Was the Z-SHOT Efren’s Best Option?
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- Dr. Dave demonstrates alternative options for the famous two-rail-kick Z shot executed by Efren "Bata" "The Magician" Reyes in one of the greatest matches of all time against Earl "The Pearl" Strickland.
Many people have commented about the ball positions being off, but all the options were still available to Efren. See my "Why EFREN’S Z-SHOT Is So Legendary, and Bending-Kick Follow-Up" video:
• Why EFREN’S Z-SHOT is ...
Contents:
0:00 - Intro
1:37 - Bending Kick
3:34 - Massé Kick
6:27 - Kick Off End Rail
7:14 - Two-Rail Kick
8:33 - Jump Shot
9:48 - Intentional Foul
11:09 - Wrap Up
NOTE - My table is the same size (regulation 9' table) as the Efren table, but my camera view was different which changes the perspective of things. I tried to match the ball layout a well as I could with the given camera angles and diamond lines. I might have been off a little, but not a lot. Regardless, I think all the options I presented were still available to Efren.
Supporting Resources:
- GREATEST POOL MATCH of All Time - Reyes vs. Strickland - with the Famous Z-Shot: • GREATEST POOL MATCH of...
- TOP 10 EFREN REYES FAMOUS SHOTS ... And How to Shoot Them: • TOP 10 EFREN REYES FAM...
- midpoint parallel-shift two-rail kicking system: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/b...
- 12 Ways to AIM WITH A POOL CUE: • 12 Ways to AIM WITH A ...
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*NOTE:*
Many people have commented about the ball positions being off, but all the options were still available to Efren. See my *"Why EFREN’S Z-SHOT Is So Legendary, and Bending-Kick Follow-Up"* video:
ua-cam.com/video/cwD8rmHHNec/v-deo.html
*Contents:*
0:00 - Intro
1:37 - Bending Kick
3:34 - Massé Kick
6:27 - Kick Off End Rail
7:14 - Two-Rail Kick
8:33 - Jump Shot
9:48 - Intentional Foul
11:09 - Wrap Up
*Supporting Resources:*
- GREATEST POOL MATCH of All Time - Reyes vs. Strickland - with the Famous Z-Shot: ua-cam.com/video/RhhrlcbnmXA/v-deo.html
- TOP 10 EFREN REYES FAMOUS SHOTS ... And How to Shoot Them: ua-cam.com/video/V1czUp9k2Uk/v-deo.html
- midpoint parallel-shift two-rail kicking system: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/midpoint/
- 12 Ways to AIM WITH A POOL CUE: ua-cam.com/video/hAYjgQN7bw8/v-deo.html
- end-game strategy: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/strategy/end-game/
- shirts, caps, mugs, and posters from Dr. Dave: drdavebilliardtshirts.com/
U cannot put the ball exactly d same as when efrens actual shot
@@jakemason3586 I tried to match the ball layout a well as I could with the given camera angles and diamond lines. I might have been off a little, but not a lot. Regardless, I think all the options I presented were still available to Efren.
@@DrDaveBilliards yeah probably, well I guess efren choose the option where he doesn't need to use any English... Its easier to calculate hitting the 5 that way
@@jakemason3586 Actually, he did need to use sidespin, which made the Z-shot even tougher. That shot was not natural. For more info, see:
ua-cam.com/video/V1czUp9k2Uk/v-deo.html
and:
ua-cam.com/video/RhhrlcbnmXA/v-deo.html
Enjoy!
@@DrDaveBilliards oh okay... My belief was that its just a normal shot... Using precise angle and accurate speed
what makes the shot legendary is that he did it within a minute of planning, with 1 take, at a tournament finals
The better you are, the luckier you get.
@@DrDaveBilliards indeed..and it takes a lot of billiard knowledge to know and explain great contents such as this.
@@SemperVictor1120 Thanks. I'm glad you liked it.
@@DrDaveBilliards yep, luck is on the side of the most skillful player.
indeed
Choosing the Z-shot just shows how confident he is with his skill. Most players wouldn't dare to attempt that shot on a tournament final match.
Agreed. That shot definitely took some "balls," especially in that match situation against that player.
@@DrDaveBilliards jup against Mr. Earl Strickland. Such a shame Earl had to withdraw from the Mosconi Cup starting later today...
@@D.H.1987 The Earl Mosconi Cup COVID news was a real bummer.
Yeah plus the pressure of his manager to attempt that shot
And also against the best player in his era which is strickland
This shot is so clutch.. 12-12 score and it was the last rack for the championship.. that alone make this legendary..
Anybody who doubts the magnitude of the moment should watch my "GREATEST POOL MATCH of All Time - Reyes vs. Strickland - with the Famous Z-Shot" video:
ua-cam.com/video/RhhrlcbnmXA/v-deo.html
Not only is the shot super impressive, Efren did it in the finals of a prestigious tournament against Earl Strickland, who many consider to be one of the best pool players of all time. Not only that, he made the shot with only like a minute of planning.
Well stated.
Earl the Pearl. One of the all time greats. But Efren has put some funny shocked faces on Earl over the years lol
@@Kryptic513 He GOaT lucky ... a lot. :)
@@DrDaveBilliards lmao loved the word-play (and the dig at Efren's self-effacing trademark line)! xD
The guts to take that shot and the nerves to make it.
At a hill-hill situation.
Against an also legendary opponent.
And the fact that Earl congratulated efren before shooting the nine.
Is just.
Mind blowing.
Agreed. It certainly wasn't an easy decision, based on the incredibly long time he took to think about and decide on the shot (much longer than normal).
Agreed too. Even the commentators was shock amd amazed..
A magician never reveals his secrets.
He sleeps with the PoolTable..... now he knew the PoolTable more than Women....
I watched an old documentary before saying Efren doesn't have his own billiards table at home though he can easily afford to buy one. He just go to nearby billiard houses to play. I'm not sure if it's still true to this day.
@@mizukienriquez3197 wow.... however it is very well known that he used to practice for hours everyday.... i guess his family owns a few pool table places so he doesnt have to have one at home... I mean you can be a bodybuilder but have no gym at home...
Up to now Efren plays money game with much younger but caliber player in the Philippines.
@@Stonefalconetti no they don't own or his family own a billiard table they just roam or finding an opponent to a billyard house.
Efrens shot not only the hardest but the most entertaining
Agreed. We are certainly all glad he chose the shot he did.
When the greatest player in the world gets lucky, you’re in big trouble!! Love watching Earl and Efren!!
So when you take a shot and it went in, you call that lucky?
it's not luck... Lol he did it many many times in many Tournaments showing his unequal skills in most impossible way's
Efren always used to say " i got lucky "
@@b0ogs coz he's humble. Even he knew what he was doing he always say "i got lucky".
Only one person on the world who get lucky or not just only him know that. Lol
the different with his shot; is that Efren did all of this in an actual world match competition; with short of time to think and decide what's best possible, he is truly a GOAT of the sport .
He is very entertaining. He makes the billiard fun to watch.
I agree 100%.
Yes 💪🏼👌🏼
In terms of the GOAT conversation, Boxing is torn between Ali/Tyson. Basketball is torn between Jordan/LBJ. In Pool/Billiards, majority of the people would agree Efren Reyes is the GOAT.
The Z shot was the best option because the angle of the CB out of the second rail has a higher percentage of hitting the 5 ball and pocketing it. Compare the angle from the rail of your bending kick and the angle from the z shot.
I think Efren chose to play this because pool players prefer much easier angles in making shots.
That immortal z shot was made from 60% talent and 40% luck.
Good point. The shallow angle into the end rail is a definite advantage of the Z-Shot.
The z shot is the more natural and better way to hit that ball. Curving and bending is far riskier
Easy to assess that after the fact. In short, with the benefit of hindsight.
Those numbers need adjustment. It was 100% skill hitting the ball. Making it was probably 60/40.
higher percentage according to whom?
I’m glad he did the z shot though. That made the game even more exciting.
I agree with the conclusion, that shot has a higher chance
Good summary.
I agree. Billiard is usually a boring game to watch. But Reyes made it entertaining.
That shot was legendarily clutch. Thanks for breaking out theories and alternatives.
You’re welcome. I aim to swerve. :j
@@DrDaveBilliards you can say that but its different? once you play in game and many people wachting. you only one shot you can do and cant mistake one shot? i can say is
practise is different to actual game
with Efren's magic skills, any choice is a right choice
Was watching that when I was a kid on live television and we all just drop our jaw.
I think it’s important to note that the balls , the age of the cloth, as well as the air condition are important factors to consider. They were different and not as advanced as right now
Good points. The cloth type and conditions definitely affect the action of some of these shots.
Players from the philippines is use to different conditions as they travel around the country Playing on different crowds, tables, weather etc… , so they know how to play on each table.
In the USA most pool tables are in good conditions with aircons and inside malls , pool halls and sporst bars, in the philippines most pool tables is in the streets so the table conditions vary.
You mean air-conditioners right now that their 22 degrees centigrade is different from that of older ones? LOL
Have you ever been in a competitive game? What happens is you default to your basic instinct when in trouble. That means the actions you are used to when the going gets tough. Akin to muscle memory. Well, that's why he's been called the Greatest. Because, you can visibly when he gets into the zone.
DrDave-- "what's best for efren isn't always best for mere mortals like me and you" 😅😅
The better you are, the luckier you get.
In my younger age I was once a billiard addict and very obsessed with cushion angles. I had made amazing cushion shots in pressured games as if it was really calculated. All I can say is the passion of Efren to this game is beyond comparable.
If you had played the commentary preceding the Z-shot we would have heard that it is impossible to make the shot. Eight times they said Efren was in “trouble”; much to their delight. Efren gets the last laugh. Earl’s recognition of Reyes making the shot was awesome.
Agreed. The shot was amazing, but Earl showing his "good side" was almost as amazing!
Thank you for giving this educational & analytical points of view of this famous Z-Shot 👍💞
You’re welcome. I aim to swerve. 🤓
He is truely a living Legend!
For mortals, z-shot is not an option.
Exactly
👏👏👏🐐🐐🐐
No cap!
3 years since the making of this video, damn youtube recommended me this after watching the z shot multiple times. Great video!
I’m glad the Algorithm steered you in the right direction. :)
See also:
Why EFREN’S Z-SHOT is so Legendary, and Bending-Kick Follow-Up
ua-cam.com/video/cwD8rmHHNec/v-deo.html
The option of Efren is doing it hard what easy to him..he make exciting the game instead of boring..that's why the audience love him..
Wow, that was extremely satisfying to watch. Great idea for a video. I often ask my wife/opponent what they would do with my tough shots. I'm no Efren, but 2 minds are better than 1.
Thanks. I'm glad you liked it. Show it to your wife also to see if she agrees. :)
The bending kick is awesome and seems quite less complicated compared to Efren's Z shot. This video is great in demonstrating several options other than Z shot. Also educational for novice player and a pool fan like me.. 🙂
I'm glad to hear it. Thanks.
your explanation and shot option are well thought through, you're a genius!
Thank you for your kind post.
Noticed how the cue ball dribbles when he is doing cushion shots. A technique where you can easily manipulate the cue ball to the angle that you want. Reason he chose the Z shot.
Considering the nature of their game that time and they are both on the hill, therefore, the z-shot was the option. I believe that there are other options (it might include all your options in this video) that he was thinking. But take note he sees all the angles that other players cannot see.
He GOaT Lucky!
I think Efren is doing it in purpose sometimes. There may be easy/obvious shots available but he’ll do complicated shots. Sometimes, the most remembered players is not the player who won but the player who did a complicated/impossible shot.
Bingo! Noob people don't understand that. You need to be remarkable to stand out from the rest. Taking easy shots can make you win but easily forgotten.
Actually the Z shot is just a regular shot for Efren the GOAT..
I'd wager Efren's the favorite to hit that ball using the Z shot. I've seen him shoot that shot a couple other times and he's crazy accurate with it.
I would agree with you when the Z-shot is at a natural angle; but due to the positions of the 6 and 7, significant sidespin was required to make the shot work. That makes it much tougher than normal. That's probably one of the reasons why he thought about the shot so long.
100 % true saw him do it at least 4 times that was pocketed in different angle but same 2 cushion bank,. He is more daring during money games so you will see him doing it
Yeah Ive seen him do it in diff tournaments.. he knows every bit kind of Z shots from small to large angled z shots..
When the greatest in the world gets lucky, you’re in big trouble!! I miss those two guys playing each other!
Please check your Ball positions and placing. The ones in Efren's Tournament is tighter and closer. From the original position, the Cue Ball is 2 Balls length and the 6 is 3 Balls length from the Rail. Your Cue ball is 3-4 balls length from the rail. With the tightness of the balls, the bending kick was not an option and Efren opt for the Z shot. Good video though.
My ball positions might not have been perfect, but I think all the options I presented were available to Efren. Did you see how much clearance there was between the CB and the obstacle balls on my bending kick shot?
@@DrDaveBilliards the fact that the positions of the ball are not the same you cant give an option. pls. ur just using this excuse to make this option but there is no opt.
@@Megaton0217 I tried to match the ball layout a well as I could with the given camera angles, diamond lines, and ball relationships. I might have been off a little, but not a lot. Regardless, I am confident all the options I presented were still available to Efren. For example, look at how much clearance there is between the CB & 6 and the CB & 7 during my bending kicks.
Agreed. More like 3-5 balls length.. on the original layout, bending kick wasnt an option
@@CollieMalinois Did you see how much clearance there is between the CB & 6 and the CB & 7 during my bending kicks?
This video is so educational. Thank you.
I'm glad you thought so. You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
thanks for sharing this dr dave, this gives a lot of insight on possible shots and makes the game more enjoyable for us spectators/amateur players. mabuhay
I'm glad you liked it.
It was the right shot for me in the final act of my latest sketch.. obviously I made the shot first time.... have a gander :)
Eferen sees shots that mere mortal professional players don't..That's why he is the GOAT..Being able to execute it is a very tough thing to do..But even just being able to think that that shot exists as an option is already an amazing feat in itself.
Well stated.
Excellent video. Thanks.
Thank you, and you're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
Casual players needs to understand. Efren played carom, 3 cushion back in the 70s . He have a great understanding of bank/kicking, rotation and speed control. And when $ is on the line he becomes and transform to a Wizard… he had a lot of 2 rail bank/kick/z shot in his career exhibition or championship play.
Agreed, per my Efren Tribute video:
ua-cam.com/video/RQQtDIwCFvw/v-deo.html
See also my Z-shot follow-up video explaining in detail why it was so awesome:
ua-cam.com/video/cwD8rmHHNec/v-deo.html
Loved the options you presented on this one, Sir. I especially loved the bending kick.
I’m glad you liked the video. Thanks for the comment.
the mere fact that it took you how many attempts to pocket the ball or just even hit the ball(even with your alternative approaches) proves that efren chose the right shot, or even if it was not the best option, it just shows how good of a player efren was..
He GOaT lucky. :)
@@DrDaveBilliardsthis is a little sarcastic, for a player who knows the best way of making it work, and it worked, it is a job well done, you did not get the stroke of bad luck, just saying
Great analysis.
Thanks.
Cool vid!.. Efren certainly takes things to another level! 👍🎱
He GOaT lucky! :)
I love efren he go in vietnam now everyone taking a picture with him. He is the michel jordan of billiards.
He is a celebrity and is willing to take pictures with people everywhere he goes. The GOAT is very humble and friendly.
@@DrDaveBilliards yes right now he played on seagames even he 67 years old he gets rockstar treatment in vietnam wacth it on yt. He is the legend.😭😭 its make me cry he getting old.
@@johnlemon435 Thank you, people of Vietnam, for giving Efren a rockstar treatment in your country. If I'm not mistaken, he was the most popular foreign athlete at the 31st SEA Games although he's no longer as good as he used to be.
That’s the thing, I wish there’s an interview where we could ask what was going on thru his mind, like which options did he consider. I want to know how he thinks
Unfortunately, he doesn't speak English very well and probably isn't interested in such interviews.
@@DrDaveBilliards he will just tell you that he got lucky
@@themanwithsadstories2954 The better you are (or the more you practice), the luckier you get. He GOaT Lucky.
I don’t think he ever considered anything else.. At least not seriously..
My guess is he was thinking if I let Earl back to the table I might as well unscrew my cue..
He did get lucky the 5 ball made it to the hole, after the cue ball lost so much energy off the second rail.. THATS the truly shocking part about that shot..
You cracked me with "mere mortals like you and me"...
What count the most is the shot... No matter what ways we do it. Love your breakdown of possibilities.
-Philippines
Good point. It is all about the outcome, not the options.
Awesome content dave! Don't forget their score in the final where he made this shot. 12-12. Very impressive. Would love to whitness it live, but wasn't born yet. Keep this content going!💪
Thanks!
@DrDaveBilliards - have you tried a Monte Carlo simulation of all the options you can think of? That might give us a clue as to what the actual probabilities are and what is the best overall choice would be for most players.
I found an article titled “Toward a Competitive Pool Playing Robot: Is Computational Intelligence Needed to Play Robotic Pool?” from 2007 that indicates people have been looking at Monte Carlo simulations for pool for quite some time, but I’ve been having problems trying to find more recent articles or papers that reference more modern software that could be used to analyze shots like this.
I agree. That would be an interesting analysis with interesting results. However, the missing piece is the difficulty of judging and aiming the shot. This isn't measured in a physics simulation. Some shots are fairly easy to judge and aim, but very difficult to execute accurately. Some shots are very difficult to judge and aim, but fairly easy to execute once you are close to the right line and spin (and speed for some shots). The Z shot is difficult on both accounts.
The Z shot made more sense to him and the cue ball speed is the only variable he needed to control. Efren made an educated guess coupled with years of experience playing professional pool and with a bit of luck, touched let alone pocketing the ball, is the world-renowned result.
It was certainly an awesome shot (one of the best ever), but it required much more than speed control. It required precise angle control and spin control and a good feel for the cushions and cloth. Set up the shot and try it until you make it so you can see how difficult it really is. Even Efren admitted that the shot is about 1 in 20, even for a top player. See:
ua-cam.com/video/RhhrlcbnmXA/v-deo.html
Efren did this in the crucial moment of the shot. That is clutch and just talent.
It wasn't just the shot, it was the match, opponent, situation, shot choice, difficulty level, outcome, etc. For more info, see my "GREATEST POOL MATCH of All Time - Reyes vs. Strickland - with the Famous Z-Shot" video:
ua-cam.com/video/RhhrlcbnmXA/v-deo.html
I think the z shot gives the best angle to go for broke on that shot. The rails and the cloth could be huge factors. I've played on tables where that z shot wouldn't work with bad rails. In that case, I'd opt for dave's preferred method. If I don't know the table well enough though, I'd try the z shot every time.
If the Z shot were more natural, I think I might agree. But with Efren's ball layout, it wasn't natural. He had to use left spin into the 1st rail to make it work. This increases the difficulty level dramatically. Very small changes in aim, speed, and spin drastically change the shot outcome.
Nice trials. I believe Efren's skill in bank shots are better (than his already skillful massé shots) made him decide for the Z shot. 🍻
What you're not taking itno account is Efren's background and experience. It was the best option for Efren because his background was playing "karambola" or carom ball. He was also a master of that game and using 3 banks/rails was pretty normal in that game. It was the "easiest" and most comfortable for him to take such a shot with his experience.
And unnatural Z-shot like this is low-percentage, even for the great Efren. Efren admitted that the shot is about 1 in 20, even for a top player. See:
ua-cam.com/video/RhhrlcbnmXA/v-deo.html
@@DrDaveBilliards It's definitely a high risk shot but if you've been playing 3 banks all your life it's more natural to try a shot like that. Why would he take it if he knew he didn't have a chance? That's all he needed, a chance, which he's done all his life.
@@pkpnyt4711 He took the shot, because after thinking about all the options over a long period of time (much longer than he normally ponders a shot), he decided it was his best of the worst options in that situation based on how he felt in that moment. He was right! He GOaT lucky! :)
For all I can remember Efren played Carom billiards back in the day I believe it was in Japan tournament were held that is why his cushion and angle shot is his comfort zone of play.
He has played and excelled at all pool and billiards games. See also my "Why EFREN’S Z-SHOT Is So Legendary, and Bending-Kick Follow-Up" video:
ua-cam.com/video/cwD8rmHHNec/v-deo.html
Velly Interesting. I gotta believe all Efren's three cushion experience figured heavily into his choice, and his execution.
That’s not a common 3-cushion-billiards shot, but Efren is no doubt the kicking master of the world.
Nice vid, tried a few options you showed😉
Take in mind that efren shot a great safety, but he potted the 8 and that's how he got in this situation. Earl was thanking God for this.
Being hill hill he didn't want to give the table back to earl. Also the slim opportunity of shooting a good safety he choose to go for it. And boy did he go for it...even earl was in awe after the z shot. He showed his respect by congratulating Efren before he could shoot the 9.
Absolute one of the most enjoyable games of pool, brilliant game from both titans.
Efren is unique in his approach of the game, so his z shot was the best option for he made the shot in 1 try
The whole match was awesome. FYI, I analyze and do a recap of the entire match, highlighting the drama around the Z-shot in this video:
ua-cam.com/video/RhhrlcbnmXA/v-deo.html
Check it out.
@@DrDaveBilliards I'm from the Netherlands and been playing since the 90s. This match we watched live in the poolcentre. I have watched this match so many times that I can dream this match.
I'll take a peak at your recap...what's the worst that can happen....maybe I learn something🤪.
Subscribed for you're channel
@@nn-it9fn Thanks, and enjoy the recap video!
1. He did it on a finals game with clutch score, meaning 1 mistake will make him or his enemy lose.
2. He did it on a short time planning.
3. Not only he did the Z shot, he also planned the positioning cue ball for the next shot
... and all the other stuff in my "Why EFREN’S Z-SHOT is so Legendary, and Bending-Kick Follow-Up" video:
ua-cam.com/video/cwD8rmHHNec/v-deo.html
You got that one better alternative there. Very nice
Any choice is good as long as you pocket the ball!! Your choice is entirely different from Efren's because he has a distinct vision from you.
Agreed. Efren made the right choice because he pocketed the ball and won the match. He was very lucky; but the better you are, the luckier you get.
What makes Z Shot legendary is
= Its a tournament winning shot
= The hardest option
= Two of the best players in the world are against each other
= Confidence of Efren to take that shot
= He didnt miss it.
Well stated.
That Z-shot Efren made even Earl Strickland clapped and in awe. Then as Efren always says "I got lucky"...at the back of my head was like ....lucky my ass....lol
He GOaT lucky! :)
the z shot made by efren is iconic... but for me, i can never forget his 4 rail shot
FYI, many examples of great shots from Efren over the years (including his 4-railer) can be found in the videos here:
billiards.colostate.edu/videos/pool-shots/
I play too..and this is just my opinion.i noticed that filipino players in general doesn't like to use masse,bends etc unless really necessary. They rarely even use the jump cue.i mean how many times have you seen efren use the jump cue?.i think efren chose the z shot cause it was the most comfortable for him and with the best chance of pocketing the ball (for him).lol.
I agree ... "for him." The better you are, the luckier you get.
Well said.. Me as an average filipino player of the game, we have the culture to look for the rails rather than jumpshots or masse. Because here in the Philippines jumping the CB is prohibited in almost all the pool halls. Like dr.Dave said it will abused the cloth..
I saw Efren's several games using jump shot. There's one video I watched from a tournament.
He did it with just 1 attempt and not to mention tremendous pressure. How many times you tried those shots before getting it right? That’s why it’s the best shot.
I report the number of attempts required for each option in the video. Agreed ... making a low-percentage shot like this on the first try is quite impressive. That, along with the drama surrounding the shot, is why it is at the top of the list in my "Top 25 BEST POOL SHOTS of All Time" video:
ua-cam.com/video/iqTCHfJ5Dvs/v-deo.html
Great idea and caption.. I always wondering what is the best option shot to pocket that 5 ball but still now I can't still find
The only way to know for sure is to try all the options I presented (and others you might think of).
Hi Doc Dave, I'm interested on how you measure the carom for the 9ball off the 6ball at 06:00.. Where in your vast video collection is this in? =). Thank you.
Check out carom shot aiming here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/30-90-rules/carom/
and how to use your cue to help aim shots here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/aiming/cue/
Enjoy!
@@DrDaveBilliards Thanks Doc Dave! =) I'm your avid subscriber and a student of pool as well. Appreciate your videos!!
He actually came out and said he didn't think.he was gunna make it, he got lucky he said
I have an excerpt of an interview where he says this in my previous video:
ua-cam.com/video/RhhrlcbnmXA/v-deo.html
Check it out.
He always says he's just lucky. He's humble.
No disrespect Dave, i just want to know if you have been competing in tournaments and if so whats the best placing youve achieved?
I am a professional instructor, not a professional player. For more info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/dr-dave
@@DrDaveBilliards so your a professional instructor on billiards/pool and all these videos are based on books, videos and personnal experiences playing pool/billiards (not profesionally)unlike other uploaders who once or even uptodate plays billiards. And you study, disect and analyses them to provide better understanding and help improve ones game
@@litolito7570 I play well enough, and have enough playing experience, to be able to understand and appreciate all aspects of the game; but you are correct, analyzing the play, technique, and choices of top players is always educational.
great video idea
Thanks. This one was fun to do.
"what's best for Efren isn't always best for mere mortals like me and you" - this sums up the video :)
Agreed. Thank you for watching the video to the end. Most people sadly don't.
I take issue with Dr. Dave classifying himself as a mere mortal.
Compared to Efren, "mere mortal" is quite generous. :)
@@DrDaveBilliards don’t move the balls leave it as it was on the on efrens play
@@romantorres9954 I tried to match the ball layout a well as I could with the given camera angles and diamond lines. I might have been off a little, but not a lot. Regardless, I think all the options I presented were still available to Efren.
I don't know what I appreciate more about you Dr., your love for pool, or your love for Jeopardy :D. Another great vid, thank you.
Thanks, and you're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
One of the toughest shot I've ever seen in Billards history! GOAT
He GOaT lucky. 🤓
@@DrDaveBilliards Yeah he said he was lucky
4:10 I wonder if it’ll be easier to control the bend if we minimize the cue ball hops.
Unfortunately, due to the cue elevation required to create the massé action, the hop is unavoidable. But you are correct, the hop does affect the action of the shot.
I actually think the z shot option was the easiest to visualize but harder to execute. But that just me.
Agreed.
Agreed, And dave I believe your first option wast the best option in that situation, like antointe said the Z shot was easiest to visualize. "But efren is the man of focus, commitment, something we know a little about."
It was the best shot, the best shot is always that which you can make on the first attempt, and can differ from player to player.
Agreed, per the last section of the video.
Definitely a GOAT MOVE
No doubt about that.
Thanks for doing this for science
You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
Great video and what a testament to Efrans skill to be in a match, Map this out in his head, execute with precision. He says he didn't think he would make it but I think that is just the humble guy he is.
Truly an impressive player
This time, when he said "I Got Lucky," I think he really meant it. Although, the better you are, the luckier you get.
@@DrDaveBilliards very true!
There's a reason he's called "The magician" and one of the GOAT's of the sport.
Agreed, except for the “one of” part. He is THE GOAT.
The z shot is the most beautiful shot
Unlike other sports where other names come up when identifying the GOAT, I think majority of the people accept that Efren Reyes is the GOAT in pool/billiards.
No question.
Sir, I just want and feel to correct u. Thanks for your advises and options. Yes, u are right but one main criticism; even yo best option is the best according to u but after numerous attempts. Man, let me tell you one thing, Efren did it once under perfected calculation with no one training him to do so and above all,he was amidst an international tournament,nowander he is a legend,and a living one. Tell him to repeat it, he will do so non stop 22times. Man, your option therefore is Nothing and totally nothing. That is yo own disrespectful idea. Agree that the man from a poor country goes beyond your limits and knowledge. Efren Bata Reyes. Even in Uganda,we celebrate him,the man who made all white champions go on their knees. Respect.
What is wrong with posting an instructional video discussing various shot options? Many people benefit from videos like this.
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Theres nothing wrong here bro, its his perspective. But you have the point but there is nothing wrong with this.
A clear statement of black vs white racism. Racism is not a one way street.
I'm Filipino, have been big fan of the man for decades, and have even been in the same room as him a couple of times (but too intimidated to go up to him and ask for a picture or autograph) but even he will tell you he couldn't make that shot every time. There's nothing disrespectful in recognizing that.
And if you celebrate him because of the his skin color and of those he won against, you celebrate something he never did. And it's more disrespectful to Efren to choose to focus on that.
It was the shot that would put him on the 6 ball. Best shot I have seen.
Gee Dr. Dave, shots like these are so very trick, but Efren’s best shots pay off. By the way, nice cute ambient music that you add, it reminds me of the one used in Chinese, South Korean, and Japanese cartoons.
In case you didn't know, the music is from the American TV game show Jeopardy. Have you seen it before?
You made valid points but forgot one thing. The very thing that sets the great from the normal people are their willingness to take bigger risk for bigger rewards. He must've been doing all the time during regular plays and had the guts to do it in a real match with pressure and the risk of losing it. He did it anyway. You see it in every sport, Boxing, MMA, Basketball etc. He had balls to try something like that on a high risk, high pressure environment is what sets them apart.
Good point. That's why I put it in the #1 spot in my "Top 25 BEST POOL SHOTS of All Time" video:
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The match, opponent, moment, shot, and outcome were all noteworthy.
You solved the problem in an hour but efren done it for 3minutes
I love when youtuber do this or experiment
I'm glad to here it, because I've done several like this:
billiards.colostate.edu/videos/pool-shots/
During practice, yes you can make after several missed, but for him(Efren) .. a few minutes is enough to take the legendary Z shot👍 proudly Filipino
Agreed. For more info, see my "Why EFREN’S Z-SHOT is so Legendary, and Bending-Kick Follow-Up" video:
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You can beat Efren if you remove the cusion...In the Philippines, we play 15balls(straight balls) instead of 9 or 10 balls...that is how Efren learned every part of the cusion. You can't hide the ball to him..100 percent he can hit it but not shoot it. 1%luck, 99% skill
0% concentrated power of will...
@@MrXela9 5 % pleasure ... to remember the name
I think it's the best shot because efren just wants to show off his skills😂😂
I enjoyed your video and generally agree with your conclusion. But like some others have mentioned, Efren prefers rail kicks and banks over masse/bending if possible, not that he can't do both. So in that way and considering his skill level to execute on his choices the answer to the exact question being asked is yes - his Z shot was the best option for him. That said, your bending kick is what I would try with enough practice.
Agreed. He made the right choice for him at that moment in a desperate situation.
Wow. I love the MERC
Whenever you're kicking, there's a slight chance the ball would go in. But if you're really really good with kicking balls like efren, your chance of making the ball increases drastically.
The better you are, the luckier you get.
@@DrDaveBilliards That's right. "The more I practice, the luckier i get" as Efren would always say.
The magician just took 1 attempt... So that's the best shots with unique style he did.
It worked, so it must have been right.
1 shot with a pressure!
Efren Bata has a PhD in Geometry
With your set-up, it looks like the cue ball isn't as close to the side than that of Efren's. Would you be able to re-post with Efren's one inset. I am looking at the Bending Kick in specific.
I tried to match the ball layout a well as I could with the given camera angles, diamond lines, and ball relationships. I might have been off a little, but not a lot. Regardless, I think all the options I presented were still available to Efren. For example, look at how much clearance there is between the CB & 6 and the CB & 7 during my bending kicks.
you and the other players will choose a different option .. but for that guy, he knows what He's doing and unlike others he loves taking risks .. and that makes him special.
It was definitely the right shot for Efren in that moment. For more info, see my "Why EFREN’S Z-SHOT Is So Legendary, and Bending-Kick Follow-Up" video:
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Your demonstrations justify the reason why Efren didn't opt to choose those alternatives. Also, we have to consider the biggest factor - Efren is in a pressured-pack match. Efren acted according to his skills and intuition. No one can do that better than the players themselves at a given situation - hit or missed. The fact that Efren call and made the shot means he made the right decision. Trust me, all the alternatives you've just shown crossed Efren's mind. But he considered them inappropriate. To question his decision that led to the famous Z Shot is folly.
You can't argue with success. Efren most definitely made the right decision for him at that moment. Watch the last section of my video again.