BETTER than Canare? Tellurium Q Black II speaker cable review
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
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A review of the Tellurium Q Black II speaker cable including comparison versus the World's Best Cable Canare speaker cable.
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00:00 Introduction
01:36 Sound impressions
03:42 One minor issue
05:21 The Tellurium Q approach
07:34 But studios use Canare cable!
09:25 Wrap-up
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Another fantastic vid. I really like this tweek week series. I was originally trying to stay under $200, but this review has me reconsidering.
@@phetmozWhat brands are speaker cables with OCC material and cost around $300.00 second hand ? And where to find it ?
I'm glad you liked the review! I haven't tried lots of speaker cables yet, but these are definitely very, very good.
I've had Tellurium speaker cables for a few years now. I started with the Blue II's and then upgraded to the Black II's. The Blue II's are a mighty fine cable -- most of all imparting FUN to one's listening. They currently reside in my secondary, nearfield system, and whilst the Black II's are a tad better -- a bit more "audiophile" -- they're not IMHO quite as much fun as the Blue II's.
Being that the Blue II's are considerably cheaper (around 1/2 the price of the Black II's) many might prefer the price/benefit ratio. The Blue II's are certainly better than anything else I've listened to at around their price, like the Audioquest Rocket 22's for example, which are quite well regarded but sound like a dog's breakfast to me.
For a starter speaker cable that's less expensive than the Blue II's, I'd recommend AudioQuest FLX/SLiP 14/4 (available also for bi-wiring) at half their price or less. They too are a quite fun listen.
I'll never use any other speaker cables than the Tellurium Q Blue/Black II's. Whilst I'm sure there are better, more expensive Tellurum cables, the law of diminishing returns wouldn't make investment very attractive for me.
Thanks for sharing your experiences with these cables - very helpful!
Excellent review. Any thoughts in comparison to the Supra 3.4 Wide speaker cables? The Supras seem to be a darling in cost/performance realm but I've not seen any top reviewers (and you are one) give an assessment on them.
Thanks and keep up the great work!!
Those are one of the few Supra cables I haven't tried - sorry.
"I'm no physicist" I wish everyone was that honest 😂
Ask them a question to which the answer is "I'm not a biologist" 😂
@@timleelim9930 Are flat veins better than round ones?
@@shreddherring don't know, but I can tell you flat noodles are easier to handle than round ones
Yeah, don’t see this honesty on ASR ….. we (the Amir cult) are no Scientists, we just like to play with one measuring tool, instead of listening to music 😂
Yep. I'm very comfortable with where my skills and experience lies and it's listening, interpreting and discussing my perceptions. Beyond that, I'm just theorising. 🙂🙂
Nice succinct review. Thank you.
The main factor is whatever works best in your system, and that's not necessarily the most expensive, or best-reviewed cable. In fact, it rarely is.
I completely agree! I often find the second from the top options more enjoyable for some reason. (Not suggesting that's what everyone should go for though as it's all personal taste)
Nice review again .
I like the Tellurium Q blackII very much , but they moved to a friend. I bought myself a pair of Transparent SuperG6 ( more than double the price), because of the better timing accuracy. But that's another story 😉
Don't tell me that! 💰💰💰🤑
I've only got one Tullerium interconnect, a black waveform digital coax for my cd transport, but it is very fast, smooth and musical and was a great step up from my previous audioquest forest. I always wanted to audition the Tullurium black ll ultra speaker cables but never managed before I got my current italian Hi Diamond 8's, with which I'm very happy.
Thanks for sharing your experiences! I'd like to try their higher level cables too
I’d send a contribution for that comparison review with WBC ultimate.
Yes Lachlan, I am a capable believer, very much so, and good cables do make a difference. It's all down to pairing the right cable to the right equipment, and that's when that last little bit of magic can happen.
Good job on this one mate.
👍🎧🙂
Absolutely! Synergy is definitely a part of it, isn't it? 🙂
@@PassionforSound yes mate absolutely.👍
Well, I wanted to buy these from you... I currently use the Canare 4S11 Star Quad cables. I made a decent set a while back. I just dumped the duckets on a 3 meter set of these. We'll see Lachlan.... I almost bought a Holosound Cyan 2 today.... Maybe I just need better cables!!!
Thanks!
Thank you so much! 🙏♥️
Even with an understanding of the physics it's impossible to say what about the Tellurium cables is actually influencing the sound because they don't even publish rudimentary details like capacitance. As a result it's impossible to predict how a longer run of the cable will perform, or how it will perform with a different amplifier. These details matter to studios and that's one of the reasons why the Canare and Mogami cables are so popular. Personally I think the phase effects that Tellurium describe are overblown for speakers, since the loudspeaker itself and the room have far more effect on phase. A slight change in the speaker position during cable swaps will change phase more than the cable itself will unless your other cables are junk.
For headphones, I do think it makes sense to invest in better cables, since room effects are out of the equation and amplifier synergies matter a lot more. A small change in cable capacitance can really affect the feedback loop of a lower powered, high feedback amplifier like most headphone amps. For speakers, I prefer to focus on quality, reliability, and predictability, and that means I'll be sticking with WBC Canares and Mogamis in my setup.
You sound like a flat earther. Well engineered cables with PSC etc will make a audible difference.
The sound of a system is a sum of all parts so there's no reason to ignore phase in cables because the speakers have more influence. That would be like ignoring suspension in cars because tyres have more impact on traction.
As for the measurements of capacitance, these are consumer cables, not pro cables and, for all I know, they might have a pro division who consult with studios on their needs with exactly that type of information.
@@chebrubinFlat earthers try to do science. Even if they're wrong, they make an attempt to explain their position. Cable deniers just make everything up.
Welp! Cables in 2 days boss.... And I did order the DAC! Gosh Golly...
Look into, in your spare time, what Hans Beekhuyzen posted on the Holosound Cyan II. Hope you are feeling better. I know you've been churning and burnin here for a bit. Rest up. Excellent series BTW... I would be interested in more. Got any SS2590's yet for some real testing on that J2? You should give us an updated opamp shootout vid. Chat soon.
2590s are on the way so stay tuned! I'll definitely check out Hans' take on the Cyan 2.
Nice review. Thank you. I'll be starting a piggy bank savings for these... 💵
Glad I could help! Good luck with the savings!!
@@PassionforSound God bless you, your kindness, your wisdom, your knowledge, your peace, and your willingness to upkeep others in this new world 😇🙏❤️🙏
You should try the Silver 2 range they are very revealing
I've heard that from others too, but I'm a bit scared! 💰💰💰
The Black II have a really nice treble and very good bass but they are midrange recessive so they sound very “hi-fi”. It isn’t a sound I particularly like and I couldn’t get on with them. They could work for you but if you have a dead neutral sound, maybe not the best. On a vintage or valve system it could be very good.
That's interesting. I definitely haven't experienced them that way in my setup, but that's tuned to a slightly adjusted Toole-Olive house curve.
Cant find them in the US
That's unusual. That's normally our problem in Australia! 😁
Any measurements/data please?
Get a high precision Wayne Kerr LCR meter. You know horses for courses.
no improvement to sound though
@@dangerzone007
I don't have the equipment for measurements and didn't go looking on the Tellurium site to see if they had some.
I can supply links to sites where power cords are tested and not one shows an improvement on SQ,additionaly engineers explain why it doesnt improve SQ.We live in an age of audio wokery where feelings take precedence over facts and reason. Show me one cable that improves SQ and I will be interested in buying it as would many others.@@PassionforSound
@@dangerzone007 tell you what, no improvement to SQ,sound familiar...?
A lot of studios have powered studio monitors. I just got Buchardt A10 in my studio and they sound amazing. No wires except power cables! I did bought upgraded power cable and it make an audible difference. I also upgraded the wireless hub’s power supply with the Ifi Ipower elite and that was like a very signifiant DAC upgrade. The DACs are in each speakers, not in the hub, so even before the signal is transmit wirelessly (wisa protocol) the power supply does something to the digital signal… hard to believe! I was not a “believer” before, but with very transparent speakers like the A10, those tweaks make a very significant upgrade especially in the stereo image, separation, refinement of the hi and depth of the sound stage. It is maybe easier to test when the streamer, dac, preamp and amp are all standard and well implemented by Buchardt…
Thanks for sharing your experiences! That's really interesting about the power supply upgrade.
Ohhh, you are in deep waters with the nonbelievers 😂 I have found Western Electric WE16GA wire are excellent for speakers and belden cable for interconnects. Western electric cable are copper tinned so they are silver
Sure am! Thanks for the cable tips. 🙂
Jaycar ofc speaker cable is much cheaper and good enough for most speakers.
I suppose if you are listening to a recording made in a recording studio that used Mogami or Canare cables there would be little point in buying these Tellurium cables as the subtle information has already been lost in the recording studio.
All I can say is there's a reason why some studios consistently produce great sounding recordings...
Very strange and suspicious that this company doesn't specify the gauge of their cables...so we don´t have a clue if this is 18,16 or 14 gauge?! Or am I missing something? 😅
What? Who cares? The gauge of the cable has no relevance if SQ is what you are after. If its not, then you wouldnt even be looking here..
Most speaker cable has low enough impedance to not make any difference so just get the cheapest one that works.
@@titntin5178I found that it does, I've owned mogami 3103 and 3104 and the only difference between them is the gauge. The 9awg 3104 had looser bass. It was strange but undoubtedly a difference between the two.
In my experience, gauge, geometry (how the wires are combined/twisted/paired, etc.), purity of the metal and types of metal can all influence the sound. The type and purity of metal seem to have the most impact.
@@dangerzone007You're obviously a cable denier...so why bother to watch this video? Just to carp? 😖
Gene DellaSala has has extensive experience listening to various speaker cables. He says cheap cables are just as good as expensive cables as long as they're not designed badly. Amir has a similar experience.
Canare and mogamis are good cables but they themselves sound different. I built cables using both and lived with them and compared. Mogami 3104 sounded more airy/extended but had softer bass compared to the canare 4s11 that had more pronounced bass but a rolled off top end. Since then I've moved to neotech cables and they gave me the best of both mogami/canare with an added level of refinement. So when Amir/Gene say that there are no real differences between budget cables and expensive ones it runs counter to my 25 years+ experience in the hobby.
Yep. Mine too with cheap, expensive, and quality DIY cables.
Gene does not listen to speaker cables. As far as I know, he reviewed 2 high end speaker cables. Kimber 8TC and a pair of Audioquest. I forget the model but they were expensive. About 5k. He didn't listen to either cable. He did a 4 or 5 part video series on the AQ and never listened to them. When a reviewer refuses to use a product in its intended application, to me that's a red flag. Here's something else you might want to ask Gene about. He was given the best opportunity a cable denier ever received, and he chickened out. There has never been an offer this good, and its actually way more than anything they have ever asked for. Ted Denny, the owner of Synergistic Research, offered Gene an all expense paid trip to his factory in CA. 100% of his expenses would be paid for, along with an extra $100 per hour for his time away from work. The deal was simple. Gene could bring any type of equipment he wanted to his factory, and would have completely free run of the entire facility to do any testing he wanted with no restrictions. The only stipulation was that any testing would be video taped and recorded in high resolution audio files for anyone that wanted to see and hear for themselves.
How do you turn an offer like that down? And if you don't believe me, do a search on yourube and watch the video yourself. Search for, "Audioholics vs Synergistic Research", and you can watch Ted's offer for yourself.
Now for the junk science king. Amir. I'd have you read my posts where I prove that he does no science, but he pulls them all. You could ask to read them because the owner of the account that pulls them still has access. I doubt he will share them with you, so I'll ask you the same simple question I ask him. Can you go to ASR's channel and find 1 single example in any of his videos that would qualify as real science? Its entirely up to you. Just show me a single example of real science on everything he's ever done. And remember, the name of his channel is Audio SCIENCE Review. It should be an easy task, although Amir has never been able to do it.
USD but this is not the US.
550 Aussie dollarydoos for 2.5m.
No, this is a global audience with a strong majority from the USA so I always use USD as a common yard stick. 🙂
@@PassionforSound I understand why, many Aussie UA-camrs do this. I’m no reviewer but if I were I would quote dollarydoos then refer to its USD price. Proud of my finely tuned Aussie heritage 🍺🍻🍺
I used to do this, but it actually adds quite a bit of extra work and complication to the videos because it's never a straight conversion so you have to research the local prices in both locations and then often explain why it's so much higher here. ☹️
Still waiting for those ABX tests.
SHOW us what you claim you can do instead of just telling us.
Talk is cheap.
His Channel should be called passion for ripping placebo audio.
What a shame.
Most speaker cable has low enough impedance to not make any difference so just get the cheapest one that works.
Most tyres also fit on a wheel and roll, but I'll stay with my Pilot Sports thanks even though they're not the cheapest. (Read: there's more to a cable than impedance. You can watch a number of excellent interviews on UA-cam with a cable engineer from Iconoclast who explains ALL of the factors that influence the sound of a cable, plus the scientific reasons for the influences)
@@PassionforSound If they perform better that will show up in some measurements or a blind listening test.
Sure - if you know what to measure. Measuring the wrong thing and claiming they do nothing just proves ignorance though. I mean, I could measure the size of the tread pattern on two tires and conclude that both have the same surface area on the road and therefore grip the same, but if I actually drove the car, I could discover they could feel quite different because I didn't know what I should be measuring to properly understand the tyre's performance.
I'm not here to prove anything. Anytime I provide meaningful information about how and why cables DO influence the sound, the deniers are amazingly quick to divert the conversation rather than investigate with a curious mind so I'm done. I'll listen and share thoughts. I'll discuss with those who are respectful and open minded (even if they disagree), but I'm scrolling past all the noise.
I'll leave you with this and suspect you won't watch and consider any of the data he shares: ua-cam.com/video/v3nZM2BP9Ew/v-deo.htmlsi=CQg0xww7KwrrYUsE
@@PassionforSound so why not create a few videos explaining how to design speaker cables.
Because I'm not an engineer. Did you watch the video I linked?
Moving your head slightly at your sitting position will make much more difference than changing the cable so I think someone has a good imagination.
Incorrect...
Tellurim are my favourite analogue cables, I have this exact model driving my Dynaudios and they do a superb job. Indeed the most obvious upgrade was the transient attack. Demo here: ua-cam.com/video/at8oFv3tvJA/v-deo.html