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PythonSelkan great video!! I have a question!! In mgs4 where snake is with big Mama there talking about big boss's body and looking at it in the van we later find out it's actually solidus body but what happened to venom snake from phantom pain ?? And sorry 😔 if this has been asked before
Hideo Kojima has publicly regretted killing off Liquid Snake since 1998. Unfortunately, he sacrificed the most important villain of the series just to create a convoluted way to bring him back to life; Revolver Ocelot (some may say Zero is more important due to the power he possessed, but he worked from the shadows, and Solid Snake never even came face to face with him until the very last scene of the series, while Ocelot was a major part in the vast majority of the games). Combining Ocelot and Liquid into one character took the real Ocelot away, but also didn't truly bring Liquid back. Instead, we ended up with a hybrid character that didn't quite work as well as when they were side by side in MGS1.
Even so, each MGS is perfect the way it is and everything in the saga makes perfect sense and previous and last chapters match perfectly with each other. If Liquid didn't die in MGS, Metal Gear Solid would have turned like shitty Resident Evil plot
@@JJShalashaska Yeah, having someone die at the end of game and making him come back by haunting an old man because you regret killing him off but finally decide that he wasn't really back, self-hypnosis and "nanomachines son" makes perfect sense. Talk about shitty plots..
To be honest I don't even know why he did it that way, he could of easily made it where the foxdie virus killed him but he had nanomachine that went into to overdrive and was able to fight off the virus and jump start his heart with electro magnetic impulse's or something like that. It would of been much better than having him control Ocelot because his arm was attached to him Lol. When I first saw that I was like WTF. I love the mgs series but when that happened I was like really?
I like the fact Liquid was killed off yet remains so pivotal to events in the series even long after he's dead. There's something eerily ominous about it, especially by the time we get to MGS4 and, even amidst the bigger goings on at play, the mere memory of him is still enough to bring the world to the brink. I think that's an even more powerful notion than if the character was still alive.
I remember loving Liquid as a villain so much growing up, that by the time I saw him do a pseudo-comeback in MGS2, I was thrilled to see it, and also thoroughly confused as to how that was going on. By the very nature of MGS2 being a complete post-modern nightmare of MGS1, I felt that Liquid's comeback through Ocelot's arm made the whole post-modern aspect of MGS2 work as amazing shock value, as it added confusion with a flair of fan-service in a game where confusion, and not knowing what was real or fake, was a major aspect of the overarching themes covered in the game. In retrospect, MGS2 is the most forward looking game in the franchise, and I wouldn't have it turn out any other way.
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Liquid is one of my favorite characters of all time, its a shame that was removed from the main history, would be nice if they keep a Liquid/Ocelot true persona as liquid, not the hypnotherapy line…
@@Ner0mancer I loose all hope with that, look the last of us, it has a remastered and a remake in les than 10 years, MGS series is an abandoned series 🥲
@@juaned2938 the thing is it makes Konami a lot of money. I doubt it, too, but I still hope they continue TPP with remakes/reboots of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 (the MSX games).
I honestly prefer the Liquid Ocelot storyline to the idea of keeping him alive. It alludes more to the Manchurian Candidate/MKUltra type experiments, something that is perfectly fitting in the world of espionage and questionable morality on almost every front that the Metal Gear games are nestled in. There's something about the concept of programming a human being that's just so interesting to me, and add to that the plot point that Ocelot underwent it willingly, at Big Bosses's behest. This concept is obviously further explored in the Phantom Pain with the Venom Snake character concept. This further reinforces the idea of BB being willing to alter people's minds if it's fitting for his plans and motivations. Another example of this concept within the games would be Grey Fox's resurrection and reprogramming to become the cyborg.
That's why Gray Fox keeps shouting for "THE MEDICINE" that was used during his programming to possible sedate him, could be any sort of opioid or benzodiazepine or even barbiturate class drug. Benzodiazepine class drugs leave withdrawals that feel exactly what Gray Fox's "outburtsts" look like. Shaking and your brain is only reading "FINDMEDICINEFINDMEDICINE...." It's literal hell, no wonder he felt like a ghost in a shell tormented by past demons and thus ended up sacrificing himself in lieu of damaging REX's targeting and radar systems.
Awesome video man, congratulations. I also think that Liquid is very important to the "new" Snake from MGS1, by 2005 he was a legend with no match before that, only Big Boss and Grey Fox jad a chance to defeat him, but they were both dead by the time of the Shadow Moses Incident, so when Liquid came into scene, meaning there was still something Snake couldn't get away from even in Alaska. Saying Liquid and Solid are like Batman and the Joker is very accurate, and I wish that Liquid had survived Foxdie.
1:53 That's one of the parts we always mocked: Campbell: "his skin tone is different, but otherwise you two are exact duplicates" Snake: "Dude... the picture is in black and white. The only difference I can see is the hair color"
Thank you for keeping the series alive. You put so much effort on your videos. I think this is the best game and franchise of all times. A masterpiece. A whole experience. Years later still learning new things, new theories pop up and it probably hasn't ended yet. Mgs V is still kind of a mistery
Yeah had Kojima knew he would make more games at the time he would have kept Liquid alive instead of putting him in ocelot just like how capcom regret killing off Wesker in RE1 they didn't know how popular he would be they bought him back from the dead you just never know what is going to click or not good vid Python.
Wowzer, I was not privy to this.. Thinking about liquid surviving MGS1 is a fascinating prospect. Really makes one wonder how the events of the following games would have changed.. While i'm happy with what we got, the "what-if's" are intriguing to say the least. Thanks for sharing PS!
With all the remakes going on that add new elements(final fantasy 7 remake come to mind), maybe one day, hopefully lol Kojima could come back and really change things up with a remake/reboot
Don't really care for Liquid. My only complaint is I wish they'd gone for the whole Ocelot having his father's powers and Liquid's spirit taking over and after you beat Liquid, Ocelot's personality slips through like it happens anyway in MGS4. Though I don't mind the hyponosis angle since they delved deeper into it with MGSV so it all comes full circle anyway and I llike the overall idea of Ocelot, the son of the Boss, the true heir, destroying the Patriots from the shadows and using everyone.
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I think making Solid Snake a clone was not a mistake in the long term, after all the existential conflict Dave has in MGS1 and 4 are a great part of his appeal as character. He's a man designed to be the perfect warrrior, yet he fights to end all conflict. That contradiction in himself through the symbol of genes defines his character, just mind that he had Big Boss' recessive genes while Liquid had the dominant ones and Solidus was a perfect clone, that seems to mean that Solid Snake never had the potential to become a warlord even though he indeed had the potential to become a leader (as the Philanthropy organisation makes evident). His character arc is one from mere soldier becoming double crossed, to a man doubting about his very own nature to a man who ends up surpassing the limits other people inflicted on his life. On the other hand, killing off Liquid was an utterly stupid choice. We can forgive Kojima because he truly behaves as an artist, he gives it all in every story because he expects it to be his last one.
They can retconn the story like the developers did with Yakuza Remake on current gen from the PS2 games to better fit the newer games. I would very much like a alternate timeline with Liquid surviving. At this point, it would even make sense. Heck they can put him back together
I honestly don't think it would've been too big of a stretch to just have him survive without changing too much of anything on screen. The dude had just been shot at and was in a fist fight its not unfair to say he just passed out from exhaustion/blood loss before being rescued by Ocelot or any of the others that had a vested interest in getting a Big Boss clone on their side. He could even still suffer some lasting injury from the incident
I always preferred Ocelot, so it kinda bothered me that he "became" Liquid in MGS2 & 4. Liquid's death worked well in MGS1 and was a great way to end the game, so I never felt he needed to come back at all.
When you think about it, as ridiculous as it is that Liquid possess Ocelot via a hand transplant, they couldv'e made anything up to bring Liquid back. There aren't really any boundaries in this world.
Man in video games and movies you can revive every villain you want. He can create a short story about putting his body in refrigerator or in a machine or that he was hiding somewhere for example. Am i right python Selkan ? He revive Volgin and Socolov....
So heard about it years before. But man, when Kojima originally thought that the first Metal Gear Solid was gonna be his last Metal Gear, did he ever considered that he'd want more powerful Consoles for sequels? Considering the limitations he stated he was struggling with when making the game for the original Playstation.
I think I remember reading an interview years back with Hideo Kojima were he mentioned his favourite Snake being Naked Snake. The reason being he was a man not a clone. He didnt like that Solid was a clone and felt his emotions were corrupted by that. He was less of a human in a way. Less relatable. I didn't agree with his take. I couldnt find this article now but it would have been around the time Kiefer was announced as the new Snake.
I think each MGS is perfect the way it is. In this Saga there is an example of narrative perfection. And thinking that Kojima masterfully thought of details already in the earlier games that would have fitted perfectly in the later games just blow my mind. There isn't one single mistake in 30 years of Saga. Kojima sama is really a genius
Never understood why liquid snake couldn’t just come back without the whole hypnotherapy bs. Gray fox did as a cyborg and so did bigboss thanks to the more advanced nanotechnology. Ocelot was already a well established character but the devs decided to make him a fully fledged lunatic then justify all that in later games such as mgs 5. Lol kojipro and his constant need to rewrite things.
I wish his biggest regret was not finishing mgs v, Even tho he says its finished. And comes back in 2024 after 9 years ,for global surprise. And redeme us from that phantom pain ,we felt since 2015 !
Appreciate the content over the years, bud. Here's a question for you; in peace walker, the AI pods upon defeat will repeat a phrase over and over, but I can't quite tell what they're saying because its so distorted. My best guess is "Each other's half died.". What do you think?
I'd of preferred when they killed Liquid without the whole possessing Ocelot storyline. I never looked at the MGS Series as having clear protagonist and antagonist. Everyone had their own baggage. Yeah some worse than others but Ocelot was always the smartest guy in the room and him leading snake to the finish the Mission much like his mother and father before him
No, Liquid's story in MGS1 is exactly as he should be. His dead as he very nearly pulls the trigger on Snake, only to be killed by Foxdie, is iconic, and a testament to his resilience and strength. Even Solid couldn't kill him, it took a genetically engineered virus to do the trick.
If he regretted it then why couldn't he just bring Liquid back in true form for MGS 2 with the excuse that he didn't actually die even though it seemed that way, or he was revived after Snake and Meryl left. As far fetched as that might have been it's not as far fetched as having Liquid's soul posses Ocelot through his arm lol.
It would be cool if there would be another les enfant terrible project where they cloned another liquid snake. There are possibilities.Maybe the kids of solid snake and liquid snake in mgs7. Remember what the Sorrow said while Big Boss was going through that river... something like.. "Your sons... and your sons SONS.."... who knows...Maybe one day...
The only thing I hate in MGS franchise is that David (Solid Snake) and Meryl didn't end up together. I will accept the fact that Solid Snake cannot end up with Meryl since he became older physically due to accelerate aging but what's worse is Meryl end up with Johnny. 😭
I'm one of the few fans that rather have Kojima ends the entire series with MGS2 and MGS3, or at least Kojima stops being a crybaby himself to handle the crybabies' responses that wants MGS4 to answers everything yet making things more cynical
Kinda missing the fact ocelot had a bat code arm in mgs2. One that bulked up when liquid took over. No to mention the voice if cam Clarke taking over. In mgs4, neither of those happen. I honestly don't think Kojima pulled the trigger on Liquid ocelot until mgs4. It fits with that game trying (badly) to explain as much as possible with clear answers.
I love the MGS Games but the one aspect I always wish happened on MGS4. Is Ocelot being just himself and not Liquid Ocelot as the villain. Ocelot was already an interesting villain on his own. He betrayed Sergei, Liquid and Solidus. He showed that he was always one step ahead of everyone. Does stuff that would always benefited him. Until MGS4 u realize he was always doing it for Big Boss. I just always felt like if u erase his love for Big Boss and him pretending to be Liquid. He was already a ruthless villain.
Actually, liquid taking over ocelot would have made sense if kojima didn't include the mental therapy thing. For example, kojima had already introduced the idea of nano machines, and more even mantis telekinesis power could combined with idea mental therapy itself could had made great sense as follows The arm of liquid contained nano machines that had his DNA and part of his personality through mental therapy. ocelot was made to believe himself to be liquid, and with mantis power, liquid soul itself can take over ocelot completely, and this is no strange considering we see super humans being already and later most interestingly the sorrow who had some spiritual power himself since you made mgs4 as continuation after the third mgs you could have gone with this explanation which would be good or even goes with plan B which is using liquid Corpse and nano machines and mantis power again to revive liquid snake we also saw that such a thing is possible like gray fox for example and colonels volgin who became the man on fire There are so many ways to revive liquid, but it seems kojima focused on the theme of the story and plot and didn't want to go so far to revive a character in a way that will make a plot hole or plot weakness But honestly, if liquid was alive, I feel he would have teamed soild to take on solidus and pay solidus back for saying he is a whole different game than liquid to soild snake when they meet
tbh kojima could have pulled a mumbo jumbo and revived him, just like Venom was the explanation for 2 Big bosses, or Vamp coming back due to nanomachines, hell even OG Big boss is back after being "Handmade flamethrowered to death"
@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz She wasn't directly called Snake, but one can assume Kojima was referring to her in MGS3, with references such as Zero saying: "Speaking of snakes, you remember The Boss, don't you?", or the Snake-shaped scar on her torso.
I hate playing old snake in mgs4. It makes the story dramatic and interesting but I just loved Snakes design in MGS2 and didn`t want to play as an old version of that cool guy. The sad thing is, that we`ll never play as an high quality version of young snake (that one face camo doesn`t count)
I honestly believed that it would've been epic to see solid, liquid, solidus had it out on mgs4 but that's a big stretch. I think it would've help mgs 4 game personally. The game was too short
I wish Liquid wasn't killed off either. Poor Ocelot had to become Liquid in his place, and Solid Snake had to be aged to an old man so it would be even. I think aging Snake like that was the biggest mistake in the series. The explanation for it was BS as well.
Fuck it. Remade it and made Liquid still alive. Make MGS2 story better... make this series great again. Veterans will forgive;) and new generation will not know
I always saw ocelot as an ok character and never really liked his style but liquid was an awesome character along with the great voice they game him. So the plot where Ocelot got his arm replaced by liquids and then liquid sorta takes over him was a weak plot in my opinon. The plot of MGS1 involves a lot of clonning so why could't they just have said, hey we created a clone of liquid before he died.
With Capcom redoing the previous RE games and altering them a bit it would be amazing if Konami would let him redo Metal Gear Solid in which Liquid doesn't die. That's how some shows and games have been going on. Mario Peach and Bowser, Link Zelda and Ganon, and Goku Vegeta and Frieza.
You might want to do some research before saying something like that on this channel. Metal Gear was released in 1987, not MGS1. Metal Gear Solid 1 was released in 1998.
Okay but like he's a clone. And Ai tech is super prevalent. How hard would it truly have been to blah blah blah, new clone body, blah blah prototype AI implant recorded my memories, blah blah now I'm free from foxdie, blah blah did you miss me ....... BROOOOOOOOOOOOTHER
With regards to Volgin, we personally think otherwise.. He's an iconic villain and all his scenes were amazingly done. When we say "awesome", we mean in terms of being a great villain - worthy enough to be in the game, not whether he is likable by fans.. I guess the more he is disliked, the better the villain. - P&S
There is still a way to change the past and connect the future they are both in twined. And I understand and know Hideo Kojima is the only one that can pull this off. I will always stand by your side Big Boss. You still have so much to teach me and learn from thank you!. 😁😊🫡❤️🔥✌🏻and I look forward to even more to come.
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It reminds me of Jean Claude Van damme movie "replicant" when he had to beat his twin brother. Great movie
No, I prefer Ocelot
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PythonSelkan great video!! I have a question!! In mgs4 where snake is with big Mama there talking about big boss's body and looking at it in the van we later find out it's actually solidus body but what happened to venom snake from phantom pain ?? And sorry 😔 if this has been asked before
Hideo Kojima has publicly regretted killing off Liquid Snake since 1998. Unfortunately, he sacrificed the most important villain of the series just to create a convoluted way to bring him back to life; Revolver Ocelot (some may say Zero is more important due to the power he possessed, but he worked from the shadows, and Solid Snake never even came face to face with him until the very last scene of the series, while Ocelot was a major part in the vast majority of the games). Combining Ocelot and Liquid into one character took the real Ocelot away, but also didn't truly bring Liquid back. Instead, we ended up with a hybrid character that didn't quite work as well as when they were side by side in MGS1.
The pitfall of coming back to a series, after thinking every previous game was the "last", is retcon confusing storylines.
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Even so, each MGS is perfect the way it is and everything in the saga makes perfect sense and previous and last chapters match perfectly with each other.
If Liquid didn't die in MGS, Metal Gear Solid would have turned like shitty Resident Evil plot
@@JJShalashaska Yeah, having someone die at the end of game and making him come back by haunting an old man because you regret killing him off but finally decide that he wasn't really back, self-hypnosis and "nanomachines son" makes perfect sense. Talk about shitty plots..
To be honest I don't even know why he did it that way, he could of easily made it where the foxdie virus killed him but he had nanomachine that went into to overdrive and was able to fight off the virus and jump start his heart with electro magnetic impulse's or something like that.
It would of been much better than having him control Ocelot because his arm was attached to him Lol. When I first saw that I was like WTF. I love the mgs series but when that happened I was like really?
I like the fact Liquid was killed off yet remains so pivotal to events in the series even long after he's dead. There's something eerily ominous about it, especially by the time we get to MGS4 and, even amidst the bigger goings on at play, the mere memory of him is still enough to bring the world to the brink. I think that's an even more powerful notion than if the character was still alive.
Cam Clark not being a part of MGS4 was half the reason it's my least favorite in the series.
It kinda ties in to what Liquid Snake told Solid Snake during their conversation on top of Metal Gear Rex "I won't die, as long as you still live"
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That's it, man, you got the point, I think exactly the same!
Agreed.
Liquid was obviously gonna take a huge part in mgsv but sadly his chapter didn't get the opportunity
From what I heard
Mission 51 just wrap up a sub plot
Would liquid be as popular if he'd remained a full fledged villain throughout the series? I almost think the way he was portrayed was perfect.
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always glad to see another mgs fan who is also a fan of yakuza
I never got into Yakuza, although I own some of them. Should I try getting into them again?
@@Ner0mancer absolutely
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I remember loving Liquid as a villain so much growing up, that by the time I saw him do a pseudo-comeback in MGS2, I was thrilled to see it, and also thoroughly confused as to how that was going on. By the very nature of MGS2 being a complete post-modern nightmare of MGS1, I felt that Liquid's comeback through Ocelot's arm made the whole post-modern aspect of MGS2 work as amazing shock value, as it added confusion with a flair of fan-service in a game where confusion, and not knowing what was real or fake, was a major aspect of the overarching themes covered in the game. In retrospect, MGS2 is the most forward looking game in the franchise, and I wouldn't have it turn out any other way.
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Liquid is one of my favorite characters of all time, its a shame that was removed from the main history, would be nice if they keep a Liquid/Ocelot true persona as liquid, not the hypnotherapy line…
They could still do that if they reboot/remake the series.
@@Ner0mancer I loose all hope with that, look the last of us, it has a remastered and a remake in les than 10 years, MGS series is an abandoned series 🥲
@@juaned2938 the thing is it makes Konami a lot of money. I doubt it, too, but I still hope they continue TPP with remakes/reboots of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 (the MSX games).
@@Ner0mancer problem is not fucking up gameplay and story without kojima
@@juaned2938 this aged poorly
Liquid's voice was so iconic.
BROTHER!!
I compare all villains to that performance. Over the top. Vaguely british.
I honestly prefer the Liquid Ocelot storyline to the idea of keeping him alive. It alludes more to the Manchurian Candidate/MKUltra type experiments, something that is perfectly fitting in the world of espionage and questionable morality on almost every front that the Metal Gear games are nestled in. There's something about the concept of programming a human being that's just so interesting to me, and add to that the plot point that Ocelot underwent it willingly, at Big Bosses's behest.
This concept is obviously further explored in the Phantom Pain with the Venom Snake character concept. This further reinforces the idea of BB being willing to alter people's minds if it's fitting for his plans and motivations.
Another example of this concept within the games would be Grey Fox's resurrection and reprogramming to become the cyborg.
That's why Gray Fox keeps shouting for "THE MEDICINE" that was used during his programming to possible sedate him, could be any sort of opioid or benzodiazepine or even barbiturate class drug.
Benzodiazepine class drugs leave withdrawals that feel exactly what Gray Fox's "outburtsts" look like. Shaking and your brain is only reading "FINDMEDICINEFINDMEDICINE...."
It's literal hell, no wonder he felt like a ghost in a shell tormented by past demons and thus ended up sacrificing himself in lieu of damaging REX's targeting and radar systems.
Awesome video man, congratulations. I also think that Liquid is very important to the "new" Snake from MGS1, by 2005 he was a legend with no match before that, only Big Boss and Grey Fox jad a chance to defeat him, but they were both dead by the time of the Shadow Moses Incident, so when Liquid came into scene, meaning there was still something Snake couldn't get away from even in Alaska. Saying Liquid and Solid are like Batman and the Joker is very accurate, and I wish that Liquid had survived Foxdie.
He killed off liquid too soon, least we got ocelot
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I somehow doubt that both Miller and Liquid are dead. Maybe they retired in their own way
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That's one of the parts we always mocked:
Campbell: "his skin tone is different, but otherwise you two are exact duplicates"
Snake: "Dude... the picture is in black and white. The only difference I can see is the hair color"
Thank you for keeping the series alive. You put so much effort on your videos. I think this is the best game and franchise of all times. A masterpiece. A whole experience. Years later still learning new things, new theories pop up and it probably hasn't ended yet. Mgs V is still kind of a mistery
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Yeah had Kojima knew he would make more games at the time he would have kept Liquid alive instead of putting him in ocelot just like how capcom regret killing off Wesker in RE1 they didn't know how popular he would be they bought him back from the dead you just never know what is going to click or not good vid Python.
Wowzer, I was not privy to this.. Thinking about liquid surviving MGS1 is a fascinating prospect. Really makes one wonder how the events of the following games would have changed.. While i'm happy with what we got, the "what-if's" are intriguing to say the least. Thanks for sharing PS!
With all the remakes going on that add new elements(final fantasy 7 remake come to mind), maybe one day, hopefully lol Kojima could come back and really change things up with a remake/reboot
The James Flinders voice for Liquid was perfect.
Don't really care for Liquid. My only complaint is I wish they'd gone for the whole Ocelot having his father's powers and Liquid's spirit taking over and after you beat Liquid, Ocelot's personality slips through like it happens anyway in MGS4. Though I don't mind the hyponosis angle since they delved deeper into it with MGSV so it all comes full circle anyway and I llike the overall idea of Ocelot, the son of the Boss, the true heir, destroying the Patriots from the shadows and using everyone.
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This reminds me of mgs4s secret Liquid meme in solids mind: You enjoy the Killing, thats why🙊
it would be cool to see how solid snake was a child like how they did Eli aka liquid snake) in mgs v
I think making Solid Snake a clone was not a mistake in the long term, after all the existential conflict Dave has in MGS1 and 4 are a great part of his appeal as character. He's a man designed to be the perfect warrrior, yet he fights to end all conflict. That contradiction in himself through the symbol of genes defines his character, just mind that he had Big Boss' recessive genes while Liquid had the dominant ones and Solidus was a perfect clone, that seems to mean that Solid Snake never had the potential to become a warlord even though he indeed had the potential to become a leader (as the Philanthropy organisation makes evident). His character arc is one from mere soldier becoming double crossed, to a man doubting about his very own nature to a man who ends up surpassing the limits other people inflicted on his life.
On the other hand, killing off Liquid was an utterly stupid choice. We can forgive Kojima because he truly behaves as an artist, he gives it all in every story because he expects it to be his last one.
They can retconn the story like the developers did with Yakuza Remake on current gen from the PS2 games to better fit the newer games. I would very much like a alternate timeline with Liquid surviving. At this point, it would even make sense. Heck they can put him back together
I honestly don't think it would've been too big of a stretch to just have him survive without changing too much of anything on screen. The dude had just been shot at and was in a fist fight its not unfair to say he just passed out from exhaustion/blood loss before being rescued by Ocelot or any of the others that had a vested interest in getting a Big Boss clone on their side. He could even still suffer some lasting injury from the incident
I always preferred Ocelot, so it kinda bothered me that he "became" Liquid in MGS2 & 4.
Liquid's death worked well in MGS1 and was a great way to end the game, so I never felt he needed to come back at all.
The three characters that Kohima kept bringing back....
Liquid Snake
Psycho Mantis
Ocelot
All three are also in MGS5.
When you think about it, as ridiculous as it is that Liquid possess Ocelot via a hand transplant, they couldv'e made anything up to bring Liquid back. There aren't really any boundaries in this world.
Man in video games and movies you can revive every villain you want. He can create a short story about putting his body in refrigerator or in a machine or that he was hiding somewhere for example. Am i right python Selkan ? He revive Volgin and Socolov....
So heard about it years before.
But man, when Kojima originally thought that the first Metal Gear Solid was gonna be his last Metal Gear, did he ever considered that he'd want more powerful Consoles for sequels? Considering the limitations he stated he was struggling with when making the game for the original Playstation.
I think I remember reading an interview years back with Hideo Kojima were he mentioned his favourite Snake being Naked Snake. The reason being he was a man not a clone. He didnt like that Solid was a clone and felt his emotions were corrupted by that. He was less of a human in a way. Less relatable. I didn't agree with his take. I couldnt find this article now but it would have been around the time Kiefer was announced as the new Snake.
I think each MGS is perfect the way it is. In this Saga there is an example of narrative perfection. And thinking that Kojima masterfully thought of details already in the earlier games that would have fitted perfectly in the later games just blow my mind. There isn't one single mistake in 30 years of Saga.
Kojima sama is really a genius
Never understood why liquid snake couldn’t just come back without the whole hypnotherapy bs. Gray fox did as a cyborg and so did bigboss thanks to the more advanced nanotechnology. Ocelot was already a well established character but the devs decided to make him a fully fledged lunatic then justify all that in later games such as mgs 5. Lol kojipro and his constant need to rewrite things.
I wish his biggest regret was not finishing mgs v,
Even tho he says its finished.
And comes back in 2024 after 9 years ,for global surprise.
And redeme us from that phantom pain ,we felt since 2015 !
It’s never too late
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They could’ve say that liquid faked his death by faking that foxdie killed him and bring him back by disguising himself as ocelot not that arm shit.
Great video
This is why MGS is the best game in the series.
Another great video....!
Love your videos buddy
Appreciate the content over the years, bud. Here's a question for you; in peace walker, the AI pods upon defeat will repeat a phrase over and over, but I can't quite tell what they're saying because its so distorted. My best guess is "Each other's half died.". What do you think?
I think MGS1 is over due for an HD remake even if its just done in the MGS5 engine.
I'd of preferred when they killed Liquid without the whole possessing Ocelot storyline. I never looked at the MGS Series as having clear protagonist and antagonist. Everyone had their own baggage. Yeah some worse than others but Ocelot was always the smartest guy in the room and him leading snake to the finish the Mission much like his mother and father before him
If kojima get MGS back man His remake of MGS1,2 & 4 would be more legendary with liquid snake
No, Liquid's story in MGS1 is exactly as he should be. His dead as he very nearly pulls the trigger on Snake, only to be killed by Foxdie, is iconic, and a testament to his resilience and strength. Even Solid couldn't kill him, it took a genetically engineered virus to do the trick.
If he regretted it then why couldn't he just bring Liquid back in true form for MGS 2 with the excuse that he didn't actually die even though it seemed that way, or he was revived after Snake and Meryl left. As far fetched as that might have been it's not as far fetched as having Liquid's soul posses Ocelot through his arm lol.
It would be cool if there would be another les enfant terrible project where they cloned another liquid snake. There are possibilities.Maybe the kids of solid snake and liquid snake in mgs7. Remember what the Sorrow said while Big Boss was going through that river... something like.. "Your sons... and your sons SONS.."... who knows...Maybe one day...
If we do get an MGS1 reboot or continuation of mgs on gbc. Liquid being alive would change the whole timeline...
Nah. I loved the twist of liquids arm being grafted on Ocelot in MGS2. MGS4 should've stepped away from Liquid entirely and focused on Ocelot more.
Great video always giving great content and I agree with this.
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The only thing I hate in MGS franchise is that David (Solid Snake) and Meryl didn't end up together. I will accept the fact that Solid Snake cannot end up with Meryl since he became older physically due to accelerate aging but what's worse is Meryl end up with Johnny. 😭
Solid: Fox ...
LIQUID: Die !
One Lives. One Dies ...
Real Snake is MGS1 1998 !
If Skullface wasn't killed off, he could have become the president of Russia in MGS6, with parasite cosmetic therapy and his language skills.
I'm one of the few fans that rather have Kojima ends the entire series with MGS2 and MGS3, or at least Kojima stops being a crybaby himself to handle the crybabies' responses that wants MGS4 to answers everything yet making things more cynical
We need Metal gear I live Metal gear
Kinda missing the fact ocelot had a bat code arm in mgs2. One that bulked up when liquid took over. No to mention the voice if cam Clarke taking over. In mgs4, neither of those happen. I honestly don't think Kojima pulled the trigger on Liquid ocelot until mgs4. It fits with that game trying (badly) to explain as much as possible with clear answers.
I love the MGS Games but the one aspect I always wish happened on MGS4. Is Ocelot being just himself and not Liquid Ocelot as the villain. Ocelot was already an interesting villain on his own. He betrayed Sergei, Liquid and Solidus. He showed that he was always one step ahead of everyone. Does stuff that would always benefited him. Until MGS4 u realize he was always doing it for Big Boss. I just always felt like if u erase his love for Big Boss and him pretending to be Liquid. He was already a ruthless villain.
Liquid ocelot is the biggest black eye on the metal gear narrative. It's the only part of the story that I just feel is 100-percent uncool.
Actually, liquid taking over ocelot would have made sense if kojima didn't include the mental therapy thing. For example, kojima had already introduced the idea of nano machines, and more even mantis telekinesis power could combined with idea mental therapy itself could had made great sense as follows
The arm of liquid contained nano machines that had his DNA and part of his personality through mental therapy. ocelot was made to believe himself to be liquid, and with mantis power, liquid soul itself can take over ocelot completely, and this is no strange considering we see super humans being already and later most interestingly the sorrow who had some spiritual power himself since you made mgs4 as continuation after the third mgs you could have gone with this explanation which would be good or even goes with plan B which is using liquid Corpse and nano machines and mantis power again to revive liquid snake we also saw that such a thing is possible like gray fox for example and colonels volgin who became the man on fire
There are so many ways to revive liquid, but it seems kojima focused on the theme of the story and plot and didn't want to go so far to revive a character in a way that will make a plot hole or plot weakness
But honestly, if liquid was alive, I feel he would have teamed soild to take on solidus and pay solidus back for saying he is a whole different game than liquid to soild snake when they meet
i would've accepted if liquid survived mgs1 and into mgs2 or 4 tbh.
tbh kojima could have pulled a mumbo jumbo and revived him, just like Venom was the explanation for 2 Big bosses, or Vamp coming back due to nanomachines, hell even OG Big boss is back after being "Handmade flamethrowered to death"
Liquid Snake was cool no cap but I love Solid Snake
7:03 who was another Snake in Snake Eater then?!
The Boss, as the leader of the Cobra Unit.
@@PythonSelkan not "Snake" tho
@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz She wasn't directly called Snake, but one can assume Kojima was referring to her in MGS3, with references such as Zero saying: "Speaking of snakes, you remember The Boss, don't you?", or the Snake-shaped scar on her torso.
@@PythonSelkan eh. Only thing I can think of is Ocelot, since in the future he will become and then "become" (4 is retcon of 2) Snake 🐍
@@PythonSelkan oh and Solid in Snake vs Monkey
Interesting very interesting
I hate playing old snake in mgs4. It makes the story dramatic and interesting but I just loved Snakes design in MGS2 and didn`t want to play as an old version of that cool guy. The sad thing is, that we`ll never play as an high quality version of young snake (that one face camo doesn`t count)
Really hope for a day where Kojima can have his IP back.
I honestly believed that it would've been epic to see solid, liquid, solidus had it out on mgs4 but that's a big stretch. I think it would've help mgs 4 game personally. The game was too short
I wish Liquid wasn't killed off either. Poor Ocelot had to become Liquid in his place, and Solid Snake had to be aged to an old man so it would be even. I think aging Snake like that was the biggest mistake in the series. The explanation for it was BS as well.
whats the music track at the end? it sounds so familiar
They could have just brought him back by having foxdie put him in a deep coma.
never be game over
I would've preferred ocelot stayed himself & have liquid still alive as the big bad
Still the greatest franchise in the history of video games. I'd love to see an anime series in a DBZ style from the games
Fuck it. Remade it and made Liquid still alive. Make MGS2 story better... make this series great again. Veterans will forgive;) and new generation will not know
I always saw ocelot as an ok character and never really liked his style but liquid was an awesome character along with the great voice they game him. So the plot where Ocelot got his arm replaced by liquids and then liquid sorta takes over him was a weak plot in my opinon. The plot of MGS1 involves a lot of clonning so why could't they just have said, hey we created a clone of liquid before he died.
With Capcom redoing the previous RE games and altering them a bit it would be amazing if Konami would let him redo Metal Gear Solid in which Liquid doesn't die. That's how some shows and games have been going on. Mario Peach and Bowser, Link Zelda and Ganon, and Goku Vegeta and Frieza.
Every game has two snakes?
Which are they on MGS3?
Or neo and agent smith
Is there two snakes in mgs snake eater?🤔
Liquid looked really cool in the original release, but in Twin Snakes it was off-putting to see Snake’s likeness with long hair and bangs lol
*_LIQUID!!!_*
make that liquid a zombie.
Why kojima choose the code name snake for our protagonist?
Regarding how every metal gear game has two snakes. Who's the second snake in MGS3? Is it supposed to be The Joy?
Yeah. But i wonder who they mean in mgs4? Like ocelote/liquid or who?
@@pliscinandre9799 probably liquid and solid. or maybe solid and big boss
Killing off liquid
Who is the second snake in mgs3? And peace Walker?
Without the foxdie effect, do you think liquid could beat solid?
Anyday
I'll say this about the cloning aspect. No game series has handled it better.
I'm sure I'll feel quite dumb when I realize, but who was the 2nd Snake in MGS3???
There a few cobras, so I guess we should take The Boss as the 2nd (or 1st!) Snake?
Man, you don't know the history of MGS game at all, because the first MGS was released way back in 1987.
You might want to do some research before saying something like that on this channel. Metal Gear was released in 1987, not MGS1. Metal Gear Solid 1 was released in 1998.
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Okay.I wanted to say that the first MGS was released in 87', not MGS 1, and it was also made by Hidro Kojima.
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He would be better off buying the rights to Silant Hills and working on that game instead of Death Stranding which is nonsense
Okay but like he's a clone. And Ai tech is super prevalent. How hard would it truly have been to blah blah blah, new clone body, blah blah prototype AI implant recorded my memories, blah blah now I'm free from foxdie, blah blah did you miss me ....... BROOOOOOOOOOOOTHER
Where are you from bro?
1000th. like here.
Having Snakes boss be female in the third game was totally stupid and made no sense.
Volgin was NEVER an awesome villain.
Liquid Snake is a very likable villain. Just saying. With the help of the voice actor yes. For sure
With regards to Volgin, we personally think otherwise.. He's an iconic villain and all his scenes were amazingly done. When we say "awesome", we mean in terms of being a great villain - worthy enough to be in the game, not whether he is likable by fans.. I guess the more he is disliked, the better the villain.
- P&S
how are you still milking this dead franchise?
There is still a way to change the past and connect the future they are both in twined. And I understand and know Hideo Kojima is the only one that can pull this off. I will always stand by your side Big Boss. You still have so much to teach me and learn from thank you!. 😁😊🫡❤️🔥✌🏻and I look forward to even more to come.