be cool if they added momentum and higher skill based swinging.
Lowkey aged bad. I didn't like how the wings seemed to play in the first trailer, but actually playing it myself changed my view. It made swinging 10x better. Not to mention turning off swinging assist makes it much more skill based.
The entire video serves as a plea for what they actually implemented: to enhance the swinging experience, making it *'arguably'* more skill-based (as you said they added a way to disable swing assist). So I believe the video has aged like fine wine-I'll glaze myself lol. I briefly mentioned the web wings in a small portion of the video and didn't criticize them at all; I merely raised a valid concern, a concern might I add is still valid.
I just loved the web swinging in the last two games, it’s almost therapeutic in a sense. It’s nice to be able to do cinematic wall runs, swing close to the ground, and experiment without feeling anxious that I’d crash into something. However, I can see the argument being made here. The feeling of actually getting better, honing your skills not just as Spider-Man, but as the player. That is a nice risk-reward ratio. Sometimes, I just want to turn my brain off and swing. I hope they find a way to balance both sides.
I agree with everything you said but even if they don’t do what you said. They should at least add a variety of swinging/traversal animations. We need more…. I repeat more animations, having more animations in every aspect of Spiderman, we wouldn’t get bored soo easily!
I think they will have more even animations and we really didn't see much of it, but tbh if we don't it makes sense, Peter has already gotten used to his web-swinging style for years so why would he look too different?
@@sizz2856 shut up with that dumb excuse. In that case he has also been fighting crime for 8 years why would he get hit by some nobody low level thug? Shouldn't the game just auto dodge for us? Lame ass
Im sure we will infact there was one. But from what we see your swing speed seems faster. However even if it barley changed or maby did not change at all. I wouldn't be too upset the first game is still the best web swinging we have ever seen and i dare say some of the best traversal we have ever seen.
your not wrong but the lets be real the swinging needs improvement as it'll just feel like a DLC there is a lot the could do like if you swing too close to the ground you get a like a run while swimming animation like in the into the spider verse movie. options to climb your swing like in the chase scene of tasm2 etc
@@omariangillette9027 Once again this is definitely a fair opinion and I actually do agree. However the statement of it would just feel like a DLC is completely wrong there is way too much new content and new updates to say dlc.
Honestly i loved the 1st marvels spiderman swinging alot i didnt want to change the style of it or anything all i want them to do is add the swingboost to the back buttons like the older spiderman games and i will be okay
They really need to amaze us with the web swinging. After all, that’s one of the most fun things to do as Spider-Man. I think they should increase the speed a bit more, add more flair to animations, take inspiration from old games and use their mechanics like WoS and Spider-Man 2 and let the swinging be more physics based and even ultimate Spider-Man with the web climbing or running against the walls if you swung close to them.
They clearly did take some but old games swinging weren't that good and the animations are fine they added new ones they have done enough with the web swinging we will get more another game yall just need to learn to deal with whst you got because what we got is great they also increased the speed enough we don't need more not to mention for all the games your speed is increased when you level up they don't need anything else from old games and stop with this physics bs we don't need it this game perfectly fine we have enough physics to it and it already has tgat too this is fictional and you can already run against the walls and we have web climbing
I noticed they stayed away from walls, or building during gameplay making the focus the set pieces and the symbiote, it could mean they didn’t wanna show us everything and they’re hiding new wall and parkour mechanics and hopefully some new swinging mechanics outside of the gliding ( for the love of god let my feet touch the ground when I swing)
I could not agree more. I’ve had this in mind since Spider-Man PS4 came out. While it’s visually stunning and cinematic, the depth in swinging is really needed. Unfortunately, they sre catering to casual gamers. There should be two swinging options. But this will never happen. This generation will probably just get offended by it.
Couldn’t agree more bro. Thank you for making this video. Was the one thing I was looking forward to enhancing , and it looks identical. Very underwhelmed.
If what you said in this video are things in the game I hope they are optional features. I don't really want realistic swinging but I would try it if it was OPTIONAL!
The best part about games is that after all of those failures we don't give up and we keep going and get better at the game like for instance the skate trilogy when you fail it shows your character hit a wall and it does the xray animation show the character break his bones and rven after that we keep going and learn better skate tricks mistakes are made so we can learn from the better
I agree with you, you should have been based off of how Spider-Man was in the movies. The real is on of web swinging. Because we didn't see miles make any mass ups at all only Peter from the first spider-man and to me if you're just getting your powers you should mass up I mean every super hero mass up all the time.
I don’t see why they can’t just have an expert webslinging option and the same old automated option from the previous 2 games. Let me be able to hold onto to my webs, crash into walls, run along the ground while holding onto webs, be able to hold onto 2 webs at the same time, shoot webs from each individual hand with L2/R2, and move faster without any weird upwards arching necessary to gain any sort of momentum.
I agree, but sadly i don't think we're going to see any of that in the sequel. Also am I the only one that thinks its weird that with the release of the first game, insomniac released loads of interviews talking about the gameplay and showing e3 and updated footage. And with the sequel, we've had one trailer and one piece of gameplay in about two years. It's just kinda odd.
Feel the problem with web swinging is the lack of player expression and the hand holding the hand holding is for folks that just wanna pick up the game and feel like Spider-Man which works but it also limits players that wants to push the system I have two solutions ether add an automatic and manual mode or (my personal favorite) have tricks be more expansive instead of tricking in between swings have us be able to trick while on the line, while running on buildings, while doing parkour etc just turn the game into Tony hawk pro skater if we fail a trick we get punished hard but it’ll make us feel even cooler to pull off a extremely long trick combo
I would love to see more in depth web swinging. Consequences to mistakes, like damage for running face first into a wall. I don’t think they’ll implement this though since most people don’t seem to care about that stuff.
The wall thing reminded me. What I always wonder is why can Spider-Man be immune to all fall damage from any height available in New York City (at least), but a street thug’s punch can do damage? Since it’s all blunt impacts.
@@removedm another thing to mention is that challenge and depth doesn’t take away mainstream appeal. Resident evil 4 remake, (I haven’t played it, but) elden ring, and my favorite game doom eternal were all had depth and could be brutally hard and were all very successful critically and financially.
@removedm before the 2017 game came out, insomniac stated there won't have fall damage due to Peter's experience(8 years as spider-man) it wouldn't make sense for him to be clumsily falling or slamming in to buildings
I swear i mentioned this several times. Spider-Man not making mistakes in seinging makes sense for a very experienced Spider-Man. This isnt 2-3 years after he becomes. Its now a whole decade.
That doesn't excuse certain stuff being automated by the game By that logic vehicles should automatically drive away from obstacles and stop and go on their own in a racing game or GTA game, guns and weapons should automatically shoot enemies with little to no input in first and third person shooters cause the characters are experienced Spider-Man being experienced is no excuse for handholy mechanics. There are past videogame Spider-Men that have been Spider-Man longer like Web of Shadows version which is just the comic version in game form. That game made stuff like wall crawling and running player controlled and unlike Insomniac's jank wall traversal you could move in all directions
@@DatPRGuy2017 As of now, the only primary issue is the engine the game is being run on. Its similar to how most Sonic games don't feel like they're on similar speeds.
Swinging needs to have fails similar to combat. After replaying a chunk of the first game and now playing Miles Morales, I can say the combat in both games is stellar. Sure, some fine tuning and upgrades are needed, but it’s powerful and acrobatic. I feel like Miles Morales took the swinging and added a slight amount of control (in comparison to the first game). I’ve already fumbled a couple of times, but when you nail a turn around the corner, coupled with a dodge pull that lets you land on a wall and wall run around another corner, that’s a cool feeling that cannot quite be given justice through text or video. Realistically, they need to make more complicated swinging an option. If you want the training wheels, you can have them, but if you choose for a more complex system, it should be integrated into the next game. They’ve laid the foundation for the literal best Spider-Man movement system ever, they just need to give us control when playing.
Yes. I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way. Also the physics and animations still look the same. I wanna do loop de-loops on cranes like at the end of Spider-Man 1
That was alpha footage. I do hope they have a difficulty setting for swinging. When I was young playing spider-man swinging ngl I was ass now that I’m old and revisiting those games I’m learning my bearings. Only time will tell we got 4-5 months
They did clearly say that they gave us just a simple taste of what is to come for Spider-Man 2. They're know to please everyone, so there could be an option uf those want it. But at this point... You gotta have faith in them.
A bunch of press talk was released today and it seems like the traversal is the exact same except slightly faster. No loops, no touching the ground, no depth. Some people are saying there's a fall damage toggle but they won't provide a source. Overall, incredibly disappointed so far with what we know of the traversal.
@@removedm So it seems like some people are confirming that you can actually do a loop when diving and the TASM2 corner tug. It still doesn't seem to be physics based as it sounded like you have to unlock the move first (not 100% sure), but it's definitely better than nothing.
Basically, games entertain us by giving us a sense of accomplishment from overcoming the challenges they pose.. When you're not allowed to fail, there's no real challenge, no significance to your victories, no pride from developing skills... we just grind to get to the next cutscene.
Video Games work as a medium through how much agency they can give the player When there’s not a sense of challenge it will lose its appeal over time Swinging in SMPS4 was fun but then gets boring after a time
Sony games are basically interactive movies and the swinging is part of that. It’s supposed to look and feel cinematic. Sony doesn’t really make good games but they do make decent experiences.
@@bra-he9dl Not really, both still follow the rollercoaster like design of every other recent sony title. The only exception is Bloodborne. (And only because is wasn’t even a Sony studio)
@@bra-he9dl I don’t believe they are good games. When I think of a good game I think of Doom, Dark Souls, or even The Sims. A good game exists to push gameplay as that is what sets it apart from other media. Sony games have basic gameplay and exist to tell stories, this is not a bad this but I categorize them differently for that reason.
@@bra-he9dl Yes and No, they may definitely have a lot more interactive segments than several other Sony games but the whole interactive movie feeling is still there with several levels and set pieces
Same here. I’m 27, been playing spider man games since 2002. The only thing I want is realistic physics while swinging. The new games are too easy, it’s like driving a car in GTA that never crashes. Also it doesn’t make sense to jump off a skyscraper and be ok. In the older games you’d die.
I couldn’t agree more. I’m really hoping they just copy the swinging from Spider-Man 2 with more polish and finesse. Here’s to hoping there’s a physics based system in the swinging when this game releases
I've been AKSING someone to share my opinions on the web swinging for literally 3 yrs now since the miles game came out. Every mf I talk to ab it only cares about new suits or new areas but what I think really matters is new gameplay mechanics. I mean this is a ps5 exclusive game. MAKE IT FEEL NEXT GEN. Give us near realistic graphics and more realistic npc's, environments, and swinging animations etc. If we just get a spiderman ps4 duplicate only with queens and the Bronx added, I'll be a lil pissed. Albeit I'll play the mf all day and night, but I'll be a lil bothered.
bro just have a valid opinion and you label it is a “bad take”. They literally showcased the web swinging in the gameplay trailer so it’s fair game to judge and criticize if required. Your take is the actual bad one.
It's literally the exact same game Just new graphics and a new story, the web swinging still has the same problem as the last ones, so many people didn't want it to be the same game but here we are. Disappointed...smh
@@fimurr Dude stop moving the goal post . Your og comment said this game was the same as the first, I said you were wrong then you brought up swinging speed. I debunked that point and now you’re bringing up the swinging speed cap. Make up your mind
Im going to be honest I love the insomniac web swinging I get why people want spiderman 2 web swinging but I prefer being able to parkour while web swinging it makes me feels like Spiderman but I do think there is a middle ground Insomniac should add spiderman 2 web swinging mode that you can use like a classic or new version seen in games like mafia
Just played upon release for a few hours and the swinging feels so much worse than miles morales, i cant choose when to create a web anymore, i'll let go of R2 then hold it again and they'll shoot a web 2 seconds later when im liable to hit the ground or i get stuck in a triple backflip animation... It also likes to throw me towards a building im trying to swing AROUND and turns me around for no reason sometimes while swinging, camera and all
@@removedm yup, tried adjusting it a bunch, no assist/low assist was the best i could get but still ran into a bunch of problems and didnt fix the swing delay or animation loops, higher assists would constantly attach webs on the right as i swing left or attach webs on the left as i swing right completely clotheslining me into a building accross the street which i didnt experience in the previous 2 games, it would attach webs on the side i was pointing the left stick towards and allow me to slingshot round buildings Idk just feels like im fighting the assist way more on this game but without assist (or on setting 2) you cant get the "height assist" where you can start swinging really low and get height gradually without smacking into the floor losing all momentum (and dying if you have fall damage turned on for funsies) With 0 or 1 assist you have to constantly watch your height because it wont stop you smacking into the floor (and there isnt a swinging run gimmick move like amazing spider man 2) and anything 2 or above stops you from actually controlling your swings yourself, its infuriating, its like theyve designed this game specifically for the reviewer that couldnt complete the cuphead tutorial
But then what about the wall running mechanic you can’t have him crash into the wall and then have him die then you wouldn’t be able to woman anymore because then if you’re on the side of the building you only be able to roll one on the side not run up
I disagree. Simple as that. If people don't want to play the game because they don't think it has changed enough, then that's none of my business. Same sentiment towards people who think the traversal or combat needs a complete overhaul instead of improving what's already there (majority of the ideas that I've seen and heard require the game to have an overhaul). Call me whatever you want, but I'll still enjoy the game and find my own issues with it (If i even find any at all).
Feeling our mistakes would be so awesome. But what if you were swinging through the city and decided to run up a wall. Wouldn’t you face plant into the wall instead of running or climbing up the wall.
I never understand the point of people wanting new web swinging mechanics. I can see why but imo, I think the mechanics we have ow are great. I dont think Insomniac needs to chnage up a formula thats already good. Plus, you can tell that Insomniac is a studio thats not gonna put something in their games if its not necessary
@@removedm exactly my thoughts, well said. I hate when people say “if it aint broken dont fix it”! Its not about fixing, its about evolving and innovating.
They are not perfect lmfao. Spidey only swings from one web despite him swinging occasionally from two in the movies and some older games, there's no web climbing to gain additional height, he cannot do loop-de-loops, there's moon gravity when Spidey gets close to the ground which fucks up immersion cause movies and games would just have a sequence where Spidey slides his hands across the ground or run on it whilst swinging so he doesn't lose momentum Also the diving mechanics is so bad, it doesn't transfer to your swing unlike Spider-Man 2 where the location and height of where you dived from played a role into how much speed you'd gain. In Insomniac's diving from the Avengers Tower feels no different than diving from a regular building, they use camera tricks to fool you into thinking otherwise but luckily there's a mod for the PC version which removes the camera tricks and just shows how safe they went with it
And all things coming the same dumbass community who's bitching about "downgraded" graphics and water physics....haha...yeah okay. Because let's be real here...Insomniac would have to re-work the swining mechanics JUST TO ADD a new difficulty to the swinging. What time would they have just to do that. Developing a game isn't that simple. Plus, say if they do add new swinging mechanics... y'all will either abuse the mechanics, bitch that it's too hard or clunky, or bitch that they didn't add more...yall expect WAY TOO MUCH...Shut up!
I feel most of your points could be summed up by making it an option in the games settings. Yes it would be nice to have mistakes but to newer players or people who just can't be bothered, having your mistakes be full throttled - eg slamming into a wall - just isn't practical. As for spider-man dying and etc, it's called selecting a difficulty, that seems obvious. You have good points but they merely top them selves as basic because they can be easily 'disproved' if you will.
@removedm I definitely get where ur coming from and hope the game includes smth like this. Plus having Miles make mistakes would've made more sense in the second game, they kinda did this by having him slam into the ground when flipping. But using your own point against u here, it wouldn't be too 'realistic' for spiderman to be slamming into stuff when messing up swings, he has 8+ years of experience so he would counter it. But I digress I agree w some of ur points and continue making amazing content.
While I won’t deny that I agree improving the swinging and traversal is a must. I’d argue the swinging in the insomniac games still rewards you for skillful playstyle. If you look up advanced swinging techniques you’ll see tons of videos doing a lot of impressive swinging. Now I’ll agree it’s not Spider-Man 2 but I’ll be fair no Spidey game since 2 has that same physiques and momentum yes including web of shadows it has a lot of in depth mechanics but it’s different compared to Spidey 2.
@@removedm If I’m gonna be honest while I can understand where you’re coming from. This whole simple nature doesn’t bother me. Mostly cause the traversal still requires skill. Is it Spider-Man 2? No absolutely not however I’d argue it doesn’t need to be. It should try and focus on being good and in depth enough for skilled players to feel rewarded for doing new maneuvers casuals don’t do. However it’s simple enough for casuals to just swing around normally. I will say I’m fine with an easy swing and manual swing mechanic for Spidey 2.
I wish you had like 5 million subs, because one you made great content and two is that it seems like all of the content creators who are big, keep repeating, the same thing of oh “I want this suit” and they are just repeating the same most generic ideas. I want gameplay changes, like big changes. I have a list of all the changes that I tried to contact insomniac about if you are interested. But the sad part is even though they are ideas at the chance of insomniac actually, seeing them is low and we only have four months left anyways.
🔵Graphics, obvious but just make a bigger leap than just a tiny upgrade, kind like how god of war didn’t make a huge leap to ragnorok so try and be the opposite of that
COMBAT:
🔵Fov slider to make not just combat but
gameplay in general more immersive, or exhilarating with a zoomed out one
🔵Make the basic combat animations different, as so far they seem very similar, we as players have gotten used to these animations for years now and would like something faster, more eccentric, and sleek, with more variation in between.
Make the enemy impact and effects of Spider-Man’s power more noticeable, ex: enemies flying further, more imbalanced and affected by punches, overall feel etc.
Let’s Spider-Man interact with the environment more
Make more web creativity abilities such as making a web net that traps a bunch of enemies in a wide area or sticks them to be immobile, let us use a manual web line to restrain and immobilize enemies to various objects, or make it so whenever you shoot a web when they are near a wall, part of their body gets stuck until the final amount of webs webs them completely like the first game.
And let us use web lines to parkour and get creative and let us maneuver around our own webs to fight enemies. Another is say a slingshot attack where you can slingshot yourself, enemies, objects etc.
🔵Take inspiration from web of shadows, let us have more genuine combos to execute cool moves and allow the freedom and fluidity that game has to have follow up attacks such as the web-zip following into many different options to toy with the enemy.
🔵Make a new defensive/evasive system that has multilels levels to it. For example the dodge, press dodge one and you will slightly tilt your body to avoid the attack (similar to Jedi survivors perfect dodg) so that you don’t have to completely move out of the vicinity but instead you can keep momentum with your attacks, then Double press dodge to perform an evasive dodge more akin to the first two games, and then of course keep the follow up with the jump button after. I know we can parry now and that’s great, but could we potentially block some attacks? Would be more engaging instead of always having to dodge.
New and multiple dodging animations for each direction that are more acrobatic and sleek
🔵Make the dodge have less delay so that it is more free flowing and there isn’t a pause after the dodge is done, where you are waiting to get back up again and you can keep moving after the dodge, such as sliding when you push the joystick so you are still moving slightly after the dodge and you can smoothly transition out of it
also make the distance traveled while evading or any move in general higher and more exhilarating and let us have more control over movement in general because that is a huge aspect for Spider-Man.
Let us redirect attacks, pretty simple
🔵Make the abilities have more actual utility and effect, for example, the web pull ability in the first game barely moves the enemy, it should be where most enemies can be pulled straight to you, or at least be able to sweep their legs or something with the webs
Very specific, but for throwing objects and enemies, let us use our hands as well to manually throw them and bigger objects like web of shadows has, and make the wind up for these animations non existent, and make them very short for example, throwing an object with your webs isn’t a 2 second spin, but rather a quick1 or 2 handed toss or throw so that it is more satisfying and quick.
🔵Also try to integrate parkour more inside of combat such as leaping over enemies and bouncing between them, over and under poles, walls etc (reminds me, make more moves/abilities where we can target more than one person) to show Spider-Man’s finesse and movement.
beat down ability sort of like the new one seen in the trailer where you can execute a flurry of attacks very quickly depending on the status of the enemy and situation
Minor gripe but make some animations like idle ones, running, less awkward and more natural
TRAVERSAL:
I am going to quickly list random abilities that would help diversify the traversal, then I will go more in depth of bigger changes/fixes
Loop de loop around cranes,poles etc
Pole swinging vertically and horizontally
Slingshot (mid air) or up a building
Cool idea to use the web liken mechanic to make your own “pole” to loop de loop and swing off of
Climbing up web
Double armed web swings to propel more force forwards and do other things like
attaching both webs to two buildings and swinging your body to build, momentum and releasing
Sliding and skiing on surfaces (sunset over drive)
More elastic web physics
Now, for the more in-depth and drastic changes, you should incorporate swinging modes with “classic” being more, classic to the first two games, and “expert/realistic“ mode incorporating more physics-based swinging example: webs can be bent by buildings, webs, move and contort in different directions, momentum plays a greater role, and is harder yet skillful and rewarding, and the biggest change would be to allow us to manually aim where we shoot our webs at (sort of like Fortnite) to control, where, in win, you are aiming to swing and calculate your trajectory because honestly, this was a game changer in Fortnite, and felt much more manual and fun and made you feel in control
Also, improve wall traversal to give us more options in freedom
And for parkour, this needs a serious overhaul to make it more manual instead of just holding the R2 button and keep the momentum built up and free-flowing and letting us do more things combine with webswinging and parkour like skiing on rails in sliding against things.
Overall, i’m recommending these things, because I really do care about this franchise and think it will be elevated to a level where the game actually feels like a huge upgrade and not just a “DLC“ with the power of the PS5, the fact that you already have the blueprint and structure of the game done, you have had 3 to 4 years of development, and lots of feedback I someone expect there to be a huge shift in gameplay, because I have no doubt your second game will be good, and great even, but if it doesn’t raise the bar a significant amount, then I don’t feel like it can truly be amazing
Also, I’m really hoping that the gameplay showcase they showed was from a previous early build, as I’m pretty sure this is a common marketing strategy used to show “worse“ gameplay so that when nearing the release, the current build, they are working with looks a lot better and is an instant buy or hopefully they just didn’t show other optional swing modes or combat options or something like that. It is kind of coping, but nobody else is making any Spider-Man games right now and there’s a lot of potential with these games but I don’t feel like they’re fully realize sometimes because of this stupid trend of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it“ or “it’s a sequel. It doesn’t need to reinvent the wheel” Also feel free to use these ideas in a video. I don’t care I don’t need credit, if you do decide to use them do you have any ideas on how else to get these to insomniac?
Bro wrote an entire epistle 😭
@@Novanimator I made this a while Ago bro 💀 been adding into it whenever I get a new idea or sum. Shi is kinda crazy tho ngl
Listen,everything I read was literally on my mind since the beginning of the franchise. Like they have so much talent and resources to make us truly feel like Spiderman with realistic Spider-Man animations and in depth movement overall. They had 5 years to work on it so they either didn’t show it yet or they just barely changed anything!
I hope they change or improved on the blueprint, cause Im buying the game regardless but after that we all need to keep bothering them about all the details they need to implement in the next game.
I think the only thing I don’t really care much for is a graphical overhaul, if all of these systems that yourself and many others have recommended were actually implemented it would be the best game of all time
@@AlStankAss I don’t really care either, a lot of people are crying about the graphics not being a huge upgrade from the trailer and from what I’ve seen, it looks better already, and it’s not even finish, and another contributor to this is the camera angle, and FOV, if they just gave us a simple FOV slider, you could see the more detail textures, and it would look like a next-gen game
Momentum needs to be brought to life when swinging. You always max out on falling speed and swinging speed, but what if when we fell from avengers tower and swung it’d carry our momentum like it would in real life, or in the movies.
This isn't true at all. I am literally replaying Spider-Man, and there is momentum and differentiation in speed depending on how you swing
@EyeOhNine People should be more specific then... because the comment I replied to literally stated numerous things that already exist...
Okay then.
Increase swing momentum with everything in front of you loading real time. See if that works.
There was definitely more momentum in the trailer they were swinging MUCH faster than the old game
@supercalifragilisticexpial2044 ok and play another game then. your the minority the majority want and like it this way automatica web swinging isn't a bad th ong it's very fun as long as you know how to ise it and I'm sick of you guys acting like web swinging is the only thing you can do improve your skill my god no wonder you get bored easily and this version of spiderman is more experienced he can't make mistakes and wtf is the point of scraping his feet on the ground spiderman doesn't do that it doesn't matter if it's anti climatic or not realistic this is spiderman he doesn't do that and neither should we able to do that web attaching on to cars be nice just like in fortnite tho bit other then that doesn't matter and nothing about spiderman feels robotic in this game.
Insomniac is very talented so be quit and stop trying to change thier product then this is what they want this is what fans want deal with it saying the things peter does feels wrong is just excuses.
This game ain't holding your hand you just don't know how to appreciate somthing because you want everything perfect we already got perfect stop holding R2 all the time that exactly why insomniac won't listen to you minorities you don't know how to use the things the game gives properly.
Saying spiderman levitates a little before the web is just a nitpick and a design flaw nothing more spiderman swinging should be easy something as fun as this shouldn't have a challenge we don't need anything you need to grow up and accept what we got if we got more mechanics thier should be nothing challenging about it it's fun not easy or challenging stick to combat for that dumb stuff this is spiderman not a racing game.
Spiderman is fun it doesn't need to be better especially with these crappy ideas you should have said this instead.
Spiderman is fun but we can ruin it even more
As someone who swings on this game a lot for fun, I can say I agree with this because not only does Spider-Man do cool moves to avoid you failing, but sometimes, the game thinks you are going to go into a wall when in reality you’re just trying to make the swinging more fun by swinging closer to the buildings. This leads to spider-man doing a random trick to avoid the building which makes you lose all momentum and can be pretty frustrating at times
Remember when Peter and Miles were on the phone talking about how in order to web swing efficiently you need to calculate every move while flying through the air? That’s what the swinging needs to feel more like. At least give players seeking to push their skills to the limit the option.
I really think they should have two separate web swinging modes. Have one for the easier already well known insomniac swinging system, and have Another new swinging system that adds challenging mechanics and more realism. Really wish we also got realistic physics but hey we can’t have everything. Loved the vid and hopefully this game makes the past 2 games look like booty In comparison.
Well you are in luck lmao
My wishes came true. Thank you Insomniac!
I feel like they did change it but they didn’t wanna spoil it for us yet
from that one swing we saw miles do, I know it's half a second, but I despaired when I saw it. I can tell it's still gonna be floaty and not truly physics-based
@Ben but there's still hope... again, insomniac akwsys loves to please everybody.
So maybe it's within some sort of option to turn ohysics on.
Just have some faith.
@@ben66562 I actually feel it's TOO physics based right now and needs to be more fantastic.
@@ArthropodSpidey ahahahahhahhahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhaha lmfaooooo
@@ArthropodSpidey jesus make up your minds holy. Yall want physics and no physics. I’ll just trust them and see what they bring us!
3 modes for swinging would be great, Classic being like Spider-Man ps4 and miles, Manual for the more experienced players and, Automated or Cinematic mode for players that want a more arcadey web swinging feel
I 100% agree, I had the same feeling when I played the newer games. It LOOKS cool, but once i realized there was no fall damage or any sense of failure, swinging felt more like a chore, it stpped being fun and exhilerating because there is no sense of danger. There is no adrenaline rush from flying down the city or jumping from a building to swing at the last second because i know nothing will happen if I fail.
Great points honestly! I've noticed this with a lot of recent big budget titles, and not that it's a terrible thing it's absolutely cool and cinematic but it does take the controls from the player and I think in some cases that takes away from the experience. I agree there should be options to be able to customize for that type of thing. Not everyone wants a ball crushingly difficult or realistic experience, but at least give them the option.
I'm gonna be dating myself here, but I think a neat implementation of it could be similar to the old Tony Hawk games, but like swinging instead of skating. Sometimes you do cool tricks and sometimes you eat shit but you get better and are able to judge that better for next time.
Great video man, I'm so hyped to see how this game does. It really looks cool, and I'm pumped for the story cause anything involving the Symbiotes in any regard is instant S tier for me.
You don't need ghe option that so uncesscary literally no game takes the experience or control away from players that yall being greedy and wanting more
You convinced me. Web swinging would be way more fun and engaging if there was more chance for failure. I kinda like the auto wall run when making contact while swinging but I’d love for there to be momentum stopping obstacles on the roads and even attachments to buildings that stick out a decent bit. Maybe even face plant a wall if you aren’t swinging. It would make the time spent going from place to place better!
For real, It would greatly improve the overall experience of moving around the city.
@@removedmhave you played Spider-Man 2? What do you think of traversal?
@@The-Legend-of-P The weight and momentum are consistent, with the option to toggle web assist and increased speed. Overall, they've done a good job, and I'm pleased. I hope they add the ability to run along the floor while swinging and a way to maintain momentum after landing on a rooftop.
@@removedm thats good to hear! the momentum rooftop has been a gripe of mine since the first game. Also I think being able to web to a building without jumping first would be cool but ik they program the ground for combat
Spider man 2 from PS2 still has the better swinging mechanics and no one can convince me otherwise
It does. The only ones that even come close are Web of Shadows, and Spider-Man 3 (PS3, Xbox 360, PC).
ultimate spiderman is also pretty dope
@@rhinuu045 Yes it is! You can climb on your webs. I think a combination of both SM2 and Ultimate SM swinging would make the perfect spider man game
Took the words out of my mouth. I always get hate for it, but I found the last game's swinging to be lacking. We NEED physics in the swinging.
Whenever he launched himself is how fast the normal swinging needs to be
i heavily agree
@@moonsets-on_you thank you 👍
Part of me feels like Insomniac knows the expectations for the web-swinging are higher now that it’s a PS5-focused game. There are so many things that they can implement to enrich the swinging mechanics for the players, especially those who have played the previous 2 (or 3) games. The gliding is such a good implementation because it’ll keep things fresh. However, if they don’t at least try to improve the swinging (you know, what makes Spider-Man, Spider-Man) then I’ll genuinely be upset. I trust Insomniac.
Thing is they confirmed the speed of the web swinging has been raised from the other two games, meaning the momentum aspect of the traversal has been improved according to them. But I honestly can't put much judgment on it until we get more footage of the web swinging since we got very scripted set pieces. I feel we'll get a better idea if they release footage of the open world.
@@proto245remembered when they teased us in the 2017 gameplay and people were mad about the slow web swinging only to learn that the demo of the swinging was done slowly on purpose. That gameplay was only using R2 without pressing X.
When the 2018 webswing demo came people got shocked lmao.
Im upset lol the web swinging is the same
Oof didnt age well
Thank you for saying this. It needed to be said, and the people who think otherwise, insomniac can add an accessibility mode that gives you hand holding swinging.
Yes! Exactly!
I think with the swinging into a wall and talking damage that wouldn’t really work with the wall running function. Unless you have to press a button to activate wall run which then it becomes a need to rework the base system which would take longer than it’s worth and I’m not mad at them for taking the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” route and building off what they had in the previous 2 iterations. As much as I’d love advanced swinging if they attempted that we’d have a much longer waiting period and it’d be more trouble than it’s worth for the team
For me
1 needs to be faster
2 animations need to be more free flow
3 the time it takes you to shoot a web line needs to be a few seconds not instant
I absolutely agree with every single thing you're saying here. I love Spiderman and my biggest complaint with the last game was no fall damage, and since they fixed that it was awesome and I love it. The next thing I want them to do is make the web lines actually physically react, like if you're going around a corner I want the web to get short cause it's getting caught on thew wall not phase through it.
they should just have a mode for complicated and baby swinging tbh
I wish you could gain a ridiculous amount of momentum while web swinging or have advanced web swinging mechanics. The big appeal of these games are not necessarily the cinematic portions or beating up thugs, I’d argue it’s mainly the web swinging aspect of it
They still be swinging before the web even connects😂
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Dang! Fuzzy mic drop! Great point!
The game you want has the same title but it's on a older console
I actually traded emails with the studio during the making of the first game and I told them they should have fall damage. The response I got was that wasn’t the game they wanted to make. They said they believed it made people feel more like a superhero by not fearing a fall.🙄
I love Insomniac but I believe artistry and ego should never come before the 'game'. It's a video game, make it one through and through.
@@removedmthey said there's now an option to turn on and off fall damage
That'd be something at least.
I’m sure the swinging is the same but enhanced greatly, which is the way it SHOULD be
For what’s it’s worth, I totally agree with everything you’re putting forth in this video.
I appreciate it man :3
Looking at the new gameplay Sony has released, i'd say that the web swinging has improved.
I respect your opinion. If the web swinging becomes advanced it would be awesome. But im worried they might complicate the feature. it might become hard to understand for some people. According to me they should let the player choose between a "simple" and "advanced" web swinging mode.
I just need pure physics on my 4k TV
75”
I think that the idea of player agency, is why I like fighting games so much
I mean I don’t have a problem with the swinging we already have but I can agree with what you’re saying that would be nice the only thing I want is for Peter to have new animations because it looks like he doesn’t but I digress
bro what web swinging 😭 we barely saw it
they literally showed Miles and Peter swinging are you slow bro? Swear you meat riders lack brain cells for fun.
I like your points and insomniac for better or worst listen to fans and there has been many videos of ppl having the same issues so I think they’ll add more depth and incentive to get better at swinging
This comment makes me have faith but why wouldn’t they show at least some of the “improvements “ they did with swinging or traversal in general ?? That makes me think they barely did anything because “if it aint broken don’t fix it” apparently !
@@KravenZorothe swinging was way faster in the new gameplay but they aren’t going to spoil everything for the sake of GOTY
I COMPLETELY agree with your points. Every bit. The realism of swinging is what hooked me back when Spider-Man 2 release when I was but a wee lad. Do I think they'll switch it up in Insomniac's games? Probably not, but i won't let that stop what i believe should be the web swinging system.
The polish, animations, and speed will make the web swinging engaging. Despite the automation, learning how it kicks in during gameplay can be a skill in itself. Once you learn that, you can forcefully try and go with the momentum of your weblines. This gives the illusion of flow, and in the end can look very satisfying. Nothing will beat the real thing, but this is as coose as you can get with thr arcade-like feel.
were getting older and we seem to want better web swinging and a challenge? perhaps perhaps...
I would love a "dodge" mechanic while swinging, where you can dodge traffic lights and shit if you swing to low.
I think they should add an automation feature in the accessibility settings, maybe make it on by default, but have the ability to turn it off. I think there is skill involved in the swinging from the old games, but if they add failure and such it could become much more skillful, and give you an incentive to just swing around the city, for the sake of practicing. As for the momentum, while It could provide issues for moments when you are trailing an enemy or something like that, for example, in the older games, using enhanced swing speed mods, even if only slightly, allow me to completely pass shocker while chasing him. However, in the new gameplay reveal, it is slightly disappointing to see miles build up so much speed from catapulting himself in the air, and then watch the visibly noticeable slow down in speed when he web swings. It won't make or break the game for me, hell, it won't even be a negative factor, but it would be cool if they added momentum and higher skill based swinging.
Lowkey aged bad. I didn't like how the wings seemed to play in the first trailer, but actually playing it myself changed my view. It made swinging 10x better. Not to mention turning off swinging assist makes it much more skill based.
The entire video serves as a plea for what they actually implemented: to enhance the swinging experience, making it *'arguably'* more skill-based (as you said they added a way to disable swing assist).
So I believe the video has aged like fine wine-I'll glaze myself lol. I briefly mentioned the web wings in a small portion of the video and didn't criticize them at all; I merely raised a valid concern, a concern might I add is still valid.
I just loved the web swinging in the last two games, it’s almost therapeutic in a sense. It’s nice to be able to do cinematic wall runs, swing close to the ground, and experiment without feeling anxious that I’d crash into something.
However, I can see the argument being made here. The feeling of actually getting better, honing your skills not just as Spider-Man, but as the player. That is a nice risk-reward ratio. Sometimes, I just want to turn my brain off and swing.
I hope they find a way to balance both sides.
I agree with everything you said but even if they don’t do what you said. They should at least add a variety of swinging/traversal animations. We need more…. I repeat more animations, having more animations in every aspect of Spiderman, we wouldn’t get bored soo easily!
I think they will have more even animations and we really didn't see much of it, but tbh if we don't it makes sense, Peter has already gotten used to his web-swinging style for years so why would he look too different?
@@sizz2856 shut up with that dumb excuse.
In that case he has also been fighting crime for 8 years why would he get hit by some nobody low level thug? Shouldn't the game just auto dodge for us?
Lame ass
I love how you’re casually sitting over there in crispy as 4k while the background is in welfare 1080p
Pretty sure they might cuz they already added trick failure in miles morales
I just hope there's an option to aim where you swing
Use the left stick to aim a point along the buildings like Arkham knight.
@@spiddyman0079 i thought the left stick was for moving
@@ozzie_theotter its for both also in spiderman 2 ps2 u aim the web with the left stick
Im sure we will infact there was one. But from what we see your swing speed seems faster. However even if it barley changed or maby did not change at all. I wouldn't be too upset the first game is still the best web swinging we have ever seen and i dare say some of the best traversal we have ever seen.
your not wrong but the lets be real the swinging needs improvement as it'll just feel like a DLC there is a lot the could do like if you swing too close to the ground you get a like a run while swimming animation like in the into the spider verse movie. options to climb your swing like in the chase scene of tasm2 etc
@@omariangillette9027 Once again this is definitely a fair opinion and I actually do agree. However the statement of it would just feel like a DLC is completely wrong there is way too much new content and new updates to say dlc.
Honestly i loved the 1st marvels spiderman swinging alot i didnt want to change the style of it or anything all i want them to do is add the swingboost to the back buttons like the older spiderman games and i will be okay
First of all how much can you change spider-mans swinging second of all the game is not finished
They really need to amaze us with the web swinging. After all, that’s one of the most fun things to do as Spider-Man. I think they should increase the speed a bit more, add more flair to animations, take inspiration from old games and use their mechanics like WoS and Spider-Man 2 and let the swinging be more physics based and even ultimate Spider-Man with the web climbing or running against the walls if you swung close to them.
They clearly did take some but old games swinging weren't that good and the animations are fine they added new ones they have done enough with the web swinging we will get more another game yall just need to learn to deal with whst you got because what we got is great they also increased the speed enough we don't need more not to mention for all the games your speed is increased when you level up they don't need anything else from old games and stop with this physics bs we don't need it this game perfectly fine we have enough physics to it and it already has tgat too this is fictional and you can already run against the walls and we have web climbing
NGL this is a pretty stupid video, making the traversal part of the game challenging would just be weird and awkward to look at.
I noticed they stayed away from walls, or building during gameplay making the focus the set pieces and the symbiote, it could mean they didn’t wanna show us everything and they’re hiding new wall and parkour mechanics and hopefully some new swinging mechanics outside of the gliding ( for the love of god let my feet touch the ground when I swing)
Yes exactly bruh. More control, less handholding gameplay. Imagine learning to master the swinging system would be so fun. I agree man
I could not agree more. I’ve had this in mind since Spider-Man PS4 came out. While it’s visually stunning and cinematic, the depth in swinging is really needed. Unfortunately, they sre catering to casual gamers. There should be two swinging options. But this will never happen. This generation will probably just get offended by it.
I've given up at this point, I've heard rumours about how they might've added some additional swinging perks but we'll see.
@@removedmand a swinging setting.
Nah... they'll give everyone what they desire.
Couldn’t agree more bro. Thank you for making this video. Was the one thing I was looking forward to enhancing , and it looks identical. Very underwhelmed.
If what you said in this video are things in the game I hope they are optional features. I don't really want realistic swinging but I would try it if it was OPTIONAL!
The best part about games is that after all of those failures we don't give up and we keep going and get better at the game like for instance the skate trilogy when you fail it shows your character hit a wall and it does the xray animation show the character break his bones and rven after that we keep going and learn better skate tricks mistakes are made so we can learn from the better
I agree with you, you should have been based off of how Spider-Man was in the movies. The real is on of web swinging. Because we didn't see miles make any mass ups at all only Peter from the first spider-man and to me if you're just getting your powers you should mass up I mean every super hero mass up all the time.
You can always make your own game 😁
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I don’t see why they can’t just have an expert webslinging option and the same old automated option from the previous 2 games.
Let me be able to hold onto to my webs, crash into walls, run along the ground while holding onto webs, be able to hold onto 2 webs at the same time, shoot webs from each individual hand with L2/R2, and move faster without any weird upwards arching necessary to gain any sort of momentum.
Completely agree
I agree, but sadly i don't think we're going to see any of that in the sequel. Also am I the only one that thinks its weird that with the release of the first game, insomniac released loads of interviews talking about the gameplay and showing e3 and updated footage. And with the sequel, we've had one trailer and one piece of gameplay in about two years. It's just kinda odd.
@@harryjd0_0 nah it’s insomniac, the game is going to be phenomenal.
They don’t need to talk about all that tbh. People know they’re quality.
@@TypicallyUniqueOfficialnah bro they want rn appeal to fkn kids. first
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Feel the problem with web swinging is the lack of player expression and the hand holding the hand holding is for folks that just wanna pick up the game and feel like Spider-Man which works but it also limits players that wants to push the system I have two solutions ether add an automatic and manual mode or (my personal favorite) have tricks be more expansive instead of tricking in between swings have us be able to trick while on the line, while running on buildings, while doing parkour etc just turn the game into Tony hawk pro skater if we fail a trick we get punished hard but it’ll make us feel even cooler to pull off a extremely long trick combo
I would love to see more in depth web swinging. Consequences to mistakes, like damage for running face first into a wall. I don’t think they’ll implement this though since most people don’t seem to care about that stuff.
The wall thing reminded me. What I always wonder is why can Spider-Man be immune to all fall damage from any height available in New York City (at least), but a street thug’s punch can do damage? Since it’s all blunt impacts.
@@removedm No I mean it’s a canonical immunity to have fall damage immunity. As actual spiders are known for having great falling durability.
@@removedm another thing to mention is that challenge and depth doesn’t take away mainstream appeal. Resident evil 4 remake, (I haven’t played it, but) elden ring, and my favorite game doom eternal were all had depth and could be brutally hard and were all very successful critically and financially.
@@removedm No I know it’s not infinite heights, but a punch from the IRL strongest boxer pales in comparison to a fall from the remaining Twin Tower.
@removedm before the 2017 game came out, insomniac stated there won't have fall damage due to Peter's experience(8 years as spider-man) it wouldn't make sense for him to be clumsily falling or slamming in to buildings
I swear i mentioned this several times.
Spider-Man not making mistakes in seinging makes sense for a very experienced Spider-Man. This isnt 2-3 years after he becomes. Its now a whole decade.
That doesn't excuse certain stuff being automated by the game
By that logic vehicles should automatically drive away from obstacles and stop and go on their own in a racing game or GTA game, guns and weapons should automatically shoot enemies with little to no input in first and third person shooters cause the characters are experienced
Spider-Man being experienced is no excuse for handholy mechanics. There are past videogame Spider-Men that have been Spider-Man longer like Web of Shadows version which is just the comic version in game form. That game made stuff like wall crawling and running player controlled and unlike Insomniac's jank wall traversal you could move in all directions
@@DatPRGuy2017 As of now, the only primary issue is the engine the game is being run on. Its similar to how most Sonic games don't feel like they're on similar speeds.
@@FirestoneAnimation Yeah IK. Did a feel dive on Insomniac's mechanics and how they aren't really physics based outside webs sticking to buildings
Nah, Insomniac decided to make some wings replace swinging instead. They better hop off making SM games.
Oh, you're a complete dumbass.
Swinging needs to have fails similar to combat. After replaying a chunk of the first game and now playing Miles Morales, I can say the combat in both games is stellar. Sure, some fine tuning and upgrades are needed, but it’s powerful and acrobatic.
I feel like Miles Morales took the swinging and added a slight amount of control (in comparison to the first game). I’ve already fumbled a couple of times, but when you nail a turn around the corner, coupled with a dodge pull that lets you land on a wall and wall run around another corner, that’s a cool feeling that cannot quite be given justice through text or video.
Realistically, they need to make more complicated swinging an option. If you want the training wheels, you can have them, but if you choose for a more complex system, it should be integrated into the next game.
They’ve laid the foundation for the literal best Spider-Man movement system ever, they just need to give us control when playing.
I would also like the web look like an actual web, just like in the movies, not a thin rope with all those details. It should be like barely visible.
Yes. I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way. Also the physics and animations still look the same. I wanna do loop de-loops on cranes like at the end of Spider-Man 1
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That was alpha footage. I do hope they have a difficulty setting for swinging. When I was young playing spider-man swinging ngl I was ass now that I’m old and revisiting those games I’m learning my bearings. Only time will tell we got 4-5 months
They did clearly say that they gave us just a simple taste of what is to come for Spider-Man 2.
They're know to please everyone, so there could be an option uf those want it.
But at this point...
You gotta have faith in them.
A bunch of press talk was released today and it seems like the traversal is the exact same except slightly faster. No loops, no touching the ground, no depth. Some people are saying there's a fall damage toggle but they won't provide a source. Overall, incredibly disappointed so far with what we know of the traversal.
I just saw the footage an hour or so ago myself, very disappointed. Games gonna be fun for sure, but the traversal looks awful.
@@removedm So it seems like some people are confirming that you can actually do a loop when diving and the TASM2 corner tug. It still doesn't seem to be physics based as it sounded like you have to unlock the move first (not 100% sure), but it's definitely better than nothing.
1:49 Bro preemptively roasted all these babies in the comments, gold
PS4 web swinging is very overrated, you can only see the same 5 animations so many times before the game gets boring if it takes no skill
Exactly... It's pretty bad.
i don't want to glide I want to swing
Then don't glide... The rest of us will be.
Basically, games entertain us by giving us a sense of accomplishment from overcoming the challenges they pose.. When you're not allowed to fail, there's no real challenge, no significance to your victories, no pride from developing skills... we just grind to get to the next cutscene.
In spider-man 2 you can easily die if you aren’t careful with your swinging
Video Games work as a medium through how much agency they can give the player
When there’s not a sense of challenge it will lose its appeal over time
Swinging in SMPS4 was fun but then gets boring after a time
Sony games are basically interactive movies and the swinging is part of that. It’s supposed to look and feel cinematic. Sony doesn’t really make good games but they do make decent experiences.
Um I think Spider-Man and Miles Morales are exceptions 😂
@@bra-he9dl Not really, both still follow the rollercoaster like design of every other recent sony title. The only exception is Bloodborne. (And only because is wasn’t even a Sony studio)
@@itsjimwaffle yeah but I think saying they don’t qualify as good games is a little harsh. They could’ve been way worse.
@@bra-he9dl I don’t believe they are good games. When I think of a good game I think of Doom, Dark Souls, or even The Sims. A good game exists to push gameplay as that is what sets it apart from other media. Sony games have basic gameplay and exist to tell stories, this is not a bad this but I categorize them differently for that reason.
@@bra-he9dl Yes and No, they may definitely have a lot more interactive segments than several other Sony games but the whole interactive movie feeling is still there with several levels and set pieces
Same here. I’m 27, been playing spider man games since 2002. The only thing I want is realistic physics while swinging. The new games are too easy, it’s like driving a car in GTA that never crashes.
Also it doesn’t make sense to jump off a skyscraper and be ok. In the older games you’d die.
I just hope they didnt replace the dive button, i love diving down and getting speed
Im worried theyre replacing it with the wingsuit
@@xboxfosho The wingsuit should be gyro activated or some new button combo, there is zero chance they're replacing dive for it they'll be trolling
Age has nothing to do with it we had control and freedom in swinging all the way back in Spider-Man 2.. the movie.. the game. On the ps2
Exactly.
Instead what they did is give the player tools so there’s less of it.
Seems so, unfortunate ~ but hey, we still haven't gotten hands on gameplay footage so there's still hope.
Very mature and reasonable logic in the way you view the situation new sub 💯
I couldn’t agree more. I’m really hoping they just copy the swinging from Spider-Man 2 with more polish and finesse. Here’s to hoping there’s a physics based system in the swinging when this game releases
They could just add a difficulty where your web failures matter or maybe you could have a limited web shooter
I've been AKSING someone to share my opinions on the web swinging for literally 3 yrs now since the miles game came out. Every mf I talk to ab it only cares about new suits or new areas but what I think really matters is new gameplay mechanics. I mean this is a ps5 exclusive game. MAKE IT FEEL NEXT GEN. Give us near realistic graphics and more realistic npc's, environments, and swinging animations etc. If we just get a spiderman ps4 duplicate only with queens and the Bronx added, I'll be a lil pissed. Albeit I'll play the mf all day and night, but I'll be a lil bothered.
hahaha, that ending had me rolling!🤣❤9:26
I really want for the symbiont black suit Spiderman a very, very, fast web swinging like Spiderman web of shadows but also in general
Bad take. You gotta play the game before you judge the webslinging play
bro just have a valid opinion and you label it is a “bad take”. They literally showcased the web swinging in the gameplay trailer so it’s fair game to judge and criticize if required. Your take is the actual bad one.
@@jewel_throne2950 they barely showed it off and that was a scripted sequence, they did the same thing with alot of the trailers for Spider-Man 2018
If its not significantly then im gonna be happier
It's literally the exact same game Just new graphics and a new story, the web swinging still has the same problem as the last ones, so many people didn't want it to be the same game but here we are. Disappointed...smh
That’s just blatantly false and the game hasn’t even come out yet
@@TheBigM.T well u can clearly see the web swinging is still slow it's only speed 2
@@fimurr it’s not the same speed, if you watch a side by side comparison of SM1 and SM2 you can see swinging is faster
@MattGotNoSauce it is but barely at all, it still caps out for no reason, I don't wanna jump off tall buildings to get capped out
@@fimurr Dude stop moving the goal post . Your og comment said this game was the same as the first, I said you were wrong then you brought up swinging speed. I debunked that point and now you’re bringing up the swinging speed cap. Make up your mind
Im going to be honest I love the insomniac web swinging I get why people want spiderman 2 web swinging but I prefer being able to parkour while web swinging it makes me feels like Spiderman but I do think there is a middle ground Insomniac should add spiderman 2 web swinging mode that you can use like a classic or new version seen in games like mafia
Yea as soon he started swinging I was like dam it 5 years for a cutscene dlc
I think youre right to a certain point, but theres no pleasing everyone. Itll be great either way without a doubt. We just gotta wait and see
Just played upon release for a few hours and the swinging feels so much worse than miles morales, i cant choose when to create a web anymore, i'll let go of R2 then hold it again and they'll shoot a web 2 seconds later when im liable to hit the ground or i get stuck in a triple backflip animation... It also likes to throw me towards a building im trying to swing AROUND and turns me around for no reason sometimes while swinging, camera and all
Have you tried tweaking the swing assist settings?
@@removedm yup, tried adjusting it a bunch, no assist/low assist was the best i could get but still ran into a bunch of problems and didnt fix the swing delay or animation loops, higher assists would constantly attach webs on the right as i swing left or attach webs on the left as i swing right completely clotheslining me into a building accross the street which i didnt experience in the previous 2 games, it would attach webs on the side i was pointing the left stick towards and allow me to slingshot round buildings
Idk just feels like im fighting the assist way more on this game but without assist (or on setting 2) you cant get the "height assist" where you can start swinging really low and get height gradually without smacking into the floor losing all momentum (and dying if you have fall damage turned on for funsies)
With 0 or 1 assist you have to constantly watch your height because it wont stop you smacking into the floor (and there isnt a swinging run gimmick move like amazing spider man 2) and anything 2 or above stops you from actually controlling your swings yourself, its infuriating, its like theyve designed this game specifically for the reviewer that couldnt complete the cuphead tutorial
@@OryXity Hmm that's kinda weird, perhaps it could be an issue? The game just dropped and patches will be on the horizon.
But then what about the wall running mechanic you can’t have him crash into the wall and then have him die then you wouldn’t be able to woman anymore because then if you’re on the side of the building you only be able to roll one on the side not run up
Where’s that TASM2 swinging footage from, color grading looks mad different
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this video is a banger keep it up
I disagree. Simple as that. If people don't want to play the game because they don't think it has changed enough, then that's none of my business.
Same sentiment towards people who think the traversal or combat needs a complete overhaul instead of improving what's already there (majority of the ideas that I've seen and heard require the game to have an overhaul). Call me whatever you want, but I'll still enjoy the game and find my own issues with it (If i even find any at all).
Feeling our mistakes would be so awesome. But what if you were swinging through the city and decided to run up a wall. Wouldn’t you face plant into the wall instead of running or climbing up the wall.
@@removedm good solution
I never understand the point of people wanting new web swinging mechanics. I can see why but imo, I think the mechanics we have ow are great. I dont think Insomniac needs to chnage up a formula thats already good. Plus, you can tell that Insomniac is a studio thats not gonna put something in their games if its not necessary
U just don’t understand what it could be like. I hate when people don’t push for better and just accept ok
@@removedm exactly my thoughts, well said. I hate when people say “if it aint broken dont fix it”! Its not about fixing, its about evolving and innovating.
@@jamesgrottano5583 well said
They are not perfect lmfao. Spidey only swings from one web despite him swinging occasionally from two in the movies and some older games, there's no web climbing to gain additional height, he cannot do loop-de-loops, there's moon gravity when Spidey gets close to the ground which fucks up immersion cause movies and games would just have a sequence where Spidey slides his hands across the ground or run on it whilst swinging so he doesn't lose momentum
Also the diving mechanics is so bad, it doesn't transfer to your swing unlike Spider-Man 2 where the location and height of where you dived from played a role into how much speed you'd gain. In Insomniac's diving from the Avengers Tower feels no different than diving from a regular building, they use camera tricks to fool you into thinking otherwise but luckily there's a mod for the PC version which removes the camera tricks and just shows how safe they went with it
And all things coming the same dumbass community who's bitching about "downgraded" graphics and water physics....haha...yeah okay. Because let's be real here...Insomniac would have to re-work the swining mechanics JUST TO ADD a new difficulty to the swinging. What time would they have just to do that. Developing a game isn't that simple. Plus, say if they do add new swinging mechanics... y'all will either abuse the mechanics, bitch that it's too hard or clunky, or bitch that they didn't add more...yall expect WAY TOO MUCH...Shut up!
I agree there needs to be a physics aspect to the traversal and momentum needs to actually carry over
I feel most of your points could be summed up by making it an option in the games settings. Yes it would be nice to have mistakes but to newer players or people who just can't be bothered, having your mistakes be full throttled - eg slamming into a wall - just isn't practical. As for spider-man dying and etc, it's called selecting a difficulty, that seems obvious. You have good points but they merely top them selves as basic because they can be easily 'disproved' if you will.
@removedm I definitely get where ur coming from and hope the game includes smth like this. Plus having Miles make mistakes would've made more sense in the second game, they kinda did this by having him slam into the ground when flipping.
But using your own point against u here, it wouldn't be too 'realistic' for spiderman to be slamming into stuff when messing up swings, he has 8+ years of experience so he would counter it.
But I digress I agree w some of ur points and continue making amazing content.
While I won’t deny that I agree improving the swinging and traversal is a must. I’d argue the swinging in the insomniac games still rewards you for skillful playstyle. If you look up advanced swinging techniques you’ll see tons of videos doing a lot of impressive swinging. Now I’ll agree it’s not Spider-Man 2 but I’ll be fair no Spidey game since 2 has that same physiques and momentum yes including web of shadows it has a lot of in depth mechanics but it’s different compared to Spidey 2.
@@removedm If I’m gonna be honest while I can understand where you’re coming from. This whole simple nature doesn’t bother me. Mostly cause the traversal still requires skill. Is it Spider-Man 2? No absolutely not however I’d argue it doesn’t need to be. It should try and focus on being good and in depth enough for skilled players to feel rewarded for doing new maneuvers casuals don’t do. However it’s simple enough for casuals to just swing around normally. I will say I’m fine with an easy swing and manual swing mechanic for Spidey 2.
@@Sky98332 What really isn't? The swinging does have depth just cause you don't use it doesn't mean it's not there.