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  • Опубліковано 27 вер 2024

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  • @singncarpenter6270
    @singncarpenter6270 3 роки тому +82

    Every time I back into a bush like he was doing in the first game, I end up hitting the reverse button when I mean to go forward and drive out in front of the enemies because I'm a muppet.

    • @mitch40aw
      @mitch40aw 3 роки тому +7

      Me too 😂

    • @Cavush
      @Cavush 3 роки тому +2

      Same thing happens to me with the tier 9 WT :D

    • @bikedoc4145
      @bikedoc4145 3 роки тому +1

      Yup me also lol

    • @Woodeq
      @Woodeq 3 роки тому

      :D

  • @Disarray91
    @Disarray91 3 роки тому +8

    I bought the Guard based on this video, and I'm loving it so far! I've played maybe 5 matches, and have had some fantastic (for me) games in it.

  • @SilentScreamer413
    @SilentScreamer413 3 роки тому +8

    This is my favorite tier 8 soviet med, maybe even my favorite tier 8 medium all together. However it's not noob friendly. Many will say the T-44-100 is a better machine but I personally prefer this one as I like high alpha tanks.

  • @ericandi
    @ericandi 3 роки тому +6

    I always train my crews for view range and camo before repairs.

    • @Random_Banshee
      @Random_Banshee 3 роки тому +1

      Same, with how things currently play, you either have a repkit ready for when you make a mistake, or you‘re dead anyways. Heck, i even sometimes train the mobility stuff before repairs just cause you gain so much versatility and can outright avoid bad situations much easier. Plus, view range and camo are the only skills that are essential throughout the whole match, from start to finish and no matter what situation

    • @unbekannternr.1353
      @unbekannternr.1353 3 роки тому

      Yes, and i like my commanders to have 'Jack of all Trades' to reduce stun intensity.

    • @GenoGENOVA
      @GenoGENOVA 3 роки тому +1

      @@unbekannternr.1353 does it really reduce stun intensity Jack of all trades ? I didn't know about that and by 50 percent ?

    • @unbekannternr.1353
      @unbekannternr.1353 3 роки тому +1

      @@GenoGENOVA No kidding, read the rules...nobody skills it, they go for 6th sense wich i consider useless...

    • @unbekannternr.1353
      @unbekannternr.1353 3 роки тому

      @@Random_Banshee Yessir, my KV-2 is faster because of 'Offroad Driving' wich is much cheaper than the turbo.

  • @alowishusdavander7804
    @alowishusdavander7804 3 роки тому +9

    Claus - the side armor isnt bad...overmatch on 45mm needs a gun at least 135mm caliber or bigger. Not too many of those, so for all 100, 122, & 128 - just angle!! ;)

  • @drattdarkstar
    @drattdarkstar 3 роки тому +2

    I think that Tank Encyclopedia has documentation for the Object 416 tactics. It would work for all the rear mounted mediums. The Object was suppose to be a recon/support tank. Since it can't just gun depression, they came up with the idea that you sit inside a dip, then you drive up the back bank, using gun elevation, showing only your turret, while the front bank hides the hull.

  • @MS-jc9sy
    @MS-jc9sy 3 роки тому +12

    Once again its hard to pull off these kinds of games without a significant muppet factor. The Tiger I, the Tiger P and both VK's in the first battle played like bots...on the same flank. Of course they made for a great laugh bc you had to know they would play that way. Way to go Guard player!

  • @razvananghel7492
    @razvananghel7492 3 роки тому +3

    Just bought this tank with bonds. Im going the K91 line on the russian mediums (yes i know... im a horrible man but hey.. if you cant beat them join them) and i didnt have a crew trainer. Im at the A43 now and i intend to carry this crew all the way to the end so when i get to tier10 ill have a perfect crew. Hopefully. So after watching Claus`s great series about bond tanks i decided to get the STG. So far so good, the tank is really really good

  • @Spardin
    @Spardin 3 роки тому +12

    videos are so useful
    i have enough to buy a tank now and no idea what to go for
    the cutting through the bullshit is much needed in tank reviews

  • @jonathanperry8331
    @jonathanperry8331 3 роки тому +9

    Claus it's been a while since a POV video. Looking forward to one

  • @average149
    @average149 Рік тому

    Great review, was really done from the perspective of a player weighing up it as a 'go to' premium option. Thank you

  • @erkanakdgn
    @erkanakdgn 3 роки тому +2

    Tchernobyl in a Soviet tank... btw who else detected double Claus action around @6:18?

  • @Tipp_Of_The_Mitt
    @Tipp_Of_The_Mitt 3 роки тому +10

    LOL Popping up like Gophers.

  • @jamesavery3559
    @jamesavery3559 3 роки тому +1

    thank you very much, guess this is why i don't drive the type 59, norm ammo under 190.

  • @Straswa
    @Straswa 3 роки тому +1

    Nice vid Claus! I got the Guard for bonds, and rather like it. Need to play it more, leveling my Object 416 crew on it.

  • @JCG0001
    @JCG0001 3 роки тому +1

    1st game all 3 enemy artillery ignore the stg guard spotted a dozen times and on the same side of map until the end of the match, where they miss every shot at him at close range....me not getting spotted the entire game in my stg guard but still taking blind shots from enemy artillery, or dying instantly to all 3 artillery the moment I'm spotted. Glad the age of 2 minute 6 clicker games is over with sound detection. 2ed game, stg guard is played aggressively as close range brawler support how it's not supposed to be played in tier 9 match and player is rewarded with a great game again...me taking multiple critical damages after getting hit with jagtiger from stupid play right at start. Claus making another amusing video for a living and laughing it up. What have we learned here?

    • @GenericUserName443
      @GenericUserName443 2 роки тому

      That he either was incredibly lucky, you were incredibly unlucky or he only showed the gameplay where it went good and not "insert stuff that happened to you".

  • @SAMax2268
    @SAMax2268 3 роки тому +2

    On WoT Console this tanks is called “Guardian STG” 🤣😂

  • @ericandi
    @ericandi 3 роки тому

    I make a lot les credits whenever I play heavy tanks but mediums make a lot more credits because I’m usually fighting others Meds on the medium flank or shooting heavies in the sides after flanking. Of course, sometimes on some maps you end up fighting’s heavies heads on while playing mediums. However when I play heavies, I’m almost always facing heavies with their lower players hidden and I have to shoot gold to pen them.

  • @poolpulse3447
    @poolpulse3447 3 роки тому +1

    Hey Claus... UA-cam did NOT notify me of your posting. Every Day before today.. No Problem, Watch Claus before 830 AM EST.. Today..nothing.!!!

  • @timmcgreal3531
    @timmcgreal3531 3 роки тому

    I already had the Guard from years ago and won another one this past X-mas in a loot box! Nice tank!

  • @PsychoKern
    @PsychoKern 3 роки тому +1

    Beautiful tank...I have the regular STG, same thing really...

  • @Zt3v3
    @Zt3v3 3 роки тому

    I don't like rear mounted turrets. I mean at least it has a turret, but still, they make it hard to play imho.

  • @4thHorseman
    @4thHorseman 3 роки тому

    For better survivability I use modified configuration because an engine is on the front and this tank burning too often.

  • @laxanoyla
    @laxanoyla 3 роки тому +1

    I bought this tank but I absolutely hate it. I haven't played it after the buff.

  • @sevenus82
    @sevenus82 3 роки тому +1

    I have with for years and hate it from the day one. Yes, now it is buffed but there are sooooo many better tier VIII prwmium mediums in this game.
    If I want to play TD style, I'll take the TD. Not the medium tank with no gun depression.

    • @geerliglecluse5297
      @geerliglecluse5297 3 роки тому +1

      I have an STG Guard too, and it's mainly gathering dust in my garage for exactly the reasons you mention. Just buy a much better premium tank for Euros, Dollars or whatever and spend the bonds on improved equipment. These replays are highlights. In reality an average player does 1000 to 1500 damage in a reasonable game with this thing. More is just lucky for 90% of the STG players. The buffs are nice cause better than nothing, but insignificant for battlefield performance.

    • @pewpewpewpew7467
      @pewpewpewpew7467 3 роки тому

      i think that mediocre players who understand cammo and bush mechanics (like me) do well in the Guard. If you have talent for more mobile and aggressive play the Guard might indeed not be the best choice.

    • @sevenus82
      @sevenus82 3 роки тому +1

      @@pewpewpewpew7467 It's not avout that. I just don't see the point of playing the Guard. If I want that playstyle, I'll play SU-130 and do much more from the same positions.
      For me, mediums should not be played like TDs unless you have to because of game development. But not by default.

  • @favorius
    @favorius Рік тому

    How on earth all his shots go dead centre? I fail to hit lower plates at close ranges. Shells go anywhere but the center.

  • @99beowulf99
    @99beowulf99 3 роки тому

    This tank is available to buy in the Russian Tech tree, you don't need to spend bonds for it (it is the STG)

  • @averilldalton3360
    @averilldalton3360 3 роки тому

    16:22 .... I who own this tank... 👀 ....wow i got to try it again like this.

  • @TonyZilincik
    @TonyZilincik 2 роки тому

    Makin' me laugh, Claus! THANKS!

  • @JaimeWulf
    @JaimeWulf 3 роки тому

    Although your recommendation makes sense I hate rear turreted tanks and will not get it but, TY...

  • @happisakshappiplace.6588
    @happisakshappiplace.6588 3 роки тому

    Hahah, great video, i got 8k bonds now. I'm buy get the Guard. This video sealed it for me. :)

  • @Howardhandupme
    @Howardhandupme 3 роки тому

    If I see a tank, I don't look at any in game stats. I go to blitzstars and look at winrate. Good tanks have good win rates

  • @hilmansudirman9857
    @hilmansudirman9857 3 роки тому

    Yeah, pretty much. This is why I avoid buying german premium above Tier 7 because the russian bias is too strong on high tier towards any german or any non-russian accurate gun premium tank. But somehow the russian accuracy is quite generous toward US and UK tanks. Probably because the lend lease program during the great patriotic war. But not so much on the other allied tank like France and the PRC one.,

  • @F3rraryX
    @F3rraryX 3 роки тому

    Dude, i ve been whatching u for a while now...saying that the Leopard would miss8 out of 10 is ridiculous,Don t know what equipment or skills u have on the Leopard, but that tank is one of the best snipers in the game!

  • @gfrey5711
    @gfrey5711 3 роки тому

    Now I must get Guard, Yuri will never nerf it!

  • @Tnero-nt7ne
    @Tnero-nt7ne 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the fun.In that Times we need it.

  • @chewbaccassecretlover12444
    @chewbaccassecretlover12444 3 роки тому

    Is6 b got pen buff

  • @eddiefreewing6731
    @eddiefreewing6731 3 роки тому

    What... 5 min garage review... What have you done with the real Claus, I want my Claus back.

  • @seanc8054
    @seanc8054 3 роки тому +1

    this guy on my team would rushed the hill and got shit on and died in 8 seconds, i'm pretty sure my whole account is cursed, ive been trying everything to win, my total damage has gone up 20 points (out of 28,000+ battles) but my win ratio keeps going down, so i barely play anymore tbh, every time i log in i just get this feeling "ima click battle, every shot will go high or low, or bounce, my team will melt, or i'll do amazing and still get a loss" it's super depressing watch the youtube guys, none of what i see them do works for me, literally none of it. guy takes his batchat across the swamp to proxy the meds on the hill on whatever map that is, does 7k dmg or something, that cant happen for me , the middle would be full of other tanks and you die, and yet they do these things over and over, i couldnt push the hill like the guy in this video, they just push around and kill you, OR there is 3 unicums with borrasqes already on the hill shooting you when you get there
    i dunno , it's like i'm playing a different game, ill buy the guard and put my amazing 10 year old russian medium crew in it and i'll never hit anything, my account has been locked into bad rng mode i really am starting to think it's just that way

  • @Morteza1313
    @Morteza1313 3 роки тому

    I got this mine.
    1.good sniper
    2.good damge for medium
    So its just ok

  • @franciscourbinaalvarado8686
    @franciscourbinaalvarado8686 3 роки тому +1

    Listing tanks with good sigma: Russian tanks, done
    Listing tanks with terrible sigma: all tanks aiming at a russina tank, done.

  • @redred351
    @redred351 3 роки тому

    Thanks Claus i bought it and it plays well for me

  • @lifeisfairitkillseveryone536
    @lifeisfairitkillseveryone536 3 роки тому +2

    Good point about getting a tank that has a good regular ammo to save money. To that point, why would you put food in a slot, especially giving up a fire extinguisher? 10,000 credits lost every battle, and god forbid you get lit up!

    • @shmekelfreckles8157
      @shmekelfreckles8157 3 роки тому

      Food helps big time. And nobody pays 10k for food, you buy on discount in bulks. Even if you do buy food every battle it's not gonna hurt too much at all.

    • @test_nametest_surname1794
      @test_nametest_surname1794 3 роки тому

      @@shmekelfreckles8157 so how much you pay for food then? 😁

    • @shmekelfreckles8157
      @shmekelfreckles8157 3 роки тому

      @@test_nametest_surname1794 5к? And does it matter when you’re making 100k per game?

  • @z54964380
    @z54964380 3 роки тому

    19:37 nah this kind of guy either dies within the first 2 mins of the battle or pulls shit off like this game, most of the time is the former I know it cuz I play like he does, being super aggressive and taking excessive risks

  • @CBF922
    @CBF922 3 роки тому +1

    BOOM BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @girishshenoy7406
    @girishshenoy7406 3 роки тому +1

    Firsttttt
    Btw claus I have 7.6 k bonds
    This video would help me a lot

  • @reh3ddoes
    @reh3ddoes 3 роки тому

    16:30 Don't you get more XP for damaging/killing higher tier tanks? I always thought the XP and credits you earner were based on the tier of tank you damage/kill based on your own tier. In a tier 8 you would receive more XP and credits damaging/killing tier 9s and 10s than you would against tier 6s and 7s. Am I right or wrong?

  • @jonih3274
    @jonih3274 3 роки тому +1

    My favorite tank! :)

  • @rudesandelius7343
    @rudesandelius7343 3 роки тому

    the muppet factor haha

  • @Fabio-wc6rv
    @Fabio-wc6rv 2 роки тому

    totally true they say leopard is amazing...i cant hit shit with him most of the games...game is all manipulated is not about skill and stats anymore

  • @MrLockwood97
    @MrLockwood97 3 роки тому

    I’ve just realised. I have this tank and I play it so badly!

  • @cotton_head3216
    @cotton_head3216 3 роки тому

    The firepower statistics in the garage for the Guard show the average damage as 390 alpha. Noting your comments where you claim that Wargaming never use the term 'average', well, here it is! 1:50 in your video.

  • @PainX187
    @PainX187 3 роки тому

    when i watch the first game i cannot help but think why is no one shooting him he has sat in that bush what 5 times now shoot the bush how does no one ever get blind fired in these situations most bushes have 1-2 uses for me then they get pelted with rounds

    • @castlebravoli7
      @castlebravoli7 3 роки тому

      If you filter for great games on the upload sites you're a lot more likely to see games where the enemy team makes bad mistakes; there's usually an element of enemy muppetry in great games. Not to take away from the players who have them--you still have to be good to cash in when you get that kind of opportunity--but games where the enemy team does smart things like blind fire obvious sniping bushes don't usually end up with eye-popping damage and spotting numbers for one player.

    • @FrankensteinDZWOT
      @FrankensteinDZWOT 3 роки тому

      Most of those players were wg bots i bet he was playing at night not a lot of players

  • @AbsSolut
    @AbsSolut 3 роки тому

    The fact info was redunkolus.

  • @ambientlight3876
    @ambientlight3876 3 роки тому

    'Checks list on bonds tanks to pick up...'

  • @jamessweet5341
    @jamessweet5341 3 роки тому

    I miss the Muffin Man song.

  • @StevenAndrews
    @StevenAndrews 3 роки тому

    Every time I try the store it’s unavailable.

    • @pewpewpewpew7467
      @pewpewpewpew7467 3 роки тому

      It is in the bond store, and it has been there for the last year or longer. Unlike some other bond tanks I indeed never see this tank in the 'normal' store where you have to pay gold or real money.

  • @sergeroy2041
    @sergeroy2041 3 роки тому

    I would not buy the Guard when you can buy the STG for gold. they are the same tank and gold you can buy.

  • @peterklein8355
    @peterklein8355 3 роки тому

    good stuff

  • @mrbill8763
    @mrbill8763 3 роки тому

    I have played over 600 games in this tank and no. Absolutely not. It is not worth paying bonds for it.

  • @crazytrain2254
    @crazytrain2254 2 роки тому

    Hey Claus! Justin Trudeau here. Do you think I can come over and play tanks in your basement. Would appreciate if you didn’t tell anyone where I was.
    We can go get boosters together.
    Honk! “Omg I just pooped!”

  • @gord7025
    @gord7025 3 роки тому

    what is the dispersion? 0.Russian

  • @allensanders5535
    @allensanders5535 3 роки тому

    you own it but you show somebody else's replay what's up with that

    • @ClausKellerman
      @ClausKellerman  3 роки тому +2

      so many tanks. so little time!

    • @allensanders5535
      @allensanders5535 3 роки тому

      @@ClausKellerman know what you mean just pulling your leg a little.

  • @naramsinlazar2773
    @naramsinlazar2773 3 роки тому

    u have stg no fun for u

  • @ericandi
    @ericandi 3 роки тому

    I really think you are wrong about how dispersion works. Tanks have different dispersions (size of fully aimed sim circled) but every tank has the exact same variability (RNG) within whatever fully aimed aim circled they have. The formulae for RNG is the exact same for every tank. It’s just a misperception that same tanks have less RNG variability and some have worse. That’s simply not true.

    • @FrankensteinDZWOT
      @FrankensteinDZWOT 3 роки тому +3

      Who are you ? Wg?

    • @MrMeeHigh1
      @MrMeeHigh1 3 роки тому +1

      Players with thousands of games felt some guns hit more consistent than others. Did you write the code for hits?

    • @pewpewpewpew7467
      @pewpewpewpew7467 3 роки тому

      There is indeed no proof that this is true, but Claus has a sort of conspiracy theory about it which has followers. I'm agnostic in this respect.

  • @JackKrei
    @JackKrei 3 роки тому

    It's Soviet, it's WOT, duh.

  • @bromao
    @bromao 3 роки тому

    Only you....LoL

  • @salty4496
    @salty4496 3 роки тому

    :)

  • @legendarytwister3656
    @legendarytwister3656 3 роки тому

    third

  • @legendarytwister3656
    @legendarytwister3656 3 роки тому

    fourth

  • @harrypotterisgayful
    @harrypotterisgayful 3 роки тому

    Claus you should do other games to your commentary is hilarious.

  • @anthonyware4033
    @anthonyware4033 3 роки тому +16

    I like the guard, you have to play it like a TD.

    • @microsoftword213
      @microsoftword213 3 роки тому +3

      I have a mark of excellence in the guard playing as a snapshotter against the heavies. Also can be used as sniper, it is versitile

  • @fixt100
    @fixt100 3 роки тому +12

    this tank shines when hull down and driven in reverse.(turret rotates 360deg)

    • @ksuma715
      @ksuma715 3 роки тому +3

      Rotate 360 means it facing forward again lol

    • @ei2852
      @ei2852 3 роки тому

      @@ksuma715 that wasn't the point

  • @arsildocangu
    @arsildocangu 3 роки тому +7

    Sigma Is such a fundamental factor it's Crazy, i have my Lansen C, which i love, but damn that gun Is trolling me so much

    • @rorybax3287
      @rorybax3287 3 роки тому +1

      My worst one was the Centurion 1. Good luck hitting anything over 250m with your 0.32 Acc there. It was just infuriating watching the shots corkscrew all over the place. The charioteer was gives me grief with it's sigma, even with improved aiming equipped.

    • @Lupi33z
      @Lupi33z 3 роки тому

      Super Hellcat, good sigma, T25/2, baaad sigma...

    • @descartes2404
      @descartes2404 3 роки тому

      @@rorybax3287 My WT pz IV can troll me so hard. One match I experienced that kind of shitty dispersion 10 shots consecutively. I go so frustrated that I decide to just screw it and shot HE only

  • @darkstar8098
    @darkstar8098 3 роки тому +3

    rnjesus arty ignore him the game only on the end they hit again and again. what we all need more muppets on the enemy team please

  • @crazytrain2254
    @crazytrain2254 3 роки тому +1

    Is2 always hits outside edge of circle. I swear a Kv2 is better!

  • @TheGantus
    @TheGantus 2 роки тому +1

    A year has passed, how good is it now? Do WG changed the Sigma?

    • @Bohdisattva326
      @Bohdisattva326 Рік тому

      I just got it last night. Kellar man is right about he shells. They’re like lasers. I’m having fun in FL

  • @henryvaneyk3769
    @henryvaneyk3769 3 роки тому +1

    Hi Claus. Is it better to get bond equipment or tanks? I have about 8200 bonds.

    • @unbekannternr.1353
      @unbekannternr.1353 3 роки тому

      Tanks will earn credits, bond equippment makes tanks more stronk.

  • @Fabio-wc6rv
    @Fabio-wc6rv 2 роки тому

    i gonna buy it im agressive but with poor rigged manipulated rng and i will see to tell it later if the tank is really acurate or is all about the rng wg programs to each player

  • @cvarcic
    @cvarcic 3 роки тому +1

    Worth it every bond!

  • @legendarytwister3656
    @legendarytwister3656 3 роки тому +1

    I love that laugh

  • @numbmind120
    @numbmind120 3 роки тому +1

    He's stunned again!

  • @AndrewArndts
    @AndrewArndts 3 роки тому +1

    here is to hope that Claus can do a review of all the battle pass beasties. if you already have then playlist them

    • @cloraformsgood5340
      @cloraformsgood5340 3 роки тому

      Same , I'm thinking of patriot but maybe this ?
      Gunna wait to see his other reviews

  • @Azuzu_Komagome
    @Azuzu_Komagome 3 роки тому

    Can u do the pz 58 mutz next?

  • @robertflint4115
    @robertflint4115 3 роки тому

    I like mine.. Good gun and makes credits. Also good crew trainer for my 430 and 430U crews. Another good and informative video by the King Kellerman...Rock on man.

  • @deividassimkus9725
    @deividassimkus9725 3 роки тому

    yes that thing whit german guns is strange when russia gun heaw .38 dispersion and hit more acuratly than german .27 :D and rusian shells dont disaper in air :D

  • @mrjohnnybond
    @mrjohnnybond 3 роки тому

    As a french person I can say I miss Pierre and all the other racist personas! Shilling for WG is much less entertaining.

  • @cloraformsgood5340
    @cloraformsgood5340 3 роки тому

    I had trouble with this on the test server, I was playing it completey wrong.
    Thanks 👍

  • @amirrezarahimii
    @amirrezarahimii 3 роки тому

    Got it and 3rd marked it
    Worth evry single bond ive payed for it

  • @GigelGaming
    @GigelGaming 3 роки тому

    4:15 Me when i bounce a german TD using HEAT

  • @Kord5
    @Kord5 3 роки тому

    My first bond tank and I didn’t regret that. I think that's a big word.

  • @crazytrain2254
    @crazytrain2254 3 роки тому

    My premiums have 180 pen. Meta much?

  • @steveperuski5547
    @steveperuski5547 3 роки тому

    It’s always fun with a half competent team,

  • @jeffbullock1173
    @jeffbullock1173 3 роки тому

    same as obj 416 and it doesn't cost bonds

  • @bxndxlx4150
    @bxndxlx4150 3 роки тому

    Gardista is da best in this competition.

  • @aaizibrahim2469
    @aaizibrahim2469 3 роки тому

    i am doing fine claus. how is your day?

  • @superkupanemo7357
    @superkupanemo7357 3 роки тому

    Great vid and commentary, as always!
    For the aim, I suspect that there is a hidden statistic that distributes hit chance all over that aiming circle (and that means that aiming inside the circle is not completely random). It would be easy to check, actually, but IDC, I'm just having fun.
    Have a nice day Claus!

    • @shmekelfreckles8157
      @shmekelfreckles8157 3 роки тому

      There are hidden stats that you can easily see: dispersion on the move, dispersion when turning the tank, dispersion after turning the turret.

  • @bikedoc4145
    @bikedoc4145 3 роки тому

    How funny arta was coming out of the wood work at end marching 1 by 1 to their doom 🤣

  • @legendarytwister3656
    @legendarytwister3656 3 роки тому

    sorry

    • @Straswa
      @Straswa 3 роки тому

      Cut the spam, please.

  • @saintsrow2631
    @saintsrow2631 3 роки тому

    Little higher pen would be nice on guard.or even better more view range. I have almost 60% wr with it. Love it. Balanced tonk. Ap is little slow for long range snipe. Apcr is great tough.. 😎