Best Stand Of 2024? The NEW GT Omega DD-X Wheel Stand Review! 😀

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  • Опубліковано 26 січ 2025

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  • @blekenbleu
    @blekenbleu 8 місяців тому +17

    Rotate those clamps, so that the quick release handles point OUT instead of UP
    then capture tray straps under quick releases:
    - no bolts true frame holes
    - loosening quick releases enable sliding clamps

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  8 місяців тому +1

      That might work but it's not how it's shown on the GTO documentation or website (take a look), it adjusts between those two holes by loosening the QR and then pulling outwards slightly.

  • @xenic0770
    @xenic0770 8 місяців тому +13

    It’s assembled incorrectly. The u clamp for the chair link need to be rotated so the opening is up top. The quick release is so you can adjust the distance of the tray without tools.

    • @tesh88
      @tesh88 8 місяців тому +1

      Exactly. It's a great video though. Why do you think this one doesn't fold away like the apex?

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  8 місяців тому +2

      It's not mate, it's installed correctly, check the GT Omega website and images (as I did), it adjusts between those two holes by loosening the QR and then pulling outwards.

    • @xenic0770
      @xenic0770 8 місяців тому +13

      I’m staring at the site now. It’s exactly as I said it was. Also, mine came with directions and they are not built the same way you did. If they are truly supposed to be built the way you did it, then they are just utilizing the other kits parts instead of machining new ones.

    • @xenic0770
      @xenic0770 8 місяців тому +5

      Look at the 1st and 2nd images on the Apex Chair Link and you’ll see it.

    • @Shumanator94
      @Shumanator94 7 місяців тому

      ​@xenic0770 you already have the DD-X? what all have you mounted to it? I'm just curious of what all it can handle vs stability

  • @fomoco173
    @fomoco173 3 місяці тому +2

    I like the fact my Apex folds up. Working on the fabing a seat frame that will attach to the office chair tray with a quick release for storage.

  • @Vortechtral
    @Vortechtral 8 місяців тому +4

    I use the NLR wheel stand and I really have zero complaints. I only use an 8nm wheel on it, but I've never pressed my chair out of the chair trough, and its more shallow then the GTO. You look rather tall, those pedals look a tad close which gives you so much more leverage to push out if you push too hard on the brakes. Also the pulling doesn't really make much sense as in real sweaty moments I'm sure more people are pushing on their wheels trying not to crash and burn then pull and steer. The NLR stand is made of steel and is really heavy. Maybe that's why it doesn't move like that?
    For people that don't have a lot of room and want to spend some money wheel stands are great, just make sure you get a quality one like this one or the Next Level Racing. Both will be great and will be loads better then a desk.

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  8 місяців тому +1

      I'm 6ft mate and thats as low as my seat goes... another trade off with a wheel stand is driving position adjustment.
      The heavier the stand the better as mentioned, I had the NLR DD stand also and it is indeed great, just expensive compared to this and you gain little IMO.

  • @kylesimpson5331
    @kylesimpson5331 4 місяці тому +1

    Man the solution to me for office chair movement is just replacement wheels with decent brakes. My chair doesn't budge now. I also set my CSL brake at the traditional clutch location that gives me allot more room.

  • @cryo_vL
    @cryo_vL 3 місяці тому +1

    Received the DD-X and I can tell the manual is anything but clear. My mechanic skils went up with +23 today. ^^

  • @wayne8797
    @wayne8797 6 місяців тому +1

    I wonder if 3D printing custom parts to lock the rotation of the office chair and clamp it down onto the chair extension will solve some of the issues.

  • @makavelisreturn86
    @makavelisreturn86 5 місяців тому +2

    I am looking at ordering this stand, thanks for the very informative review! Subbed.......just a thought but perhaps with the chair mount the quick release and bolt need swapping over to alow for changing to the other hole? Could be wrong??

  • @gasracing5000
    @gasracing5000 8 місяців тому +1

    I like the caster tray. The biggest problem with stands is the chair or stand moving. Using the stand to keep the chair from moving back and the weight of driver in chair to help steady the stand is brilliant.

  • @eddiethehead1903
    @eddiethehead1903 5 місяців тому +1

    I locked my chair in the level position and eliminated the lift on the classic stand, the chair in the spring position makes you lean back while breaking causes the lift at the tray, l have a dd x on order, nice review

  • @masterfan0
    @masterfan0 9 днів тому +1

    How is it compared to the GT Omega Apex? I have the logitech g pro (11nm), and am thinking between those two stands. This one is more sturdy, but its not foldable. Do you reckon the Apex would be enough for 11nm?

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  5 днів тому

      Wheel stands are always a compromise when it comes to wobble and flex, the Apex is ok but won't be great with 11nm or torque.

  • @wwjnz9263
    @wwjnz9263 7 місяців тому +1

    If I were to buy a wheel tray for my Apex stand, Id probably get the same tray attached to the DDX in your review. I wouldn't be able to use the bolts that go through the arm, but the quick release clamp would keep the tray in place on my stand. So, maybe its a universal part?
    Also, I don't have the rear end of the Apex stand but, I use a ratchetting cargo strap to tether the chair to the stand. I am running the Fanatec CSL Elite v1 pedals, and I have my pedal force set to 70. Even at full braking it takes a lot to get the stand and chair to tilt away from eachother. I kept the strap as low as possible and have the hook ends on the chair's casters. Its a pretty solid setup. Not the most comfortable, but I can press the pedals as hard as I want, with no concerns about the chair tipping over.

    • @jamesrobinson1579
      @jamesrobinson1579 2 місяці тому +1

      Ratchet strap?!
      Brilliant. I am going to steal that idea!

  • @Felixzzzzz
    @Felixzzzzz 2 місяці тому

    I did just ordered mine today because of the black friday discount and also used your code. Thanks mate

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  2 місяці тому +1

      Good choice mate, enjoy!

  • @old-simracing-rookie
    @old-simracing-rookie 7 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for the video. I was thinking the same when assembled my next level 2.0 BUT the issue i have is after first 2 months i always have to tight more screws because of the vibrations. i have r12. i use pedals with 25bars on break and nothing moves BUT the base part is the most problematic for me.

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  7 місяців тому

      Just use some Loctite mate, job done :)

  • @jamesrobinson1579
    @jamesrobinson1579 2 місяці тому +1

    Am I not paying enough attention or is this 90% an Apex (got mine before they added the chair tray 😢) but with additional rigidity on the pedal tray and some corner brackets swapped in place of the pedal tray hangers?
    Looking at the site apparently I can het that chair tray separately so if I can get it sent to Canada I guess that is my solution moving back (already replaced the casters with feet but they still slip on carpet) when I get excited about braking or slamming down the clutch 😅.
    Next is either opt for the actual deat setup that I have no place to put when not in use 😔... Or find a comfortable chair that doesn't swivel!

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  2 місяці тому +1

      Their wheel stands are very similar but yes sadly there is always compromise when you cannot have a full static rig.

    • @jamesrobinson1579
      @jamesrobinson1579 2 місяці тому

      @KarlGosling Thanks. That's what I figured but I paused the video with my Apex right in front of the TV and it sure looks like a lot of the same parts. Unfortunately I must fold mine away because the room is also my dedicated 9.2.6 home theatre LOL gotta' be able to stash it away when I want to watch a movie.

  • @gto281
    @gto281 27 днів тому +1

    Hi Karl I’ve been looking for a good decent wheel stand and I found this one to be good enough but im just wondering I have a thrustmaster setup but how do i attach it to the stand? Does the stand come with the bolts I need to secure the wheelbase and pedals or I have to buy these bolts elsewhere?

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  24 дні тому +1

      Hmm I think you get some with the stand but it was a while ago so I can't be 100%.

    • @gto281
      @gto281 24 дні тому

      @ I’ll have to wait to figure it out it’s on the way, and used your code KG5, thanks!

  • @haythamrizk9995
    @haythamrizk9995 14 днів тому +1

    Hi Karl, thanks for this video, I really need help here, I got a space problem and I cannot decide whether to buy the playseat challenge x or this wheel stand from omega, I got a gaming chair that is fixed to the ground with a heavy plate with no chair wheels.
    Looking forward for your advice

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  12 днів тому

      It's really not something I can tell you mate, everyone's needs are slightly different... what I will say though is a foldable cockpit like the PSCX or GT Omega Sprint is always better than a wheel stand IMO.

    • @haythamrizk9995
      @haythamrizk9995 12 днів тому

      @@KarlGosling thank you ❤️

  • @AremagosYT
    @AremagosYT 2 місяці тому

    Still unsure if this would be a better choice then the NLR Wheelstand 2.0. Where I am, the NLR one is about 20% cheaper because of shipping but this one looks a bit sturdier. Any recommandations? Also would a Playseat Trophy (which is also on sale for me atm) be a big step above both of those and be worth the extra cost for the overall experience?

  • @NoamSoreke
    @NoamSoreke Місяць тому +1

    Great review is it compatible with the Moza R9 and their SRP pedals, with a Moza shifter?
    Thanks

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  Місяць тому

      GT Omega also sell Moza so I would think so mate yes.

  • @Shumanator94
    @Shumanator94 7 місяців тому +1

    Just launched in the US and used your code. Thanks Karl!!

  • @roburritoDX
    @roburritoDX 5 місяців тому +1

    Do you think the NLR 2.0 is worth the extra price over this? Also, are you able to comment on the footprint compared to the Apex and NLR wheel stands. Looking at the measurements and overall design, the DD-X seems to be a bit smaller.

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  5 місяців тому

      No I don't mate, this is just a solid where it counts.
      Footprint I can't comment on other than comparing dimensions as you have.

    • @skolvikings5263
      @skolvikings5263 2 місяці тому

      About the same price since shipping is $80 to the U.S.

  • @user-oh4cf9lr6o
    @user-oh4cf9lr6o 3 місяці тому

    Great video, very informative. You said you cant run the pedals at more than 60% load. What is that in Nm?

  • @jraze9725
    @jraze9725 4 місяці тому +1

    In your opinion does the pedal plate goes further back conpared to apex? Had the apex once and the main issue was the pedal plate. In my configuration pedals were going out of the plate for about half of them

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  4 місяці тому

      I honestly don't know mate sorry!

  • @HierIsJesse
    @HierIsJesse 8 місяців тому +1

    Hey Karl! I love your channel, got a G920 second hand and a new GT Lite a few years ago because of you. And it's time to upgrade! I was wondering if you had any recommendations for loadcell pedals around €200-300, I've been staring at the Simsonn PRO or the Moza SRP for a while now.

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  7 місяців тому +2

      Simsonn are AliExpress specials so I'd stay well clear, Moza sees to be pretty decent these days but were very poor at launch... Normally I'd recommend Fanatec at that price point but they are a bit up in the air right now.

    • @HierIsJesse
      @HierIsJesse 7 місяців тому

      @@KarlGosling Thanks for your reply :)
      The reviews on youtube and people on reddit make it seem Simsonn pedals are very promising. And I have personally have only had good experiences with AliExpress (gameboy mods) so the fact that that's where they're from isn't really an issue for me.
      The moza are interesting but seem a bit soft on the brake even with the extra kit.
      I was looking at Fanatec but yeah you're right, quite high in prices.

    • @MrSantiago485
      @MrSantiago485 5 місяців тому

      @@HierIsJesse I don't know if you already made your purchase but I have simjack pro pedals they're very similar to the simsonn pros, they're a good pedal set at that price point. Sim racing corner has done reviews on simsonn and simjack pedals and he's recommended them. Just because it's on aliexpress doesn't mean its bad it depends on the seller, speaking from personal experience purchasing from the simsonn store I had a button plate where the lighting for some buttons wasn't working so I messaged the seller and he sent me new buttons.

  • @ianmelville4071
    @ianmelville4071 8 місяців тому

    I've been watching your cockpit vids and i'd like to know how tall you are. I'm seriously considering getting into sim racing but i'm 6' 4'' and i've never even sat in one to judge the size. Oh and your expertise has been invaluable so you have another sub.

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  8 місяців тому

      I'm 6ft exactly mate, at your height you will have no problems with most cockpits bar maybe the Playseat Challenge as it has little adjustment.
      Thanks mate glad you find my waffle useful! 😃

  • @waylin778
    @waylin778 7 місяців тому +1

    Great review! Can you explain the differences between the gt omega dd-x and the next level racing stand dd? Thanks

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  7 місяців тому +1

      Very little bar price, I'd go DD-X.

    • @waylin778
      @waylin778 7 місяців тому

      Thanks for the advice!

  • @Joh146
    @Joh146 6 місяців тому +1

    I´m using the GT Omega Apex since a few months with the DD Pro 8nm and the CSL pedals with LC. I does it´s job really well. The biggest issue of this new wheel stand for me is it is not foldable anymore. I´s m sharing the place for the wheel stand and the monitor with my wife´s place for her home office, so the option to fold the wheel stand is very usable for me.

  • @Ty-er5ok
    @Ty-er5ok 7 місяців тому +1

    New subscriber, thanks for the video. Question: I just watched your older videos on the Nextlevel 2.0 and DD and recall you having a real problem with the shifter hitting your chair on the 2.0. Did you ever test that with the GT Omega?
    Could use some advice too: I JUST got into sim racing and bought a used Logitech G29 for PS5 for $100 US. Works fine, but I know for sure I will want a DD in a few months, no immediate rush.
    I have to have a stand due to space limitations. And I want it to be able handle an entry level DD at a minimum, which is why I came to your videos.
    Thanks to your videos, I'm down to the NextLevel DD or the GT Omega DDX. Price clearly better on the Omega, but they appear to be on pre-order only at this point.
    your thought would be appreciated.
    Tr

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  7 місяців тому +1

      As you can see the shifter mount is no where near my chair with the DD-X, I would choose this mate.

    • @Ty-er5ok
      @Ty-er5ok 6 місяців тому

      @@KarlGosling Cool, thanks Karl! FYI: You mentioned a problem if using a powerful DD with this or any wheel stand due to not having as much weight on it. 


      Well, I think I have a solution, which is what I am doing now with my folding tv-tray setup. My G29 was bouncing all over the place due to no weight holding it down.
      My solution was to put some weight on top. At first, I just used some coffee table books and it worked - no wobble or bounce.
      

To improve on that, I bought some five-pound free weights off Amazon. I put five on top to keep my DIY wheel stand steady. 


      For the peddles, I put the whole rig on an old large bath mat. I folded the end where the peddles are over and tucked the nose into the pocket I created. I thnk put 7.5 pounds of weight to either side and one five pound weight on the front, just in front of the brake peddle. I secured that with some blue painters tape so that it can be easily undone.


      Overall, it works well, but doesn’t exactly look great. Also, I doubt it will work if/when I upgrade, which is why I am looking at the wheel stands.
      

That being said, I will probably use my weight method with the wheel stand for added stability. What do you think?

    • @skolvikings5263
      @skolvikings5263 2 місяці тому

      Same price with shipping

  • @RDR1456
    @RDR1456 2 місяці тому +1

    This or the Playseat Challenge mate?

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  2 місяці тому

      GT Omega Sprint www.gtomega.com/discount/GTO5?rfsn=4405211.88b36&Karl

  • @VhanaOfficial
    @VhanaOfficial 7 місяців тому

    Good review mate, whats the weight like for this stand? I cant see it on the website

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  6 місяців тому

      It's certainly not heavy (being only half a cockpit) so you'll have no trouble moving it around.

    • @VhanaOfficial
      @VhanaOfficial 6 місяців тому

      @@KarlGosling Gotcha. So I'm trying to decide between this and the Omega Apex - Will need to carry it up and down stairs once a week or so, what would you go for? (For context, will probably never go past a 8nm base and likely getting TLCM pedals next)

  • @richard_pell
    @richard_pell 7 місяців тому

    Hello. New sub here going down the rabbit hole of sim racing equipment. Would this stand be suitable for R9 wheel base and CRP Pedals or would you recommend something else? Thank you

  • @cfc3972
    @cfc3972 7 місяців тому

    great review karl , i have the apex wheel stand and seat frame which is very solid , i dont really see the difference to the DD-X and the Apex apart from the apex is foldable so i dont think the DD-X would be a upgrade

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  7 місяців тому

      It's more solid than the Apex, both the pedal tray and the uprights... but your next upgrade would be something like the Prime lite IMO, this would not be a big enough leap.

  • @tesh88
    @tesh88 8 місяців тому

    Great video. Why do you think this one doesn't fold away like the apex?

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  8 місяців тому

      Because it wasn't designed to, it's fixed.

    • @Shumanator94
      @Shumanator94 7 місяців тому

      Stand that fold inherently are less rigid and wobble a lot around the folding mechanism. This being fixed means it can handle more force and not wobble or shake when driving.

  • @Rrr000yyY
    @Rrr000yyY 7 місяців тому +1

    Loved this review. Saw the stand on Jardier's channel and his positivity made me think it might be good as a replacement for my Playseat Challenge. However after watching this I realized it would be a downgrade rather than an upgrade so I'm sticking with my original plan of going for a Playseat Trophy.
    And yes a full fledged rig is an option but that's quite a bit more expensive (with seat) and I'm not ready yet to make that investment.

    • @slavplaysgames
      @slavplaysgames 7 місяців тому

      why not get an apex wheel stand and seat addon or the art cockpit ? playseat is literally chinese crap .

    • @Rrr000yyY
      @Rrr000yyY 7 місяців тому

      @@slavplaysgames Because the apex wheel stand will suffer from the same issues highlighted in the video with this wheel stand, namely a lack of rigidity. But maybe with the seat addition that's not as much of an issue so I'll have a look.

    • @slavplaysgames
      @slavplaysgames 7 місяців тому

      @@Rrr000yyY i got the apex stand since making this comment and for i can see it be completely good up to 5 nm after that ofc i personally will get a aluminium rig from simcube in 2 years but for next 2 years and until i upgrade to a moza r5 it will serve great .Everything is very sturdy and to tip it on side you really have to push it's 16 kg i use a plastic pool chair atm as im not in my country and i tie it to the stand w shoelaces and that things sturdy and pretty decent but ill upgrade it to a seat in few months

    • @slavplaysgames
      @slavplaysgames 7 місяців тому

      also idk what wheel you have but if you have a wheel over 5nm you should 100% get an aluminium rig simcube has great ones in europe atleast for like 700 w seat

  • @Eskoxo
    @Eskoxo 8 місяців тому

    wish someone tried to be different like make aluminum profile wheel stand that could be possible to upgrade

    • @MrKlawUK
      @MrKlawUK 8 місяців тому

      I think everyone gets obsessed with folding when lots of these aren’t actually folded in real life as too heavy etc. Agree a short profile rig (so

    • @MalcomMcLeod
      @MalcomMcLeod 8 місяців тому +1

      Well SimLab tried but Karl wasn't a huge fan if I recalled.

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  8 місяців тому

      Yeah the SimLab one is horrible, ally profile is not appropriate for this application unless it's predrilled with bespoke brackets to keep it square as you assemble it... plus it wasn't upgradeable.

  • @Okami1995
    @Okami1995 4 місяці тому

    does this have a plate for shifter and handbrake?

  • @niko6824
    @niko6824 5 місяців тому

    Do you prefer this over the next level racing dd wheel stand?

  • @Gramsci89
    @Gramsci89 7 місяців тому

    you gonna do a pimax crystal light review?

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  7 місяців тому +1

      If they offer yeah sure.

  • @MrOliverYTGamingandGiveaways
    @MrOliverYTGamingandGiveaways 8 місяців тому +2

    haha that’s why you told me to wait for a bit longer instead of getting the GT Omega Apex! 😅
    Do you need to buy any extra screws or mounts to mount the fanatec dd csl wheelbase / pedals?
    And do you think this is worth the higher price? (compared to GT Omega apex)
    Thanks a lot, amazing videos as always!

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  8 місяців тому

      Exactly mate! lol
      All bolted straight on for me, came with loads of mounting bolts.
      Yes defo worth the money if you don't need it to fold away.

    • @MrOliverYTGamingandGiveaways
      @MrOliverYTGamingandGiveaways 8 місяців тому

      @@KarlGosling sounds great! 😆 I’ll get this then

  • @SidVish
    @SidVish 7 місяців тому +1

    I use an armchair with my stand - works great.

  • @cryo_vL
    @cryo_vL 4 місяці тому

    Kinda miss the actual test in a review. Thank you

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  4 місяці тому +1

      Then you should have watched the whole video, it's there.

    • @cryo_vL
      @cryo_vL 4 місяці тому

      @@KarlGosling I truly must have missed it! 17:30 Thanks

  • @sermerlin1
    @sermerlin1 8 місяців тому +3

    hahahah yep that's why I didn't order that chair tray when they made one for GT omega Apex wheel stand.
    What I actually did is I tie around the bottom 2 feet of the wheel stand and around 2 of the wheels of the chair. So that way when I'm braking it's not lifting up, but again I'm not braking with a heavy load cell it's just measly G29 pedals (albeit I increased dead zone to about 51%, just where the pedal touches that rubber inside the pedal and that's where my starting zone is for braking and then I mash as hard as I can for 100%, kind of "imitating" load cell and pressure braking, much better then for what it is as default).
    But in any case I don't think any wheel stand no matter how robust is ready and capable for a DD. Even G29 is able to swing it to the side miniscule when I need to flick that wheel so fast and then flick back (where it starts to fight as I start searching for grip), let alone a DD running 5 or 8 nm.
    Wheel stand needs to be weighted down by converting it into cock pit with their upgrade kit to utilize those powerful wheels and pedals.
    I just hope APEX will be able to stand logitech G pro wheels.

  • @robertcarr4172
    @robertcarr4172 8 місяців тому +1

    Very cool speakers

  • @pieroroccaysj
    @pieroroccaysj 27 днів тому

    That office chair is super basic and has a lot of flex so I'm not surprised by the movement on braking. A higher end chair won't have this issue, my main office chair is rock solid, nor would a very simple folding chair that doesn't distribute your weight.

  • @emirkaya3914
    @emirkaya3914 6 місяців тому

    The video I've been looking for for days. I wish we met earlier. Thx Karl 👍

  • @DiscoveryDarks
    @DiscoveryDarks 5 місяців тому

    that computer chair is done bud.

  • @Em-7Add11
    @Em-7Add11 7 місяців тому +1

    I'd always suggest to someone to get a rig that you can physically sit on to really weigh it down. if its not fixed to anything, youre gonna rock it sideways when you get into tankslapper.

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  7 місяців тому

      Yeah wheel stands are really only for those that need them... like foldable rigs also.

    • @lor7780
      @lor7780 7 місяців тому

      the probnlem is that not everyone has the space for rigs

    • @Em-7Add11
      @Em-7Add11 7 місяців тому

      @@lor7780 well that's their problem.

    • @lor7780
      @lor7780 7 місяців тому +1

      @@Em-7Add11 what do you mean that's the entire point of these yet you are saying it's better to just get a rig.

    • @Em-7Add11
      @Em-7Add11 7 місяців тому

      @@lor7780 not my problem.

  • @Shumanator94
    @Shumanator94 7 місяців тому

    Still waiting on the US release lol

  • @Tempin
    @Tempin 8 місяців тому +1

    Nice one

  • @TheMicj38
    @TheMicj38 8 місяців тому

    A price hike of nearly 25%. Ouch!!

    • @KarlGosling
      @KarlGosling  8 місяців тому

      It was an error on my brief (I'm guessing someone forgot to add tax), this was never supposed to be the same price as the Apex which makes sense.

  • @Dyslexiccarrot
    @Dyslexiccarrot 8 місяців тому +1

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  • @TrueBlade-1889
    @TrueBlade-1889 7 місяців тому +2

    Beware the shifter mount. It will destroy your knee... just a matter of time.
    Terrible design. Avoid it.
    The Next Level 2 is 3 inches wider.
    I had to chuck the bracket away and create my own using steel brackets/wood... and a shifter stand... for another 80 quid.