As a screenwriter myself, Kojima's writing skills have always amazed me. He managed to connect every MGS in 28 years; but nonlinear. Screenplays and storyboards always have structures. I truly want to hear Kojima's way of writing because he managed to overcome barriers that some of the greatest film and theater screenwriters and novelists have not yet touched. And we are talking about videogames. This is a work of art.
That's why till these days I can't take serious The Phantom Pain; I don't need it, MGS4 is the "real" ending. If only the narrative would have that plot twist with a «relevant» character instead of some random medical, jesus.
I believe he makes a year by year outline of events and then only handled the writing of major events allowing minor interconnections to be fleshed out by writers beneath him.
i mean naomi kept saying big boss was alive... but the fact that she was the "third party" spy in the events of MGS1 and MGS4. so it was hard to take in her input as truth
Considering his appearance in the MGS1 handbook is pretty much identical to his MGS4 appearance I’m sure Kojima always had some sort of ultimate plan for his character.. maybe.
@@mcgingster9434 only the PS2 and later versions. The original MSX release had completely different images for characters; Big Boss looked like Sean Connery.
That is what I was hoping for the story of MGS5 at first. I was hoping that Kojima and Konami would tell us the whole story after snake eater and before MGS1. I´m afraid we will never see a proper remake of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake. What a shame... Maybe we will get atleast a remake version of MGS1 someday. There are rumors for a PS5 version in the works.
@@eltadashi1 After Snake Eater comes the events of Peace Walker. Explaining that BB and his crew became "Gun for Hire" or Militares Sans Frontier and then created the Mother Base which was a "gift" from Vlad. After defeating Basilisk (A.I Operated Metal Gear created by Coldman), MSF created MG ZEKE, in which Paz double crossed BB and Kaz where Paz was blasted to the sea and her body was not found which was then revealed that during MGSV GZ that she was held captive. If I'm correct the time that MSF was attacked and when Paz was detonated was the beginning of the MGSV PP, and during the end scene of PP where the Outer Haven alarms are going and Venom Snake was realizing he was not BB was the start of the first Metal Gear(Not Metal Gear Solid 1), which signifies that BB was alive and it was VS which was killed by Snake
Dont forget that Solidus was the president at the time of Shadow Moses incident. Liquid was demanding to him the remains of Big Boss and that money. But Solid was sent to do the dirty work. Liquid had the best genes, Solid had the worst and Solidus was (in theory better than both) After Natasha Romanenko went public, things couldnt happen as before. Ocelot knew Big Boss was alive, but couldnt reach him, since he was designed the mission of training Liquid and helping him out; while Miller trained Solid. Im pretty sure Ocelot convinced Liquid to pressure Solidus with Rex, maybe Zero was training Solidus and the 3 were struggling for the control of the philosophers legacy, but Eva had some control of it too. Eva gave her life for the Solidus remains, believing it was Big Boss. Im pretty much sure few people knew the whereabouts of Big Boss, Zero was tracking him, but couldnt find, even with all the Patriots' AIs. After Liquid failed, Ocelot took his role in a bigger scheme of defeating Zero and his Solidus. But against the odds, Solid, without Miller, managed to disrupt it all.
@@luketom2507 they made him think he was the better clone, but in truth he was the worst... He had all the recessive genes of big boss and was (in theory) doomed to be overshadowed by the other two clones. In mgs2 he proved that to be fundamentaly wrong, as Raiden was trained among who knows how many soldiers according to Solids' mission in Shadow Moses via VR tech was deemed to be another supersoldier peering closer to Big Boss' and Solids' legasy , proving that big boss was just a charismatic, talented, clever individual and there are many other like him in the world, like jack (raiden), David (solid) and Joy (the boss). Even the game said, anyone can become Big Boss or Solid Snake given enough training and conditioning.
I think Gray Fox chopped Ocelot's hand on his own accord because he wanted to face Snake in a battle to the death and may have not been part of any plan. Gray Fox said later on that he was losing himself
I said it once and I'll say it again mgs4 tied the games into one perfectly. The whole story finally gets told from beginning to end and it was brilliant. Good catch though iv lived and breathed metal gear since I was 4 years old and I never caught that one
Dude I always say Metal Gear Solid is one of the few games in history that ever had a beginning and an eventual end. Yeah Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain came later which were great for gameplay, ehhh, for story, but I really didn't need much story at that point. MGS4 might not have been the best gameplay game but omfg did it explain so many unanswered questions that the other 3 games brought. This is the greatest franchise in video game history wth the baddest protagonist ever. I'll be a hundred and tell my great grand kids about this masterpiece.
There was always that underlying feeling for me that Big Boss wasn’t dead and he was somewhere but we didn’t know where or how he was still alive. We didn’t know much about him during the pre-MGS2 and 4 days and he seemed to important to just be a rogue soldier that turned bad. Love MGS so much!!
"Eva, Ocelot, Gray Fox & Naomi all fought for Big Boss's freedom until their very end. After 15 long years... "Paradise Lost" won the war against The Patriots. Big Boss was free... ... to make peace with his son, pay respect to his mother & mentor for the last time, and finally, to die as his own man."
I've wanted to write something similar, but you've done it better than I would. These four were fighting for Big Boss, so he could spend the rest of his living days for himself. Not as a Hero, or a Villan. Or even a soldier. But as a Free man. Free of the everlasting war, or manipulations by the Patriots. That's why he said to Snake to live rest of his days. To enjoy the rest of his life in peace. So he could live as a person, not as a soldier. Big boss sacrificed his whole life so that nobody would have to suffer the same fate as him.
@@MetalGearW0lf She's Big Boss mother figure. She wasn't his biological mother but she was the one that told him every value he kept with him through his life.
The only problem with all this is, When they made MGS1, They didn't know it would be so successful that there would be demand for sequels so they didn't actually write the plot this far in advanced. The little details in MGS4 are carefully rooted from MGS1's 10 year old plot. This is why Kojima brings Liquid back in MGS2, He didn't expect the character to be so popular after killing him off so he had to write him into the plot of MGS2 somehow.
Deep down every creator has thoughts about a sequel even if they think they're not making future games in the series. Why would Kojima introduce the Third Snake, Solidus Snake, in the post-credits scene of MGS1 then? 😉 The puzzle is further assembled with every title, but some plot points are purposely left open for a reason. Big Boss's return was one of them. - Python & Selkan
@@PythonSelkan That is a good point that creators probably have basic ideas & leave stuff open ended just in case, But I do also think they didnt think much further advance then MGS2 at the most. This is why they retcon a lot of stuff in order to make certain plot points or new characters fit for the sake of it like Dr Clark/Para or the Patriots stuff in 4.
Your vídeos are nice but I think Kojima wanted to stop on MGS2, after that all his games (Except Peace Walker) were about loss, misunderstood and characters being forced to do things they dont want to (Snake killing The Boss, Old Snake returning to the field) Kojima forced to make MGS3, 4, V . The themes of the games reflects on him (SCENE, SENSE and REVENGE) GENE, MEME and PEACE were positive life advices, unlike the others. Maybe thats how he got his REVENGE on us, because we all feel like we LOST our favorite series, because we LOST Kojima, A real Phantom Pain... I hope it's all intentional and someday the truth will be revealed...just like you say on your videos :)
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Have you ever considered that the events of “Truth” in MGSV take place after the events of Outer Heaven? To me it makes perfect sense since the Big Boss in MG2 has “robotic” features which alludes to Venom Snake. Therefore Venom Snake either visited Outer Heaven because he was invited there by Naked Snake and discovered the truth of his origins. Hence the “from here on out you’re Big Boss” meaning it’s time for you to carry the mantle since I’ve died. Why he plays the Operation Intrude tape to get acquainted with the events and learn about Solid Snake. Also it would explain as to why the resistance allied themselves to Big Boss since this one appeared different and up until that point didn’t considered himself a full demon. It’s the event leading up to the Zanzibar uprising in which he begins to consider himself as a demon since he is going against everything he believed in yet his title as Big Boss required him to be against everything he stood for. Also is it safe to assume that Campbell was part of the Patriots and was in Miller’s team in a sense since both aided Solid and were both close to Naked Snake. One help Naked Snake found Foxhound while the other one found MSF/Diamond Dogs and in a way were betrayed by Naked indirectly or directly
Damn bro, good video. Were you known by your name here on MGSF or something else? I use to be on there and still got an account, I was there back in the day when they were putting their theories about MGS4 and were pretty bang on with what they speculated.
I was there when you theorized about the body double and I laughed like everyone else. I had no idea you also predicted Big Boss being alive and making an appearance in MGS4 XD that's crazy
He was definitely teasing that Big Boss was still alive, but I wonder if the original plan was for another fight before he decided on the peaceful confrontation?
Long live Paradise Lost ! lol crazy how we are still uncovering this series after so long... i'm not surprised anymore but it begs the question : what are we still missing ? awesome video as always PythonSelkan !
Another big clue. If i recall correctly when my parents first got the game Big Boss was mentioned as a character in the pamphlet. If this is 100% correct: Kojima had mindfucks in the making over 22 years ago.
@@helsharidy123 Same here! I only realized the whole Decoy Octopus + FOXDIE situation two decades later because I suddenly recalled the little tidbit about Decoy's MO involving blood transfusion. Such an obvious little detail that was lost on 7-year-old me back in 1998 but somehow came back during my previous playthrough.
@@therealwinston3634 he's actually barely brought up past the first hour, if at all. Truthfully I don't think Kojimma had forsite because 2 was supposed to be the final release. If anything the body of big boss was just something to connect it to the first two games.
He just connected plot points in 4, it feels very fanservice-y. We were never supposed to know the patriots identity, and some things just changed for worse, like Meryl's personality making an 180' from mgs 1 to 4...
I think it's a stretch to say that Kojima was directly "hinting" at Big Boss being alive in MGS1. More likely, the time came in MGS4 to reveal once and for all what happened to him, and he saw an opening in the plot and jumped at the opportunity. Basically, Kojima went, "Well, we never said he WASN'T still alive!" Like any good writer, you make it seem as though you had everything planned out from the start, even if you didn't.
If Liquid was enemies with The Patriots, was HE the one Paradise Lost expected to win the battle vs Solid? 🤔 Did NO ONE pick David over Eli??? Actually... seems maybe Solidus DID. Solid was the tool of the Patriots in MG2, MGS, and MGS4. I actually feel like maybe Solidus was initially intended to BE Big Boss. His connection Raiden could've been showing us how Big Boss groomed Gray Fox. The case for Solidus' existence seemed pretty weak to me.
However, the caveat is that Eli is beyond the listening point when it comes to the topic of Big Boss. Not only did Eli despise Cipher for the LET project, he despises Big Boss too(to the point where in MGSV, Mantis chose Eli's hatred over both Skull Face's and the Man on Fire's). Liquid would almost certainly try to take down both sides of the conflict, Zero and his allies, as well as Big Boss's side. And no doubt when Eli does stage a revolt against Big Boss, EVA and Ocelot will be enemies of Liquid too. And to add, in MGS4, Philanthropy was more of a begrudging helper(not just a tool) to the Patriots, sure, they were oblivious to the fact that Drebin 893 and RAT PT 01 were sent by the Patriots, but Campbell also said that "we have no choice but to supplant the Patriots' System" due to the catastrophic consequences provided 'Liquid Ocelot' fully succeeds. It was only until they got Naomi that they truly could combat the Patriots, via FOXALIVE. Come to think of it, I think that's another thing that Big Boss meant when he said Solid had the "freedom to be 'outside'". Solid, unlike his brothers, was 'outside' in terms of the conflict between the Cipher founders(at least since starting Philanthropy), for Liquid was in opposition to both Zero's side(hated them for cloning him into existence with what he thought was inferior genes) and Big Boss's side(hated Big Boss because of the notion that Liquid felt, being confined to his father's genes therefore being forever in his shadow), and Solidus was made to be the perfect clone, and to an extent, the ideal puppet for the Patriots.
@@demonking86420 isn't that also why Solidus was also president, because of his remarkable likeness to big boss as well as his utility as a patriot asset? I was also confused as to the point of Solidus, it seemed his primary purpose for the grand narrative was to act as a body double for the real big boss. His monologue at the end of MGS2 also seems to indicate that even knowing his role as a patriot asset, he still had plans to resist just as Liquid wanted.
@@iwannabethekid34xc I think snake would have been startled at first seeing him run but then calm himself realizing there’s no way BB could have survived that fight and look exactly the same age for like what 8 years at that point?
I'd like to believe everything was set up from the beginning, but knowing kojima, it's more likelly he "reverse engieneered" every detail from the previous games so that everything fit so perfectly
Python, just wanna say I thoroughly enjoy your videos. It amazes me to watch the level of detail that goes into each game. That being said, the one thing i've learned from watching your videos is that Kojima puts a lot of attention to his game, and intentionally puts things in for others to overlook as little details that end up being another piece to the big puzzle. I've been going over the cutscenes and dialogue of each game, currently looking at MGS and MGS:TS. At first I wanted to say that the dialogue being different in some places, like Baker calling "Bribes" as "Good business practices" in MGS and something about the "Militiary Industrial Complex" in TS, as subtle hints of this, but I found out that Jeremy Blaustein had some issue with Kojima about how the script turned out. But then I started thinking about the cutscenes and how over the top they were compare to the original. Yes, it could be said that was just a byproduct of having better tech to make cutscenes, but I have another thought: MGS was what really happened, TS is how people believed it to happen. Between MGS and MGS2, Nastasha put out her book "In the Darkness of Shadow Moses" and readers imaginations started to run wild. Certain cutscenes made me think of this. The way snake fights the tank, the jumping off the rocket to shoot down the Hind, but it's Gray Fox that really makes me look at it. For one, just before the rescue of Otacon, Gray Fox killed all those soldiers. In one room, he was covered in blood, but is clean when he fights Snake. In the same room, he cuts a soldier in half, but the pieces are gone when the screen transitions. Lastly, after the fight, he freaks out and proceeds to destroy most, if not all, of the equipment in the room. Yet in MGS4, all you can see are some impacts and bullet holes along the walls, and Snake and Otacon even use the equipment to scan the security cameras. If TS is really how Kojima wanted to portray Snake's mission, shouldn't he have kept that particular detail in mind? In short, MGS is gritty reality, and MGS:TS is truth mixed with fiction from the minds of readers of Nastasha's book. I'm hoping to see some discussion in this thread. Twin Snakes is an underrated game IMO and doesn't get enough love. Keep up the good work!
I wish Konami would take their head out their butt and do MGS right. Just remake MGS 1, 3, Peacewalker, MG 1, and MG 2 solid snake with the fox engine and open world. Its an easy sale with almost guaranteed success, with assets you already own.
Konami is gonna fuck it up man , they already made that shitty ass shitty metal gear solid zombie game , Hell forget Konami Hideo Kojima himself has fucked metal gear solid up 😂 MGS V garbage , so I don’t know about all that
@@QFilmz Kojima himself was forced by Konami to make MGSV (Kojima at the time was experimenting with Silent Hill Game) then forced to make MGSV. And dont forget MGSV was pretty much an unifinished product
Great job making this video. It really deserves way more than just 32k views. You deserve a lot man, maybe a brief vocal explaination would've been better than wall of text, but it's your choice after all, still enjoyed it the most. Thank you for unlocking some memories in my brain... Might gonna play soon again the MGS saga.
I remember how i was on the "hate on nanomachines" bandwagon when mgs4 was out and i was a teenager, but man when i replayed all 7 main mgs games (yes i still count MPO as canon) not long ago alongside real life actuality, the story us just incredibly massive, and i just can't believe Kojima was so ahead of its time, i fear to say, even ahead of itself. Man i love this game series so much!
While I imagine it wasn't necessarily planned from the very start, at least in the way it ultimately played out in MGS4, it is certainly clear that Kojima was toying with the idea of the deceased not staying dead as early as MGS1 with all the talks about Big Boss' cells and Gray Fox being brought back from death. Regardless of whether it was some carefully laid setup or just a stroke of good luck with the writing leaving plenty of wiggle room, it was certainly one of the better twists Kojima had made compared to others, since there was a lot more to it than just "Nanomachines, son!"
same man.. its such a shame that we cant play mgs3 and 4 on PC. PW works great on an emulator but you will need a good pc for mgs3 and mgs4, which just makes me mad lol. And the worst part is, that my brother lost my PS3..
@@AJZulu My PS3 Slim is still good last I checked because one of my younger brothers wanted to play Peace Walker with me. And I was playing the MGS HD Collection straight from a Disc.
@@guilhermecaiado5384 Basically. Much scarier was how accurate Kojima was with how conspiratorial and nepotic and self centered and egocentrically motivated our geopolitical situation is. For decades in his stories, countless civilians suffered and died in horrific wars, and all of these wars had been orchestrated by a small group of insatiably greedy and power hungry narcissists who are incapable of considering the effects of their actions. It's all about control. It's all about power. And until we resist, like Kojima warns, it will only worsen from here on.
@@dibs0equiped Funny that both series revolves around one soldier. In 1st, a single soldier unknowingly changes the fate of entire universe, becoming a legend. In 2nd Entire world revolves around one legendary soldier, which fight so that everyone could choose their fate. Funny thing Both soldiers names start with J. John/Jane and Jack ;)
The paradise lost army hired Naomi hunters brother to kill Dr.Clark. Ocelot and Eva were part of this army and also in mgsv Ocelot says what if I'm a spy or you we could go on all day he's great at getting people to trust up until the last second also his loyalty is always changing but since the main goal was to free Big Boss and to kill the O.G members of the patriots. He needed to make it believable that he didn't help sneak in the ninja so I think losing a hand is a reasonable price to sell your story.
at 1:18 that sound effect foreshadows the Peace Walker incident, you know that 'Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker AI Pod song' sort of foreshadows how AI's are in control
Three things ill never forgive Metal gear for: 1- Meryl story conclusion (She doesn't need a man to be happy, she was a kickass soldier). 2- The Vamp & Naomi story (such wasted potential for Vamp after his enigmatic and cool introduction in sons of liberty). 3- The fact that Quadrilogy doesn't have an HD/4K re-release on PC or PS4/5 (I know its Konami fault, fuck you Konami). One would think the greatest game series of all time deserves such treatment but instead it was shelved like any normal forgotten game.
Por eso se ocupa un MGS6 hecho por Kojima que empiece con la misión 51 de MGS5 y acabe en el inicio de la "Operación Intrude N313". That is why we need a MGS 6 made by Kojima starting with the mission 51 from MGS5 and ending at the beginning of "Operation Intrude N313".
This channel has tought me things about the story that i never noticed bsck then, i did have my theory of Big Boss being alive but Kojima brilliantly held us at bay until MGS 4. I love this franchise. Imo, the greatest storytelling in video games history.
And then MGS V came and kicked our teeth in for no reason, offering a perspective on the whole situation that the franchise never needed or offered any useful details.
A half truth, MGSV never really had any relevance unless we look at a minor detail. Who did snake kill in the original metal gear? it clearly wasnt big boss. But MGSV cleared that up. the burnt remains of big boss wasnt big boss, but rather that was venom snake and lets be honest he was just as skilled as big boss. making him the perfect recipe for those genome soliders. Alas MGSV was technically telling that story............But konami was just greedy for money and rushed the whole thing so yeah
Venom Snake was the Big Boss from the first Metal Gear. The real Big Boss was the one burned in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. Snake's revenge is not canon
Let's just have this uploader continue the msg story on behalf of Kojima his videos on phantom pain theories before that game came out were better then what we got
the way i see it is that Big boss never really died in the hands of Solid snake to begin with. that was Venom Snake from MGSV. i could be wrong as i never finished MGSV, so i am not sure if they ever revealed something which mentioned something that could prove me right or wrong.
Naomi said that the Genome Army can't go public and that was also true. Even Baker said that his company is finished if the Rex project goes public. The DARPA Chiefs death was a bigger deal that we originally believe. The fact that MGS 2 and 4 explain this points makes MGS so much better than before.
It's interesting because Kojima clearly fell in love with Big Boss as the series progressed, even though the most recent canon material up to that point had him be "dead," or more like permanently sidelined. Hence why about half the series is about the character, despite how he was a colossal piece of shit to the world. That's something that never sat right with me. The series pays lip service to the idea that Big Boss was terrorist, but never had the balls to show him doing anything villainous. It's only ever alluded to as what he did in-between games, and the focus was always on how he did it for the sake of the men of his psudo-nation. It would have been really narratively satisfying to see Big Boss finally making what are clearly evil decisions in MGS5, but Kojima chickened out by making that game not even about Big Boss, and not even including the villainy. Metal Gear will always be special to me, but the later half of the series is a complete mess that worsens the stories that came before as it got more and more contrived to tie them all together.
6:11 if anyone can help me, I would be so happy. This is the exposition music for the president talking about Arsenal Gear in MGS2, but what is the official name for the song, or can anyone link me to the song, as I want to listen to it without the exposition. I’ve been trying to find it but no luck.
He was dead before MGS1 took place. Solid Snake killed him in MG1, and then he "killed" the real Big Boss in MG2. Venom didn't have any relevance to the clues that Big Boss was still alive.
question: what happened to ''us'' Venom Snake from MGS5? Is he the one who died in the first MG of the MSX2? and the body with just the torso that appears when Eva sees it catch fire, could it be the body of Venom Skane? I'm confused, I need my cigarette.
I always thought on replays of MGS that when Miller is accusing Naomi, Colonel says "Different group? It couldn't be." that this was the first series reference to the Patriots. If as you are suggesting it was actually a reference to Paradise Lost then could you tell me if there are any other references to the Patriots in MGS or are they first introduced in MGS2?
So if Gray fox and Ocelot were fighting for Big Boss freedom, why the ninja cut his arm off ? I also I don’t get why FOXDIE was altered to infect Ocelot if Naomi and him were fighting for Big Boss freedom as well.
i always wondered what made paramedic from the happy go lucky medic in mgs3 to dr mengele because it couldn't just be because zero asked/threatended her
Had no idea a Paradise Lost reference was in MGS1. ⭐️🌈. The more you know. Colonels knowledge of Big Boss always seemed fishy. I really want more Grey Fox detail though. The man is such an enigma but still so very important.
he had lost his memory at this moment for him ocelot was an enely of snake he didnt wanted sanke to be killed but someone else than him until his memory got back
4:43 eu sou brasileiro e estou tentando entender... essa parte confirma q o Venom Snake morreu lá no Metal Gear de 8 bits, mas reviveram ele, e fizeram experimentos, tornando ele no Gray Fox?
If ocelot and Naomi including gray fox were all working together why did gray fox sliced oclets hand off? If they were working together.. makes no sense or did he do it to save snakes life?
MGS1 already established that you can remake a corpse just from one strand of DNA. MGS4 said that you can remake a corpse, but you can also reanimate it too.
So why did Grey Fox chop off Ocelot's hand? Just to avoid suspicion from Liquid that they were working together? I feel Ocelot would have some objections to that plan.
I have do admit: Ocelot was a complete and utterly genius. He had EVERYONE fooled, for the sake of reviving his best friend, Big Boss, by destroying the Patriots in the only way he thought of..
As a screenwriter myself, Kojima's writing skills have always amazed me. He managed to connect every MGS in 28 years; but nonlinear. Screenplays and storyboards always have structures. I truly want to hear Kojima's way of writing because he managed to overcome barriers that some of the greatest film and theater screenwriters and novelists have not yet touched. And we are talking about videogames. This is a work of art.
We need artists like Kojima in the gaming industry!
That's why till these days I can't take serious The Phantom Pain; I don't need it, MGS4 is the "real" ending.
If only the narrative would have that plot twist with a «relevant» character instead of some random medical, jesus.
Kojima didnt write it...
I believe he makes a year by year outline of events and then only handled the writing of major events allowing minor interconnections to be fleshed out by writers beneath him.
I remember my mom saying: "I think Big Boss is alive, that's why nobody is telling the truth to Snake".
She knew...
Holy F your mom must be working with the Patriots! Put her under arrest!
i mean naomi kept saying big boss was alive... but the fact that she was the "third party" spy in the events of MGS1 and MGS4. so it was hard to take in her input as truth
Your mom is a wise old oak🧠
Awesome you played mgs1 with your mother. What an experience :)
Lol cool
Even today, the writing of MGS1 still a masterpiece
I put on the mgs 1 playthrough while I work and I just listen. Listen while I work. This is what evolution in gaming is all about.
Why "even today"?
@@nifftbatuff676 because of the years that have passed, some writing doesn't age well, MGS is an exception
You're... I mean, it's pretty good.
THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!
Considering his appearance in the MGS1 handbook is pretty much identical to his MGS4 appearance I’m sure Kojima always had some sort of ultimate plan for his character.. maybe.
But it's identical to his codec picture in Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake
@redgangman That's what madness does to people
or maybe he based his mgs4 appearance on his mgs1 handbook appearance :o
@@mcgingster9434 only the PS2 and later versions. The original MSX release had completely different images for characters; Big Boss looked like Sean Connery.
Man I want to see a game set in the MG1/MG2 era. Especially Zanzibar intrigues me. Imagine a reworked version of "Zanzibar Breeze" :D
That is what I was hoping for the story of MGS5 at first. I was hoping that Kojima and Konami would tell us the whole story after snake eater and before MGS1.
I´m afraid we will never see a proper remake of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake.
What a shame...
Maybe we will get atleast a remake version of MGS1 someday. There are rumors for a PS5 version in the works.
It'd be sick, they would close the Circle
@Jacopo Ceretta get to kill vemon and big boss.so u think vemon or big boss trained solid snake?maybe so this time it was vemon
@@eltadashi1 After Snake Eater comes the events of Peace Walker. Explaining that BB and his crew became "Gun for Hire" or Militares Sans Frontier and then created the Mother Base which was a "gift" from Vlad. After defeating Basilisk (A.I Operated Metal Gear created by Coldman), MSF created MG ZEKE, in which Paz double crossed BB and Kaz where Paz was blasted to the sea and her body was not found which was then revealed that during MGSV GZ that she was held captive. If I'm correct the time that MSF was attacked and when Paz was detonated was the beginning of the MGSV PP, and during the end scene of PP where the Outer Haven alarms are going and Venom Snake was realizing he was not BB was the start of the first Metal Gear(Not Metal Gear Solid 1), which signifies that BB was alive and it was VS which was killed by Snake
I need that so much
A new version of Zanzibar Breeze should be awesome too
Who would have thought the biggest plot twist was in mgs1 all along
that’s practically a plot twist in itself
Kojima did..
Played us like a damn 🎻❕
What a twist!.
Dont forget that Solidus was the president at the time of Shadow Moses incident.
Liquid was demanding to him the remains of Big Boss and that money.
But Solid was sent to do the dirty work.
Liquid had the best genes, Solid had the worst and Solidus was (in theory better than both)
After Natasha Romanenko went public, things couldnt happen as before.
Ocelot knew Big Boss was alive, but couldnt reach him, since he was designed the mission of training Liquid and helping him out; while Miller trained Solid.
Im pretty sure Ocelot convinced Liquid to pressure Solidus with Rex, maybe Zero was training Solidus and the 3 were struggling for the control of the philosophers legacy, but Eva had some control of it too.
Eva gave her life for the Solidus remains, believing it was Big Boss.
Im pretty much sure few people knew the whereabouts of Big Boss, Zero was tracking him, but couldnt find, even with all the Patriots' AIs.
After Liquid failed, Ocelot took his role in a bigger scheme of defeating Zero and his Solidus.
But against the odds, Solid, without Miller, managed to disrupt it all.
Omg I like this comment section
Solid had the best genes!
@@luketom2507 they made him think he was the better clone, but in truth he was the worst... He had all the recessive genes of big boss and was (in theory) doomed to be overshadowed by the other two clones. In mgs2 he proved that to be fundamentaly wrong, as Raiden was trained among who knows how many soldiers according to Solids' mission in Shadow Moses via VR tech was deemed to be another supersoldier peering closer to Big Boss' and Solids' legasy , proving that big boss was just a charismatic, talented, clever individual and there are many other like him in the world, like jack (raiden), David (solid) and Joy (the boss). Even the game said, anyone can become Big Boss or Solid Snake given enough training and conditioning.
@@luketom2507 no
@@luketom2507 he has the dominant ones but not the best ones
This made realize Ocelot let Grey Fox chop off his hand as part of the plan, man’s dedication to Big Boss is outstanding
Ocelot was the ultimate bro
Loyal to his mom too
I think Gray Fox chopped Ocelot's hand on his own accord because he wanted to face Snake in a battle to the death and may have not been part of any plan. Gray Fox said later on that he was losing himself
I said it once and I'll say it again mgs4 tied the games into one perfectly. The whole story finally gets told from beginning to end and it was brilliant.
Good catch though iv lived and breathed metal gear since I was 4 years old and I never caught that one
too bad the "gameplay" was lacking
(and I say that as someone who played MGS4 as his first MG-game)
Dude I always say Metal Gear Solid is one of the few games in history that ever had a beginning and an eventual end. Yeah Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain came later which were great for gameplay, ehhh, for story, but I really didn't need much story at that point. MGS4 might not have been the best gameplay game but omfg did it explain so many unanswered questions that the other 3 games brought. This is the greatest franchise in video game history wth the baddest protagonist ever. I'll be a hundred and tell my great grand kids about this masterpiece.
The legacy of Metal Gear Solid will never die
crazy how theres multiple youtube channels dedicated to the lore .
i love playing these types of videos in the background
@Revolutions88 especially if remake happens
There was always that underlying feeling for me that Big Boss wasn’t dead and he was somewhere but we didn’t know where or how he was still alive. We didn’t know much about him during the pre-MGS2 and 4 days and he seemed to important to just be a rogue soldier that turned bad. Love MGS so much!!
@Cuban I always thought he'd show up as the final boss fight in series
The ending of MGS4 is so powerful.
"Eva, Ocelot, Gray Fox & Naomi all fought for Big Boss's freedom until their very end. After 15 long years... "Paradise Lost" won the war against The Patriots.
Big Boss was free...
... to make peace with his son, pay respect to his mother & mentor for the last time, and finally, to die as his own man."
My heart. Ahh the emotional upheaveal I had when I beat this game for the first time. Cried my eyes out
o7 - Salute
Mother? The Boss isn't Big Boss' mother. She's Ocelots mother.
I've wanted to write something similar, but you've done it better than I would. These four were fighting for Big Boss, so he could spend the rest of his living days for himself. Not as a Hero, or a Villan. Or even a soldier. But as a Free man. Free of the everlasting war, or manipulations by the Patriots. That's why he said to Snake to live rest of his days. To enjoy the rest of his life in peace. So he could live as a person, not as a soldier. Big boss sacrificed his whole life so that nobody would have to suffer the same fate as him.
@@MetalGearW0lf She's Big Boss mother figure. She wasn't his biological mother but she was the one that told him every value he kept with him through his life.
The only problem with all this is, When they made MGS1, They didn't know it would be so successful that there would be demand for sequels so they didn't actually write the plot this far in advanced. The little details in MGS4 are carefully rooted from MGS1's 10 year old plot. This is why Kojima brings Liquid back in MGS2, He didn't expect the character to be so popular after killing him off so he had to write him into the plot of MGS2 somehow.
Deep down every creator has thoughts about a sequel even if they think they're not making future games in the series. Why would Kojima introduce the Third Snake, Solidus Snake, in the post-credits scene of MGS1 then? 😉 The puzzle is further assembled with every title, but some plot points are purposely left open for a reason. Big Boss's return was one of them.
- Python & Selkan
@@PythonSelkan That is a good point that creators probably have basic ideas & leave stuff open ended just in case, But I do also think they didnt think much further advance then MGS2 at the most. This is why they retcon a lot of stuff in order to make certain plot points or new characters fit for the sake of it like Dr Clark/Para or the Patriots stuff in 4.
Your vídeos are nice but I think Kojima wanted to stop on MGS2, after that all his games (Except Peace Walker) were about loss, misunderstood and characters being forced to do things they dont want to (Snake killing The Boss, Old Snake returning to the field) Kojima forced to make MGS3, 4, V .
The themes of the games reflects on him (SCENE, SENSE and REVENGE)
GENE, MEME and PEACE were positive life advices, unlike the others.
Maybe thats how he got his REVENGE on us, because we all feel like we LOST our favorite series, because we LOST Kojima, A real Phantom Pain... I hope it's all intentional and someday the truth will be revealed...just like you say on your videos :)
So glad I found this channel. Finding out so much stuff about a story I thought I already knew everything about.
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Really liking this editing style. It's sleek & flows well. Is that what sleek means ? Anyway , good stuff!
Have you ever considered that the events of “Truth” in MGSV take place after the events of Outer Heaven? To me it makes perfect sense since the Big Boss in MG2 has “robotic” features which alludes to Venom Snake. Therefore Venom Snake either visited Outer Heaven because he was invited there by Naked Snake and discovered the truth of his origins. Hence the “from here on out you’re Big Boss” meaning it’s time for you to carry the mantle since I’ve died. Why he plays the Operation Intrude tape to get acquainted with the events and learn about Solid Snake. Also it would explain as to why the resistance allied themselves to Big Boss since this one appeared different and up until that point didn’t considered himself a full demon. It’s the event leading up to the Zanzibar uprising in which he begins to consider himself as a demon since he is going against everything he believed in yet his title as Big Boss required him to be against everything he stood for. Also is it safe to assume that Campbell was part of the Patriots and was in Miller’s team in a sense since both aided Solid and were both close to Naked Snake. One help Naked Snake found Foxhound while the other one found MSF/Diamond Dogs and in a way were betrayed by Naked indirectly or directly
Damn bro, good video. Were you known by your name here on MGSF or something else?
I use to be on there and still got an account, I was there back in the day when they were putting their theories about MGS4 and were pretty bang on with what they speculated.
I was there when you theorized about the body double and I laughed like everyone else. I had no idea you also predicted Big Boss being alive and making an appearance in MGS4 XD that's crazy
You were the perfect clone.
I can't believe the MGS saga is over. my favorite frachise
He was definitely teasing that Big Boss was still alive, but I wonder if the original plan was for another fight before he decided on the peaceful confrontation?
Long live Paradise Lost ! lol crazy how we are still uncovering this series after so long... i'm not surprised anymore but it begs the question : what are we still missing ? awesome video as always PythonSelkan !
Another big clue. If i recall correctly when my parents first got the game Big Boss was mentioned as a character in the pamphlet.
If this is 100% correct: Kojima had mindfucks in the making over 22 years ago.
He was mentioned in the pamphlet. I remember that pamphlet, I read that shit for hours as a kid.
haven't played MGS1 (yet), but isn't he also mentioned hundred times in-game?
He is shown in the manuel.
@@helsharidy123 Same here! I only realized the whole Decoy Octopus + FOXDIE situation two decades later because I suddenly recalled the little tidbit about Decoy's MO involving blood transfusion. Such an obvious little detail that was lost on 7-year-old me back in 1998 but somehow came back during my previous playthrough.
@@therealwinston3634 he's actually barely brought up past the first hour, if at all.
Truthfully I don't think Kojimma had forsite because 2 was supposed to be the final release. If anything the body of big boss was just something to connect it to the first two games.
I don't think Kojima had planned that far. He had already decided to leave Metal Gear twice. After MGS2 and after MGS3.
He didn't need to plan this for a game. Big boss could've just been alive without there being an mgs 4
He just connected plot points in 4, it feels very fanservice-y. We were never supposed to know the patriots identity, and some things just changed for worse, like Meryl's personality making an 180' from mgs 1 to 4...
I think it's a stretch to say that Kojima was directly "hinting" at Big Boss being alive in MGS1. More likely, the time came in MGS4 to reveal once and for all what happened to him, and he saw an opening in the plot and jumped at the opportunity. Basically, Kojima went, "Well, we never said he WASN'T still alive!"
Like any good writer, you make it seem as though you had everything planned out from the start, even if you didn't.
Keep up the great work. I was about 12 when I played Mgs1, my favorite game to this day.
I was I think 13 so pretty cool you been playing as long as I have! !!
If Liquid was enemies with The Patriots, was HE the one Paradise Lost expected to win the battle vs Solid? 🤔 Did NO ONE pick David over Eli??? Actually... seems maybe Solidus DID. Solid was the tool of the Patriots in MG2, MGS, and MGS4. I actually feel like maybe Solidus was initially intended to BE Big Boss. His connection Raiden could've been showing us how Big Boss groomed Gray Fox. The case for Solidus' existence seemed pretty weak to me.
However, the caveat is that Eli is beyond the listening point when it comes to the topic of Big Boss. Not only did Eli despise Cipher for the LET project, he despises Big Boss too(to the point where in MGSV, Mantis chose Eli's hatred over both Skull Face's and the Man on Fire's). Liquid would almost certainly try to take down both sides of the conflict, Zero and his allies, as well as Big Boss's side. And no doubt when Eli does stage a revolt against Big Boss, EVA and Ocelot will be enemies of Liquid too.
And to add, in MGS4, Philanthropy was more of a begrudging helper(not just a tool) to the Patriots, sure, they were oblivious to the fact that Drebin 893 and RAT PT 01 were sent by the Patriots, but Campbell also said that "we have no choice but to supplant the Patriots' System" due to the catastrophic consequences provided 'Liquid Ocelot' fully succeeds. It was only until they got Naomi that they truly could combat the Patriots, via FOXALIVE. Come to think of it, I think that's another thing that Big Boss meant when he said Solid had the "freedom to be 'outside'". Solid, unlike his brothers, was 'outside' in terms of the conflict between the Cipher founders(at least since starting Philanthropy), for Liquid was in opposition to both Zero's side(hated them for cloning him into existence with what he thought was inferior genes) and Big Boss's side(hated Big Boss because of the notion that Liquid felt, being confined to his father's genes therefore being forever in his shadow), and Solidus was made to be the perfect clone, and to an extent, the ideal puppet for the Patriots.
@@demonking86420 isn't that also why Solidus was also president, because of his remarkable likeness to big boss as well as his utility as a patriot asset? I was also confused as to the point of Solidus, it seemed his primary purpose for the grand narrative was to act as a body double for the real big boss. His monologue at the end of MGS2 also seems to indicate that even knowing his role as a patriot asset, he still had plans to resist just as Liquid wanted.
@@iwannabethekid34xc I think snake would have been startled at first seeing him run but then calm himself realizing there’s no way BB could have survived that fight and look exactly the same age for like what 8 years at that point?
I'd like to believe everything was set up from the beginning, but knowing kojima, it's more likelly he "reverse engieneered" every detail from the previous games so that everything fit so perfectly
This whole game should be as heavy as a series show like Game of Thrones... Way too much content and so much to uncover...
God damn that ending smooth
I remember the skinny BB was already featured in the chara drawings back in 2006.
Python, just wanna say I thoroughly enjoy your videos. It amazes me to watch the level of detail that goes into each game. That being said, the one thing i've learned from watching your videos is that Kojima puts a lot of attention to his game, and intentionally puts things in for others to overlook as little details that end up being another piece to the big puzzle. I've been going over the cutscenes and dialogue of each game, currently looking at MGS and MGS:TS. At first I wanted to say that the dialogue being different in some places, like Baker calling "Bribes" as "Good business practices" in MGS and something about the "Militiary Industrial Complex" in TS, as subtle hints of this, but I found out that Jeremy Blaustein had some issue with Kojima about how the script turned out. But then I started thinking about the cutscenes and how over the top they were compare to the original. Yes, it could be said that was just a byproduct of having better tech to make cutscenes, but I have another thought: MGS was what really happened, TS is how people believed it to happen. Between MGS and MGS2, Nastasha put out her book "In the Darkness of Shadow Moses" and readers imaginations started to run wild. Certain cutscenes made me think of this. The way snake fights the tank, the jumping off the rocket to shoot down the Hind, but it's Gray Fox that really makes me look at it. For one, just before the rescue of Otacon, Gray Fox killed all those soldiers. In one room, he was covered in blood, but is clean when he fights Snake. In the same room, he cuts a soldier in half, but the pieces are gone when the screen transitions. Lastly, after the fight, he freaks out and proceeds to destroy most, if not all, of the equipment in the room. Yet in MGS4, all you can see are some impacts and bullet holes along the walls, and Snake and Otacon even use the equipment to scan the security cameras. If TS is really how Kojima wanted to portray Snake's mission, shouldn't he have kept that particular detail in mind?
In short, MGS is gritty reality, and MGS:TS is truth mixed with fiction from the minds of readers of Nastasha's book. I'm hoping to see some discussion in this thread. Twin Snakes is an underrated game IMO and doesn't get enough love. Keep up the good work!
Outer Heaven and Zanzibar destroyed. New group called Paradise Lost. Big Boss fakes his own death to destroy Cipher.
@PythonSelkanHD This video was beautiful PythonSelkan! Thank you this crucial piece of the puzzle for all eternity! Kind regards.
We wanted New MGS , so simple!
Any estimated date until your MGS5 Ultimate Analysis will be released?
I'll gladly watch that.
Mgs v. Not 5
all that trouble to free BB and for him to die like 30 mins. later to Foxdie lol
He needed to be free from the dead life. He was finally free to die.
I’d argue that it was a Pyrrhic victory, but at least he was free of their control.🤷🏻♂️
Ocelot and Eva idolized and loved Big Boss. Of course they won't let Big Boss go on like that.
This is so excellent. I love this series so much.
I wish Konami would take their head out their butt and do MGS right. Just remake MGS 1, 3, Peacewalker, MG 1, and MG 2 solid snake with the fox engine and open world. Its an easy sale with almost guaranteed success, with assets you already own.
Konami is gonna fuck it up man , they already made that shitty ass shitty metal gear solid zombie game , Hell forget Konami Hideo Kojima himself has fucked metal gear solid up 😂 MGS V garbage , so I don’t know about all that
@@QFilmz Kojima himself was forced by Konami to make MGSV (Kojima at the time was experimenting with Silent Hill Game) then forced to make MGSV. And dont forget MGSV was pretty much an unifinished product
No way. When MGS came out, even Kojima had no idea Big Boss was still alive.
Love this type of videos! Keep it up Big Boss! 🔥
Great job making this video. It really deserves way more than just 32k views. You deserve a lot man, maybe a brief vocal explaination would've been better than wall of text, but it's your choice after all, still enjoyed it the most. Thank you for unlocking some memories in my brain... Might gonna play soon again the MGS saga.
I remember how i was on the "hate on nanomachines" bandwagon when mgs4 was out and i was a teenager, but man when i replayed all 7 main mgs games (yes i still count MPO as canon) not long ago alongside real life actuality, the story us just incredibly massive, and i just can't believe Kojima was so ahead of its time, i fear to say, even ahead of itself. Man i love this game series so much!
While I imagine it wasn't necessarily planned from the very start, at least in the way it ultimately played out in MGS4, it is certainly clear that Kojima was toying with the idea of the deceased not staying dead as early as MGS1 with all the talks about Big Boss' cells and Gray Fox being brought back from death. Regardless of whether it was some carefully laid setup or just a stroke of good luck with the writing leaving plenty of wiggle room, it was certainly one of the better twists Kojima had made compared to others, since there was a lot more to it than just "Nanomachines, son!"
I didn't know that.
I still want MGS4 in 60 Frames PerSeconds. And officially on PC... Along with MGS3 and probably Peace Walker?
we can only dream. Sadly Konami's a bunch of !@#kheads
same man.. its such a shame that we cant play mgs3 and 4 on PC. PW works great on an emulator but you will need a good pc for mgs3 and mgs4, which just makes me mad lol. And the worst part is, that my brother lost my PS3..
Yeah. Same here. My PS3 is toast and I can't play my copy of MGS4 now.
@@AJZulu My PS3 Slim is still good last I checked because one of my younger brothers wanted to play Peace Walker with me. And I was playing the MGS HD Collection straight from a Disc.
Those 1st 2 Metal gear games need to be remade more than MGS in my opinion.
Yeah and MGS1 does not need remade. It is perfect the way it is. A remake would only be worse.
Foxdie alone was warning about social distancing. Kojima...21st century prophet
What about AI's controlling content on social medias and streaming to forge people's mindset?
The Selection for Societal Sanity has mailed. THE REAPERS ARE GOING BACK TO THEIR HOME PLANET. Will they return in a century? oNLY tIME Will Tell.
Not really but ok
@@guilhermecaiado5384 Basically. Much scarier was how accurate Kojima was with how conspiratorial and nepotic and self centered and egocentrically motivated our geopolitical situation is. For decades in his stories, countless civilians suffered and died in horrific wars, and all of these wars had been orchestrated by a small group of insatiably greedy and power hungry narcissists who are incapable of considering the effects of their actions. It's all about control. It's all about power. And until we resist, like Kojima warns, it will only worsen from here on.
@@dibs0equiped Funny that both series revolves around one soldier. In 1st, a single soldier unknowingly changes the fate of entire universe, becoming a legend. In 2nd Entire world revolves around one legendary soldier, which fight so that everyone could choose their fate. Funny thing Both soldiers names start with J. John/Jane and Jack ;)
Imagine that being the main characters name through the MGS series, "PYTHON SELKAAAAAAAN"
This is actually big.
Some R+L = J level of big. Well done, I'm sad I missed it before mgs4
R+L = J?
@@jharju2352 its a Game of Thrones reference, it stands for "Rhaegar + Lyanna= Jon" or something like that
Awesome guys, spot on, as always!
Amazing attention to detail!
Nothing escapes you :)
Masterful work, sir! Literally got goosebumps at the end.
2:00 I finally realised that ocelot was the one to get the Ninja into shadow Moses he's the spy omg I never took heed of it till now
Wait -explain more please!
Sure, and he told him to cut his hand too.
I don’t think Ocelot was the one to bring The cyborg Ninja to Shadow Moses. The line “can’t you even die right” suggests otherwise
The paradise lost army hired Naomi hunters brother to kill Dr.Clark. Ocelot and Eva were part of this army and also in mgsv Ocelot says what if I'm a spy or you we could go on all day he's great at getting people to trust up until the last second also his loyalty is always changing but since the main goal was to free Big Boss and to kill the O.G members of the patriots. He needed to make it believable that he didn't help sneak in the ninja so I think losing a hand is a reasonable price to sell your story.
You guys NEVER disappoint, love it, well done
at 1:18 that sound effect foreshadows the Peace Walker incident, you know that 'Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker AI Pod song' sort of foreshadows how AI's are in control
I’m always happy to see a new upload, keep up the cool, great, work.😁👍
Three things ill never forgive Metal gear for:
1- Meryl story conclusion (She doesn't need a man to be happy, she was a kickass soldier).
2- The Vamp & Naomi story (such wasted potential for Vamp after his enigmatic and cool introduction in sons of liberty).
3- The fact that Quadrilogy doesn't have an HD/4K re-release on PC or PS4/5 (I know its Konami fault, fuck you Konami). One would think the greatest game series of all time deserves such treatment but instead it was shelved like any normal forgotten game.
Por eso se ocupa un MGS6 hecho por Kojima que empiece con la misión 51 de MGS5 y acabe en el inicio de la "Operación Intrude N313".
That is why we need a MGS 6 made by Kojima starting with the mission 51 from MGS5 and ending at the beginning of "Operation Intrude N313".
kojima is done.
This channel has tought me things about the story that i never noticed bsck then, i did have my theory of Big Boss being alive but Kojima brilliantly held us at bay until MGS 4. I love this franchise. Imo, the greatest storytelling in video games history.
And then MGS V came and kicked our teeth in for no reason, offering a perspective on the whole situation that the franchise never needed or offered any useful details.
A half truth, MGSV never really had any relevance unless we look at a minor detail. Who did snake kill in the original metal gear? it clearly wasnt big boss. But MGSV cleared that up. the burnt remains of big boss wasnt big boss, but rather that was venom snake and lets be honest he was just as skilled as big boss. making him the perfect recipe for those genome soliders. Alas MGSV was technically telling that story............But konami was just greedy for money and rushed the whole thing so yeah
@@diondharmaraja7417 And who died in Metal Gear 2?
The question never had to be answered in the first place.
Venom Snake was the Big Boss from the first Metal Gear. The real Big Boss was the one burned in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. Snake's revenge is not canon
@@husky4805 How come he didn't die after he was burned?
@@DMGaina what are you on about?
now im trying to fit Venom Snake and Big Boss on this timeline
Venom died by the hand of solid snake in outer heaven uprising in metal gear 2: solid snake, I think ;D
@@avalonxriv5079 no no venom snake died in zanzibar i think.
Love that music @ the end...always have. Brings back good memories.
Let's just have this uploader continue the msg story on behalf of Kojima his videos on phantom pain theories before that game came out were better then what we got
the way i see it is that Big boss never really died in the hands of Solid snake to begin with. that was Venom Snake from MGSV. i could be wrong as i never finished MGSV, so i am not sure if they ever revealed something which mentioned something that could prove me right or wrong.
Naomi said that the Genome Army can't go public and that was also true. Even Baker said that his company is finished if the Rex project goes public. The DARPA Chiefs death was a bigger deal that we originally believe. The fact that MGS 2 and 4 explain this points makes MGS so much better than before.
It's interesting because Kojima clearly fell in love with Big Boss as the series progressed, even though the most recent canon material up to that point had him be "dead," or more like permanently sidelined. Hence why about half the series is about the character, despite how he was a colossal piece of shit to the world.
That's something that never sat right with me. The series pays lip service to the idea that Big Boss was terrorist, but never had the balls to show him doing anything villainous. It's only ever alluded to as what he did in-between games, and the focus was always on how he did it for the sake of the men of his psudo-nation.
It would have been really narratively satisfying to see Big Boss finally making what are clearly evil decisions in MGS5, but Kojima chickened out by making that game not even about Big Boss, and not even including the villainy.
Metal Gear will always be special to me, but the later half of the series is a complete mess that worsens the stories that came before as it got more and more contrived to tie them all together.
The creation of Venom is an enormous act of evil by Big Boss
6:11 if anyone can help me, I would be so happy. This is the exposition music for the president talking about Arsenal Gear in MGS2, but what is the official name for the song, or can anyone link me to the song, as I want to listen to it without the exposition. I’ve been trying to find it but no luck.
This is so beautifully crafted
i love your videos man keep up the good work ♥
Even today new things are discovered from mgs , such a cool game
I love the story of metal gear namely the story between ocelot and Big Boss I think inside all of us we wish we had someone like that
That was so well done 👍
I had thought Solid Snake killed Big Boss until I seen secret ending when Big Boss and Zero came to the Graveyard with a surprised appearance on MGS4
I hate how Venom Snake is not even alluded to.
He was dead before MGS1 took place. Solid Snake killed him in MG1, and then he "killed" the real Big Boss in MG2. Venom didn't have any relevance to the clues that Big Boss was still alive.
Yea same, but in all fairness he probably wasn't even created yet in Kojima's mind
he is a retcon, of course he is never alluded to.
Who is hoping for MGS6? Bigger and better than MGS5, that ties everything together and answers all of the questions.
This is awesome. Thank you !
Long life to this saga
If they can bring Big Boss and Grey Fox back to life, why wouldn't some government officials bring Solid Snake back too...
next one: Augustine Eguabon AKA The Medic AKA Venom Snake!
who's augustine wahuaha? thats not a name that Venom went as.
Hes the one
question: what happened to ''us'' Venom Snake from MGS5? Is he the one who died in the first MG of the MSX2? and the body with just the torso that appears when Eva sees it catch fire, could it be the body of Venom Skane? I'm confused, I need my cigarette.
Kojima dropping seeds all over
Para medic was supposed to be venom snake though right
I always thought on replays of MGS that when Miller is accusing Naomi, Colonel says "Different group? It couldn't be." that this was the first series reference to the Patriots. If as you are suggesting it was actually a reference to Paradise Lost then could you tell me if there are any other references to the Patriots in MGS or are they first introduced in MGS2?
Awesome video. Thanks for the great effort
So if Gray fox and Ocelot were fighting for Big Boss freedom, why the ninja cut his arm off ? I also I don’t get why FOXDIE was altered to infect Ocelot if Naomi and him were fighting for Big Boss freedom as well.
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i always wondered what made paramedic from the happy go lucky medic in mgs3 to dr mengele because it couldn't just be because zero asked/threatended her
A blind obsession with science can override any moral concerns
" Hmmm..... You're pretty good."
I was always curious as to why Big Boss was featured in the book for the game on PS1, being the only character we dont see or talk to in the story.
Had no idea a Paradise Lost reference was in MGS1. ⭐️🌈. The more you know. Colonels knowledge of Big Boss always seemed fishy. I really want more Grey Fox detail though. The man is such an enigma but still so very important.
Ocelot! Is that you? Your name IS Adam after all.
Why would Gray Fox cut Ocelots hand off if they we're on the same side?
he had lost his memory at this moment for him ocelot was an enely of snake he didnt wanted sanke to be killed but someone else than him until his memory got back
4:43 eu sou brasileiro e estou tentando entender... essa parte confirma q o Venom Snake morreu lá no Metal Gear de 8 bits, mas reviveram ele, e fizeram experimentos, tornando ele no Gray Fox?
If ocelot and Naomi including gray fox were all working together why did gray fox sliced oclets hand off? If they were working together.. makes no sense or did he do it to save snakes life?
2:51 Omg soundtrack was so good.. I forgot how classical yet gothic it was..
Until we meet again..John..
What version of MGS1 are you playing? The text looks so good
Amazing work as always. God, I love the mgs franchise
Omg my first heart ever! Boss!!
"Kept you waiting, huh?" 😉
- Python & Selkan
VIC BOSS!
Lol👍
Fantastic video.
Fantastic series.
Have a fantastic day!
MGS1 already established that you can remake a corpse just from one strand of DNA. MGS4 said that you can remake a corpse, but you can also reanimate it too.
So why did Grey Fox chop off Ocelot's hand? Just to avoid suspicion from Liquid that they were working together? I feel Ocelot would have some objections to that plan.
Unbelievable. Thank you for making this
Excellent video
Don't forgot Big Boss was able to find and take Zero to Snake at the end of MGS4. As an old man, with a Fucked body. Greatest solder ever.
they played us like a damn fiddle
From the very beginning
I have do admit: Ocelot was a complete and utterly genius. He had EVERYONE fooled, for the sake of reviving his best friend, Big Boss, by destroying the Patriots in the only way he thought of..