SHOCKING! This power cable costs more than some amps!
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
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A review of the Tellurium Q Black II power cable cable including comparison versus the Supra LoRad 2.5 cable and Supra LoRad 2.5 SPC cable with Furutech connectors.
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00:00 Introduction
01:49 My general recommendation for cables
02:59 Round 1 impressions
05:20 Round 2 setup and impressions
06:42 Conclusions
08:03 Wrap-up
#audiophile #audioreview #powercable - Наука та технологія
Since you can’t trust the power that comes out of the wall I have started using a diesel generator to generate power for my high resolving system. The difference is immense; string instruments are more spatial, drums show more timbre and the bells in the beginning of ACDCs Hells Bells gives me goose bumps. I will never use normal wall power again
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This is the placebo effect for audio.
Enjoy your woeful system
Yea placebo effect is extremely strong. I work in medicine and can confirm this.
I’d love to see a test where someone changes a persons cables without their knowledge and they go on playing their system like nothing happened. I’d wager no one would notice a difference
Get ready for audiophile fuses which add space and depth to the sound stage
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Thanks for giving your honest opinion here 👍🏻
Personally power cables on my source and preamp made more of a difference than upgrading the interconnects
Wow. That's very interesting to read. Thanks for watching and commenting! 🙂
@@PassionforSound no problem, I really enjoy your videos and I can see your integrity shines through - you say exactly what you think & hear and this in the long run will always win out, keep up the good work 😎
Gutsy review.........and relevant. Keep'em comming :-)
Thank you. I will (once I give it some time to clear away the trolls) 🙂
If the same materials in the units make a difference, then of course outside it will also. That is your cable explanation. Personally I would never buy something as cheap as a circa 400 USD power cable, because that means that it only costs maximum 100 USD to make. And if you look into good plugs, you will find out that they usually cost around 250-500USD alone.
Itś very easy to understand: the higher level a system you have, the more reactive it is, the more you can hear these types of things.
I have had many Supra cables throughout the years and they are fine at the lowest levels, but come nowhere near decent to really good cables, as the price also indicates.
Supra sound very plastic like/muted compared to just decent cables, the sound to me is very suspicious and instruments are totally fake. Everything just sounds very generic, but yes they are quite a step above the most basic ones and fine for the price. Same can be said with Tellurium which are again a noticeble step above Supra, it doesn´t take an explanation to figure this out, they just have more quality to the sound reflecting better materials; that simple.
Itś really very simple; you get the best purity of metals/materials and you make a unique design that on top of that improves the sound, and then you upgrade the system together with the cables slowly.
Everything that is part of the signal can be heard to some degree.
That is the game of HiFi. Some play it and others don´t. If you criticize it, then at least try it first.
In certain cases "audiophile" power cable might makes minor differences (for better or worse) to the sound. However, when pairing the "right" (or wrong) power cable in the "right" place will absolutely make (or break) an audio system... I too was a convert from who used to be a big time skeptic over the years.
I've had great experience with Gotham 85055 for integrated amps and power amps and 86215 Duplex Shielded (solid core) for sources/DACs/Streamers. Those and several Furutech models. Really superb results and can be bought smartly.
One of the biggest improvements I made to my system was nordost valhalla 2 power cables. Expensive but completely transformed my system. Stock cables swapped out with V2 cables wouldnt even be a challenge to tell the difference. A noob could. I dont understand it at all, and dont care to.
I'm with you. I'm curious about how it works, but not understanding it doesn't trouble me in the least when I can just use my ears. 🙂
Given the relative length of pedestrian power wiring that leads up to the wall power outlet, it seems unlikely that a short length of final lead would result in an audible difference unless perhaps it reduces (i.e. via superior shielding) a high EMI exposure along its length. It would be interesting to see if the perceived improvement is impacted by the insertion of an adequately filtered power conditioner, which if so, would be far more cost effective than multiple hugely expensive cables. This is a situation whereby identical setups may give different results depending upon the local EMI environment, which would predictably create heated debates.
Went from Wireworld Electra 7s to Entreq Primer Pro and Infinity Pros. The differences were absolutely mental. Similar tonality but the noise floor drops massively.
Hi, don't know if someone already said this, but a power cable is not the end of the powerlines trough the walls etc, it's in the middle. It completes a circuit. Nice review, thanks. But I'll stick with my full Lorad SPC loom (from breaker box trough the walls, to my equipement is all Lorad SPC).
This matches my experience with power cables as well, being the owner of many Supra cables. A couple months ago I made a DIY power cable using Furutech FI-48 connectors and Oyaide Tunami V2 wire for my power strip. Before the Oyaide wire arrived I was using the Furutech connectors with Supra Lorad 2.5 SPC wire. Changing the wire to Oyaide made a huge difference, like blowing open the soundstage and increasing the resolution. So unfortunately you get what you pay for, even with power cables. Supra are better than stock cables, and cables 2x-4x more expensive than Supra provide a meaningful upgrade. Whether it's worth it will depend on how much you've already spent on the system. I've seen all the passionate arguments for why power cables shouldn't matter, but in practice the difference is clear.
Lmao
I am considering the Oyaide Tunami GPX-R V2 power cables for my equipments although I have not heard it. I use Oyaide XLR Interconnects and I like it. Shunyata is just out-of-reach.
@@BillyKueekSG The pricing on both Shunyata and Oyaide varies wildly depending on where you live geographically. From what I've seen, Oyaide are one of the best at power cables, so if they're within your means, you probably won't be disappointed!
@@PeterHas I am a Singaporean living in Singapore so probably cheaper freight cost. My limited experience with Oyaide is positive so yes, I’ll be getting a couple of their power cords and will go from there after I get to listen to it and use it.
Consistently Amazing how it's almost Always the more Expensive exotic Convoluted mains Fuse or cable that "Sounds" best !! ......"AudioFool" best describes the effect...
Congratulations for another 'opinion' from someone who hasn't heard the 'tweak' that is being discussed yet somehow magically 'knows' what that tweak does or does not do. But our hobby is filled with skeptics like you, who believe it is wiser to choose not to 'believe' while having zero experience, than those who do 'believe,' having actually experienced what is being discussed. But congrats on being so certain without actually knowing. Perhaps you'd also like to advise us all on what parts of the world we should visit, that you've personally never been to?
@@leeandrewclarkeabsolutely BS nonsense. Then if you’re so confident, do a double blind ABX test and stream it live. There’s still absolutely no proof through any form whatsoever . Pure 🐍 oil rubbish.
Review something like the Ifi PowerStation next :)
I've been a believer in power chords changing sound for 30 years. I can't explain it either.
In general I think all of the Tellurium Q cables smash the equivalent in price range and sound of Audioquest. I've used both.
If you think the black ll is good try there silver range. Wowser.
Don't tell me that! 💰💰💰😂
@@PassionforSound well. As great as the black ii are. Stay away from the black diamond. Will blow your mind. 💰 💰 💰
Try a dedicated music server and THIS will totally blow your socks off, but with Great cables of course including lan cables 👍
I'm happy with my upgraded power cables and am always looking for better ones. 👍
I'm glad you upgraded your ignorance 🎉
Congratulations..🙃🙃 🤪
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@@jerronimo13 Actually, you're the ignorant one here, giving opinion on something you have never heard ;)
Wont be ever be able to buy a cable like that, but seeing your reaction remembered me of how i feel when i got in the hobby, hello dacs, amps, and streamers....your hole world makes a twist. Thanks a lot
It's always fun finding the next upgrade at any level. This definitely shocked me. Happy listening!
I considered these for power cables but in the end went for Puritan Classic Plus which have a high quality silicon dialectric and RFI shielding yet are rather cheaper and also get great reviews. It would be interesting to know how these stack up to the Tellurium Q's.
Congratulations for being fooled into parting with your money by form of snake oil
I just got my 2nd Tubulus Libentus, this one was for my Bifrost 2/64, the first was for my Jotunheim 2. I tested all my favourite songs, I usually test for better bass as I'm a bit of a bass head. I noticed kicks are more punchy, tighter and cleaner, like they are hitting harder and deeper, making my Radiance sound absolutely perfect and less muddy than before. Soundstage sounds a bit wider with some parts definitely sounding like they are further away than before, while I'm hearing sounds moving around more. I'm not noticing the harshness with snares anymore, but in some cases on my own tracks I've mixed with FL Studio that some hihats sound more harsh instead, but overall I think it's a better trade off to my ears.
Overall I think it sounds noticeably better, all the songs I tested where I noticed a difference (which was most) they sound better to me, and the one game I played, I was noticing audio details I don't remember ever hearing. Say what you want, whether it's placebo still and maybe it's just me misremembering things, but it's sounds like it's changed far too much for me to be misremembering things. I wasn't home for 3 days and when I came back my cable arrived, so I was going off memory from 3 days before.
Thanks for sharing your experiences. It seems the Tubulus cables are real winners because you're not alone with great experiences on other models of theirs.
Another way of viewing the influence of a power cable is ..........to ask what is the first thing that an amplifier sees ......." the power cord "
We dont listen to 50 or 60HZ ac,its destroyed to make a filtered and regulated DC supply rail for the DAC/AMP etc
No one is saying we listen to 50 or 60Hz AC. We also don't listen to the bits transmitted by a USB cable, but galvanically isolating the USB connection improves the sound by isolating noise. If the mains cable is helping to isolate noise (as just one example) then it would help prevent the noise getting into the overall circuit.
What power cable would you recommend as an upgrade for the Sennheiser HDV820? I do have a mains conditioner, a power cable that won't break the bank.
The Supra LoRad range are excellent for not too much money, IMO
Interesting. I am using isotek Aquarius evo 3 conditioner with my setup. I got it on a discount of $1600 aud. I can wholeheartedly say it makes a big difference. You can easily pick it up. I am wondering since this cable costs is similar to isotek which will be value for money :)
That's definitely an interesting question. It's probably worth noting that I'm also using Supra power boards that improve the power quality as well.
If you live next to a river, you can’t control the quality of the water passing by your house.
But you can filter the water from the river to your house to improve the quality of the water!
The connectors on the end also affect the sound, not just the cable. Try changing the connector and you will see what I mean.
I experienced that when I tested the various Supra cables. The Furutech plugs were clearly better.
Hi fidelity music gears, it’s really all about power! The better it is the better sound quality you get. Maybe a sound conditioner is the next thing you can give it a try with an open mind? Try the PSM156 from Puritan or Isotek Aquarius V5. I’m pretty sure you will be amazed and don’t understand or believe what’s going on.
I've got Supra filtering power boards, but am yet to try and active conditioner. I had a Thor power regulator that actually damaged the sound quality, but I expect they all do it a bit differently.
A good power cable provided bigger (more noticeable) gains than any expensive speaker cable I’ve tried. I was a non believer until someone loaned me a high end power cable to try for myself. I was shocked when I tested it on my Ares II DAC (a device I enjoyed but never really loved until I ran it with a nice power cable…easily my most used DAC now).
I'm so glad you got to try it for yourself!
I was a *longtime* skeptic about AC power cables making any difference in sound quality. I bought 5 different AC cables to compare to generic; and none of them cost more than $100US. To my total surprise, not only did the two best cables sound (a *lot*) better, but the slightly less expensive one was by far my favorite. Both were from a small US company called Pine Tree Audio - the Stealth 1000 was the ($10) more expensive one, and the Iso-Braid was significantly better, in my opinion. They cost only $60 for a 2 foot cable, and $10/foot up to 10 foot at $150; and you have a no-extra charge choice of 7 colors.
The improvement in sound quality is quite obvious - nearly "night and day" - and it is as you describe. The depth and width and layering within the recording are *much* more obvious. Clarity bottom to top - is just obvious.
Thanks for introducing reasonably priced cables!
I agree, the difference power cables can make nearly beggars belief. In this case the cable sceptics (as seen in other comments on this video) are so obviously wrong it makes me wonder what else they're completely wrong about. Maybe nearly all tweaks work?
@@kouichi4right - you're welcome! The Pine Tree Audio cables are very well made, and use high quality parts.
@@PeterHas It is almost always a matter of degree - and the context matters.
@@NeilBlanchard Yes, I would only recommend after market power cables for enthusiasts who listen carefully, who really care about getting the most from their system, with pricing proportional to the rest of their equipment. To a listener like that, it's absolutely worth considering. It's not a product for most people.
Hi, nice video!! I'm looking for a pair of xlr cables with a lenght of 50cm, can you recommend one please? Actually using a cheap aliexpress pair, so I think everything should theorically sound a little bit better.
Hi Daniel. What's your approximate budget and where are you located?
@@PassionforSound I'm from Italy. I saw that on Aliexpress there are a lot of Furutech, Cardas, ecc. replicas for 30-50 bucks. I would like to figure out if a 30-50€ cable from a generic brand is better or worse than those replicas. However, my budget is under 100€ if possible.
Those replicas can be hit and miss so it's a bit of a lottery. Have you considered a set of World's Best Cables from Amazon? They're affordable and use good quality wire.
I run kimber reference cables on my rig. 14 of them. all second hand bargains for about £60 each (£350 each new). I consider them pre-burnt-in. they do make a difference to overall clarity and separation...
Kimber make some lovely cables! I've got a set of their XLRs and they're magic!
Definitely not a system i can afford but its interesting to know none the less.
What makes sens is the quality of copper or silver you use to feed the devices. As for myself I bought 2 meters of the new Oyaide Tunami with very good Furutech connectors for my CD player and I got a much better sound, especially in bass dynamics and details, with a improvement in the medium range. There is no black magic or mysteries around that; better quality of conductors gives a better sound. However, I agree when you say that power cables must be improved at the end. It should be useless with no benefits if you don't already have good speaker cables or DAC or CD player or amplifier at the beginning.
Would be more cost effective to installed deadcated AC recepicale directly to main panel with 10 gauge copper wire reduce resistance and isolated ground hospital grade recepicale ,,
I use Supra cables for EVERYTHING. Mains, power, interconnects, data - both for my head-fi and my home theater. I am in the enviable position of living in Sweden which is where Supra cable come from. As such they’re quite ubiquitous here, found in both regular stores as well as high end boutique shops. While I have nothing else to compare them to besides stock cables I seem them as residing in a very sweet spot on the curve of diminishing returns. If you can look past their signature baby blue color, you’re golden with Supra cables.
I agree that they're an excellent option for affordable high quality cables.
I’m a big fan of Supra wires and find the blue color pleasing ROI is excellent.
Excellent review ... so the question is ... if you can only afford one .. which component would you plug it into? For example, amp or DAC? I have my personal idea but would love to hear other opinions. Thanks.
I think it's going to come down to the specific devices and their power supply setup. I'd just test both and see which nets the better overall sound.
Good advice. On my headphone set up, the DAC has a separate power supply (Gold Note DS-10 and PSU-10) so maybe better to go with using it for the Feliks Euphoria amp, but I'll try with both. Thanks! @@PassionforSound
Question: I've played the vid 2x ..didn’t hear this info…want to confirm. Is this power cable plugged into the power amp. I am assuming this? Can someone please confirm? Thanks. 😊
Also, I am enjoying the discussions this week and am very entertained by the angry "experts" that feel compelled to force their viewpoints on everyone as a group and attack posters individually. I had one attacking me. Fun stuff! 😂💦(…such scared little boys 🧒🏼 👦🏽👦🏻🧒)
Yes, it was connected to the Enleum AMP-23R. Glad you're enjoying the videos. Sorry about the trolls!
Sigh...Yep I had a similar experience with Wireworld power cables, even the part where I thought I was crazy and put the stock cables back on and was disappointed in the sound being smaller. The weird part was I thought it would help bass when they added clarity instead. It is so frustrating that it does not make any sense. I live in an apartment and the wiring is pretty crap. How in the hell would a 5 foot cord make a difference I have no idea. I haven't told anyone else this except for UA-cam comments because who would believe me ?
It's like that, isn't it!?
Alternating current electrical power is a counterintuitive concept, so most folks are thinking the power is traveling long distances from the power station however the connection to the grid starts with the power cord think of the power cord as the beginning and not the end. Alternating is the key word
What are you talking about?
We dont listen to 50 or 60HZ ac,its destroyed to make a filtered and regulated DC supply rail for the DAC/AMP etc
Transferred energy is indeed counterintuitive, but not for the reason you state. Energy is actually derived directly from the EM field around the conductor and not along the conductor, so this means for both DC and AC the energy transfer from whatever source is indirect. So this is a bit more complicated physics but I think Science Asylum has a great video on the subject "Circuit Energy doesn't FLOW the way you THINK!". Highly recommended!
you have missed my point,we dont listen to the AC power, its converted to DC,ask any engineer@@tobiaxelsson
@@user-es3hq5zk4e How convenient then that I happen to be an engineer. Firstly my comment wasn't towards you and secondly it's a tad bit more complicated than "it's transformed so therefore it's isolated." But to fully understand that you need to understand some basic EMF and the video I recommended is a great start.
Lachlan, you don't want to know how much I've spent on upgrading all my power cables... ☠️
It kills me deep inside, but when I listen all that just disappears.
So long as you're enjoying the music! 🙂
It is exactly what better power cables does on very good system, I agree totally. In my case I tested wireworld’s silver (500$) and I settle to viborg MTR 1501 (200$) because they were slightly different but still have the benefits. Like you I was not a believer at all before testing it in a very good system.
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
Would love to see a blind test. Not a complete doubter though, not at all, as I recall buying Kimber 8TC in my younger days, but with cables I really think a blind test might be the best way to convince viewers to maybe part with their hard-earned ;) Difficult to do but personally I love watching them!
It will never happen, asking these guys to do a blind test is like asking if you can date their 16yr old daughter.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596exactly 😂we know exactly why they won’t do it. It’ll be an end to their free equipment, and affiliate link sales plummeting lol 😂
I am already overwhelmed by headphone cable, dac and amp selection. I don't think I am ready to venture into power cables 🤣
Don’t worry, cables don’t make a difference!
@@jeffreyepiscopo 🙄
I went the dictated line from the main tap/switch box route, pulling and feeding clean power.
Simple question, was test done in an A/B matter with somebody switching cables and you not seeing which is which? Just asking
Yes, of course:D repeated 10 times, double blind:D
@@DominikaCz Dominisia, pytanie nie kierowane do ciebie.
Since he said he "thought" that he would be able to tell the difference in a blind test then I'm assuming he didn't actually do a blind test.
@@wtcamer thanks I missed that
Yep. No blind testing here because I'm one guy running a relatively small channel.
One would think that these could be made for relatively low cost...given that, why wouldn't the highest end audio system makers pack in better than basic cables as a stock feature, to differentiate themselves from competitors? Same question for "better fuses"
It will all come down to a cost vs value equation. A quick look at the comments here will show that promoting these devices as coming with such upgrades will be seen as irrelevant by some and outright snake oil by others which could actually devalue the product and brand in terms of perception. So, even though some off these things probably are affordable to make (more fuses than premium power cables), they don't help the manufacturers to realise any additional profit and even reduce it slightly per unit. Of course, a longer term view would be that they get more happy customers and recommendations, but profits are rarely considered long term.
Secondly, many of the people designing these types of devices also don't believe in these tweaks (and often have the same dogmatic views as many of the commenters here) so that's part of it sometimes as well.
Thank you for exploring these "taboo" subjects. It is disappointing to me that some people absolutely draw a line in the sand without exploring these topics themselves. I think in a lot of cases, folks may not have a system that is resolving enough to reveal subtle changes made in their chain. I have found that the more I "clean up" my system, the more I can hear small differences made by cables, power supplies, etc.
My pleasure and I agree. The system needs to be at a level to make this type of tweak relevant both sonically and financially.
Everytime I hear someone say "resolving enough" or "not resolving enough" I picture them in a dunce cap for falling for all the snake oil audiophool BS like these cables.
have you tried adding Network switches to your system! I did and was surprised at the clarity it brought to the sound. I was so sceptical at first so I bought a regular, cheap switch just to test if I hear anything. The result was audible and I'm confident to explore audiophile switching going forward.
Brilliant satire. This is satire, right? Only it's hard to tell sometimes with audiophiles :D
A good switch is very helpful. Alpha Audio Labs recently measured why and it's all about the noise that is isolated (or not) from getting into your devices and messing up the timing (i.e. jitter). I run an old EtherRegen.
Ah yes it was Alpha Audio’s recommendation that lead me to try a low noise Net gear switch. I’m now looking at the LDY or the Gustard switches. Appreciate all your efforts, time and experience.
How do you develop your ear? Could you apply the same refinement to say wine or food?
I would say it's like the molecular composition is the same, but you can taste a clear difference if you pluck a tomato straight off the vine.
It's something like that.
This would be a great topic for a series of Passion for Sound videos.
@@SteveWille it would I agree 💯% I suppose it takes many many years and listening to lots and lots of equipment and music.
@@SteveWillePassion For Food.
It's very similar to food. The more different gear you try, the more you refine your understanding of what you like and don't like, and what the subtle differences are from one device to the next.
What also helps is taking up a musical instrument. There's lots of research around the reconfiguration of the brain's auditory neurones in musicians to make them more sensitive to timing and pitch cues. Speaking a second language also has a similar effect, apparently.
Im guessing you didn't do a blind test? If not, it all comes down to confirmation bias, preconceived expectations subconscious or not, and placebo.
Power cables are the easiest thing in the system to do a blind test with - just get someone to randomly swap them and see if you can repeatably identify which is which. No excuse for not doing that.
@@pcb1962exactly . We all know they won’t
Watch Hans Beekhuyzen video from 7 years ago about Audio Hygiene PowerCables. He explains this subject regarding magnetic fields emanating from standard power cables and how using quality shielded / twisted cables are better.
and supplies no repeatable verifiable data using standard audio metrics..total voodoo.
@@user-es3hq5zk4e👹
No way cables make a difference - I run all my gear without any cables plugged in anywhere! 😂
This is a topic I have always been very sceptical about. Happy to spend many tens of thousands on speakers, dacs, amps etc. (although some equipment pricing is getting ridiculous) but power cables and speaker cables as long as descent, I just struggle with justifying. Always felt that they are overpriced snake oil. Maybe I need to give it a go. I do struggle with the fact that my house has ordinary copper wiring so why would the last 1.5m of cable make a difference to the sound unless connected to a very good power regenerator/conditioner.
Try cheap first. U will see. I was very sceptical too but thes salesman was so kind that he let me try It first. Now so far that next week IM testing usb cables. Mayde I should say dont go there its a trap 😂
Because you are looking at it incorrectly. Look at it as the first 2 metres from the device. The power cable acts as an antenna emitting magnetic field and noise into your other audio cables.
I can't explain why it makes such a difference and there are lots of theories, but none I've seen clearly proved as correct. All I know is that every cable I've tried has had an influence, and better cables generally produce a better sound.
Pulls out the wiring in the house and back to the power station.
With enough solar panels and battery storage some people are almost there. Be your own power company.
unless you have the same dedicated thick cable running from the main to the gears individually... then 1m thick vs 10m ultra thin cables will not make much difference...
That's not been my experience (even though it makes no sense)
My only question with all these tweaks is how they all add up, then things should be a muddeled mess.
Emotiva has power cables for $60 if you're on a budget
In my experience, each improvement is cumulative so if you're happy with the sound of each tweak independently, then you'll be happy with the sound of the overall system.
It's in your head dude
Ignore all the idiot comments, either they don't have the cash or the brains for this hobby, or maybe both :-) I've installed 3 x 18 Gigawatt installation to my listening room, it all makes a difference. I use Isotek filters, even on my network and switch.
Keep up the good work mate 👍
Glad you're enjoying your system!
I am working in the reinforced audio domain for the past 40 years now.We provide proaudio to large venues and high listed performers. With all do respect this is total BS. Spending 800 US on a single power cable is crazy. If we would even think about doing this in a big stadium setup we would have to spend 200K Us on powercables alone. We use the basic cables that are provided with the equipment it comes with. We run hundred or meters of standard power cables with standard AC plugs. And the sound it flawless. Thinking that a powercable makes the sound more vibrant, open, more lively stirs between the listeners ears. He or she hear what the want to hear. And telling them this is a powercable that cost 800 US makes them believe that it must be better sounding then a standard cable. Power distribution depend of a lot of things, but there are no cables in the world that make the power beter when you connect your equipment to the main socked with this cable. Power has to travel a long way before it reaches your listening space, that’s not in any way being corrected by a power cable of 50 cm. I am sorry but this is BS. It’s a audifile thing, great marketing but makes no sense what so ever.
I've argued that for years.
Agreed with essentially everything you said, ... except there does appear to be differences.
Clubs, Sheds, to Stadiums, my days as a touring FOH engineer are done. I'm a retired old dude. Explored all elements of audio throughout my life. Began with live to two-track recordings in the 70's, ended up in studios, acoustic design, and into live work.
Enjoyed two parallel careers, one in the IBEW, the other in all things audio, spent the last two decades in an NFL stadium, convention center (including event power).
- Yes, there's extensive bs in the audiophile world.
- Yes, sighted tests are flawed.
However, respectfully ... there's something to this.
The already murky subject is further pushed into question because there appears to be copycat offerings, and seemingly legit offerings.
The physics works.
The fact why a power cable sounds better or worse or different is no rocket silence but common knowledge among 100 000s of people. Just take the time to study how electronics takes power from the tip of the sinus curve, about impedance, capacity, induction, high vs low awg, different speed on different material, on noice via mains ground, about EMF, about floor having different charge (often 1,2-1,5 v different then Mother Earth), about how different isolation affects the speed of the power cable, how the electronics create noice and that the electronics and cables needs to settle etc… You can also research voltage drops, dc on the mains and a lot, lot more…. So please, stop being ignorant and do the job and learn some knowledge before dismissing cables. Also make sure you pull the speakers out from the wall and try cables in mid-if or high-end stereo (not entry level) where all parts are good. Even a person with hearing problems should be able to tell large differences on most power cables IF… used in a highly resolving stereo. The science is there, the knowledge is there… just Google or ask ChatGPT… That said many cables are over priced… but they do make a difference
You are throwing technical terms and physical effects around without understanding what they are all about and without demonstrating that indeed they are relevant to this subject. That is classic snake oil salesman practice.
@@razisnexactly 😂
Have you heard Nordost Purple Flare, Blue Heaven & Red Dawn power cables? They seem more reasonably priced.
I haven't tried those, but will give them a try if I get the chance.
Not as resolving though
Love to have the money to splurge ❤
It's be great to try it all without having to consider the money!
I spent a lot of cash on my set. Now though I find that using the ARC Genesis room measurement system that it is much easier to use that than spending even more on new gadgets or equipment. Using the graphic EQ gives much better flexibility and posibilities without havong to spend more🤔🙂
You would want to have a darn good hi-fi system to spend $850+ USD so probably $2,000 AUD On a single power cable. EDIT: Yeah, a $10,000 AUD Amp is def a darn good component.
well this is one way to get UA-cam to push your content.
I know cables are controversial, and i get why people react so, but i think if you haven't listened with the reviewers setup yourrself, why are you so judgemental?Reviewer makes it a point that he finds it frustrating, and mentions cable upgrades as one of the last things to do. I'm saying just because you haven't experienced this doesnt mean others haven't
Judgemental? Yeah, I'll be judgmental when you sell snake oil and bullshit. Morons like that deserve to be berated for the same reasons I'll laugh in the face of someone who believes the earth is flat.
The only thing more frustrating than a completely overpriced hi-fi product, is finding out that it is in fact not overpriced at all. Darn!
Get yourself some 12 gauge copper cable and you can avoid any frustration!
@@georgebliss964 My comment was more of a jokey nature ;)
But yes, people who seem to have simple solutions to complex problems, have always been as common in the hi-fi world and as persistent in their point of view, as those who want to unnecessarily complicate everything. In my experience, the answer (as is often the case) lies somewhere in the middle.
I thought I saw an episode on cables in the X-Files
Why doesn’t Tellurium tell you / show you how their power cable actually makes a difference. I mean they do know, right?
I didn't ask
unfortunately most power cables that make a difference are in the 4-12k range. Things under that are more subtle and not worth the money.
It only makes a difference in people's head, money talks. The mind is easily manipulated
no it makes sonic differences but you don't have access to that stuff to try it@@expanddong9608
I don't agree that you need to spend that much. Even the basic Supra cables made a noticeable difference when I reviewed those.
It also depends on your gear level. Most headphone stuff can't handle the weight of the bigger cables or they might get pulled off the desk literally. I wish i could fly you hear to the US to hear some bigger hifi rigs. @@PassionforSound
The ONLY effect of a changed power cable can theoretically be due to any shielding it may have, protecting any unshielded low level signal cables (interconnects) in proximity to it from mains frequency interference. This effect should be able to be measured by comparing performance measurements of the device with and without this cable. There are NO such measurements available by anybody on the internet. In subjective 'reviews' and 'comparisons', the potential for placebo and other such effects grows exponentially for such kind of supposedly subtle effects, when compared for example with speaker reviews. No non-blind such test should have ANY validity regardless who is performing it and how well intended or impartial he might be, be him a reviewer or a consumer reporting his 'findings'. It is high time for both reviewers and consumers to recognise the futility of such 'reviews'.
show one study,one set of standard audio measurements that show a more expensive power cable improves the audio output of a DAC,Amp etc....there is none as any electronics engineer will explain.
Show one study that proves it doesn't...
I'm not trying to prove anything here, just listening and sharing my impressions.
nothing wrong with that but apply audio science and the cable doesnt change the sound, Monster cables have a lot to answer for@@PassionforSound
Here you go, measurements that are verifiable and repeatable NO CHANGE IN SOUND,zilch...enjoy!!! www.google.com/search?q=audio+science+review+power+cable&rlz=1C1CHBD_en-GBGB840GB840&oq=audio+science+review&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDggBEEUYJxg7GIAEGIoFMg4IABBFGCcYOxiABBiKBTIOCAEQRRgnGDsYgAQYigUyBggCEEUYQDIJCAMQRRg7GIAEMgcIBBAAGIAEMgcIBRAAGIAEMgcIBhAAGIAEMgcIBxAAGIAE0gEKMTcyNTlqMGoxNagCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:868a45cd,vid:HkmwcPdTlWM,st:0@@PassionforSound
Found another one who hasn't listened yet @PassionforSound. 🙄
Science doesn't work like that.
You have to prove the positive once a new idea is formulated.
To say it is valid to prove that an idea works because there is no proof that it doesn't, is like saying that the Moon is made of cheese unless you can prove it isn't.
@@PassionforSound
Sad thing is most of these audiophile power cable's don't pass standard safety testing.....
The Tellurium Q Black II that I tested here does and has.
Actually, they have to in order to be sold in the EU.
Is it made of solid gold?😆
Ask any audio engineer or study degree level electronics and the whole issue of power cables is so easily resolved.This whole thing with cables started with MONSTER cables in the 1980s who saw a clever way to market fancy audio cables as audiophile grade,there is no such grade,unlike say a grade of petroleum etc.There is NO scientific basis for investing 1000s in fancy power cables,read books by Douglas Self (and many others) a great audio engineer who is emphatic about this issue.The cable is NOT even in the signal path and the AC it carries is converted and noise filtered to DC via diode bridge and LCR filters after using a step down transformer...
Are you talking about Monster that made solid 24K gold-plated HDMI cables that took your 1080p resolution to new heights like 1081p?
pure audiofoolery.....the believers hear their myths as these companies collect their cash, actually copper is better than gold as a conductor@@KiNGMe21
@@KiNGMe21😂😂 brilliant
We dont listen to 50 or 60HZ ac,its destroyed to make a filtered and regulated DC supply rail for the DAC/AMP etc.
Waste of money if your house isn’t wired for cleanest delivery properly. Before buying these $$$ cables, I’d rather spend them on revamping my home electrical first with a separate breaker panel straight from the meter, separate grounding. You’ll notice a much better improvement without the power noise/interference of other appliances and lighting in your house
I could maybe understand it if you have a really good regenerative power conditioner (are any of those on your to-do list?) and THEN a high quality cable coming off it, but plugged directly in a wall? No, it doesn't make much sense
It has a lot to do with stray magnetic fields from a normal power cable which is un insulated and untwisted compared to a higher quality cable that includes this. Don’t think of the power cable as being at the end of the long power run but at the beginning of the device.
There's chat in another comment thread about videos by Veritasium and Science Asylum discussing the fact that the power flowing into your audio gear isn't the stream of electrons coming from the power station in your city, but it's actually the flow of energy from around the cable and devices that's created by the charge within the power circuit (and therefore power cable). This would explain why the cables closest to the device could be more important than the KMs (or miles) of cables preceding it. If the mains cable is influencing the local charge and energy flow then it could potentially influence the sound (and seems to)
@PassionforSound huh, interesting. Well thanks for the food-for-thought
All of these cables are not shielded correctly you never shield one end at the plug in the wall socket, what they seem to be that is wrong. if it has to be shielded at one end it has to be at the equipment end not the wall socket. the best to do both ends and that means the plug has to be metal or using copper tape and the socket needs to be Earth so you need to put copper tape around the socket connected to the earth make sure you're not near the positive of the socket and the same on the plug make sure you're not near the positive terminal you can buy a metal sockets and plugs.
Have you opened and inspected the design of the Tellurium Q Black II? This sounds like your generalising all brands into a single statement.
@@PassionforSound no of course not show me a link UA-cam of the cable being dismantled it. I can ask you the same how do you know of it's construction?
I don't know it's construction and never claimed to
@@PassionforSound why don't you just take the shrink wrap off one terminals you don't need to desolder and just record it see what the construction is like?? Make a good video
I have no interest in pulling apart the cable and I'm not qualified to discuss the internals beyond describing what I see so it would be a very short and uninformative video.
He is fake.
Yes, I am an AI generated avatar
P.S. You may want to reduce the "sizzle," or should I say "air" in your recordings. As is, it sounds like your're trying too hard mate. Cringey video, dishonest content, and FM radio audio. Great job mate! Keep it real, and try a bit of honesty now and then. Bye🤙
ahahah 😂
I always have difficulty with the language used by these types of reviews that are controversial to so many, such as Audio Science Review (no difference) versus power cable companies (huge difference). I would like Passion For Sound to clarify the varyinig statements "I'm SHOCKED that it can make THAT MUCH of a difference" coupled with "I'm PRETTY SURE you'd pick it, even in a blind test". Please perform a blind test, hopefully double blind, on various people and present the results. Is it truly "day and night" to everyone, or just a few? Can those with "audiophile hearing" hear the difference 10 out of 10 times, or something more like 7 out of 10, because then it's no longer "day and night", but more akin to an educated guess. Thank you kindly.
If you would care to fund the required gear and room hire / purchase and find me enough volunteers to make it statistically significant, I'd gladly do it, but I'm just one guy trying out gear and sharing my thoughts. I'm not hear to prove anything or convince anyone of anything. The level of planning and setup (both in time and cost) for such a test is prohibitive. No doubt the ASR crew would claim that I'm reluctant because it would disprove my findings, but I've tried a couple of times to setup tests within my means and those tests have been flawed due to my limited resources so I'm not even considering it anymore unless someone can fund it.
I know that tone is difficult to convey in text, but I had no intention of being insulting (as I'm sensing some defensiveness), but rather just giving feedback for the future. I sincerely respect and value your opinion, which is why I'm subscribed to your channel, but become conflicted when being influenced to think about significance in areas of audio that I had generally dismissed. I should have rephrased my feedback and simply urged you to find some local friends to try some blind testing with, despite the limitations that might have. Thank you for taking the time to respond to me, though.
Sorry if I came across as defensive. 99% of comments discussing blind tests are from those holding the view that I/we need to prove any experience that they don't want to acknowledge as possible. Without the benefits of tone, I mistakenly bundled your comment into that group so I apologise.
Unfortunately, the truth that remains from my previous comment is that conducting a meaningful blind test is actually quite challenging because we need to remove the delay between each setup or auditory memory and subconscious trickery of the mind gets involved. This requires a pair of identical source chains (or at least key devices if we can use the same DAC, etc.) and they need to be at a sufficiently high performance level to reveal what's changing (or not) in the sound.
I can't explain it from a physics POV. I can explain it from a psychology POV using the very words you've spoken in this video, "It makes no sense." You're adjusting your beliefs to try to justify a perceived change. It's called cognitive dissonance. You don't have any measurements, objective testing, etc. that would substantiate anything but a perceived change that could be explained by something other than the power cable.
Nonsensical
This presenter knows it well enough!
Good job, now replace all the pwoer cables inside the house and on the way to the power plant.
Then the feeling of immersion while listening to music will be so powerful that when you put Led Zeppelin, cocaine will disappear from your secret place!
Best part of this video: "I do not understand this, but this is undeniable... "
I understand though - paid review, it`s undeniable too!
Sir, don`t go into audio voodoo stuff, you`re losing credibility.
There was no payment involved in this video
@@PassionforSound but credibility (partially) lost...
AudioVoodo can be really powerful, one can believe a meter of a wire change the sound (although remaining several kilometers on the way to the powerplant remain same), the next step is to put cables on the stands (1k quid each), afterward quantum power conditioners gets into the house and the new life begins...:)
Amazing, the Large Hadron Collider, National Ignition Facility and IceCube neutrino observatory use stranded copper instrumentation cables mostly from Belden. Maybe they should be buying power cables from these companies instead as I’m sure the hi-fi industry is much more advanced
Anyone claiming they can Hear any audible Differences between AC power mains Fuses or power cables is Chasing sonic Unicorns & Delusionally crazy.....
I have try many cables and only analog cables i can hear the difference. Power cable sound claim are fake, i find many cable reviews not very honest. Only way to know best is always try and demo yourself.
LOL an audiophile power cable. That's just funny. What about the rest of the power wiring from the Transformer to your place? Shouldn't that be audiophile as well lmao. You're probably suffering from a placebo effect.
This
Newtonian physics is obsolete.
Have u tried?
Just like a Kitchen Water Filter can’t make a difference to the quality of your drinking water, which has traveled many miles prior to spewing from your Kitchen Faucet. Knowledge is power💪😉🙃
@@mikeyc7072 this has to be the dumbest thing I have read all week.
I just unsubscribed.....egads.
People subscribe and unsubscribe all the time, it is not uncommon. I don't know why you need to announce it to the world
I just subscribed so I’ll take your place.
bye
I've just made a note not to view this bloke's videos in the future.@@kato2395
More fool you.@@aussie8114
Power cables make zero difference end of story. It is mind blowing to me that some people think that changing the last 0,01% of the power chain in the POWER SUPPLY can change SOUND.
😂
Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it isn’t a thing.
Ok random UA-cam commenter lmao you don’t know anything lmao
@@aussie8114 He understands perfectly.
You aren't an audiophile.
how can you tell how speakers would sound, without actually testing it, its crazy people listen to this bullcrap
Well we have to keep the industry going for these overpriced cables i guess, at least it keeps people in jobs...
Better sounding power cables? I don't know man (Passion For Sound) for now, but I can definitely say in confidence there's an audible with RCA and XLR cables but it's possible when compare them some may be sounding just different but not necessarily better. As for audible differences or improvements when it comes to power cables I'm going to have to check those out. It's kind of hard to want to spend hundreds of dollars on power cables when stores or generous audiophiles drop you a set or two for free and then still want to chance on trying to buy replacements for those. For now I'll Just check out what's out there (demos) with caution lol. 👍
That's the best way to do it, I think. I started with affordable Supra cables and they convinced me. I also think it's important to balance the investment in cables with the value of the system overall too - no point spending on cables when a main component would benefit from an upgrade first. 🙂
@@PassionforSound Yeah I agree with you but and I've seen them from as little as $30 to over a thousand lol. I just really never took the time to test them as I did with audio interconnects (RCA/XLRs) because may components either had fixed power cables or people would gave them to me free or as a repeat customer gift. In the audio world there's so stuff going on and there's so many hidden gems in both expensive and inexpensive components to were I just enjoy what surprises are on the horizon. I will take a note on what you've said though. ✌️
I never seen anyone been able to predict speaker performance after listening on headphones and not speakers. Is this an early April Fools
The improvement in the performance of an amp that is both a speaker AND headphone amp when listening to headphones will tell you that it's going to sound better when it's driving the speakers to because the amp is the common denominator.
Unfortunately that is not how science works. The room acoustics with speakers will dwarf what changing a power cable will do. A blind test will show this. Expectation bias and room acoustics are real scientific things, not voodoo. Anyway you can not predict speaker listening from headphones listening - it just make zero sense when you think about it a bit more... @@PassionforSound
For all the people complaining in the comments. If you are not interested in power cables, why did you click on the thumbnail?
To get angry at the reviewer and commenters, it seems. 🤷
To have a look at what people actually believe.
@@PassionforSoundThere is no point to be angry. Any test of power cables, cable lifters, fuses and such things based on listening only is not credible at all unless it’s done as proper blind test. Audio engineering is not magic at all and I’ve worked for decades in this for well known brands including high-end audiophile gear and also been professional listening tester. People hear imagined things. I’ve done it myself in listening tests. Repeat the test as blind test if you want to be credible.
To study human psychology and beliefs.
@@crodoc69 It’s like religion. Two equally intelligent people brought up in different families can have totally different religions and can be equally convinced their particular religion is the right one without a single actual evidence. If the companies making these things truly had an audible advantage, they would also welcome careful listening tests to support their marketing, but they never do because good quality cheap Amazon essentials cables or similar are not causing any audible deterioration of the sound.
Okay nice power cables. But explain away the 2 cents a foot romex behind the wall and the $25.00 circuit breaker. Hmmmmm.
He knows that. but don't expect an explanation!
I have absolutely no idea how it works, but I've now experienced it with power and network connections (i.e. where the last 5ft of cable can alter the sound)
We found the guy who hasn't heard it yet.
I find that if i jam a few thousand paper clips through a garden hose and plug that into the wall my system sounds Liquid. 🤌