Joel Kills Marlene: "What would she decide?" The Last of Us HBO: S1E9
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I love how Marlene tries to use the "What would she decide?" argument, yet she and her organization were willing to keep her under and perform the procedure WITHOUT waking her up to ask if she was willing to go through with it and say goodbye to Joel.
Exactly!!!!
Yeah I think this could have gone a lot differently if they'd been honest to them both and not just thrown Joel out (and they didn't even compensate him). It's clear that Joel isn't a man you mess around with. I'm not saying they got what they deserved, but their decisions definitely caused this incident.
Funny thing is, if they had asked Ellie, she would have said yes.
EXACTLY. And it’s soenthing last of us sort 2 forgets-all to make Abby a more sympathetic chrcater. And also the fact that Joel MIGHT not have killed the doctor had he stepped aside. Like he LITERALLY pulled out a knife which was so stupid.
The fireflies wants to think of themselves as the good guys, but they took advantage of a unconscious girl, didn’t tell her about what the surgery meant, then TOLD Joel while he was in custody about what it would do. At no point did the fireflies ever say “hey if this surgery goes wrong, we might have killed the only person immune to infection. Let’s take it slow, really exhaust all options, and give the patient time to consider all options. It’s not like we can really give the vaccine to the world at this point. Plus even being immune wouldn’t stop us from actually dying.”
In fact, had they told Ellie and joel that “yes killing her is the only way to save everyone” and Ellie AGREED to do so-Joel might not have gone on an epic rampage. Why? Because it’s what Ellie would have begged him to not do.
It would have worked so much better than way.
For Marline to honestly be doing it, not to save humanity (like Joel she's probably seen enough to question whether they deserve saving) but because it's what Ellie wants.
What's wild about this sequence is that Joel is expressionless while he wastes dozens of people, some armed and others not. He only shows compassion and emotional conflict on his face when Marlene has her gun on him, and this is revealed to be a ruse.
He crunches up his face like he's conflicted, takes a long look at Ellie like he's thinking hard, and then looks desperately at Marlene like he's talking himself into trusting her. She lowers her gun, which allows him to aim the one he's holding in his right hand, concealed underneath Ellie. Against everybody else, he's able to get by with incredible aim and superior threat assessment, but when she has the drop on him he switches seamlessly to emotional manipulation. It's an absolutely cold blooded scene.
They really changed the context behind Joel's action here. In the game, Joel had 'some' hesitation before executing Marlene. He baffles a bit, and hastily finishes up his words as if he was trying to convince himself. In the show however, there is just no remorse or conflic in his words... He's cleaning up loose ends. Nothing else.
@Hee-chan Kwon it's waffles not baffles
@Hee-chan he didn't have any hesitation
he knew what they were going to do. he knew they werent going to show the same mercy they wanted him to show so he didnt.
@@Lilyfied_ Rewatch the game scene, her execution was almost the exact same. No hesitation from Joel right when he finished speaking.
This scene reminds me so much when Joel was carrying her daughter when they were confronted by a soldier, this time Joel had a gun and didn't hesitate.
Pretty sure that's exactly what they were aiming to do with this scene.
"didn't hesitate" lol did we watch the same scene?
@@romilrh as someone else pointed out, he was emotionally manipulating her to lower her guard. When he finished the job, there was absolutely no remorse nor hesitation, he just did it.
@@JSerrato289For real. 20 years of hell, with that night haunting him over and over again. Dude was fully ready to make it right this time.
As a adaptation this is nearly flawless. HBO nailed it.
Bs
In the game there are clued you can find. Ellie was NOT the only immune one the . They experiment on other Children and failed.
She is being selfish
Also clues in game say fireflies caused it all
The show should have lasted at least 13 episodes ( or two seasons, 18 episodes ), this is the only flaw, this is my opinion.
@@ninneadeanna she was the only one immune. Stop bsing
@@ninneadeanna There's no proof they were experimenting on other kids, but they were still terrorists and would have politicised any vaccine, so it doesn't matter anyway. Joel was completely justified, especially because the vaccine itself was a myth.
By the way, it's good, but I wouldn't say it's "nearly flawless". There were some glaring issues with the series, including an overall lack of violence and infected, the changes to Bill's storyline and ridiculous characters like that hunter leader Kathleen. It was good, but it wasn't amazing like some people claim it was. Even now, after 10 years and numerous playthroughs, I feel more from the characters in the game than in the show.
Joel’s response should’ve been “but you’ve never asked her” just to point out her hypocrisy
Marlene's further lie was that she was there when Ellie was born. She wasn't. Anna gave birth alone while protecting herself from the infected attack. Marlene got there after, then chickened out of killing Anna when she begged. Also she didn't do as Anna asked to give Ellie to someone who could raise her. Sticking Ellie in a FEDRA orphanage is not what Anna would have wanted I'm sure. Joel didn't give her any time to turn his head like Marlene did Tommy's.
Joel killing Marlene was the right thing to do.
Later Ellie did mention she wanted to contribute to the cure and hates Joel for taking it from her
But he lied to her. So he is a hypocrite too.
thats fucking right. fix the script
Joel didn't lie to Ellie! They stopped looking for a cure, cause they were all dead 😃
Not all because Abby will becoming for Joel
@@alistairrae9807 Which is going to be hilarious. The second worst decision was killing Joel how they did because it lead to the worst: making Ellie NOT kill Abby.
Boy oh boy I can't wait for the internet drama when a trans kid kills Pedro Pascal. Notice how we've never really got any more from the world of TLOU? That's because it's ending is like GoT, it sucks. Seeing the drop in viewership once Pedro Pascal is gone is going to be interesting, because there really isn't much of a reason to watch the show past his death.
Same as how most people now just stop at TLOU, because there isn't a sequel needed.
@@DamienDarkside
God I love how you lot will continue to bitch about something years on. Keep crying, keep being mad. It's hilarious and I hope they have 3 episodes purely about Abby's relationships with constant flashbacks of her enjoying off'ing Joel just so you lot stay mad.
@@CoolColton947 no fr that comment just gave me brain rot
Pretty cool that Marlene’s actress got to do this scene again as the same character but in a different way!
Alyx Vance's VA (not from HL:A though)
What happened was a tough call.
It was a slim to nill chance that Ellie, who was not even consulted, would save the rest of a humanity 20 years in to the shit storm.
Plus Joel, having PTSD from the incident when his daughter was murdered justifies why he would do what he did.
I'm not a parent but I would do the same and protect the ones I care for and love over a gamble in the dark any day.
*@Mr Fulljames ~* _"Funny how those who most loudly preach, _*_'Sacrifices for the Greater Good',_*_ conveniently never have to pay the former, yet manage to fully enjoy the latter."_ --Alan Moore
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John F. Kennedy.
People need to stop claiming the chance of making a cure was low. Not only is there nothing in the game or the show to suggest any doubt, but the writer of both said it would have worked. People are just making that up because they're desperate to justify Joel's actions when the whole point is that, while understandable, they are not justified and Joel is not a good person (our first clue was the confirmation that he used to be a goddamn raider, come on).
It's no wonder the ending of the second game was so poorly received given that most TLOU fans have no media literacy whatsoever.
Its obvious the cure would have worked, the writer even said so. Ya'll just making up shit to try and Justify what Joel did
@@bigsmoke8816 What Joel did was as justified as Raylan Givens. Nuff said.
Man did Marlene screw this all up. Decides to murder a child without giving her a choice, then straight up admits to Joel they're going to murder her, then sends him away with just two guards. Despite knowing what he's capable of and knowing he clearly has a connection with Ellie. If this is the calibre of the Firefly leadership then they were never going to stand a chance of achieving anything regardless of what they found in Ellie's diced-up brain. Utterly incompetent, unethical and inhumane chancers.
Said the same to my daughter as we were watching it the first time. Joel was knocked out, just lock him up until it's all over. Or kill him. Marlene is obviously ruthless enough to do that. At least in the show she sends two guards with him. In the game it was just one.
I mean, it was the only way they knew that could save the world... Imagine if she said no... Would the other children who'd been murdered / raped / infected as a result of a lack of vaccine consent too? Is Ellie's life and consent worth the life of a million other children? This is a extreme case where it could be argued that no consent is required. At the very least, it is not as black and white as you're saying
@@Tallypt the problem is that they didn’t ask her if she was willing to do it, and why did they jump to cutting her apart first? Why wouldn’t they run tests, take blood samples, and try to figure out any other way to make it work? Kind of a golden goose situation
@@Tallypt They didn't 'know' anything. It was just a theory. Instantly murdering her to dice up her brain made absolutely no sense regardless, from a medical point of view - and it showed the kind of people the Fireflies were. Clearly not the right ones to be attempting such a thing with that mindset.
Also, claiming to want to save humanity and losing your humanity right at the very first step by murdering a girl without giving her a choice - those two things are simply not compatible. The Fireflies are the last people you would want armed with a cure, even it had been remotely possible.
@@JamesSmith-qw3sp Killing the golden goose because in like five hours it hasn't laid a golden egg yet, so therefore we have no choice but to kill it and hope we know we can salt the meat so it doesn't rot before it can be sold.
He didn't need this world without her 🥺🙏
The letter explained it all that the guys from episode 3 left him. Some people are out here to protect others and god help anyone who would try to take those people they protect from them.
The build up to this scene is amazing. Joel went so far and experienced so much pain and loss. The moment he felt like he was losing Ellie this other side came out of him. I think it was always there, it was so damn brutal but you see that look into his eyes when he's staring straight ahead. He's dissociating. I know that because I have PTSD from trauma. The look Ellie gives him... she knows everyone is dead. *"I'm sorry."* Joel watching her is saddening but he couldn't let her go, after losing Sara. His tone was perfect the way he said, "You'd just come after her." This series is exactly like the game. I'm blown away by this. ❤
I'm so glad they brought back Merle to reprise her role of Marlene. I can't imagine anyone else, especially in this scene. We don't see her much, but damn she commands attention when she's around both in game and in the show.
The world taken everything from Joel. So he’s not letting it happen again
What he's doing is wrong and he knows it, but almost anyone in his situation would probably do the same.
@@SarcyBoi41 yes he also never claim himself as a good person. He knew he’s bad person that has done terrible things
@@SarcyBoi41 you said it better than anyone could, they all keep saying how bad joel is and how ellie could have saved everyone, but in reality I bet everyone would do the same thing to save a loved one
@@SarcyBoi41 by your logic would you say it was correct when the soldiers were killing innocent people. As they sacrificed a few for the many. And that's the total bulls**t the fireflies are supposed to be fighting against. And if you looked at it rationally there was a 0.0000001% chance killing Ellie would change anything unless they have killed other people that were immune before hand. The amount of research you would need on other cases of people immunity to the virus to create the vaccine. Joel is not the hero of the story his the antihero. But he was actually in the right saving Ellie. And the fireflies were just hypocrites.
Yes he lost his daughter once and he was not going to let happen again
The firefly’s never gave her the chance to volunteer, we know she would have. She would have asked to say goodbye to Joel and that would have been it. No one to blame but themselves. Easiest decision in the world if it was me.
Joel never would've let her sacrifice herself.
@@marie4564 we will never know
If it was you, as in someone who watched the show and is aware of their relationship? What a fair judgement and totally not a false equivalency between what you know and what they don't.
"No one to blame but themselves."-then how come Joel didn't, instead of lie?
@@brianbaker2884 No, I think we know. Do you honestly think in any universe, Joel would've willingly let Ellie die? Even if she wanted to sacrifice herself for this cause?
There was that line from Bill: "We were put on this Earth to protect people, and God help any motherfuckers who get in our way." Ellie included.
Ngl the "You'd just come after her" could have been said a bit better but everything else is pretty damn good. Also this is the third time that Marlene did this scene. Third version. First it was the Main Game, then it was the Alternate ending and now this. Nails it everytime. Now I want Pedro and her to recreate the Alternate ending.
Disagree. Joel is cold af at this point, he knew Marlene was dead. It was great.
@@mcnuggets2011 the line is said even colder, this is hunter Joel.
I disagree with your statement, based on this version of Joel. In the game, Joel really is undergoing emotional turmoil and is conflicted with his decision making. That’s why he pauses before deciding to kill Marlene, because he took a moment to surmise her true intentions and work out the ultimate conclusion of sparing her. Marlene ultimately would have come after Ellie.
But here, Joel is on autopilot. He doesn’t have any emotional conflict. He’s on the PTSD trip of a lifetime, induced by two decades worth of guilt and his inability to act. He doesn’t care to pause and decipher Marlene’s true intentions, because he’s a cold blooded killing machine here, willing to do anything to tie up loose ends. That’s why the line is so stoic.
Disagree. The game version is way to dynamic, doesn't sound realistic. The HBO one is cold, monotone, and stripped of any emotion. Perfect.
Nah I think it was good. Super cold. Show Joel is different from game Joel in certain ways and I think this works.
she had me until she said "we didn't tell her that'd we'd basically damage the brain for the surgery". i know ellie is still a child but she still deserved to know...
2:47 I love that as he says this, he realizes he should have led with that story.
In fact, I imagined him saying after that something like: "And then they came infected with a bloater and destroyed the evidence" XD
@@lucianomontenegro1498 "and soon after that, the "gun-stealing zombies" took some weapons, fired one shot to each head, it was a massacre"
Marlene just keep showing Joel mercy bc she understands his pain, she could’ve shot him in the back in this scene rip
I love how the sequence of events from Joel's perspective went from him waking up from a major injury, to being told he can't see his surrogate daughter and her her nonconsensual sacrifice, and within what? 5 minutes of coming out of sleep for a major injury goes "your going to chop my new daughter's brain up without even giving her a choice. K. Fuck around, find out", Slaughters a large group of (supposedly) hardened rebel soldiers, singlehandedly without being wounded, saves his daughter and Marlene shows up and is like "But, her choice." And I think Joel kinda hoped she'd show up. Fuck around, find out indeed.
You know if they make season 2
They going to throw all of this into bin
He saved her.
SPOILERS FOR THE LAST OF US: PART II
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“No matter how hard you try, no matter how many people you kill… she’s gonna grow up, Joel. And then you’ll die, she’ll leave… then what?”
I love that Marlene basically summed up Part II.
“Then I’ll get beaten to death by Dwayne the rock Johnson with a golf club”
But she'll live. That Joel will die and life will go on is a given, everyone dies.
Cool, thanks for the spoilers man
SPOILER TAG THIS!
Yes, the games have been around but the series is new to a lot of people, let's not ruin it for them!
@@gamepoy5056 too late. it was ruined from the start.
We don't know, because you didn't give her that choice. Just drugged her and almost took her life away, for something that there was a chance it wouldn't even work. Thank God Joel saved her, he was in the right.
Everyones talking about who is right and I feel like both Joel and Marlene are in the wrong.
@@girlscarf They were going to kill Ellie, without even asking her what she wanted. She probably would have said yes, but we don't know that, and neither did they. They were going to kill her, to make a cure that might not have even worked.
Imo was done perfect Joel actor nailed it
What a performance by Pedro Pascale and Bella Ramsey - bravo to both for this series.
This is what great acting looks like
Joel still retain some of his mandalorian skills
To just heartlessly drug her and take her life without her consent, to deprive her of her choice, even though she would have agreed to it as others here have already mentioned, and also deprive her of the chance to say a proper goodbye to her best companion was a huge mistake. If the fireflies would have done it ethically, everything would have turned out the way they wanted anyway. If Ellie decided not to go through with it, then I could see them taking the steps they took and do it without her consent because that's the kind of people they are and their only concern is getting a cure by any means necessary, but Ellie wouldn't have done that. They got what they deserved for the choice they made.
Crazy how all this tragedy could have just been avoided with consent. If they had asked Ellie, she would have said yes, if they had given her a moment with Joel, he would have allowed it per her wish. I suppose its a reflection of humanity, even in the best of people or with the best intentions like the fireflies, one critical moral error led to the flickering hope of restoring the world vanish in an instant.
God...DAMN. HBO absolutely killed it with season one. The storytelling, even with their tweaks to the existing narrative, was on point. Costumes on point. Set design on point. Soundtrack amazing. And Pedro's delivery of his performance as Joel is just perfect. This sequence in particular (his wholesale slaughter of the Fireflies as well as his cold-blooded murder of Marlene) was executed beautifully. It made for such a heavy episode. Even though I've played through that sequence a handful of times myself, it was no less impactful in live action.
I find myself looking at this whole mess through the lens of "this could have *easily* been avoided". All Marlene and the Fireflies had to do was sit Joel and Ellie down to a discussion about what their research showed, and what they were planning to do with Ellie. The odds of her survival (if any), and then given Joel and Ellie time to discuss it among themselves and reach a decision. While what Joel did here was completely selfish and kind of evil, in his shoes I don't think I would have done any different. He was knocked over the head, woke up in a hospital and was told that Ellie was being prepped for surgery, and then told that she was going to die as a result of said surgery. And then he just...snapped. Was what he did right? Absolutely not. Would I have done the same?
Absolutely.
It’s like frame for frame perfect.
Incredible.
00:47 man...that music make me sad for remember when play in tlou2
"You'd just come after her."
Respect to Pedro Pascal, but I think Troy Baker said it better.
Having played the game it was a real trip seeing my brothers reaction to all of this, especially the ending. He was so conflicted and upset lol
i can never unhear the musical version this scene
Gonna be the one to point out; the music.
The music is "All gone (the promise)".
The same music that plays when *SPOILERS FOR P2* Joel dies, and Ellie sits on his grave.
I find it an amazing little detail that the scene that seals Joels fate ultimately, as he drives off and lies to Ellie after slaughtering the fireflies, is the music from his death in Part 2. Amazing detail.
I'm pretty sure that Joel won't face any repercussions in the next 5 years.
Yeah, there is no way that random doctor with the scalpel had an steroid addicted daughter hellbent on revenge...
@@thepax2621 Also known as: Neil Druckmann's wet dream character 😂
He needs to start doing this Kinda Killin in the Mandolorian
Ooff WOW, last shot was brutal. What Marlene said was so poignant, it was the right things, pretty shocking to realize he's at the end of his life and she will out live him, and she might die anyway before or short after him with hope lost. It's the crudeness of life, and even though he will die soon he can't go on living after losing another child. When he was feeling bad while listening to her it was because he was also probably thinking "shit! I'll have to kill her too".
Joel is certainly aware that, if given the choice, Ellie would sacrifice herself, and he can't risk that. And Marlene also couldn't risk giving Ellie the choice and then having her back out. It's such a tragic predicament.
watching both this and the game side by side and almost identical. As someone who played the game 2x i appreciate the effort to make it a mirror version
Did anyone noticed how the ost from when Joel was buried is used here as he’s webbing the infamous lie to ellie, thus sealing his fate.
Marlene: ... she lives in a broken world that you could have saved ... so what would she decide?
Joel: *_my honest reaction_*
Each time I watch the scene where Marlene emerges down in the garage - no matter if in the show or the game - I can't help but half expect her to break into song... "Youuuu caaaan't taaake heeerrrrr!!!!" 😀
I can't think of anyone better to play Joel. What a fckn bang up job. Makes me fucking cry.
I find it crazy how Marlene and the firefly’s never thought of taking a blood sample or anything before cutting open her skull because they were relying on a theory of the infection was growing in Ellie since she was born how do they not know the immunity she has is in her blood
Both the game and the HBO series are stunning and well written, the soundtrack on this scene is beautiful
It's part 2 soundtrack
I personally don't blame Joel at all, yup...at all. I am not sacrificing the most important person in my life, just to gamble and get a "maybe" solution to cure the infection....not to fix the world because that's a whole different topic
Bro Joel himself literally said in an earlier episode when Ellie questioned if it would really work, that even he himself is certain that they will. Likewise in the game at no point do they say "maybe'.
@@knowledgeanddefense1054 Damn, didn't know Joel has a medical degree...not to mention that was before he knows about the fact that Ellie would have to be killed for them to create a vaccine
@@knowledgeanddefense1054 why are you so hell bent on being wrong?
@@nathanpont3831 Why are you so mad? Is it the lack of counterarguments? I bet it's that :)
@@knowledgeanddefense1054 it would’ve worked. But then you have years of lawlessness and the infected that are too far gone to be cured. In a sense, Ellie would’ve saved humanity. And in another, it wouldn’t have changed anything. 20 years of a broken world where it was about survival of the fittest, and a cure would change none of that.
They saw the most fucked up in humanity. Humans may not deserve to all die, but they certainly don't deserve her sacrifice either.
I was working on a response then I read this and stopped. This is perfect. In this world sociey/morality is meaningless. Who are the good guys Fireflys? Fedra? All have blood on their hands for the sake of their own security. All have more when others have none.
Tell that to Sam and Riley and countless other cases just like theirs that could be prevented... but won't
@@eleanorgloria Jackson are the good guys because they are based communist comrades
I love how they used the og actor for Marlene
Honestly, Marlene DESERVED to get her brains blown out by Joel. I mean, she was an utter jerk to Ellie throughout the entire run of the series and showed no remorse in forcing her to undergo a potentially life-threatening surgery without even bothering to ask her. She acted like she had the moral high ground over Joel, when she never did. Plus, she would never have stopped going after Joel and Ellie. In the end, she had to go down.
That music from The Last of Us Part II's infamous and brutal moment in the background... We all know what will happen soon.☹
I like the addition of Ellie asking where her clothes are, it makes it more clear how Ellie doesn’t entirely trust what Joel says
I'm rewatching this because Im almost at that part in the game again. Fantastic game, fantastic show.
They had no way of manufactering her immunity to others. It was a waste of a life, a life that could birth immune children.
Pedro pascals acting... superb 👌
Where is the sequence Joel running keeping Ellie in his arms ?? Under fireflies fire ?
0:27 assessing the situation. He had the gun already prepared. He knew the outcome. Stealthy af.
I watched this show with my parents and despite them feeling the right emotions, they didn't know that at this point in the game, I was emotionally devastated. I played both games and haven't played them again due to the emotional toll
The only thing that the show doesent do justice is how much they went through and the development of the relationship. The game really spreads this out and in the show they kind of skim over all the game events fairly quick so the ending was a bit eh... The show didnt feel like they had been through enough to justify his decision. Just my opnion
"The Last of Ladders"
That's what a father does.
How i install this reshader mod ? :$
Marlene in the show knows how Ellie was born immune, so she could've just made more immune people if she's so comfortable taking lives for her cause.
I could tell that this series is well worth watching!!
My fucking heart man..
Marlene being able to pay herself was a massive W.
"they stopped looking for a cure" "Why am I in a hospital gown then Joel?"
"Because they tested on you and it didn't work, then the raiders attacked and i had to get you out of there"
0:47, “what would she decide.” idk did YOU ask her ?
Joel did the right thing, and Anna would’ve agreed. She wouldn’t want her daughter to die.
bro 🔥🔥🔥
Hi, I hope it's okay to ask, could you please add a warning for the flashing lights in this video please? Thank you so much!
this version of "You'd just come after her" is so much better than the game. Actually the whole scene
That line is one of the parts I thought the game did better. Sounds kinda wooden in the show (in my opinion!)
"I dunno, maybe you should of asked her?" ::BANG:: is how it should of played out
Best adaptation ever.
it's like this was ripped straight out of the game!! down to Marlene's game actress playing her in the show. but this one does set up the sequel better
edit: thank you for going through the effort of creating accurate closed captions. i'm one of the ppl who really appreciate that
The fact that Marlene uses the "What would she decide?" when in the opening she was asked by Ellie's mom to protect her and look out for her. Talk about salt to the wound.
Not really, Joel knows Marlene didn't give Abby a choice. Made it REALLY EASY to shoot her. Look at the comments here, everyone is on Joel's side. The studio messed up and made the Fireflies too much of a villain. Nobody is really going to care IRL that Joel killed Abby's father because of how incompetent the Fireflies are. This messes with any emotional contact we have with Abby, as we feel that her father's death was now completely justified for the audience.
Joel holding Ellie reminds me of when he held his daughter before she died. Except this time... Joel isnt gonna let his new baby girl die.
I never understood why guards are always like 2 feet away from the person theyre escorting: so easy to just turn and get their guns off line if you know what youre doing.
Now, if theyre like 6 feet back, no attacker has the length to reach you melee, and they need atleast a step or two to get within range, while your bullets dont care whether its 2 or 20 feet, you aint dodging them. Sure, theres corners, but thats why you always double up on escort duty, and always keep your gun at the ready
perfect ending if you ask me, couldn't have been better, unless abby walked in before joel left with ellie, part two has to go a different way but so worth it.
Marlene had him. She had the drop on him. His back was turned and her gun was pointed right at him. All she had to do was pull the trigger and reclaim Ellie. She would need to find a new doctor and a new team of Fireflies, but she would have Ellie, the most crucial part of her whole endeavor.
But she fucked up. She thought she could reason her way through to Joel. And he played along with it beautifully. He made it seem like her words were getting through. That he was finally seeing sense. But he was just buying time until her guard was dropped far enough that he could turn the tables and get the drop on her. If Marlene had been ruthless, she would have what she wanted. It would have cost her a lot, but she would have it. But in the end, the very thing she fought to regain is what ended up getting her killed. A return to human decency. Whether she would or could have succeeded is irrelevant. It was the thing she fought for. It was her endgoal. And she tried to lead by example and all it got her was a bullet in the head from a guy who was molded by the new world. Someone who didn't believe there was a way back, cure or no cure. But there was a way to hang on to family and that was what Ellie had become to him.
It's ironic, in a way. If Marlene had been more like Joel, she would have what she wants, but she would lose what she wanted to become. She couldn't win.
Nah. the bullet could have easily gone through Joel and ricocheted into Ellie. Or he could have collapsed onto Ellie and her head might have been crushed on the concrete floor. Marlene knew she needed Ellie's brain to be alive and functioning right up until the surgery. Once the brain and benign Cordyceps died it would quickly become useless.
She knew she had to convince Joel to leave Ellie behind, it was her only option. Other than letting him leave with Ellie and not confronting him at all (then hunting them down).
That ‘you’d just come after her’ delivery isn’t a patch on Troy’s delivery.
So did they spent a year together or how long did it take for Joel to finally love Ellie? I still haven’t watched the show or know the game.
In the game they spend a year and have yet to watch the show so I can't tell you in the game it's a year
It's less than a year in the show. There's a three month time skip at one point and, at most, only two more months pass after that.
@@phaethonprime6427 I know they go through like 3 seasons tho so that’s gotta be at least 9 months right?
Great adaption
Even if they did the procedure, how would they even use the specimen to pass Ellie's mutation to everyone else?
And even if they did, what would stop it from adapting(yeah, fungi can do what bacteria do to become superbugs)?
That's honestly again why a tiny shitty team of doctors in a tiny shitty lab couldn't be trusted with Ellie's life.
Ok i decided to not watch this show before but the action scenes are actually pretty amaze
Didn't Mando kill a bunch of Tusken Raiders to save Grogu? If so, this sort of thing is to be expected.
Both The Last of Us and The Mandalorian use the Lone Wolf and Cub trope.
*please just let me go*
*You'll just come after her*
-Joel
All of this slaughter could have been avoided if the Fireflies weren't dumbasses and let Ellie know what was going to happen and let her talk to Joel.
Marlene straight up said she didn't want her to feel the pain and fear of knowing she was about to die. Did NONE of you pay any attention at all?
@@knowledgeanddefense1054 I did hear that, but that itself is a fucked up thing to do still. In the best case, it's fucked up cause she's not letting Ellie make her peace with Joel, and in the worst case, it's murder.
@@Bitmoji2468 Even if you think it's screwed up, that doesn't make it stupid. There was no perfect outcome in this situation no matter what so I wouldn't be so harsh on her
Also she didn't know about her and Joel's relationship and by the time she did Joel made himself to be a clear threat
@@knowledgeanddefense1054 there’s an extremely likely chance that if the firefly’s had just asked Ellie what she wanted to do and let Joel see her then none of this would’ve happened. It is their fault taking away Ellie’s consent. She would’ve said yes, but not giving her the option is absolutely horrific.
@@izzyc3717 Interesting that you people never take issue with Joel not asking Marlene for Ellie's consent either and wanting to stop it no matter what despite knowing deep down that Ellie would have most likely agreed
Nor do you aknowledge that we're talking about 1 life Vs. that of countless others
The saddest thing about this show is I don't think there is a cure. I think some people are just immuned. The ones that are not immuned will keep killing the ones that are to try and find a cure. 😢
I saved her…
I not blame you but yeah u did saved Ellie
Bro if you see a muscular girl anywhere near you,just run as far as you can from her.
@@sanvan5245 holding a golf club? Got ya…
i wonder what would've happen if there was actually other immune people out there and Joel had to come out with the truth about what really happen at the hospital
as an adaptation, from naughty dog games into a web series it defines that TLOU is not just a game....
the game is more of a rampage, this version seems more like he just snaps, kinda prefer the game because of how much more emotion there is
After what he’s done?! What about you?! God what’s she’s saying to him is so manipulative!
Marlene was in my opinion not much different than all the raiders or even the cannibals they encountered. To willingly sacrifice a child she's known since birth, that to me is the absolute worst.
@@thecowboy9698 *(& @CALLIE FINCK) ~* Correct. Marlene (Merle Dandridge) and Anna (Ashley Johnson) were close friends since childhood. Anna *_trusted_* Marlene with Ellie (Bella Ramsey) with her dying breath(s).
If that (Marlene) is the kind of person that would "save" (note "quotations") the world, then the value of humankind *(NOT* Humanity) comes into question; one of the factors to what makes The Last of Us such a good story, as well as game.
Nah Marlene was thinking purely of the greater good and the closest thing they’ve had thus far to saving humanity. All the raiders and carnivals wouldn’t care that much
Humanity is not worth saving if they’re willing to kill an innocent girl for a cure that might not even work
Instead she dumped Ellie in an orphanage where she was constantly treated like shit and then tried to kill her later in life
Exactly the same like how it happens in game.
And just like the game, Joel predicted his own future but he killed the wrong if he wished to avoid that from happening. Then again it could not be helped, he did not knew others were at the hospital nor did he care… but he misjudged that killing Marlene would be the end of the fireflies… he was wrong.
That's why, when you put your enemies to the sword, you go after their families, too.
Only if he did it 20 years ago
That’s for killing Ashley Johnson
If they would have asked her and let Joel say goodbye it would have been a LOT different.
Joel and Ellie just went through infected, hunters, and cannibals are they worth saving too