I'm interested to hear your opinion of Norco eMTBs; I have the 2023 Norco Fluid VLT A1. I'm totally new to eMTBs but I am really enjoying this bike. I have ridden it to work four days this week and each way is 10km with an unavoidable river valley to traverse along the way. Certainly I would like to hear your comments on my particular model but if you have opinions generally about the Norco VLT line, I would really like to hear that too. Thanks!
not necessarily missed but rarely known is that ZF first major e bike motor was the Sachs , now known as BMZ BMz is the high end german battery company which supplies batteries for Brose and also sells Brose replacement motors .
Steve. Can I take you back a few months when you pitched several bikes against each other in a timed climb. The Rocky Mountain Altitude Powerplay beat the all the other bikes not by a fraction but rather a country mile. OK I know absolute power isn't everything but you were mightily impressed. However the bike does even get a notable mention in this list. Are they not paying you enough?? Price can't be an issue given some of the other bikes you list. PLEASE EXPLAIN!!!
Too right Stuart! I knew there was a few i'd missed out there. In fact the RM was ahead of the curve eight years ago right?! And now with the update they did, still some bike. Could that be number 10 you think?
Brutal , this episode should just have been named "best sponsors ebikes " with a few otbers thrown in for good measure. Basically, same old rides we see week in week out , you would think canyon, whyte and more recently kellys are the only main suppliers of ebikes. 😂😂😂😂 no 10 was a complete new list of minor sponsors. Rocky Mountain was described as a complete machine of an ebike in trials not so long ago now its gone , no mention , no place for any sworks specialized / ibis , transition , scott ...privateer... big world out there that could be discussed in detail.
Yes you're totally right on RM, and i've mentioned this to Stuart above. My fault. On the Levo, i certainly thought hard about that, I think it could make a list of 'the next key ebikes' as its now near the end of its three year cycle possibly? Please feel free to add the reasons you believe the others should make the list
@jonathangriffin7042 100% agree , if the episode was called here is some brands Iam paid to promote then I could live with that , we have been living with that , for some time, and iam not saying the brands being promoted are shit rides , they are great , but looking at the same old ones week in week out and having them over promoted under a new headline each time is just ...well shit. Best ebikes ever canyon , whyte etc best ebikes to go up hill canyon , whyte etc ....best budget bikes canyon , whyte some other actually budget sponsored bike .....brst ebike goung dh canyon , whyte etc ....best battery canyon, whyte ...and so on 😂😂😂
I know a lad who has the same bike 4000 miles and trouble free, he has plenty of money but says why upgrade when he still enjoys his ride! People are after way too much in a bike these days and still can't ride 😅
While I like the idea of the Pinion, the problem is, that it's currently more like a beta version, pretty noise and some shifting operations aren't that smoothly sometimes (at least I heard about, didn't test it myself yet). This means, as soon as there is a new improved version coming out, it will become very difficult to sell bikes with the old flawed version on the second-hand market or, if so, only with huge discounts. Of course, that's always a problem with "new products", but since these bikes are pretty expensive in comparison, I would not be willing to take the risk to be honest 🤨 If there would be a guarantee, that you can replace this motor with an improved version for a reasonable price later (battery+display need to remain compatible), it would surely be beneficial to reduce the fear 😁
Who knows 🤷♂️ It will depend on what is needed to fix the flaws, from out testing the noise wasn't a huge deal. But if Pinion use the same mount layout that would mean that the consumer would be able to swap out for a newer model if they choose to do so. Or potentially even 'upgrade' their current motor's internals so solve some of the issues.
@@JamesGoddard-i7s I agree, the prices drop significantly on all models, a huge problem, but on the other hand I don't see myself as an investor, I pay the full price (and they are not cheap), so I am not willing to deal with some major flaws. It seems, that they have released a motor, that is not yet ready to be released. Would you buy a car with a motor, that has known flaws just to keep a company "in the game"? Might be a personal preference, but I would clearly not, I would wait for a second version where they fix these issues and if they are running out of money until then, I am not blaming myself, then they should have paid more attention to their first version. They always claim to have worked on it for several years, but why is it failing in real world environment so badly? That's always hard to understand, same with Fazua, which totally destroyed their reputation over the last year. Might sound a bit harsh, but that's how the market works everywhere, I don't see why the bike industry should be handled special in any way, even less if they are asking for prices that are coming more and more closer to a car. If someone wants to support this new tech, he/she surely can do so, personally I would not see it as an option at the moment. Might be changing, if these issues can be fixed via software update, but it sounds, like the problem is in the gearbox itself, so it's unclear at this point if this is possible Regarding the battery tech from Kelly, I am pretty sure that Kelly is not producing these batteries on their own. If they have these connections to a battery producer, a company like Bosch (one of the biggest electronic companies in the world, they produce and sell millions of electronic tools and ebike motors each year) surely has them too, even with better conditions, so it seems more to be a business decision from Boschs' side. Probably cheaper and they know the people will buy it anyway, so they can push out the maximum of profit with older tech.
👍There are to many choise to day😂. I just sold my Yamaha moro that I rebuilt with Marvic mullet, Öhlin RXF36 170mm fork, Fox factory coil (216×63 instead of 210x55), XTR groups with 10-45T shots cage. It had a very nice geometry ,but,,,,, I didn't like the lack of change the power of the diffrent modes, witch I as a person that "race against the battery capacity" wants to have opportunity to do😂. I had to try a full power Emtb and now that is done. I stuck to my 3 low power Emtbs that I built from frameset. One 35Nm, one 50Nm, one 60Nm and this winter I maby finde som other projekt😋😉. This is my life just now, ski in the winter, built a bike while longing fore the summer😂😂😂
If the Nicolai were available in the US I would have one. I contacted Nicolai and they said the US is not allowing the import of the Fit batteries. Fit makes the battery for Nicolai. We can import cheap Chinese batteries that catch fire but not a high end battery like made by Fit? What am I missing?
Dji have changed the game. I've been considering a lighter ebike for a while but don't want to sacrifice power. Now we don't have to. I do have to save for a bit longer though.
@embn I think it would be great if you were to feature smaller brands that are good bikes but don’t have the advertising budget that some of the other brands have. I’m sure there are more than a handful that could help add depth and a “hometown” feel to some of your episodes. I vote for superhuman bikes specifically The Weapon X. Quite a story behind this bike 👍
One can ride a bike with geometry a little off and lower end components but it's the motor that is of first importance in my book and that mean manuf backup, and reliability with water exposure.
was thinking about the Canyon Strive:On CFR but lately leaning more to the Merida eOneSixty 7000 will probably buy something next year when the 2024 models are on sale (unless something amazing comes in the 5-7k euro budget)
Most of these bikes you have mentioned are not available world wide. Very Euro centric. Only adds to the frustration as we wait years to get a leg over some of these.
Coming back from the ebike festival in Verbier I heardnthe following information. 2025 new BOSCH batteries should be 600 and 800 WH . No info about the new expected performance CX motor. But several brands talked about the SX torque to improve from 55 to 65 NM. Let's see what happens
Trek has launched the Slash+ which is on my radar and I hope EMBN will give a test ride to. I had looked a Trek Fuel EXe for a long time before going with the non-bike Fuel Ex for reasons... But budget willing maybe I'll have a Slash+.
I pondered long and hard about the Levo and the Rail, but maybe they'd make a list of 'the next key ebikes' seeing as they feel close to their three year cycles of developement?
What is becoming critical is motor durability and serviceability…… Motors need to include moisture and mechanical fault detection (vibration) which are within the capabilities of the manufacturers, their design team and established off the shelf low cost technologies.
1. Is standart industrial double clutsch gesrbox used by pinion and followers, 2. Supertechnology in Elecric mortors development - DJI, ZF and followers, switching from 36 V to higher volatage - to decrease an current (A) and increase speed of charging ... Howgh Jiri
Unfortunately I can't trust this content more than being a a paid advertisement. Funny how bikes drop off the list when they aren't sending you demos or pushing you flow etc.
@@stevejones7956 they're not going to add bikes based off of comments. They just say that to make people feel like they're part of the process. Bikes will get added/removed based on what the manufacturers send them. This is a business transaction.
I would love to see a more powerful version of that. Double the range, power between 4-10 kw, about 30 kg with throttle. 29-er with over 160mm of suspension. No speed limit.😊
I’ve ridden the others. The Exe’s build quality, sytem integration, seamless motor and chassis handling are second to none. And, it has more than enough assistance for me and a lot of other people. And, it’s as stealthy as any other Ebike.
@@Shawn-in-da-Canyon yeah they fall asleep, by now they should have had the new battery version at least. This video is about new cool bikes, the fact that exe was 2022 new (released for 23 season I guess) since then nothing changed, bike is selling poorly o guess and is not priced right
lol so many people whining about how it's missing some bike and how it's paid content did you not listen or what? it's not about the best bike or the bike to get it's about bikes that are innovative in some way (drivetrain, geometry etc) and therefore may influence the bike industry, thus it's a bike you should know about no-one said the dji amflow or the pinion nicolai is the best bike but it has innovative tech that will most likely influence future of emtb bike design
Everybody thinks they have the best dog and none of them are wrong.. I've gone backwards and ended up with my best bike. 2018 Red carbon levo. Quietest 1.3 aluminium brose motor ever (rebuilt with stronger belt and bearings & fully sealed) two 500wh batteries, 14 speed manual change Rohloff hub ,170mm Fox 38's, DPX2 Kashima shock, 9point8 steering head Slacker kit, 29x3 front tyre,27.5 x3.25 ???rear ,seat fully foward to effectively steepen seat tube angle and 150 mm cranks.. Silence is golden and goodbye derailleurs. It really works for me and I won't have to listen to the coffee grinder sound of the new unattainable pinion MGU. E=Mtb²
Almost all the same design /system.....I'm on my 5th E-bike brand the latest the Haibike Almtn and I've also got the Nduro both with the Yam PWX-3 and I've been really impressed the power delivery it is excellent I've had Bosch Brose and Yamaha but with Giant software in the past and it's a different motor just miles better with standard Yamaha tune/software.
No "key e-bike"list can be complete without the Levo on it. Yes, it's not brand new, but it remains one of the best-selling, most loved packages available. Not least of which because of the unmatched backup and service the Specialised product range enjoys.
Got myself a DIY build your own E-bike kit , wasn't disappointed with mine i assure you 😊, Built my own ebike very easily , have built most of the bikes I've owned , this was easy for me I've experience as said , love my bike it's transformed my life and lifestyle ten fold , Bafang 48 v / 20 ah battery on a Naimp kit with a 1500 w Beast of a motor and it's paradise to ride , can Cary a range of 12 to 20 miles on just one full charge and is so smooth to cruse on. As long as you get the correct battery for the kit and read up on correct battery charging and care safety you won't have any of the problems the nightmare stories in the news are shaming the bikes with. Trust me , all you need to do is make sure your battery is compatible with the intake of the motor and the control box , next remember these key things : don't charge when sleeping , be at home while charging and make sure the charger is 1 compatible with the battery or supplied with it 2 only charge if the battery has been resting for half an hour with no use prior to charging and avoid long term functioning battery usage in weather temperatures about 28 degrees c . Store your battery in a reasonably cool place when not using it regardless of if it's stored on the bike it should be kept in the shade when not in use for long periods of time , Simple things to remember and easy things to do to stop or prevent battery fire , bye your battery and kit New from a reputable trusted seller who's definitely got additional genuine public feedback on there review section that is good compliment on there advert from the general public . Do these acts of care and experience NO problems with your battery.
I dont understand why people like hard bass-line in talking videos when the speaker jumps and people with better sound systems must scroll volume up and down most of the time already late.
The problem I have is give the price of these bikes and the fact the technology is moving so fast it makes the outlay of my hard earned cash hard to justify. Unless you have money to burn it seems like you the moment you decide on what something better comes along.
This video is ridiculous! The Cannondale Moterra SL has rewritten the rulebook for all time on full fat eMTB and is the first full power superlight (19Kg) design from a mainstram brand. Sure I know DJI have their equivavalent, but that's hardly a mainstream brand and frankly most people will struggle to find one anywhere. What disappoints me most of all is that I watched your channel when I was buying and yet now I can blatantly see just how biased your coverage of bikes is. Editorial integrity is everything as a review site and to ignore the one e-bike that has single handedly changed the game is simply unforgivable. The fact it was released in the past few months to huge acclaim and is a bike you can ride or buy in thousands of bike shops worldwide right now only compounds the folly.
Interesting point, Moterra SL is awesome for sure, higher torque, lightweight at 20kg, truly great geometry...it's just that if we're tallking weight the Kelly's is 820wh and 20kg whereas the SL is 600wh and 20kg right? You're totally right very much needs to be in the mix, let's put it in as a possible for top ten, that's whole point of this, just not sure it has 'singlehandedly changed the game'. Let's see if we have more takers for that spot ...but i will revisit this with your comment
@@stevejones7956 Thanks Steve - I do suspect that the way forward in eMTB will be decreased weight for full fat ebikes and the Cannondale would seem to be the first from a mainstream manufacturer that is leading the charge. Personally it was out of my budget, it doesn't have a Bosch motor and as you say it only has 80% of the battery capacity of a normal full fat but it's clearly the way things are heading. Personally I just bought the Cannondale Moterra Carbon 1 as it was heavily reduced and is I think around 24Kg with 750 battery and Bosch motor.but I'm a big guy and prepared to suffer the inconvenience of a heavy machine to move around. The reassuring thing is it doesn't feel heavy when I ride - it actually feels very 'alive'.
The truth is that the ebike industry is struggling , most are losing money on all the bikes they sell. They had it good when everyone was sitting home. Now the economy is changing , and the prices are way overpriced for what is at the end of the day, a bike with an electric motor. Compared to a motor vehicle, the tec is low tec, but they want car money lol
Steve Does Not Read Anything Much From What i Can Tell So Why Bother Replying ? What Most People Probably Want to See Are Bikes that are Truly Game Changers and Not Old Tech at High Prices Over and over Again. More Gearbox Driven Bikes at a Cheaper Price,Not Old Tech
Too ass heavy on rear but they work great. I had a front wheel drive. It sucked even on the street and especially around corners which could be particularly dangerous. I just don’t know about all wheel but I’d try in on enduro rides and give it a shot. Mid drive for now.
You keep saying "literally" just done this and that. Do you know what that word means? If you couldn't have figuratively done those things, then literally is the wrong word. The correct word is "actually" not "literally".
So you got to 9 in what you consider the best, couldn't make it to 10 and yet you name a further 9 worthy of a mention, you gave the only forward thinking package, Nicolai no time at all and Canyon too much time, all in all, a pointless exercise.
Have we missed anything from this list? Let us know what you would include!
I'm interested to hear your opinion of Norco eMTBs; I have the 2023 Norco Fluid VLT A1. I'm totally new to eMTBs but I am really enjoying this bike. I have ridden it to work four days this week and each way is 10km with an unavoidable river valley to traverse along the way. Certainly I would like to hear your comments on my particular model but if you have opinions generally about the Norco VLT line, I would really like to hear that too. Thanks!
not necessarily missed but rarely known is that ZF first major e bike motor was the Sachs , now known as BMZ BMz is the high end german battery company which supplies batteries for Brose and also sells Brose replacement motors .
Impartiality
Wyatt about FANTIC
@@embnsomeday i would like to see motor software, display, app battery layout those things are importan too
Steve. Can I take you back a few months when you pitched several bikes against each other in a timed climb. The Rocky Mountain Altitude Powerplay beat the all the other bikes not by a fraction but rather a country mile. OK I know absolute power isn't everything but you were mightily impressed. However the bike does even get a notable mention in this list. Are they not paying you enough?? Price can't be an issue given some of the other bikes you list. PLEASE EXPLAIN!!!
Too right Stuart! I knew there was a few i'd missed out there. In fact the RM was ahead of the curve eight years ago right?! And now with the update they did, still some bike. Could that be number 10 you think?
These guys are just making a business deal. It's not about what bikes are really the best. Leaving Rocky Mountain and YT off the list is laughable.
@@bbeenn then don't watch 🙂
Does the Trek EXe still stack up?
Just bought a Merida e160 CF (7K model). Superb bike, awesome fun to ride.
Can you do a video on the “personalities” of each e-bike motor? I’d like to know the “feel” and pros and cons of each. 🙏
Brutal , this episode should just have been named "best sponsors ebikes " with a few otbers thrown in for good measure. Basically, same old rides we see week in week out , you would think canyon, whyte and more recently kellys are the only main suppliers of ebikes. 😂😂😂😂 no 10 was a complete new list of minor sponsors. Rocky Mountain was described as a complete machine of an ebike in trials not so long ago now its gone , no mention , no place for any sworks specialized / ibis , transition , scott ...privateer... big world out there that could be discussed in detail.
@@pablojmcglynn2863 pretty telling when the Whyte got included in the list but he couldn’t really think of a reason: “just go ride it, lots of grip” 😳
Yes you're totally right on RM, and i've mentioned this to Stuart above. My fault. On the Levo, i certainly thought hard about that, I think it could make a list of 'the next key ebikes' as its now near the end of its three year cycle possibly? Please feel free to add the reasons you believe the others should make the list
@jonathangriffin7042 100% agree , if the episode was called here is some brands Iam paid to promote then I could live with that , we have been living with that , for some time, and iam not saying the brands being promoted are shit rides , they are great , but looking at the same old ones week in week out and having them over promoted under a new headline each time is just ...well shit. Best ebikes ever canyon , whyte etc best ebikes to go up hill canyon , whyte etc ....best budget bikes canyon , whyte some other actually budget sponsored bike .....brst ebike goung dh canyon , whyte etc ....best battery canyon, whyte ...and so on 😂😂😂
Think ill stick with my Gen 2 Kenevo - trouble free so far & super fun.
I know a lad who has the same bike 4000 miles and trouble free, he has plenty of money but says why upgrade when he still enjoys his ride! People are after way too much in a bike these days and still can't ride 😅
@@Emtbwebb I'm hearing ya 👍
While I like the idea of the Pinion, the problem is, that it's currently more like a beta version, pretty noise and some shifting operations aren't that smoothly sometimes (at least I heard about, didn't test it myself yet). This means, as soon as there is a new improved version coming out, it will become very difficult to sell bikes with the old flawed version on the second-hand market or, if so, only with huge discounts. Of course, that's always a problem with "new products", but since these bikes are pretty expensive in comparison, I would not be willing to take the risk to be honest 🤨 If there would be a guarantee, that you can replace this motor with an improved version for a reasonable price later (battery+display need to remain compatible), it would surely be beneficial to reduce the fear 😁
Who knows 🤷♂️ It will depend on what is needed to fix the flaws, from out testing the noise wasn't a huge deal. But if Pinion use the same mount layout that would mean that the consumer would be able to swap out for a newer model if they choose to do so. Or potentially even 'upgrade' their current motor's internals so solve some of the issues.
@@JamesGoddard-i7s I agree, the prices drop significantly on all models, a huge problem, but on the other hand I don't see myself as an investor, I pay the full price (and they are not cheap), so I am not willing to deal with some major flaws. It seems, that they have released a motor, that is not yet ready to be released. Would you buy a car with a motor, that has known flaws just to keep a company "in the game"? Might be a personal preference, but I would clearly not, I would wait for a second version where they fix these issues and if they are running out of money until then, I am not blaming myself, then they should have paid more attention to their first version. They always claim to have worked on it for several years, but why is it failing in real world environment so badly? That's always hard to understand, same with Fazua, which totally destroyed their reputation over the last year.
Might sound a bit harsh, but that's how the market works everywhere, I don't see why the bike industry should be handled special in any way, even less if they are asking for prices that are coming more and more closer to a car. If someone wants to support this new tech, he/she surely can do so, personally I would not see it as an option at the moment. Might be changing, if these issues can be fixed via software update, but it sounds, like the problem is in the gearbox itself, so it's unclear at this point if this is possible
Regarding the battery tech from Kelly, I am pretty sure that Kelly is not producing these batteries on their own. If they have these connections to a battery producer, a company like Bosch (one of the biggest electronic companies in the world, they produce and sell millions of electronic tools and ebike motors each year) surely has them too, even with better conditions, so it seems more to be a business decision from Boschs' side. Probably cheaper and they know the people will buy it anyway, so they can push out the maximum of profit with older tech.
👍There are to many choise to day😂.
I just sold my Yamaha moro that I rebuilt with Marvic mullet, Öhlin RXF36 170mm fork, Fox factory coil (216×63 instead of 210x55), XTR groups with 10-45T shots cage.
It had a very nice geometry ,but,,,,, I didn't like the lack of change the power of the diffrent modes, witch I as a person that "race against the battery capacity" wants to have opportunity to do😂.
I had to try a full power Emtb and now that is done. I stuck to my 3 low power Emtbs that I built from frameset. One 35Nm, one 50Nm, one 60Nm and this winter I maby finde som other projekt😋😉.
This is my life just now, ski in the winter, built a bike while longing fore the summer😂😂😂
Steve is the only fella I'd allow to get his leg over on my favourite ride.
Did you ride M or L on the Canyon Strive Steve? How was the fit for your liking? Thx
This list paints a well thick line of what bikes are actually forward tech vs. regurgitation.
I just wish more of these brands were easily available here in the States
If the Nicolai were available in the US I would have one. I contacted Nicolai and they said the US is not allowing the import of the Fit batteries. Fit makes the battery for Nicolai. We can import cheap Chinese batteries that catch fire but not a high end battery like made by Fit? What am I missing?
I love my Giant Reign E+0............... but that DJI AMFLOW looks amazing.
I cant wait to get my Amflow Pl pro !!!!!
Dji have changed the game. I've been considering a lighter ebike for a while but don't want to sacrifice power. Now we don't have to. I do have to save for a bit longer though.
10K bikes that don’t exist can’t change the game.
Yeah. The developments are great for future bikes. Save for a couple years and buy a much better bike.
@embn I think it would be great if you were to feature smaller brands that are good bikes but don’t have the advertising budget that some of the other brands have. I’m sure there are more than a handful that could help add depth and a “hometown” feel to some of your episodes. I vote for superhuman bikes specifically The Weapon X. Quite a story behind this bike 👍
what about testing the motors to see if they are the NMS the manufacturers CLAIM .
Excellent idea, and so true right?!
Would love to see shimano do a motor with gearbox, wish we could get canyon ebikes here in New Zealand
Please do more reviews with the Giant range, haven’t seen much lately 👌
One can ride a bike with geometry a little off and lower end components but it's the motor that is of first importance in my book and that mean manuf backup, and reliability with water exposure.
was thinking about the Canyon Strive:On CFR but lately leaning more to the Merida eOneSixty 7000
will probably buy something next year when the 2024 models are on sale (unless something amazing comes in the 5-7k euro budget)
Most of these bikes you have mentioned are not available world wide. Very Euro centric. Only adds to the frustration as we wait years to get a leg over some of these.
It's time Steve. Get it buzzed mate.
Heckler SL FTW!
DJI is the real new eMTB!
Vaporware!
Coming back from the ebike festival in Verbier I heardnthe following information. 2025 new BOSCH batteries should be 600 and 800 WH . No info about the new expected performance CX motor. But several brands talked about the SX torque to improve from 55 to 65 NM. Let's see what happens
Nice list, too bad we can't get ANY of them here in Canazuela
Trek has launched the Slash+ which is on my radar and I hope EMBN will give a test ride to. I had looked a Trek Fuel EXe for a long time before going with the non-bike Fuel Ex for reasons... But budget willing maybe I'll have a Slash+.
No mentioning of propain? Especially the canyon torque:on vs. the ekano 2 AL.
When will we see your full ride review? You've had this bike for a year?
Have you thrown your leg over a Norco Range VLT ? I highly recommend you do so asap. Love your videos !
The validity of this list comes into questions since there are no Specialized bikes mentioned
I pondered long and hard about the Levo and the Rail, but maybe they'd make a list of 'the next key ebikes' seeing as they feel close to their three year cycles of developement?
Specialized Kenevo SL ? Levo SL ? Gen1 & gen2 still kings
How come no Focus E-bikes are making the cut?
If Santa Cruz put that new ZF motor in their Heckler, I will buy a new eMTB.
What is becoming critical is motor durability and serviceability…… Motors need to include moisture and mechanical fault detection (vibration) which are within the capabilities of the manufacturers, their design team and established off the shelf low cost technologies.
1. Is standart industrial double clutsch gesrbox used by pinion and followers,
2. Supertechnology in Elecric mortors development - DJI, ZF and followers, switching from 36 V to higher volatage - to decrease an current (A) and increase speed of charging ...
Howgh
Jiri
I want a Trek E-Caliber with a TQ motor, drop bars, gravel tires, and a 10-52 cassette.
Unfortunately I can't trust this content more than being a a paid advertisement.
Funny how bikes drop off the list when they aren't sending you demos or pushing you flow etc.
Good point 🤔🤔
It's just an excuse to but another top sponsor Canyone in there somewhere at this point.
Please feel free to add bikes with reasons for your choice, that's a key part of this discussion right?
@@stevejones7956 they're not going to add bikes based off of comments. They just say that to make people feel like they're part of the process. Bikes will get added/removed based on what the manufacturers send them. This is a business transaction.
So the designers from the Raymon one where so lazy enough to pretty much copy paste not only the design but the colors of
The orbea wild 😂
Specialized not mentioned?
you've missed out the Mondraker Neat
C'est pas possible de faire ce genre de liste sans le pivot shuttle SL !!!! 17,5 kg et une des meilleure suspension du marché !
Shimano ep8 need only dealer for question & answer, not email anything like that. Ep801 needs dealer update only, for light accesories too.
Sad not to se the hai bike Nduro range all good specs and prices 😢 ❤ i just got me a '24 nduro
AMFLOW or bust.
Pinion belt drive is the future. All the rest is old news.
Yes, chain maintenance and drivetrain wear are the biggest drawbacks to ebikes and mtb's in general.
I would love to see a more powerful version of that. Double the range, power between 4-10 kw, about 30 kg with throttle. 29-er with over 160mm of suspension. No speed limit.😊
I've seen 'the future' of biking so many times though. We'll have to see, but scrapping derailleur and chain would be sweet
Why nobody talks about simplon bikes
@@porroco They are probably very expensive.
You loved turbo levo’s what happened?
The Trek EXe should be there!
why ? its 2 years old bike - tech, geo, range...
I’ve ridden the others. The Exe’s build quality, sytem integration, seamless motor and chassis handling are second to none. And, it has more than enough assistance for me and a lot of other people. And, it’s as stealthy as any other Ebike.
@@Shawn-in-da-Canyon yeah they fall asleep, by now they should have had the new battery version at least. This video is about new cool bikes, the fact that exe was 2022 new (released for 23 season I guess) since then nothing changed, bike is selling poorly o guess and is not priced right
Well that’s weird. Because at my girlfriend’s bike shop, they can’t keep them in stock.
lol so many people whining about how it's missing some bike and how it's paid content
did you not listen or what? it's not about the best bike or the bike to get
it's about bikes that are innovative in some way (drivetrain, geometry etc) and therefore may influence the bike industry, thus it's a bike you should know about
no-one said the dji amflow or the pinion nicolai is the best bike but it has innovative tech that will most likely influence future of emtb bike design
Everybody thinks they have the best dog and none of them are wrong..
I've gone backwards and ended up with my best bike. 2018 Red carbon levo. Quietest 1.3 aluminium brose motor ever (rebuilt with stronger belt and bearings & fully sealed) two 500wh batteries, 14 speed manual change Rohloff hub ,170mm Fox 38's, DPX2 Kashima shock, 9point8 steering head Slacker kit, 29x3 front tyre,27.5 x3.25 ???rear ,seat fully foward to effectively steepen seat tube angle and 150 mm cranks.. Silence is golden and goodbye derailleurs. It really works for me and I won't have to listen to the coffee grinder sound of the new unattainable pinion MGU. E=Mtb²
Any bike without derailer
We're just going to pretend that sky behind him is natural...
Almost all the same design /system.....I'm on my 5th E-bike brand the latest the Haibike Almtn and I've also got the Nduro both with the Yam PWX-3 and I've been really impressed the power delivery it is excellent I've had Bosch Brose and Yamaha but with Giant software in the past and it's a different motor just miles better with standard Yamaha tune/software.
No "key e-bike"list can be complete without the Levo on it. Yes, it's not brand new, but it remains one of the best-selling, most loved packages available. Not least of which because of the unmatched backup and service the Specialised product range enjoys.
How does one choose, without feeling like you made the wrong choice.
Have you tried the Propain Sresh with a proper config?
Lovely CHEMTRAILS in the sky!!
Yeah, because that's a thing...
not one of these bikes available in canada
Not really fair how long you guys are holding your grudge with Specialized.
Might as well chuck mine in a skip … 😆
nice chem trails
Got myself a DIY build your own E-bike kit , wasn't disappointed with mine i assure you 😊, Built my own ebike very easily , have built most of the bikes I've owned , this was easy for me I've experience as said , love my bike it's transformed my life and lifestyle ten fold , Bafang 48 v / 20 ah battery on a Naimp kit with a 1500 w Beast of a motor and it's paradise to ride , can Cary a range of 12 to 20 miles on just one full charge and is so smooth to cruse on. As long as you get the correct battery for the kit and read up on correct battery charging and care safety you won't have any of the problems the nightmare stories in the news are shaming the bikes with. Trust me , all you need to do is make sure your battery is compatible with the intake of the motor and the control box , next remember these key things : don't charge when sleeping , be at home while charging and make sure the charger is 1 compatible with the battery or supplied with it 2 only charge if the battery has been resting for half an hour with no use prior to charging and avoid long term functioning battery usage in weather temperatures about 28 degrees c . Store your battery in a reasonably cool place when not using it regardless of if it's stored on the bike it should be kept in the shade when not in use for long periods of time , Simple things to remember and easy things to do to stop or prevent battery fire , bye your battery and kit New from a reputable trusted seller who's definitely got additional genuine public feedback on there review section that is good compliment on there advert from the general public . Do these acts of care and experience NO problems with your battery.
I dont understand why people like hard bass-line in talking videos when the speaker jumps and people with better sound systems must scroll volume up and down most of the time already late.
The problem I have is give the price of these bikes and the fact the technology is moving so fast it makes the outlay of my hard earned cash hard to justify.
Unless you have money to burn it seems like you the moment you decide on what something better comes along.
This video is ridiculous! The Cannondale Moterra SL has rewritten the rulebook for all time on full fat eMTB and is the first full power superlight (19Kg) design from a mainstram brand. Sure I know DJI have their equivavalent, but that's hardly a mainstream brand and frankly most people will struggle to find one anywhere. What disappoints me most of all is that I watched your channel when I was buying and yet now I can blatantly see just how biased your coverage of bikes is.
Editorial integrity is everything as a review site and to ignore the one e-bike that has single handedly changed the game is simply unforgivable. The fact it was released in the past few months to huge acclaim and is a bike you can ride or buy in thousands of bike shops worldwide right now only compounds the folly.
Interesting point, Moterra SL is awesome for sure, higher torque, lightweight at 20kg, truly great geometry...it's just that if we're tallking weight the Kelly's is 820wh and 20kg whereas the SL is 600wh and 20kg right? You're totally right very much needs to be in the mix, let's put it in as a possible for top ten, that's whole point of this, just not sure it has 'singlehandedly changed the game'. Let's see if we have more takers for that spot ...but i will revisit this with your comment
@@stevejones7956 Thanks Steve - I do suspect that the way forward in eMTB will be decreased weight for full fat ebikes and the Cannondale would seem to be the first from a mainstream manufacturer that is leading the charge. Personally it was out of my budget, it doesn't have a Bosch motor and as you say it only has 80% of the battery capacity of a normal full fat but it's clearly the way things are heading.
Personally I just bought the Cannondale Moterra Carbon 1 as it was heavily reduced and is I think around 24Kg with 750 battery and Bosch motor.but I'm a big guy and prepared to suffer the inconvenience of a heavy machine to move around. The reassuring thing is it doesn't feel heavy when I ride - it actually feels very 'alive'.
Where are te bulls bikes 😹
The truth is that the ebike industry is struggling , most are losing money on all the bikes they sell. They had it good when everyone was sitting home. Now the economy is changing , and the prices are way overpriced for what is at the end of the day, a bike with an electric motor. Compared to a motor vehicle, the tec is low tec, but they want car money lol
where the levos at?
Steve Does Not Read Anything Much From What i Can Tell So Why Bother Replying ?
What Most People Probably Want to See Are Bikes that are Truly Game Changers and Not Old Tech at High Prices Over and over Again.
More Gearbox Driven Bikes at a Cheaper Price,Not Old Tech
Hopefully Bosch can get the navigation to actually make an effort and work on their kiox system. What a load of shit
In-hub all wheel motors will be the future.
Too ass heavy on rear but they work great. I had a front wheel drive. It sucked even on the street and especially around corners which could be particularly dangerous. I just don’t know about all wheel but I’d try in on enduro rides and give it a shot. Mid drive for now.
@@ken46120 yes. for now.
You keep saying "literally" just done this and that. Do you know what that word means? If you couldn't have figuratively done those things, then literally is the wrong word. The correct word is "actually" not "literally".
So you got to 9 in what you consider the best, couldn't make it to 10 and yet you name a further 9 worthy of a mention, you gave the only forward thinking package, Nicolai no time at all and Canyon too much time, all in all, a pointless exercise.
Man no one likes the gas gas ugh
Hahaha 😂
Like why not? Best looking bike
Actually a pretty good ride.
@@pauliepunk_1 I agree.
belt drive is not the future. and never will be.