Well, when you think about Jeigan pre-skill inheritance, where he was the only source of Fortify Cavs, he was a good early game support unit... who was quickly made irrelevant with the introduction of SI. By that metric, he did actually do his job as Jeigan.
Man I came back to the game like a week ago and seeing a robin alt absolutely wrecking everyone made me very happy I'm currently trying to build the bridal alt too, will see how it will work out
@PenguinWithInternetAccess Oooh nice! Yeah his statspread is really nice, and his inheritable weapon is serviceable. Would recommend eventually upgrading to an arcane weapon for an upgrade to combat ability and arena scoring. Would recommend Flared sparrow or Atk/Spd clash for a premium A skill. For B skill, Flow desperation or Desperation 4, or flow refresh 4. C slot could be an Alarm skill.
I’m glad there’s other people who don’t consider Grima as a Robin alt. Poor F!Robin’s been getting the short end of the stick with her Legendary AND Re-Armed spot being taken by Grima.
I will never get over how base Florina ended up being a slow, bulky, armor slayer when she's a fast dodge tank in Blazing Sword. Then her Ascendant alt got a weird nod to her being the best Rescue-Drop unit, especially since she's the only unit capable of Rescuing Hector after he promotes, but in FEH the gimmick allows her allies to warp to her when she's taken enough damage. I'm still hoping she gets a proper alt, some day, that focuses on her speedy dodge tanking plus a warp effect to her weapon so she'll always have a nice support niche.
Without Lyn mode, Florina has only 9 Spd when she rejoins you, and she gets doubled on her rejoining chapter when using a Javelin. Heroes represented that by giving her low speed but Darting Blow to compensate. She wields a Heavy Spear because the village to the right gives one on her rejoining chapter.
This a real Pandora’s box when you really look into just how bad some characters are translated into feh. This actually could go on for hours especially looking at the pre awakening era you can tell intsys has serious beef with any character that isn’t immediately exploitable
I would argue that Mathilda had a bigger downgrade than Silque in Heroes. Silque was decent at least Mathilda was terrible when she was released even though she was is one of the best combat units in Alm’s army.
@@samkeiser9776 naaah Mathilda was op. Her base stat and growth rates were amazing benching her husband instantly. With the effective against armor and cav lance I could still drop her in the Middle of the map on classic/hard mode and she would shred any foes trying to attack her
@@samkeiser9776 and while warp was broken it was the only good thing silque had. In heroes she became à tank with the best healer staff in the game. Wich is still an incredible effect to have resteting specials and inflicting guard négates many speed tank strategies
@@aqualacerta3961 Mathilda isn’t much better than Clive, she’s arguably actually worse, granted that you know what you’re doing. I think what people will recommend is saving the early fountain uses until you get him, promoting him asap, and then giving him two spd fountain uses after putting him at 10 then you give him the horseslayer and he does super well vs the millions of horses on Alm’s side. (Either because he doesn’t get doubled anymore, or because he starts doubling I don’t remember.) The biggest advantage Mathilda has over Clive are her spd and res, but doing the promotion+fountain strat puts her at only 2 more speed than him, and the reason you’d do it is because he has high movement and can use lances, and your other units aren’t, unless you made a villager a cav. Clive’s availability helps him out a lot too, if he promotes to Paladin asap, he’ll be higher level as a Paladin than base Mathilda when she joins, which means he’ll be closer to gold knight, even if his growths are worse, gold knight bases are really good, he can just promote and rise to that class’s bases. He only falls off in the late game. Mathilda is by no means bad, she’s just not as impressive as Clive if you give clive the chance. His availability really does everything for him. Meanwhile, Silque is one of 2 units in the entire game that learns warp, and the only warper with good availability. It’s not like everything else she has is bad either, nosferatu isn’t great but lifesteal is still good, even with bad accuracy, heal is useful, and her invoke summons dread fighters, though also, having warp is still enough to make her one of the best units in the game by default, it really is just that good. Even in SoV where everymap is route.
@@samkeiser9776 you just described rather heavy investment on Clive just to make him a 2 less speed and worse growth cav. His only real advantage is you get him faster. But if you don't put heavy investment in him Mathilda will be better on recruit. And those fontains can be used by other characters or even Mathilda. If instead of saving all those ressources for Clive you put them into other characters you get an overall better army and if you put them into mathilda you'll get a better cav. Clive have nothing impressive. He's not bad, just outclassed. He's a good early game cav
What's ironic is that they're not even really "unpopular" or anything I'd say although I've seen many people saying so lately. I think it's just to hate on them as more of a bandwagon opinion honestly on ig characters that aren't their faves who aren't in the game getting traction (whereas characters like Mustafa, and other early Gen units will just rarely talked about overall or forgotten, with many not placing well as a result of already being in now if they placed highly to begin with that is). Edward has consistently placed in the top 50 characters not in for many CYLs being like top 15 and top 10 (only under TMS and Lucia iirc) for the last two while a significant portion of characters outside of that are added. Leonardo even outplaced Geoffrey, the other members heavily outplaced Bastian, and Micaiah won a CYL as a potential in for an Elincia situation. Doesn't mean any of those characters are unpopular but I think they just get selective hate since RD forefront popularity comes down to either being a "great" unit or a waifu really imo (if you're not a lord) like most older games I'd say with some exceptions here and there
I think they could've been many times by now and was expecting them late this year, but tellius got skipped a year and Radiant Dawn didn't get a banner in like over 4 years since 2019. Radiant Dawn exclusives in general get treated so poorly imo (even the leads like Micaiah, Sothe, and particularly Pelleas who is like the Lyon of Radiant Dawn I'd argue not getting in the game til like 2021 or something and being basically the only prfless GHB of CYL ones) I think they couldve definitely added many of the Dawn Brigade members with Micaiah/Sothe/Jill/Ilyana/Nailah/Pelleas (who had cracked the top 100 overall with I think even 3H's debut and lords/most popular characters competing), /etc. (Also checking CYL I Edward is ranked 89th in the top 100 which is really good!) With Engage getting added it might be a bit bumpy for him but considering how high he's placing, other characters getting added and getting alts, etc I doubt it if not him likely placing slightly higher
@Fishman465 Agree. The Radiant Dawn and tellius normal pool is so barren as it is imo If they give some of them premium treatment in the future I think that'd be cool too since Edward could have Caladbolg, and Leonardo/Nolan could have Lughnasadh/Tarvos. I think it could honestly sell decently if they actually invest into the new heroes They'd end up having 760+ BST which would be really nice and many of them could be a nice demote project like Aran since there are so few lance infantry options available. If they did an Attuned Edward with Attuned wrath and a premium kit with Caladbolg I'd honestly be really excited to see that. I doubt Cain/Abel archetypes are allowed though but it'd be really cool with like maybe an ascended Micaiah on the banner to me at least.
Just like I.S. you forgot about Sylvain. Is introduction with a beach unit came with pretty subpar stats, and then his normal outfit came out and they didn't give him the Lance of Ruin.
Subpar is fitting for a magic build Sylvain tbh. As for the axe... If THAT'S flanderization... At least he can use axes. Faye somehow got two versions in the game, somehow both as bow users when it's like, the one weapon type she can't ever use in the entirety of Echoes.
It feels like he was meant to release years ago, his summer alt has more spd then him and they both had the same starting spd but because of flowers summer Sylvain got more 😢
@@Marshmallow-bl2ps No, it's just that units don't keep the exact same stats spread with every alt (well, unless you're Micaiah or Lilina I guess) otherwise it'd get boring. Case in point : Camilla's alts. She has a lot of them, and yet they all have very different stats (talking comparatively for their release dates : OG had no clear weaknesses but also no clear strengths being very balanced, Bunny had high Atk/Def and low Spd/Res, NY had high Spd/Def, okay Atk and low Res, Summer had high Spd, okay Atk and low Def/Res, Adrift had high Atk/Res, middling Spd and low Def, HS had high Spd, decent Res and low Atk/Def, Brave had high Atk/Spd and low Def/Res, and Ninja had high Def/Res, decent Atk and low Spd). Tl;Dr : Sylvain being slow doesn't mean that he was meant to be released before his actual release date, it just means he's slow.
@@CuteHimbo I was just saying how he just feels old , not saying it's the same I wish he had better stats at least or make him a Lance because damn why even give him spd if it's just mid spd
Jaffar not being in this video is *_criminal_* lol. Jaffar's entire playstyle and kit got completely changed and his stats pale in comparison to his FE7 counterpart. Bro's FEH playstyle became Sothe's Bane skill in Radiant Dawn. Which is incredibly ironic because he's known to be a killer and one of the most well known Lethality users of all time. Especially considering that his moniker is the *"Angel of Death".*
She got BLOODIED in Heroes lol. On the topic of Gaiden/Echoes ladies, there's Tatiana and Faye too. One was known for amazing healing but was introduced as a mediocre blue mage with no healing abilities, while the latter was a healer with a dance spell but got in as an archer... Which was genderlocked to men in those games for whatever reason.
@@alexpowell1184 yeah he did get a good refine, better than ayras due to better DR, I actually ran the numbers and he is able to beat Ayra with refine, talk about from zero to hero, tho I do prefer Ayra only cause she been my go to unit since she came out.
@@Ragnamune hold it right there chief, it’s actually Atk/Def bond 3, bond skills are garbage even the tier 4 ones, unity is much better but I’d still pick something else over them.
Here's some I think deserve a mention: Galzus is a beast in the final chapters of Thracia, and has tons of useful skills that make him a menace. In Heroes, they gave him a inheritable sword and average skills, a far cry to his representation in Thracia. Tanith is worse because Reinforcement is such a strong skill in PoR and she doesn't even have a weapon that represents that. The version of Tanith in Heroes is even her PoR version, so no reference to Reinforcement is extra disappointing. Leo has been given some of the worst Heroes treatment by far. He has 4 alts yet it took till his Valentines alt for him to have an actual use that was quickly forgotten. His performance in Fates was pretty good, and he could be an effective Nos tank in a lot of chapters in Fates. In Heroes, he's the slow mage that can't tank or do damage. His refine is the absolute worst because it just took away his movement gimmick and replaced it with a skill that reduces damage which didn't help him in the slightest.
Lachesis was forgotten holy crap she was basically everything any Est could have been and also an amazing unit with maximized utility. And mastery of basically every weapon type aside holy weapons if I recall
@@Natsu25100 yeah WHICH IS A CRIME TO HUMANITY, HOW CAN A UNIT SO VERSATILE BE NOTHING BUT A GENERIC STAFF, YEAH SURE SHE HAS WEAK EARLY, BUT THAT JUICY PROMOTION WOULD MAKE ANY EST BOW BEFORE THE MASTER KNIGHT LACHESIS
i wouldn't put sigurd on this list, he might be bad now but unlike other units on this list he wasn't bad on release, back in the day he was broken and everyone wanted him, he was able to survive reinhardt aka the best mage in the game so basically no mage could kill him, and since he had good defense he was very difficult to take out all around, and one of if not the first none brave unit to get a pref skill
Crusaders Ward was less of a Reinhardt Counter like people say it was supposed to be and more of a way to ensure that he didnt get blown up by the easily accessible demote unit so that he could be the tank that he was. I loved using him back then and even now I still have crusaders ward on mine for when I bring him out for auto battles
Gonna say Finn for this. Incredibly popular, came out as a mediocre grail unit with an awkward statline, and in general was just pretty bad. Compared to the absolute powerhouse he was in Thracia Atleast he got a very good refine later
So... are we gonna get a terribly treated list by being limited to a limited time unit only? Asking for a friend, Female Robin. Who is now at nearly 8 years as a my!unit still not in the general summoning pool.
@@CuteHimbo The point of Mark was that he wasn't visible, but I digress.. That's actually the problem for F!Robin, all her alts are old with terrible stat spreads (Grail Robin and Summer Robin) or unit types (with Valentine's Robin). Basically she has huge demand for her character and IS isn't proving, heck even in Engage and Amiilo she was absent and just a skin in Warriors and Smash. She's kinda their "dirty redhead stepchild" that they kinda pretend doesn't exist these days unless they can sex her up... usually with Grima wearing her as a meat suit. I digress again though. Basically she's just a passion project to build but not a viable character in today's meta. All the other my units have better alts than Female Robin. Yet she has a huge fanbase that consistently keeps her in CYL top ten for 5 years, so they know she has big demand that they're not going after.
Ogma and Barst were pretty shafted on release . Their original iteration had them be very decent mainstays in the core of your party. Ogma was a solid unit throughout SD. Barst was 1 of 4 axe units that also joined in chapter two, and he was by far the best out of his brothers and Darros because of his stats, growths, and weapon rank. In FEH, their relatively decent stat spread was hampered by the Brave weapon they came with. Post SI, they were relatively workable, but Ogma was constantly outclassed due to how harsh competition was. Barst, who I have more experience in using, was faring well enough as most axe units were slow bulky hitters like Hector. That was until Linus entered FEH with a better offensive stat spread. Refine-wise, I don't have much to say about Ogma. I'm sure he got sidelined because of how many faster and harder hitters kept arriving. Soleil, Mia, Karla, Ayra, etc. made him overall pointless to build outside of favoritism. Barst's Devil Axe was mediocre. Stat sticking with fury wasn't good, and wrath stacking was so pointless because it took so long to do compared to pre-charging with Inf. Pulse (which he couldn't do because of his absurdly high health stat). The wrath gimmick just wasn't worth the hassle it came with and he was far better off with a Slaying Axe or Wo-Gun.
PREACH! Barst is a main stay always in my altean army. I feel like it's because him and ogma are just too old and unattractive (opinion varies) and not important enough for feh. But they were so good in those games.
Seth is my favorite character in Sacred Stones but they turned him into cavalier stats instead of a paladin. The Arcane Eljuðnir saved him from being a worthless common unit.
FEH Nemesis be like: I am Nemesis, eater of skills. I have thrown every skill I can into him, supported him with a dancer, every last thing. His base kit is so bad though. I mean, to go from indestructible in a way that refreshes per turn so long as he has enough allies alive to a bit of damage reduction and A/D +2 per living ally, Dragon Fang, Chill Attack and Savage Blow. Dragon Fang is very difficult Special to use given some units are so high on Atk, Chill skills are not very good at all and Savage Blow is a meme if a Medeus is present. And being slow compared to most infantry swords gives him trouble, even with attempts to Spd-stack. Badass boss, terrible playable unit, especially since he's a sort of omni-tank, and those do poorly.
Should have been a regular 5-star with different skills. Now to wait for his regular or Legendary, because he's not getting a Brave, not enough voters.
I will forever be waiting for Oboro to be done right. From a unit that was really well liked around the Fates era and even in gameplay was pretty good too. Her Refine aged like milk in the sun and Bridal Oboro only existing to be fodder and even then wasn't that good of fodder...one day
My Oboro was my first summon, day one! She is +10, have all possible shenigans and a arcane lance - not my best unit, but she is great now! And yes, I don't even remember what the original weapon refine does lol
Nowadays you gotta get the BEST weapons and skills for your favorite unit that you lose their originality in skill sets that make them who they are. Everyone is just the same now :/
Lol Sigurd in how he was "treated badly" yet wound up decent at the time basically. Llewyn was hosed ultimatedly given how he was in FE4 with only asc.Ced being closest to that level. Ced too could count Fredrick would count considering how he could solo Awakening Yeah it took until legendary and brave for Male Robin(not Grima) to be good. Base Edelgard is the only one that could remotely count. Yeah Saber got HOSED.
Promoted Arthur is really good even without the Forseti. FEH definitely did him dirty. Edelgard on the other hand is a very weird one because the debut one was supposed to be a representation of her in the first half of the game. I would say it's less a problem of base Edel getting poor treatment and more the others getting it too good? Raging Storm is an Aymr thing, but iirc, Summer Edel and Brave Edel don't use Aymr, but still have the galeforce effects baked into their kits. But once FEH put that effect into base Edel's refine, I think that was just their proclamation that "ok you know what? Free galeforce is just Edelgard's whole schtick now, deal with it." Don't know what to say about the other 3H lords because Claude in particular has similar shenanigans going on where young versions without Failnaught come with Falling Star, except I don't believe base and brave Claude have it anywhere in their kits? But it probably doesn't matter too much because lol Wind Claude exists
tbf Silques warp in gaiden DIDNT give her exp which means that in order for her to get stronger you HAD to use nosferatu....which was even worse than it was in echoes LMFAO
Man I was thinking on this video still, and one of the most personal units I forgot to mention who got absolutely slandered in FEH was Priam. He was an absolute beast in Awakening, constantly activating Sol or Luna during every interaction, and decimated everything in his path, in my playthrough at least. Seeing what they did to him in FEH hurts, but I’m holding out hope that when he gets a weapon refine, he’ll be treated better. I’ll keep on using him because he’s my husband.
Nemesis not being a Mythic continues to bewilder me. An angry godslayer resurrected using dark magic wielding a twisted version of the MCs legendary blade becomes... A slow, generic unit with extremely conditional DR. Justice for the God-Shattering Star!
I want to point Gregor at awakening, very slow, awful, bad accuracy, bad luck and CAN BE GOOD if gets reclassed to Myrmidon/Swordmaster.... But so as others and between all options he is only better than Stahl because of Sol, which isn't much..... Then he came to Heroes and became an amazing ploy disruption supporter with vulture on the weapon and amazing stats, and slay effect on weapon, he became very different how he is originally for the better.
There are some that im surprised didnt get mentioned People in the comments have talked about Jafar, and Death Knight But my personal pick for Most Done Dirty is Henry. They gave my boy one of the lowest attack stats, then gave him a refine that boosted his lowest stat when the opponent had than like 45 ATK (at absolute maximum) At least his spring alt is fun with Nastrond, but gods what id do to get a Rearmed Henry
Rearmed Henry should be an Axe unit since for some reason he can reclass to barbarian. That or a dagger because theif. Anyway, yeah I liked Henry in Awakening, but he's practically useless in Heroes.
I'm still upset that even though the game keeps power creeping with each banner, they still made legendary Caeda average upon release. I want a good Caeda alt...
The issue is you think a unit should get something that wasn't in heroes at the time on units, galerforce Edel, canto Titania... Robin is just good due to overleveling so he was not supposed to be good if the level is limited, to 40. Edelgard at released was still quite good. She had L!Ephraim weapon with slaying. That she got a better weapon than a legendary, 1 year and half but still, was surprising. She could probably also use heavy blade galerforce and be one of the best galerforce users back then. Besides it's the crest weapon that gives her Galerforce so it was fair if she didn't have that, specially talking about the pre timeskip Edel when she couldn't have such weapon.
I think when it comes down to it a lot of characters get a lot worse in Heroes. Every single prf-less FE3H unit, nearly every staff unit. Chloé and S;ivy don’t reflect just how broken those two are in Engage. Ivy only having high atk and res is odd. A ton of early game fliers, like Vanessa.
Felicia is the best mag girl user (bye Elise)and in fates has weak atk silly felicia continues using physical daggers when she’s got good mag so it works cos she’s silly like that and wouldn’t class change to a mage or realise to use flame shuriken but then she got her plate refine which was close enough i guess
11:30 FE6 Rutger could reach that much crit, the Swordmaster (and Berserker) class gave +30 crit. The Wo Dao +40 i think, skill gives 1 crit per 2 points and the swordmaster can reach 30 skill so 15 skill crit max. And some supports do give an boost to crit
And then theres Ike, who canonically is the strongest gigachad of all chads that ever chad'd, but in Feh he is completely mediocre. Ike was at least decent back in 2018 i guess
I’m kind of surprised that there was no mention of Death Knight from Three Houses. If I remember correctly for when his GHB first appeared a lot of people were disappointed with what he got and same goes for his refine too. Nothing special or interesting about it
Veld probably got one of the worst treatment in feh, he got put into a gimmicky role with his tome, put into the most oversaturated archetype in the game, and got such a mediocre stat spread [high res and Hp okish attack but awful def and spd] Hopefully his refine next year will give him the ability where if he defeats a unit he can petrify the unit and make a 1 hp pillar like he did to eyvel.
I knew Titania would be here. If we ever get another Legendary PoR/RD character (I know we just got Elincia, so it’ll be awhile), I’d love to see a Legendary Titania.
You forgot Leo... My poor Leo. Every alt sucks! Even the spring One. I Hope in a Legendary form which can give justice to the One and only King of Nohr (of the Birthright route of course 😂)
While I do agree with early Leo's. Spring Leo really is the redemption Leo. Combine him with GK and he is among one of the better hit and run units in the game for AR. If you have flared sparrow you can double down on his anti-movement also. This Leo is pretty goated.
Seth is in demote hell and it hurts me bc his base is not good despite how many copies i have. And the one good demote we have is an axe cav arguably the worst class in Feh, which i already had two projects at the time
Eyvel easily has the biggest downgrade from her source material, as FEH lets her die In Thracia, Eyvel is quite literally hard-coded to be unable to die due to [story shenanigans I won't spoil], and every attack which would kill her would be dodged.
Ayra🤝Karla Being much more meta defining/op upon release in FEH than they ever were in their own game; and also given bigger busts to appeal to the horny folk (maybe not so much Ayra that last point but definitely Karla) Legit sick to death of them both lmao; Lyn also
I think its a good thing theyre willing to let strong units in mainline end up weak in FEH. It'd be extremely boring if the meta in FEH was just the mainline FE meta.
Hey ZeShado, I wanna say this. Just in case you don't make a funny as hell video tomorrow, it's my birthday tomorrow. I have been super loyal to you and your videos. I do have a challenge for you. Please make a video of Legendary Male Robin vs Grima Female Robin to the audio of Family Guy Where's My Money. Wouldn't that be funny?
Oboro has to be one of the biggest one of these units. She was an amazing unit in Fates but then her art was meh and her skills were awful in FEH. She got a beautiful bridal alt but it came with a message literally telling you she's great as fodder. Oboro was the only non-lord female character to rank higher in popularity than lords in Fates and she was so bad in FEH it's like she actually dropped in popularity for it. (She did have a few cool niche builds early on but then so did Jagen so that doesn't really change things)
Karel is only a good unit in Binding Blade, as the Sword Saint. The one in Heroes is the version of him from Blazing Sword, the Sword Demon. In Binding Blade, he's great. In Blazing Sword, well... he has a Wo Dao? He's mediocre at best and gets easily outclassed by Guy and Lyn. Better to go for Harken. So his Heroes incarnation quickly falling off kinda makes sense. Now if Sword Saint Karel isn't one of the best units in Heroes when he eventually gets added, then you can riot.
Idk if Sanaki should be here aswell but I think she should since when she released she was good but not broken! But when her refine came it was a really medioric refine tbh like it had so much more potential!
wasnt' her refine one of the super early ones? iirc most of those are pretty basic and underwhelming compared to the stuff they have for refines nowadays lol I still like it for the effect requirement, cute reference to her guards; hopefully her legendary happens before book 10
I _just_ finished +10ing Lindhardt (he's my sibling's favorite character). He's oddly tanky? Boon in Def and ascended Res, 37 45 respectively. Its weird. Here's hoping when we get his Timeskip, he'll be cool. Or at the very least usable.
Camilla didn't need reclassing to be broken though, that's what made her the actual best unit in Fates and one of the strongest in the series : she joins early and is fully ready to carry the player all the way to endgame right off the bat. The only thing she could need was Bowbreaker, but even without it she could still take on an archer in EP even in the lategame because she was that good lol.
@@samkeiser9776 I'm guessing you're talking about FEH, in which case yeah she was done dirty. In my comment I was just bouncing off the statement that in Fates she needed reclassement to become a powerhouse, which I don't think is the case. It can definitely help her, especially if you leave her in Sorcerer or Witch for a bit, but you can also never reclass her and she'll still be your best unit. Because of RNG just like everyone else she's not immune to stat screwage, but even if she only gets bad level ups her bases will carry her a long way.
Camilla didn't need reclassing to be broken though, that's what made her the actual best unit in Fates and one of the strongest in the series : she joins early and is fully ready to carry the player all the way to endgame right off the bat. The only thing she could need was Bowbreaker, but even without it she could still take on an archer in EP even in the lategame because she was that good lol.
Well, when you think about Jeigan pre-skill inheritance, where he was the only source of Fortify Cavs, he was a good early game support unit... who was quickly made irrelevant with the introduction of SI. By that metric, he did actually do his job as Jeigan.
I love thinking about pre-SI and how much of a swerve that one change was
Robin finally got justice 6 years later. Grima ≠ Robin
Thank you, this is true. Also, despite copium Grima is still male even in Rearmed Robin's body.
Man I came back to the game like a week ago and seeing a robin alt absolutely wrecking everyone made me very happy
I'm currently trying to build the bridal alt too, will see how it will work out
@@fractalfalco3964 this is confirmed, lucina literally calls grima a He even in female Robins body
@PenguinWithInternetAccess Oooh nice! Yeah his statspread is really nice, and his inheritable weapon is serviceable. Would recommend eventually upgrading to an arcane weapon for an upgrade to combat ability and arena scoring. Would recommend Flared sparrow or Atk/Spd clash for a premium A skill. For B skill, Flow desperation or Desperation 4, or flow refresh 4. C slot could be an Alarm skill.
I’m glad there’s other people who don’t consider Grima as a Robin alt. Poor F!Robin’s been getting the short end of the stick with her Legendary AND Re-Armed spot being taken by Grima.
I will never get over how base Florina ended up being a slow, bulky, armor slayer when she's a fast dodge tank in Blazing Sword.
Then her Ascendant alt got a weird nod to her being the best Rescue-Drop unit, especially since she's the only unit capable of Rescuing Hector after he promotes, but in FEH the gimmick allows her allies to warp to her when she's taken enough damage.
I'm still hoping she gets a proper alt, some day, that focuses on her speedy dodge tanking plus a warp effect to her weapon so she'll always have a nice support niche.
Eliwood can carry Hector too.
Without Lyn mode, Florina has only 9 Spd when she rejoins you, and she gets doubled on her rejoining chapter when using a Javelin.
Heroes represented that by giving her low speed but Darting Blow to compensate. She wields a Heavy Spear because the village to the right gives one on her rejoining chapter.
I'm still hoping she gets an alt that isn't focused around her being Lyn's bff
This a real Pandora’s box when you really look into just how bad some characters are translated into feh.
This actually could go on for hours especially looking at the pre awakening era you can tell intsys has serious beef with any character that isn’t immediately exploitable
Good old Palla. She was my first +10 in the game 🥲
I would argue that Mathilda had a bigger downgrade than Silque in Heroes. Silque was decent at least Mathilda was terrible when she was released even though she was is one of the best combat units in Alm’s army.
Mathilda is arguably pretty mid in SoV, but Silque loses warp, so like…
@@samkeiser9776 naaah Mathilda was op. Her base stat and growth rates were amazing benching her husband instantly. With the effective against armor and cav lance I could still drop her in the Middle of the map on classic/hard mode and she would shred any foes trying to attack her
@@samkeiser9776 and while warp was broken it was the only good thing silque had. In heroes she became à tank with the best healer staff in the game. Wich is still an incredible effect to have resteting specials and inflicting guard négates many speed tank strategies
@@aqualacerta3961 Mathilda isn’t much better than Clive, she’s arguably actually worse, granted that you know what you’re doing. I think what people will recommend is saving the early fountain uses until you get him, promoting him asap, and then giving him two spd fountain uses after putting him at 10 then you give him the horseslayer and he does super well vs the millions of horses on Alm’s side. (Either because he doesn’t get doubled anymore, or because he starts doubling I don’t remember.)
The biggest advantage Mathilda has over Clive are her spd and res, but doing the promotion+fountain strat puts her at only 2 more speed than him, and the reason you’d do it is because he has high movement and can use lances, and your other units aren’t, unless you made a villager a cav.
Clive’s availability helps him out a lot too, if he promotes to Paladin asap, he’ll be higher level as a Paladin than base Mathilda when she joins, which means he’ll be closer to gold knight, even if his growths are worse, gold knight bases are really good, he can just promote and rise to that class’s bases. He only falls off in the late game.
Mathilda is by no means bad, she’s just not as impressive as Clive if you give clive the chance. His availability really does everything for him.
Meanwhile, Silque is one of 2 units in the entire game that learns warp, and the only warper with good availability. It’s not like everything else she has is bad either, nosferatu isn’t great but lifesteal is still good, even with bad accuracy, heal is useful, and her invoke summons dread fighters, though also, having warp is still enough to make her one of the best units in the game by default, it really is just that good. Even in SoV where everymap is route.
@@samkeiser9776 you just described rather heavy investment on Clive just to make him a 2 less speed and worse growth cav. His only real advantage is you get him faster. But if you don't put heavy investment in him Mathilda will be better on recruit. And those fontains can be used by other characters or even Mathilda. If instead of saving all those ressources for Clive you put them into other characters you get an overall better army and if you put them into mathilda you'll get a better cav.
Clive have nothing impressive. He's not bad, just outclassed. He's a good early game cav
The Dawn Brigade too could have been put in there.... Oh wait... Still not here after all these years. My bad ! :x
What's ironic is that they're not even really "unpopular" or anything I'd say although I've seen many people saying so lately. I think it's just to hate on them as more of a bandwagon opinion honestly on ig characters that aren't their faves who aren't in the game getting traction (whereas characters like Mustafa, and other early Gen units will just rarely talked about overall or forgotten, with many not placing well as a result of already being in now if they placed highly to begin with that is).
Edward has consistently placed in the top 50 characters not in for many CYLs being like top 15 and top 10 (only under TMS and Lucia iirc) for the last two while a significant portion of characters outside of that are added. Leonardo even outplaced Geoffrey, the other members heavily outplaced Bastian, and Micaiah won a CYL as a potential in for an Elincia situation.
Doesn't mean any of those characters are unpopular but I think they just get selective hate since RD forefront popularity comes down to either being a "great" unit or a waifu really imo (if you're not a lord) like most older games I'd say with some exceptions here and there
I think they could've been many times by now and was expecting them late this year, but tellius got skipped a year and Radiant Dawn didn't get a banner in like over 4 years since 2019. Radiant Dawn exclusives in general get treated so poorly imo (even the leads like Micaiah, Sothe, and particularly Pelleas who is like the Lyon of Radiant Dawn I'd argue not getting in the game til like 2021 or something and being basically the only prfless GHB of CYL ones)
I think they couldve definitely added many of the Dawn Brigade members with Micaiah/Sothe/Jill/Ilyana/Nailah/Pelleas (who had cracked the top 100 overall with I think even 3H's debut and lords/most popular characters competing), /etc. (Also checking CYL I Edward is ranked 89th in the top 100 which is really good!)
With Engage getting added it might be a bit bumpy for him but considering how high he's placing, other characters getting added and getting alts, etc I doubt it if not him likely placing slightly higher
Totally agree :( I want my Nolan + 10 already !!! :( My nickelback singer xD
They'd be the perfect low rarity filler early on
@Fishman465 Agree. The Radiant Dawn and tellius normal pool is so barren as it is imo
If they give some of them premium treatment in the future I think that'd be cool too since Edward could have Caladbolg, and Leonardo/Nolan could have Lughnasadh/Tarvos. I think it could honestly sell decently if they actually invest into the new heroes
They'd end up having 760+ BST which would be really nice and many of them could be a nice demote project like Aran since there are so few lance infantry options available.
If they did an Attuned Edward with Attuned wrath and a premium kit with Caladbolg I'd honestly be really excited to see that. I doubt Cain/Abel archetypes are allowed though but it'd be really cool with like maybe an ascended Micaiah on the banner to me at least.
I remember the discourse of feh and
Ceadas inflatables.
Truly a fire emblem moment of all time.
Just like I.S. you forgot about Sylvain. Is introduction with a beach unit came with pretty subpar stats, and then his normal outfit came out and they didn't give him the Lance of Ruin.
Subpar is fitting for a magic build Sylvain tbh. As for the axe... If THAT'S flanderization... At least he can use axes. Faye somehow got two versions in the game, somehow both as bow users when it's like, the one weapon type she can't ever use in the entirety of Echoes.
It feels like he was meant to release years ago, his summer alt has more spd then him and they both had the same starting spd but because of flowers summer Sylvain got more 😢
@@Marshmallow-bl2ps No, it's just that units don't keep the exact same stats spread with every alt (well, unless you're Micaiah or Lilina I guess) otherwise it'd get boring. Case in point : Camilla's alts. She has a lot of them, and yet they all have very different stats (talking comparatively for their release dates : OG had no clear weaknesses but also no clear strengths being very balanced, Bunny had high Atk/Def and low Spd/Res, NY had high Spd/Def, okay Atk and low Res, Summer had high Spd, okay Atk and low Def/Res, Adrift had high Atk/Res, middling Spd and low Def, HS had high Spd, decent Res and low Atk/Def, Brave had high Atk/Spd and low Def/Res, and Ninja had high Def/Res, decent Atk and low Spd).
Tl;Dr : Sylvain being slow doesn't mean that he was meant to be released before his actual release date, it just means he's slow.
@@CuteHimbo I was just saying how he just feels old , not saying it's the same I wish he had better stats at least or make him a Lance because damn why even give him spd if it's just mid spd
@@CuteHimboFaye before seasonal alts existed.
Jaffar not being in this video is *_criminal_* lol.
Jaffar's entire playstyle and kit got completely changed and his stats pale in comparison to his FE7 counterpart. Bro's FEH playstyle became Sothe's Bane skill in Radiant Dawn. Which is incredibly ironic because he's known to be a killer and one of the most well known Lethality users of all time. Especially considering that his moniker is the *"Angel of Death".*
His lore is him sitting on a mountain of dead bodies as kid when Nergal found him. Most of these dagger users shouldn't be holding a candle to him.
Lon’qu not getting love for almost 6 years….
Honestly surprised Mathilda didn't make the list I felt like heroes butchered her
She got BLOODIED in Heroes lol.
On the topic of Gaiden/Echoes ladies, there's Tatiana and Faye too. One was known for amazing healing but was introduced as a mediocre blue mage with no healing abilities, while the latter was a healer with a dance spell but got in as an archer... Which was genderlocked to men in those games for whatever reason.
You forgot to mention that when Rutger was released in feh he was essentially just a poor man’s Ayra.
And then he got a better refine! He’s still great today.
@@alexpowell1184 yeah he did get a good refine, better than ayras due to better DR, I actually ran the numbers and he is able to beat Ayra with refine, talk about from zero to hero, tho I do prefer Ayra only cause she been my go to unit since she came out.
And lest we forget the elephant in his skill pool...
"You're too close... Step back if you want to live..." - Atk/Spd Bond 3
@@Ragnamune he's just tsundere
@@Ragnamune hold it right there chief, it’s actually Atk/Def bond 3, bond skills are garbage even the tier 4 ones, unity is much better but I’d still pick something else over them.
Here's some I think deserve a mention:
Galzus is a beast in the final chapters of Thracia, and has tons of useful skills that make him a menace. In Heroes, they gave him a inheritable sword and average skills, a far cry to his representation in Thracia.
Tanith is worse because Reinforcement is such a strong skill in PoR and she doesn't even have a weapon that represents that. The version of Tanith in Heroes is even her PoR version, so no reference to Reinforcement is extra disappointing.
Leo has been given some of the worst Heroes treatment by far. He has 4 alts yet it took till his Valentines alt for him to have an actual use that was quickly forgotten. His performance in Fates was pretty good, and he could be an effective Nos tank in a lot of chapters in Fates. In Heroes, he's the slow mage that can't tank or do damage. His refine is the absolute worst because it just took away his movement gimmick and replaced it with a skill that reduces damage which didn't help him in the slightest.
I'm still salty about Melady, hopefully her refine will make her good
Lachesis was forgotten holy crap she was basically everything any Est could have been and also an amazing unit with maximized utility. And mastery of basically every weapon type aside holy weapons if I recall
Intsys just turned her into staff Lolicon without refine.
@@Natsu25100 yeah WHICH IS A CRIME TO HUMANITY, HOW CAN A UNIT SO VERSATILE BE NOTHING BUT A GENERIC STAFF, YEAH SURE SHE HAS WEAK EARLY, BUT THAT JUICY PROMOTION WOULD MAKE ANY EST BOW BEFORE THE MASTER KNIGHT LACHESIS
If I recall she doesn't have prf? I don't usually build staff in feh
@@lovableairheadmile6809 she had a personal sword in FE4
@@felixmartinez1100 not in fe4 in feh I meant since I just send lachesis with that horrible art back home I don't even remember if they have prf staff
i wouldn't put sigurd on this list, he might be bad now but unlike other units on this list he wasn't bad on release, back in the day he was broken and everyone wanted him, he was able to survive reinhardt aka the best mage in the game so basically no mage could kill him, and since he had good defense he was very difficult to take out all around, and one of if not the first none brave unit to get a pref skill
Crusaders Ward was less of a Reinhardt Counter like people say it was supposed to be and more of a way to ensure that he didnt get blown up by the easily accessible demote unit so that he could be the tank that he was. I loved using him back then and even now I still have crusaders ward on mine for when I bring him out for auto battles
"everyone wanted him"
I didn't lol
@@GameGodZERO cool for you
Legendary Sigurd was absolutely nutty on release and a terrifying unit to face.
Gonna say Finn for this. Incredibly popular, came out as a mediocre grail unit with an awkward statline, and in general was just pretty bad. Compared to the absolute powerhouse he was in Thracia
Atleast he got a very good refine later
So... are we gonna get a terribly treated list by being limited to a limited time unit only? Asking for a friend, Female Robin. Who is now at nearly 8 years as a my!unit still not in the general summoning pool.
Hey, at least she was added early and got alts! Mark had to wait until April 2023 and got into alt-hell instantly.
@@CuteHimbo The point of Mark was that he wasn't visible, but I digress..
That's actually the problem for F!Robin, all her alts are old with terrible stat spreads (Grail Robin and Summer Robin) or unit types (with Valentine's Robin). Basically she has huge demand for her character and IS isn't proving, heck even in Engage and Amiilo she was absent and just a skin in Warriors and Smash. She's kinda their "dirty redhead stepchild" that they kinda pretend doesn't exist these days unless they can sex her up... usually with Grima wearing her as a meat suit. I digress again though.
Basically she's just a passion project to build but not a viable character in today's meta. All the other my units have better alts than Female Robin. Yet she has a huge fanbase that consistently keeps her in CYL top ten for 5 years, so they know she has big demand that they're not going after.
That's bc they're too busy promoting Grima instead lmao
Ogma and Barst were pretty shafted on release . Their original iteration had them be very decent mainstays in the core of your party. Ogma was a solid unit throughout SD. Barst was 1 of 4 axe units that also joined in chapter two, and he was by far the best out of his brothers and Darros because of his stats, growths, and weapon rank.
In FEH, their relatively decent stat spread was hampered by the Brave weapon they came with. Post SI, they were relatively workable, but Ogma was constantly outclassed due to how harsh competition was. Barst, who I have more experience in using, was faring well enough as most axe units were slow bulky hitters like Hector. That was until Linus entered FEH with a better offensive stat spread.
Refine-wise, I don't have much to say about Ogma. I'm sure he got sidelined because of how many faster and harder hitters kept arriving. Soleil, Mia, Karla, Ayra, etc. made him overall pointless to build outside of favoritism.
Barst's Devil Axe was mediocre. Stat sticking with fury wasn't good, and wrath stacking was so pointless because it took so long to do compared to pre-charging with Inf. Pulse (which he couldn't do because of his absurdly high health stat). The wrath gimmick just wasn't worth the hassle it came with and he was far better off with a Slaying Axe or Wo-Gun.
PREACH! Barst is a main stay always in my altean army. I feel like it's because him and ogma are just too old and unattractive (opinion varies) and not important enough for feh. But they were so good in those games.
Seth is my favorite character in Sacred Stones but they turned him into cavalier stats instead of a paladin. The Arcane Eljuðnir saved him from being a worthless common unit.
You not mentioning Mathilda on this list gotta the be the biggest miss ever. THEY DID HER DIRTY!!!
FEH Nemesis be like: I am Nemesis, eater of skills. I have thrown every skill I can into him, supported him with a dancer, every last thing. His base kit is so bad though. I mean, to go from indestructible in a way that refreshes per turn so long as he has enough allies alive to a bit of damage reduction and A/D +2 per living ally, Dragon Fang, Chill Attack and Savage Blow. Dragon Fang is very difficult Special to use given some units are so high on Atk, Chill skills are not very good at all and Savage Blow is a meme if a Medeus is present. And being slow compared to most infantry swords gives him trouble, even with attempts to Spd-stack. Badass boss, terrible playable unit, especially since he's a sort of omni-tank, and those do poorly.
really shouldn't have been a GHB on god
Should have been a regular 5-star with different skills. Now to wait for his regular or Legendary, because he's not getting a Brave, not enough voters.
I will forever be waiting for Oboro to be done right. From a unit that was really well liked around the Fates era and even in gameplay was pretty good too. Her Refine aged like milk in the sun and Bridal Oboro only existing to be fodder and even then wasn't that good of fodder...one day
My Oboro was my first summon, day one! She is +10, have all possible shenigans and a arcane lance - not my best unit, but she is great now! And yes, I don't even remember what the original weapon refine does lol
Nowadays you gotta get the BEST weapons and skills for your favorite unit that you lose their originality in skill sets that make them who they are. Everyone is just the same now :/
Lol Sigurd in how he was "treated badly" yet wound up decent at the time basically.
Llewyn was hosed ultimatedly given how he was in FE4 with only asc.Ced being closest to that level. Ced too could count
Fredrick would count considering how he could solo Awakening
Yeah it took until legendary and brave for Male Robin(not Grima) to be good.
Base Edelgard is the only one that could remotely count.
Yeah Saber got HOSED.
Promoted Arthur is really good even without the Forseti. FEH definitely did him dirty.
Edelgard on the other hand is a very weird one because the debut one was supposed to be a representation of her in the first half of the game. I would say it's less a problem of base Edel getting poor treatment and more the others getting it too good? Raging Storm is an Aymr thing, but iirc, Summer Edel and Brave Edel don't use Aymr, but still have the galeforce effects baked into their kits. But once FEH put that effect into base Edel's refine, I think that was just their proclamation that "ok you know what? Free galeforce is just Edelgard's whole schtick now, deal with it."
Don't know what to say about the other 3H lords because Claude in particular has similar shenanigans going on where young versions without Failnaught come with Falling Star, except I don't believe base and brave Claude have it anywhere in their kits? But it probably doesn't matter too much because lol Wind Claude exists
tbf Silques warp in gaiden DIDNT give her exp which means that in order for her to get stronger you HAD to use nosferatu....which was even worse than it was in echoes LMFAO
Ar Yes
The Fallen star and true fallen star
Man I was thinking on this video still, and one of the most personal units I forgot to mention who got absolutely slandered in FEH was Priam. He was an absolute beast in Awakening, constantly activating Sol or Luna during every interaction, and decimated everything in his path, in my playthrough at least. Seeing what they did to him in FEH hurts, but I’m holding out hope that when he gets a weapon refine, he’ll be treated better. I’ll keep on using him because he’s my husband.
Nemesis not being a Mythic continues to bewilder me.
An angry godslayer resurrected using dark magic wielding a twisted version of the MCs legendary blade becomes... A slow, generic unit with extremely conditional DR.
Justice for the God-Shattering Star!
Niles too, dude is almost necessary to beat conquest but in feh he’s laughably bad
I want to point Gregor at awakening, very slow, awful, bad accuracy, bad luck and CAN BE GOOD if gets reclassed to Myrmidon/Swordmaster.... But so as others and between all options he is only better than Stahl because of Sol, which isn't much.....
Then he came to Heroes and became an amazing ploy disruption supporter with vulture on the weapon and amazing stats, and slay effect on weapon, he became very different how he is originally for the better.
There are some that im surprised didnt get mentioned
People in the comments have talked about Jafar, and Death Knight
But my personal pick for Most Done Dirty is Henry. They gave my boy one of the lowest attack stats, then gave him a refine that boosted his lowest stat when the opponent had than like 45 ATK (at absolute maximum)
At least his spring alt is fun with Nastrond, but gods what id do to get a Rearmed Henry
Rearmed Henry should be an Axe unit since for some reason he can reclass to barbarian. That or a dagger because theif.
Anyway, yeah I liked Henry in Awakening, but he's practically useless in Heroes.
I'm still upset that even though the game keeps power creeping with each banner, they still made legendary Caeda average upon release. I want a good Caeda alt...
The issue is you think a unit should get something that wasn't in heroes at the time on units, galerforce Edel, canto Titania...
Robin is just good due to overleveling so he was not supposed to be good if the level is limited, to 40.
Edelgard at released was still quite good. She had L!Ephraim weapon with slaying. That she got a better weapon than a legendary, 1 year and half but still, was surprising.
She could probably also use heavy blade galerforce and be one of the best galerforce users back then. Besides it's the crest weapon that gives her Galerforce so it was fair if she didn't have that, specially talking about the pre timeskip Edel when she couldn't have such weapon.
I saw the title and immediately said "Oifeys" to myself before it started
Roy…
His remix was decent considering the DC tax involved better than L.Ike
The people at IS play too much Melee I guess
I think when it comes down to it a lot of characters get a lot worse in Heroes.
Every single prf-less FE3H unit, nearly every staff unit.
Chloé and S;ivy don’t reflect just how broken those two are in Engage. Ivy only having high atk and res is odd.
A ton of early game fliers, like Vanessa.
Loving all of your long form videos
Seth and Titania deserved better!
I'm surprised that they never got ascended or rearmed alts.
Wouldn't mind seeing both of them as a Resonant pairing
@@ltzarz9490 Now Owain and La'Rachel has competition for my most wanted Resonant Unit.
These are your best videos I love them
Felicia is the best mag girl user (bye Elise)and in fates has weak atk silly felicia continues using physical daggers when she’s got good mag so it works cos she’s silly like that and wouldn’t class change to a mage or realise to use flame shuriken but then she got her plate refine which was close enough i guess
11:30 FE6 Rutger could reach that much crit, the Swordmaster (and Berserker) class gave +30 crit. The Wo Dao +40 i think, skill gives 1 crit per 2 points and the swordmaster can reach 30 skill so 15 skill crit max. And some supports do give an boost to crit
And then theres Ike, who canonically is the strongest gigachad of all chads that ever chad'd, but in Feh he is completely mediocre. Ike was at least decent back in 2018 i guess
I’m kind of surprised that there was no mention of Death Knight from Three Houses. If I remember correctly for when his GHB first appeared a lot of people were disappointed with what he got and same goes for his refine too. Nothing special or interesting about it
Gods Death Knight was such a disappointment, especially when he was given discount Qiang like, within a month of Qiang being added
Veld probably got one of the worst treatment in feh, he got put into a gimmicky role with his tome, put into the most oversaturated archetype in the game, and got such a mediocre stat spread [high res and Hp okish attack but awful def and spd]
Hopefully his refine next year will give him the ability where if he defeats a unit he can petrify the unit and make a 1 hp pillar like he did to eyvel.
I knew Titania would be here. If we ever get another Legendary PoR/RD character (I know we just got Elincia, so it’ll be awhile), I’d love to see a Legendary Titania.
You forgot Leo... My poor Leo. Every alt sucks! Even the spring One. I Hope in a Legendary form which can give justice to the One and only King of Nohr (of the Birthright route of course 😂)
While I do agree with early Leo's. Spring Leo really is the redemption Leo. Combine him with GK and he is among one of the better hit and run units in the game for AR. If you have flared sparrow you can double down on his anti-movement also. This Leo is pretty goated.
Yeah, but his picnic alt let's you kill people with sandwiches, which is objectively hilarious.
Seth is in demote hell and it hurts me bc his base is not good despite how many copies i have. And the one good demote we have is an axe cav arguably the worst class in Feh, which i already had two projects at the time
Eyvel easily has the biggest downgrade from her source material, as FEH lets her die
In Thracia, Eyvel is quite literally hard-coded to be unable to die due to [story shenanigans I won't spoil], and every attack which would kill her would be dodged.
And she'd still be great in the final chapter with no level ups, she just needs a couple good blades.
Taking a shot every time he says "relatively"
I'm pretty sure nobody got it as bad as Seth.
Leo :(
I expect an inversion of this topic at some point
17:30 Why is Male Robin is blurry.
the blurred Robin haha
Ayra🤝Karla
Being much more meta defining/op upon release in FEH than they ever were in their own game; and also given bigger busts to appeal to the horny folk (maybe not so much Ayra that last point but definitely Karla)
Legit sick to death of them both lmao; Lyn also
I think its a good thing theyre willing to let strong units in mainline end up weak in FEH. It'd be extremely boring if the meta in FEH was just the mainline FE meta.
Hey ZeShado, I wanna say this. Just in case you don't make a funny as hell video tomorrow, it's my birthday tomorrow. I have been super loyal to you and your videos. I do have a challenge for you. Please make a video of Legendary Male Robin vs Grima Female Robin to the audio of Family Guy Where's My Money. Wouldn't that be funny?
Oboro has to be one of the biggest one of these units.
She was an amazing unit in Fates but then her art was meh and her skills were awful in FEH. She got a beautiful bridal alt but it came with a message literally telling you she's great as fodder.
Oboro was the only non-lord female character to rank higher in popularity than lords in Fates and she was so bad in FEH it's like she actually dropped in popularity for it.
(She did have a few cool niche builds early on but then so did Jagen so that doesn't really change things)
The majority of the launch units got done dirty
Titania, my queen, they killed you, they slain you just for the sake of cheap marketing. 😢
Not gonna mention karel? Man was a scary prepromote unit but in heroes he was a slow wierd hp tank sword unit thats kinda unbuildable
Karel is only a good unit in Binding Blade, as the Sword Saint. The one in Heroes is the version of him from Blazing Sword, the Sword Demon. In Binding Blade, he's great. In Blazing Sword, well... he has a Wo Dao? He's mediocre at best and gets easily outclassed by Guy and Lyn. Better to go for Harken. So his Heroes incarnation quickly falling off kinda makes sense.
Now if Sword Saint Karel isn't one of the best units in Heroes when he eventually gets added, then you can riot.
I just wanna watch a funny FEH video why the Trails gotta follow me to it....
Jaffar is so bad in feh
Idk if Sanaki should be here aswell but I think she should since when she released she was good but not broken!
But when her refine came it was a really medioric refine tbh like it had so much more potential!
wasnt' her refine one of the super early ones? iirc most of those are pretty basic and underwhelming compared to the stuff they have for refines nowadays lol
I still like it for the effect requirement, cute reference to her guards; hopefully her legendary happens before book 10
As amazing as it sounds, you can also put The Reinhardt on this list without telling a single lie.
Thracia is just THAT whack, yo.
So sad but so true :'(
Lindhart-Three Houses.
Disappointed with his reveal trailer.
I _just_ finished +10ing Lindhardt (he's my sibling's favorite character). He's oddly tanky? Boon in Def and ascended Res, 37 45 respectively. Its weird.
Here's hoping when we get his Timeskip, he'll be cool. Or at the very least usable.
Jaffar from fe7 got robbed by the series transition for assassins being dagger units and not crit gods
13:09 Tell that to my high investment Raigh >:)
Dude, have you PLAYED Thracia 776? Asbel is cracked as fuck. You pretty much cannot beat 8x without him.
Bro my King of Brawling Balthus got an axe bro i don’t wanna hear it ;-;
The inheritor of the fucking Lance of Ruin got an axe, idk what the hell IS was thinking
Camilla didn't need reclassing to be broken though, that's what made her the actual best unit in Fates and one of the strongest in the series : she joins early and is fully ready to carry the player all the way to endgame right off the bat. The only thing she could need was Bowbreaker, but even without it she could still take on an archer in EP even in the lategame because she was that good lol.
I remember in my original file getting near the start of the game and getting a 5-star Camilla and having her tink enemies with her brave axe.
@@samkeiser9776 I'm guessing you're talking about FEH, in which case yeah she was done dirty. In my comment I was just bouncing off the statement that in Fates she needed reclassement to become a powerhouse, which I don't think is the case. It can definitely help her, especially if you leave her in Sorcerer or Witch for a bit, but you can also never reclass her and she'll still be your best unit. Because of RNG just like everyone else she's not immune to stat screwage, but even if she only gets bad level ups her bases will carry her a long way.
Eyvelchads…
It's Me-lady. It's a Hispanic name, like Mercedes
Suprise felecia nohr maid not here lol or like rebecca lol
cold steel fan. unsubbing.
Camilla didn't need reclassing to be broken though, that's what made her the actual best unit in Fates and one of the strongest in the series : she joins early and is fully ready to carry the player all the way to endgame right off the bat. The only thing she could need was Bowbreaker, but even without it she could still take on an archer in EP even in the lategame because she was that good lol.