Jeep XJ No SYE Double Cardan Shaft
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- The Jeep Cherokee XJ 2.5td gets a new rear double cardan driveshaft today and I wanted to say a big thanks to the guys who helped out on Pateron.
Hopefully this will clear up some driveline vibrations in the rear.
The front however is absolutely terrible and sadly needs a replacement.
Thanks for watching.
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Jeep Spec:
1999 Jeep Cherokee XJ 2.5TD RHD.
Summer Tire - 35x12.50r15 BFG KM3's with 15x8 3.75" backspacing (-19 offset).
Winter Tire - Cooper Discoverer ST MAXX Por Studded 35x12.50r15 BFG KM3's with 15x8 3.75" backspacing (-19 offset).
Lift Front - RC 4.5" Coils and N2 Shocks (3" Coil Spacer).
Front Shock Bar Pin Eliminator.
Dana 30 High Pinion with Artec Industries Lower Control Arm Mounts with modified upper mount and modified Track Bar mount.
Front RC Control Arm Drop Bracket.
Ruff Stuff Short Arm Single Himes.
RC Extended Sway Bar Links.
Dana 30 Rock Crusher Diff Cover.
Ruff Stuff One Ton OTK Steering.
6" Lift Drop Pitman Arm.
Ruff Stuff Front and Center Frame Stiffeners.
Rear DIY Frame Stiffener and Rear Frame Tie in Kit.
6" x 2" Box Rocker replacement with Tube Slider.
Modified Factory Bumper with Side Sliders.
Rear Tow Hitch Tire Carrier that bolts into Rear Frame Tie in Kit.
Modified upper Shock Crossmember for Rear Shocks
Rear Axle Chrysler 8.25 29 Spline with modified High Clearance Shock Mounts.
Rear Shocks 6.5" Trailmasters.
Rear Leaf Springs 5.5" Rubicon Express
Rear RC Shackle Relocation Bracket.
Stainless Steel Braided Brake Lines front and back.
Warrior 9500lb Winch.
Front Bumper - Ebay Custom Made.
Great video Mike, as always. It’s all in the detail so I for one thoroughly enjoy watching and listening to you explaining what you’re doing. You have a tremendous presenting style; calm, informative, and entertaining at times! Keep up the great work 👍🏼
The tough blue exterior mannol bit was hilarious. Im pretty sure we're here for the workshop vids; the camping vids are a plus. Cya on the next one Mike!
I saw your comment about finding the clutch is toast, hopefully it’s just the clutch and you can get back on the road again soon! When people talk about lifting Jeeps and stuff what doesn’t make it to a lot of social media is the secondary, tertiary, quaternary(!) effects a lift might have on other components. It’s not super simple!
I really enjoy your workshop vids, but I’m also looking forward to hearing about your family summer trips, for your sanity too!
Things can go pretty wrong when you lift these things. I want to drop mine about 2 inches at least just because I think that the hight is killing things. The clutch is ordered and hopefully it doesn't take too long. The weather is so nice, I'm dying man. I want to get out a bit so it's the nissan for now and hiking
Mike - love the metaphors today 🤣. The belly/ass comment made me laugh out loud. As one of the Patreons, I’m happy my paltry donations have gone onto the Jeep. Hope I’ll up my contribution soon - your content is far more valuable to me than the countless streaming subscriptions I pay for each month. This and MCQ Bushcraft are the best channels on the web…hope others join your Patreon soon…SO worth a few bucks a month to keep the content rolling. Cheers 🍻!!
Thank you, its a huge upgrade to be honest and hopefully it will save some maintenance down the line. Not feeling like your reentering the earths atmosphere in bake bean tin is quite nice to be honest. Although I've just pulled the entire transmission off and found my clutch is destroyed. Goof and bad as that's the source of the vibration.
Exactly! Forward progress at least. Enjoy the camping trip 👍👍
I lifted my wj and picked up a terrible vib in the back which I diddled with for nearly a year. I finally broke down and did a hack & Tap and used a spare front DC driveshaft on the back. This got rid of my long time rear vibs but mine did the same thing as yours because it seemed like I picked up a much more subtle front vib. It may have been there all along but the back was so bad I didn't notice it. Still working on that one. Nice vid!
Its been a pain in the ass on mine. I've managed to build a longer rear drive shaft which is working vibration free amazingly. I should send it off for balancing though.
The front is never ending... a bearing or something has gone in the np231 now. So loud 😫
Glad you got yours running smoother, hopefully you can get the front sorted 👍
Even without knowing about Max, I can tell from your sense of humour that you're a father.
Dear lord Ronald Mcdonald, please let Mike have a fantastic trip without any problems.
Loved the big reveal in the beginning with the map, thanks for the video again!
Wow Mike. I had no idea you are such a comedian. Great video!
Ouch rounding off the drain plug. One mantra drummed into me by friends when doing diff oil changes “always undo the fill plug before the drain plug”. I did round off a fill plug once… but luckily hadn’t undone the drain one. Also I have ground down the hex 24mm sockets flat so no bevel so the have more contact area since the rounding off mishap.
I ran this same style driveshaft for a long time with no issues other than with the driveshaft itself.
Do you want me to send you an sye kit? I have a ton of 231 parts I can send you a sye kit and a 6 pinion planet too so you can upgrade from the stock 3 pinion low range planet. Then if you get a wide chain kit you'd have the ultimate 231. There are some differences between 95 and newer transfer cases so I'd send you a 6 pinion planet for 95 and newer unless for some reason you have an older transfer case I'd need to know that. If I send you that stuff then maybe you can just hang onto it until your ready or build your spare t-case on the side. The sye kit upgrades your output shaft to 32 spline then I think the 6 pinion planet is a must I always stick one in. I'd highly suggest buying a wide chain kit too everything drops right in. I don't have a wide chain kit on hand that isn't in a transfer case. Im using an atlas transfer case now and my wife likes the np242 so she runs that. I have 5 complete np231 cases and 3 or 4 sye kits and a ton of parts so I'd love to send you some stuff if you want just let me know
Thats extremely generous. I would absolutely jump on the chance for an sye kit. It would be something I could build up In my spare time while accumulating parts to fit it like the wide chain kit and drive shaft. I had to pull my entire transmission off today as the source of the vibration is a disintegrated clutch. It's a job I've wanted to do for a while along side the rear main seal. But it will give me the chance to inspect the transmission and np231.
Did you have trouble with that shaft then? What specifically went wrong with it? With regards to the sye, that would be amazing but let me know on postage and such?
@@WorkshoptoWilderness I guess a bad clutch is better than other possible problems.
When I was running that same style driveshaft I kept having to take it apart and grease/clean the center piece in the middle of the double cardan because it would squeak and whine at certain speeds and it wouldn't stop unless i took it apart, i have the special greasing tip to grease them too but regular greasing didn't help. I also noticed it would get extremely hot. I've never had that issue with any other double cardan joint except the one on that driveshaft with the stock slip yoke im fairly certain it was just an issue with my specific joint. Otherwise it held up fine through a tremendous amount of abuse but I didn't have a lot of spline engagement at certain points when cycling the suspension.
I will get that sye kit together for you and a 6 pinion planet. Can I go back to that email and use your address and number on this package just like we did with the last package exactly how it's written?
I tried texting you a couple weeks ago and it didn't work I just want to make sure everything's still current. I'll probably email you when I get everything together to send that's a bit easier.
Another thing I forgot to mention is I've seen a shift fork upgrade but I've never done it. There's a guy on ebay who sells used parts from other transfer cases that fit in the 231 to beef them up and he had a shift fork advertised as an upgrade. But you should at least do the wide chain/sprockets.
I better keep an eye on it then. Its certainly a bit warm after some driving but it hasn't made any noise yet or gotten hot. Fingers crossed it stays that way. You can use the same number and email as before although I am unsure as to why the message didn't go through last time. The address is exactly as it was written last time also but any issues and I can send it all again in an email.
I would probabaly mark it as a gift and write a lower amount than the item is worth just so that the maffia don't milk me for everything I have. I pay 25 perent import duty on everything I order along with a handling fee. Customs are clever and they will look items up on the internet and value it if they can find it so calling it something like "spare car part" may stop them pricing up a SYE kit. Anyway its no issue either way but I can message you an email.
I will check out the chain kit and everything online. It will be nice to build it all up in the background, maybe get it all painted and install in next January when its dam cold outside. Thanks again!!
Stock wheelbase on a 4 door XJ is 105.51 inches. With a 3" lift on the Bumble Jeep, I came up almost an inch short. I am lifting to about 4.5" in the front, so I got a set of adjustable upper and lower control arms which I set to an inch longer than stock. I'll check the wheel base after I get the 4.5" lift coils installed and recheck the wheelbase. It's interesting how just changing fluids can help/hurt things like drive line vibrations. God bless and stay well.
I should check my wheel base given what you have said. Sadly the oil was rubbish, but its drained now so I will get the good stuff in.
Thanks for watching .
Hey man, glad to see an update. As for your drive line problem, I do know that an aw4 front shaft from a 6cyl is about 2-3 inches longer than an ax15 or ba/10 front shaft and all parts are compatible and will swap straight over between shafts. I don’t know if you could get your hands on one but I found out the difference the hard way after rebuilding fresh u joints and pressing them in that the lengths were different 😂
This is all for of course if you don’t already know. Seeing your build I don’t doubt this isn’t something you haven’t already found out. But I thought I’d mention it
Nice, I saw that online. its way longer than the diesel one. I'm going to buy that as Its pretty cheap and it will do me well until I get a tougher drive shaft. Thanks for the info!
@@WorkshoptoWilderness of course man. I love the videos and the build. So I’m sure you’ll see me commenting from time to time. Thanks for taking some time to respond! You have a good day man
I rebuilt my np242 and that opened up pandoras box, vibration started in the rear. You just did your gears like me and I found the pinion preload I set for 13 went to 5 and that was a major cause of it. I also saving up for a front Adams drive shaft. Thanks for sharing all your frustrations and your amazing build. :)
Ah man why did the preload drop so much? I just found the vibration today. I pulled the transmission and the clutch was toast. Its literally falling apart. Just when it all feels done another huge job arises. Sorry to hear of your vibration issues and hope its all good now.
if you are already running redline in the rear diff run the mt-90 in the gear box
Hi Mike been watching your channel for seven years but lost touch with it since you went to Sweden just found this your new channel watch the first one and I cannot believe the way you have changed your style even swearing which made me laugh your old style of Mr calm and calculated as gone look forward to watching some more of your videos
I'm just more myself to be honest. All my mates use to say how when they watched mcqbushcraft it wasn't me because I wasn't joking around. Takes a while to get comfortable infront of the camera, plus teaching is totally different to just doing. Anyway thanks for watching 👀 ☺️
@@WorkshoptoWilderness you have to be yourself Mike looking forward to watching more of your video's
I don't know if you have WJs where you live but some of those has Double Cardan front shafts that were 32 inches collapsed (u-joints on center) might be a good cheap shaft for the front for you.
Ah nice I didn't know that. We have WJs here. I actually found a shaft for an xj that was 30 inches long collapsed. It fits really well with room for movement. It said it was from a 1989 xj 4l
Can’t wait to see how you are setting up the back for camping. Will you ever go back to a rooftop tent? Obviously with having the boy come along you need the space but if it were ever just you and the Mrs…. Are rooftop tents really that good vs the cost?
The back is looking slick to be fair these days. I just really want a roof tent again now. Tech has moved on a lot and you can pick up a good tent for not a crazy price. I miss my roof tent for convenience, comfort and ease of setup. It had all the bedding up there and you just opened it and it was dry, fat and ready to go. The ground tent is cool but good for hikes and camping away from the Jeep. M still mulling it over lol!
I reckon if you take the rear prop off as well it’ll be even quieter ☺️
Oh my hell, you are freaking hilarious!
Even though you talk funny you I like your channel. Ol chap! Subscribed
Ax15 needs mec3 automatic trans fluid
LMFO!! Oh God, it's rounding off and then start crying. Bin in that situation so many times with my XJ. Never seen you do an allignment. Could you make a small How Too on that subject? Thanks. And you and your family have a nice vacation. Regards Arjan from the Netherlands
I always hate it when things like that happen. A 10 minute job becomes a three hour job.. I can make a vide on how I do alignments but I literally use two planks of wood or box section metal and strap them to the wheels. I then measure them all out front to back of the wheel. I use to use some spare rims to do it and that was better when I had them. Thanks for watching.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness Thanks! And caster? I find it very difficult to find the proper setting between caster and geometrry. Maybe you van learn us how to find the right setting, Master? Regards Arjan from the Netherlands
the ax-15 is a really stout transmission I dont think its a transmission issue, if it was popping out of gears or grinding into gears or metal shavings came out on this drain/fill id think otherwise
It was the clutch and the 4th gear synchro on the transmission as well as some of the bearings on the transmission. It requires a full rebuild but I have a spare that's done under 100k miles and its in perfect working order. The next video basically covers the rebuild and install along with the clutch etc.
Cool Jeep. Have you checked your maf sensor? If you think one of your injectors is leaking you could pull them to identify which cylinder is running lean/rich. I had a similar issue and it ended up being my air flow ratio running lean at higher rpms
Thank you. It doesn't have a maf sensor anymore. I deleted it when I swapped in a manual fuel pump and deleted most of the ecu and number 1 injector. It turned out to be the clutch which makes sense. Power loss and slipping under load. It was totally destroyed but then it is very old. Thanks for watching
I put fully synthetic in "Chug" Mike and it didn't like it, it made Chugs gearbox whine so I went back to semi and it's better. Ronald McDonald fixed it for me just like Jim would like to fix it but we all know he would just end up F&*King it...Chug is my Royal Enfield motorbike and they like thicker oil.....That oil you were using looked a bit like water.
Have a great time away camping with the family:)
Sandy
I think I will go back to a semi synthetic as well. Its running good with the new oil in though to be fair but then it looks like oil and not elderflower wine. Sadly the camping was off as the source of the noise was a busted clutch. But then its a job that's well overdue. Hope your well mate, regards to the family and take care.
Are you sure the loose dowl during clutch install is not the vibration problem.
These videos a are a while back but it was a combination of things. Front pinion and caster (I corrected it by cutting turning c's). The rear drive shaft slip yoke (fixed it with an SYE and made a drive shaft that was longer). The chain in the np231 is also crazy loose.
have you tried the tcase drop? its not really a good fix but it works ok
I have but I don't run one anymore. I think I will most likely drop the lift by 2 inches.
what transfer case does your jeep have? theres a guy nearby who parts out xjs and stuff and always has used sye stuff and aftermarket parts for sale
Its got an NP231J. Where are you based?
@@WorkshoptoWilderness us based, 231j is the most common sye I will let you know if something comes up
thanks for the update! i'm sorry if I've missed it before, but what did you use for the undercoating on your rig?
No worries, I used Dinitrol 3125HS first then over that Dinitrol 4941.
now u have to go to church 😂
Fuel pressure regulator or fuel pump filter?
Turned out to be the clutch. Fule system is all good.
What sort of MPG are you getting now with your regear?
It depends on how long I drive but I got just over 400 miles out of the 76 litres I put in on the last fill up. I think that's around 24/25mpg. Not great really but then its not stock anymore.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness still better than a 4.0 :) and you get to hear turbo noises too, bonus
Why dont you upload to the other channel anymore?
I can answer that but its a bit of a long story.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness it be awesome if I could just have a brief explanation to why it ended if you could spare the time. I loved your content. I guess just try and give me a short story.
I filmed my bushcraft and outdoor interests from 2011 to 2019. In that time the channel grew quite a bit and I also worked as a bushcraft instructor and studied botany and other things to further my knowledge of the outdoors along side the channel. It became my life really, and every day was bushcraft and outdoor skills. I hunted quite regularly and it got to the point where I was filming almost everything I was doing. The more I filmed the less I would remember about my day in the forest and all I would remember was the filming part of it. Filming started to take away something from the experience and it was taking away the real reason of why I was there in the first place.
I go into the forest to be in the forest, its like my church, a place of peace where I can ground myself and listen to the sounds and see the sights of the real world. When you film all the time you don't see this anymore, you become consumed by the film, camera angles, shots and what people might think of the video. Along side this the expectations of the growing viewer base can also become overwhelming. Some days I would wake up at 5am load up my gear and hike into the wilderness onto a frozen lake in -20c to try and catch fish while filming all of this. Multiple camera angles and struggling in the cold with batteries just for a film on youtube...
Once I felt this I basically put down the camera and stopped filming about 75 percent of the things I would do. I never film my fishing trips, my wild camps, cooking in the forest or hiking anymore. I only experience them myself and take in the nature around me. Sometimes I take a photo. It restored my balance and made me feel like me again. I did 10 years of my outdoor life, I did my time I think and my videos can live on for those who enjoyed them.
This channel is just for fun and its very easy to film as it doesn't require massive logistical planning. Its a casual channel where I'm just being me and I always talk to myself in the garage anyway so its actually quite natural for me. I don't stress or push myself or care much about views or what people think. I just film what I'm doing and its another side of my self reliant life style.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness I appreciate the response, and taking the time out of your day to reply to me. I thank you for that!
I really understand all that you are saying, when watching your content on your MCQ channel, I really did appreciate how much time it must have took to setup those camera angles. I always thought about it while watching.
If you do decide to come back and start making content on that channel just know, it doesn't matter how much good camera angles, lighting, good shots you think you need to setup to make the content good. Me and many others would probably agree we just enjoyed you as a person and watching your content, you as a person are very entertaining to watch your content is very therapeutic to watch and take in.
Off topic, but I've often felt disconnected with reality a lot of times after spending an overwhelming majority of my 22 years inside and not doing very much.. but I'm working on changing that and have for quite a few years but I'm at a point where I can actually enact on those desires. Your videos have always give me a sense of peace. I've watched every single video on your MCQ channel and enjoyed every minute. You've honestly inspired me to get outdoors recently and explore the world around me, as being stuck inside and not doing very much takes a mental toll on you, but you've helped push me and I thank you for that.
Don't worry about trying to make the "perfect" content, because I think people would like you all the same if you just filmed your time out, or maybe took a video occasionally of the content you used to make just without the copious amount of time spend setting everything up. Me and many others would just happily sit there and listen to you speak, inform and share you knowledge and experience.
Good little idea to think about maybe is to upload a video explaining everything on the MCQ channel, because I suspect a lot of people are probably wondering where you are as was I.
Anyway, I've probably ranted long enough, and what ever content you decide to post for the future, or if you decide to upload more on the other channel.. many of us will be waiting to support you and make sure to always do what makes you the happiest.
:)
How much lift have you got?
Its about 7.5" at the moment
Wowzaz…a bit much aye.
The snows deep out here. But yeah its a lot. I may drop it to 5.5 at some stage
I was going to ask that too moejr14.
From a complete no knowledge base though, I was going to ask if you could work with less / get through your trips with less lift. As at least in the summer videos you are quite sensible on your destinations and risk factors (having watched you, quite rightly turn around from sketchy roads). Might create less downstream cost and issues.