What about Runners Who Have High Arches or Supinate? | Shoe Selections
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- What are the shoe characteristics that runners can look out for when it comes to high arches and supination? We talk about medial support often, but what runners may need is a bit different when it comes to lateral stability and underfoot support. Matt and Nathan dig in.
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I have flat feet and supinate. It doesn't bother me other than some of my shoes being practically shredded on the lateral side of the forefoot.
Which shoes do u wear? Have you ever consulted with a doctor about that issue (flat feet but supinate)?
@@user-vk2ei5ze4y I used to have custom insoles as a child. which I never wore, because they hurt to walk on. I didn't run back then. I've been using the New Balance More v4 since a few months, which seems to be holding up pretty good after 130 km (the Saucony Ride 15 showed considerable wear within 20 km), and I like it so much that I've bought a second pair. I have lots of shoes, but almost only use the More and the RC Elite v2 at the moment.
@@theghostofpcs2391 Thanks! do you feel 'stable' (and supinating less) when running in More v4?
@@user-vk2ei5ze4y Yes! The More v 4 is a very stable shoe, because it has a wide base, and there are raised sidewalls. I'll even use the shoe on some light trails. I do have to say, that when the shoe was new, it felt like it wanted to push me onto the outside just walking around. It didn't affect my running though. The 1080 v12 showed a lot more wear with 50 km less, so for me it's a success.
@@user-vk2ei5ze4y I am a fore/midfoot striker though, I've seen some heel strikers complain about the 4 mm drop, but it doesn't affect me at all.
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO. NO ONE TALKS ABOUT SPECIFIC SHOES FOR US!
The degrees of supination and pronation that cause issues will 100% depend on the body type of the individual and their Feats relation to their hips which is different for everyone which is why it has never been defined because the moment you define pronation it's just going to be wrong for a huge part of the population. People really have to understand that all of the advice is just general and to really get what's best for them they're going to have to do their homework on themselves and figure out what they're working with because if you just show up and ask specialist that issue store what's best for you they can only give you vaguely general advice that tends to work for most. But if you're one of those weird people that got flat feet and also somehow supinate you really need to kind of figure it out yourself because there is no rule book on what's best for that every person has a very unique situation and we all might end up having the same problem for different reasons. So just keep in mind it's all general advice but at the end of the day you really got to do your homework on yourself. Its definitely homework to get to understand your anatomy and how its unique to you and using that understanding to sift through information online because not all of it will apply to you.
People somehow always think that everyone is the same like some thing that came out of the box. But literally everything is different in a body from one person to the next. Even if they are the same height.
If you start to look for differences like leg length and these are the same you always can go deeper and find differences. Hips are extremely complicated.
So you are right there are no a answers like that you always have to do detective work.
Good point about the need for lateral stability when it comes to oversupinators. Shoe companies tend to equate stability with features such as medial wedges which are for overpronators. Ultimately, stability comes from the midsole of the shoe.
Matching foot type to shoe. Well, it is very hard to find a shoe where the tongue will cover a high instep without exposing the sock on the other side of the tongue. A wider shoe does not cut it when your foot is a normal width and you heels are narrow.
Lucky me yall made this video! I have high arch and supinate, haha. Guess my takeaway is since all my shoes feel safe, I don't need to worry about getting extra stability.
If you supinate you’re doing so for a reason and I say go for it and don’t try and correct what your body wants to do - I learned this the hard way by knackering up my ankles trying to “fix” what wasn’t broken.
Altra paradigm 4, was perfect for me and i Think in this situation
ive got 6 different models of altra they all feel good in terms of fit, their road shoes wear down pretty quikc, their trail shoes especially the Lone Peak's are bomb proof
My foot must be wider than classic at the midfoot, so I get discomfort from the lateral (outer) guide rails against that protruding bone, especially in shoes with a narrower midfoot. Sometimes going up a full size works. Wide sized Boston was wider in the forefoot, but not where I needed the extra width.
I have the same problem, which shoes work for you?
@@raybaumgardner Never used Brooks, New Balance. Adidas give me problems, but they have great deals, so I keep buying them, but have to give my feet, (mostly right foot) a break from Adidas. For fit, and not aggravating that area, Asics seems pretty good. To a lesser degree, Puma, Reebok, Saucony. Crowned roads and slanted sidewalks also increase my discomfort on the higher side.
@@raybaumgardner Altra shoes solve this problem for me, but they are Zero drop, so you might need to put something in them, I do both, i run with and without an insert
tend to supinate, thus cant get along with vaporfly as the lacing towards the side and promotes me to supinate even more.
That Adios Pro 2 lateral bevel is terrible but the rest of the shoe is terrible. The Boston has serious issues.
Just to not be too simplistic: a lateral heel bevell might work ok until the midsole foam starts to compress and up the antenna on supination
The Tempus is indeed a great option.
I notice when people talk about Supination , people seem to respond to whether or not these cause injuries .. but for me specifically, I want to limit the discomfort, My shoes get tilted so quickly and it then overexaggerates the Supination because my shoes and sneakers can't last more than 2 weeks without completely tilting to the outside...
I need a shoe that is practical and that can last more than 2 months ... lol
According to Asics Cumulus 24 shoes are for Supination
I have high arches and have traditionally had more wear on the outside of the shoe. I have not seen this problem with shoes from the last 3 years. That is that wear is more balanced and probably less overall. It's possible that it's due to more rubber, or more cushioning but the net result is more even wear which results in better longevity and more comfort. I'm not sure of the mechanisms but shoes in the past 3 years are much better than those before them.
One other really major issue with high arches is midfoot volume. If the shoe doesn't have good midfoot volume, then people with high arches will get red marks on the top of their feet. They go away after a day but it's annoying to have the issue in the first place. Sometimes you have to always run with thinner socks for the shoes not to feel tight. Of course I think that most people don't have high arches so there are all the other people that complain when there's a lot of midfoot volume as they have to tighten the laces to get lockdown.
interesting, I have been told that I have very late stage collapse, it looks like I supinate because i wear the outside out of my shoes, but I collapse and over pronate at the last minute because my arches are so high, I have been getting quite sore to the inside of the achilles on one leg, I thought maybe it was related to big toe mobility. I have been really working on trying to "run on the inside/ball of my foot" I thought that was the reason I am getting more wear, maybe it is the shoe design... I tent to run in 4e Asic's 2000gt or Altra trail shoes
@@nznige You might consider aftermarket arch supports. I made these in the 1990s and used them for a few years and then found a commercial product in the 2000s. The New Balance Ultra Arch Insole. It's sold by a different company today but it's known as the 3810 Arch Support. I imagine that Superfeet makes a similar product. I don't need to use arch supports anymore - it might be due to losing a lot of weight or better shoe technology or both.
@@movdqa I've traditionally been very anti arch support, using mostly Zero drop and going barefoot alot (im barefoot rolling on a golf ball at my desk right now!), I've been doing loads of mobility etc and it is manageable but I thinking about giving it a go, there's two widely different approaches, High Arches, What to do Part 2 - DocJenFit is more along the lines of what I have been doing over the last couple of years, maybe I need to do a bit more work on it. Maybe I'll give an arch support a go every few runs see what happens I am worried about flaring up my Achilles/calf though
@@nznige I certainly understand the idea of getting the body to where it doesn't need any help as that is solving the root problem as opposed to treating the symptoms but sometimes the body needs a little help to get it to the point where it can manage without any help. I've had that happen with a few different injuries. I kind of wince when I see runners or tennis players using knee sleeves as if that was the normal way as opposed to trying to solve the base problem. But it can provide some comfort while resting and recovering.
@@movdqa kindred spirits! I also play alot of tennis =) I found a Video from Chase Mountains, hes also a Vivo fan, going to work on mobility from these two vids and skip the inserts I think
I would to hear peoples thoughts on shoes/iinners. I have had few different specialists look at my gait with no real conclusions other than I have really high arches and seem to move off the outside of my foot moving into supination at which point I collapse into over supination right at the end because due to muscle tightness maybe? I was told the arch because it is so high has a LONG way to go to flatten out with the windlas mechanism and cant get all the way down which results in a collapse into over pronation at the end, this potentially is supported by getting a "pinch blister/calleous on the inside of heel" when I am doing long runs, ended up with a big blood blister on a marathon run. Only happens on my left foot. Also getting some soreness alongside the achilles on the inner portion of my lower calf running from ankle into attachment point to the meaty part of the calf
Im supinate, and for me every platet shoes work. I'm prefer asics shoes like glideride.
I have archy feet and my feet are more flexible than not. The problem I have is when I run, say, over 6/7 (~10km) miles...the area at, and near the ball of my foot gets tiring and pains abit. Is that a forefoot hot spot, Is that the correct terminology? That happens with most shoes, but (I think) more with higher drop mm and firmer midsoles...Any thoughts or suggestions?
Hi I looked for a specialist where I live and the cause of an injury I had in the soleus is related to an overpronation. I am working on that. But what I noticed: when I use Tempus or Arahi 6, it seems the pain is worse. And when I use neutral shoes such as More V4 or Mach 5 is better because is softer and with more flexibility...is this make any sense?
same here! any shoes with plates will make pain worse!
my orthopedist recommended asics kayano as s supe stable/safe shoe and never had any issue in running with my supination gait. i prefer model 27 over 28 but heard some praise on newest 29. These shoes wont make u faster runner but they definitely wont make u an aching runner
Wait isnt kayano for overpronaters?
@@user-vk2ei5ze4y well it is a stable shoe with strong support so i guess its viable for both types of rotation. Inward as well as outward. Never had problems with stabilit since gone to asics. First kayano and now im going with novablast 3 and those r fantastic as well. But im a intermetiate runner so my joints and tendons are pretty developed for long distance running nowadays 🤔
Try them and u see if they fit u 👍
@@jasicjan ah i see. thanks! I thought typical 'stability' shoes on the market (e.g. kayano 29 - which has an arch support for overpronators) would cause supinators to supinate even more as that arch support would push them to walk/run on the outer edges of their feet even more. Have you never felt that when running with kayano 29?
@@user-vk2ei5ze4yIt depends on where your supination comes from. For instance the Novablast 2 has such a thin sole and is a very unstable shoe that i go from supination to extreme pronation in it to the point where it feels extreme again on the other side and very swimmy.
My biggest problem from Supination is rolling over the little toes and getting extreme blisters on them. The Novablast 2 fixes this. But no my heels on the side slam in the right side and then into the left. Giving me blisters on both sides of the heels.
It's a very weird shoe for me. But it's always a give and go. If you get something it's for the price of something else.
Thank you for the video! I finally felt contemplated... The pronators are usually the protagonists 🫠