Shifting without the clutch trying to be a hero using that process of matching my transmission is completely all messed up it's in the shop the noise is louder each day from the bearings that are destroyed!
Thanks a lot! Greay video I've always known not to do this things, but I wanted to see what exactly does it do the physical gears. Most videos are meant for a general audience and won't show stuff like this.
Thank you sir I just watched Scotty and others explain not only how but that it is okay if done right (clutchless shifts) apparently everything from dumping the clutch to breathing fire is okay if done right and I came here for the truth you delivered thumbs up!
Same! Now I have a 13 370Z that I float my gears in all the time without grinding and I haven’t had a problem with it since I’ve owned it. Maybe the guy is right but I’m willing to take my chance in doing it the way I’ve been doing it these last 4 years of owning it.
@@isaicordova3794 As long as you aren't grinding and the transmission is going into gear easily every time it's fine, but perfectly rev matching every shift is almost impossible for most of us and people frequently think they are way better at driving than they actually are, hence his blanket recommendation to just not do it. Just because it's possible to float gears properly doesn't mean everyone does.
Questions if you have time to answer. 1 What about overfilling nv5600, it's recommend by many rebuilders. 2 What oil would you recommend for nv5600, synchromesh or would Mobil delvac 50 will work as it's claimed by Mobil. Some are running 15w40 motor oil for last few hundred thousand miles with no ill effects. 3 What temperature is too high, when do you think damage will occur, 250 and up Thank you for your opinion. Keep up good work.
Good info. Been trying to learn to float my gears, but also been wondering if there’s any real advantage. I’m not going to continue, now that I’ve seen the potential damage. But here’s my question - if floating gears will damage them, then why is it so common for larger trucks? What’s the advantage they’re getting that doesn’t apply to my transmission? Or conversely, what damage would I be doing that wouldn’t also apply to them! Thanks to anyone who can help this newbie out with some info.
The advantage to knowing how to float gears is that you won't be left stranded if your clutch system fails and won't disengage, but yes, damage is possible if it's done incorrectly. Nearly every passenger car from the 60's on has a synchronized transmission, but large trucks generally have unsynchronized transmissions, so with those you have to either double clutch and rev match or float gears or you WILL grind. A lot of truckers just find it easier to float the gears. Grinding will be damaging regardless of the transmission. As for damage that could apply to a synchronized transmission but not an unsynchronized transmission, the synchronizers can be worn excessively by floating gears if you don't get the RPM almost exact before putting it in gear. When you feel the transmission blocking you out of gear, that's the synchros trying to match the gear speeds, which they won't be able to do by themselves with the clutch engaged since they can't speed up or slow down the entire engine, but they will still wear themselves trying to. To put it simply, the harder and/or longer you have to push on the shifter to get into gear, the more wear you are causing.
Also it's good to know to float gears to prevent yourself from shifting into the wrong gear on the highway. Downshifting into 2nd instead of 4th could be pretty ugly, but if you float you won't hit that wrong gear. That being said, I like to use the clutch to pull out of gear as much as possible. Going in I sometimes clutch and sometimes don't.
On rare occasions I'd shift the gear lever right before pressing clutch in all the way and I can feel a slight grind. Shifting gets too fun sometimes lol
Great video Brandon. Very clear and to the point, with good information that more people need to know. You gave away the secret like a dentist does. Dentistry is the only profession constantly trying to put themselves out of work by educating people. "It's good for us but bad for you" hahaha, ain't that the truth. Thanks for posting this video.
I have a 2000 zf6 f550 was driving yesterday and lost all my gears they came back instantly then an hour later I lost them all for good im lost for words man
I've been driving manual transmission pick-ups for years and float gears in all of them never had a transmission failure due to floating gears I had one fail because of the load put on it because it was lifted too high and had improper pinion angles and had 1 fail because it blew the rear seal out while driving down the road due to the age of the seal and I didn't catch it until it was too late driving down the road gear oil runs out due to seal being bad transmission starts screaming because of the lack of oil and I pulled over to see what happened only to find out the transmission is shot and the only way to fix it is either rebuild or replace so I just replaced it but never had one fail from floating gears
My 3rd gear synchro is warn out. Was like that when I got it and teenage me certainly didn't do it any favors. The damage makes it really difficult to downshift to 3rd. Need to repair it, but till then, any suggestions?
this is something that pisses me off about the NYC speed limits a majority of areas are 50mph zones but if i stay within that limit it will lug my engine in 5th gear especially when there are hills so i am typically forced to stay in fourth or say fuck it and go over the speed limit
I drive my 92 S10 without the clutch and I've been doing it for the past 15 years I put a new clutch in it when I got the truck never had an issue but also don't drive it like it's a race car
I'm a G-56 owner. I've got an SBC OKHD clutch. What fluid are you guys suggesting and does the overfill advice about not overfilling pertain to this transmission too? I've subscribed and thanks!
Don't put water in or use water as trans fluid. Well shit, I learn something new everyday! In fact i just learned that i need to be using a synthetic blend of 60% salt water 40% pea gravel
I don’t understand how driving in overdrive can cause severe gear wear.. is from the the 2 gears chattering from the lack of torque applied to them or Constant excessive force on the gears please I want to know more even though I’m late here
What about engine braking? Meaning using the transmission to basically slow you down instead of your brakes My dad used to do that all the time. I on the other hand would push the clutch in and just use my brakes to slow me down never the transmission unless it was a dire emergency like a brake line blow out and that's all I had.
Engine braking is totally fine as long as you stay below redline, it's actually recommended especially if you are going down hill. If you rev match the downshifts, the clutch wear will be negligible.
Hi legends, thank you for your video. I've a question please...I have a manual gearbox (given from a friend) that was sitting in the yard and it got water inside (probably from rain). It was still transparent water and a bit mixed with oil but nothing pink as the examples seen in videos and transmission haven't been used with this water... Is there any way to clean it properly and use it again? Or is it dead and not good for useing it? Thanks in advance.
correction: don't shift without the clutch incorrectly. if you wait for the right rpm it will go into gear smoothly without any grinding if you hear grinding, it means your synchros are slowly committing suicide
@@ambitiousfour6538 update, car wont go into gear anymore lmfaooooo either its the tranny which i dont think it is cause i can find gears still especially 3rd which if the tranny was fucked 3rd wouldnt work, clutch, or shifter cables, so im doing shifter cables tomorrow
Ok so as the owner of a Chevy NV3500 manual. (I have the 4.3 V6 and my truck is a 1500 single cab short bed) I need to ask, if my shift light is telling me to put it in 5th gear and I’m riding at around 1500-1700 rpm at around 45mph am I damaging the trans? I sometimes hear a faint chugging sound but definitely not as bad as if I was doin like 35. Also is it going to do long term harm to the trans if I shift without using the clutch but I match the RPMs with the truck speed?
How u dionost the hand on shifter. Not if u know how to drive. I've had 5 Fords all slammed into gear and burn. But I'm doing with 1969 Ford 1970s 1980s. But now I have a 1993 I expected. This is the only years start to have problems because Utah here didn't know yet.
I doubt it, that mostly applies to engines that make huge low end torque like diesel trucks. Driving "too slowly" in 6th gear isn't a problem, the problem is when you lug the engine by trying to accelerate or climb a hill in a high gear at a low RPM. I have an 04 RSX Type S transmission in my Civic and my K24 loves cruising in 6th down to about 25 MPH, but I'll only do that on flat ground or down hill and if I need to accelerate at all I'll downshift. No problems at all. Did you ever find the problem? Hopefully it's just the shifter or cables and not something inside the transmission.
It has to be done very carefully. The transmission has synchros to guide it in gear, but if you are shifting without the clutch and you do it incorrectly, it will result in grinding within. This is not good for the synchromesh and can result in awkward or clunky shifts down the line. It can be done but it has to be done very carefully.
Great video. Any thoughts on the MT82 transmission on the S550 Mustangs? I have a 2017 I bought from new. Some drives, gear changes are super smooth. Park and then drive home, it's like a different car. The dealership say's there's nothing wrong... I know this is not normal having driven standard since 1981 and the amount of negative press I have read on this subject.. Any advice would be appreciated. Thx.
I’ve been driving a manual for about 8 months now and I’m guilty of just about all of these lol glad I saw this video
You don’t deserve a car.
Today was the first and last time I float my gears. Thanks for educating me
Been driving for 40 yrs....NOW I see this!
Will DEF pass it on to the next generation.
Thanks,awsome video.
Shifting without the clutch trying to be a hero using that process of matching my transmission is completely all messed up it's in the shop the noise is louder each day from the bearings that are destroyed!
Great video! Just facts, great examples and reasons why. G56 owner here and I’ll definitely keep this in mind when I’m on the road. Thanks!
Thanks a lot! Greay video
I've always known not to do this things, but I wanted to see what exactly does it do the physical gears. Most videos are meant for a general audience and won't show stuff like this.
When you do a sick burnout and go from having 5 gears to 5 neutrals ....
Thank you sir I just watched Scotty and others explain not only how but that it is okay if done right (clutchless shifts) apparently everything from dumping the clutch to breathing fire is okay if done right and I came here for the truth you delivered thumbs up!
Why this video was not in my feed?
Excellent video, no BS, straight facts and examples!
Thank you Brandon/High gear......good video.
My first manual
Is a 99 F-150, learning as I go
Same! Now I have a 13 370Z that I float my gears in all the time without grinding and I haven’t had a problem with it since I’ve owned it. Maybe the guy is right but I’m willing to take my chance in doing it the way I’ve been doing it these last 4 years of owning it.
@@isaicordova3794 As long as you aren't grinding and the transmission is going into gear easily every time it's fine, but perfectly rev matching every shift is almost impossible for most of us and people frequently think they are way better at driving than they actually are, hence his blanket recommendation to just not do it. Just because it's possible to float gears properly doesn't mean everyone does.
#7: if you have a NV5600 in a Ram Cummins 03/05, overfill the trans from the shift tower to hold 6qts so the rear bearing gets lubed.
Questions if you have time to answer.
1 What about overfilling nv5600, it's recommend by many rebuilders.
2 What oil would you recommend for nv5600, synchromesh or would Mobil delvac 50 will work as it's claimed by Mobil. Some are running 15w40 motor oil for last few hundred thousand miles with no ill effects.
3 What temperature is too high, when do you think damage will occur, 250 and up
Thank you for your opinion. Keep up good work.
Thanks alot I really appreciate your help and the way you explain it to me , thank you so much
Good info. Been trying to learn to float my gears, but also been wondering if there’s any real advantage. I’m not going to continue, now that I’ve seen the potential damage. But here’s my question - if floating gears will damage them, then why is it so common for larger trucks? What’s the advantage they’re getting that doesn’t apply to my transmission? Or conversely, what damage would I be doing that wouldn’t also apply to them! Thanks to anyone who can help this newbie out with some info.
The advantage to knowing how to float gears is that you won't be left stranded if your clutch system fails and won't disengage, but yes, damage is possible if it's done incorrectly. Nearly every passenger car from the 60's on has a synchronized transmission, but large trucks generally have unsynchronized transmissions, so with those you have to either double clutch and rev match or float gears or you WILL grind. A lot of truckers just find it easier to float the gears. Grinding will be damaging regardless of the transmission. As for damage that could apply to a synchronized transmission but not an unsynchronized transmission, the synchronizers can be worn excessively by floating gears if you don't get the RPM almost exact before putting it in gear. When you feel the transmission blocking you out of gear, that's the synchros trying to match the gear speeds, which they won't be able to do by themselves with the clutch engaged since they can't speed up or slow down the entire engine, but they will still wear themselves trying to. To put it simply, the harder and/or longer you have to push on the shifter to get into gear, the more wear you are causing.
Also it's good to know to float gears to prevent yourself from shifting into the wrong gear on the highway. Downshifting into 2nd instead of 4th could be pretty ugly, but if you float you won't hit that wrong gear. That being said, I like to use the clutch to pull out of gear as much as possible. Going in I sometimes clutch and sometimes don't.
Very good explained. Thanks
On rare occasions I'd shift the gear lever right before pressing clutch in all the way and I can feel a slight grind. Shifting gets too fun sometimes lol
In my Del Sol, If I dont push the clutch pedal all the way in it seems to "grab" the gear making it harder to pull it out of engagement.
Great video Brandon. Very clear and to the point, with good information that more people need to know. You gave away the secret like a dentist does. Dentistry is the only profession constantly trying to put themselves out of work by educating people. "It's good for us but bad for you" hahaha, ain't that the truth.
Thanks for posting this video.
I'm from Dyersburg. If I need some transmission work may bring it down there
I have a 2000 zf6 f550 was driving yesterday and lost all my gears they came back instantly then an hour later I lost them all for good im lost for words man
your clutch is dying, not the gears
I've been driving manual transmission pick-ups for years and float gears in all of them never had a transmission failure due to floating gears I had one fail because of the load put on it because it was lifted too high and had improper pinion angles and had 1 fail because it blew the rear seal out while driving down the road due to the age of the seal and I didn't catch it until it was too late driving down the road gear oil runs out due to seal being bad transmission starts screaming because of the lack of oil and I pulled over to see what happened only to find out the transmission is shot and the only way to fix it is either rebuild or replace so I just replaced it but never had one fail from floating gears
Thanks for making this. Seriously.
My 3rd gear synchro is warn out. Was like that when I got it and teenage me certainly didn't do it any favors. The damage makes it really difficult to downshift to 3rd. Need to repair it, but till then, any suggestions?
Float shift third
Double clutch it. A worn out synchro effectively makes that gear like an unsynchronized transmission.
I agree with Rich, just double clutch it and it should go into gear fine as long as the synchro is the only problem.
this is something that pisses me off about the NYC speed limits a majority of areas are 50mph zones but if i stay within that limit it will lug my engine in 5th gear especially when there are hills so i am typically forced to stay in fourth or say fuck it and go over the speed limit
I drive my 92 S10 without the clutch and I've been doing it for the past 15 years I put a new clutch in it when I got the truck never had an issue but also don't drive it like it's a race car
I'm a G-56 owner. I've got an SBC OKHD clutch. What fluid are you guys suggesting and does the overfill advice about not overfilling pertain to this transmission too? I've subscribed and thanks!
Heavy duty trucks? Including semi-trucks eatons?
Very helpful video.
Don't put water in or use water as trans fluid. Well shit, I learn something new everyday! In fact i just learned that i need to be using a synthetic blend of 60% salt water 40% pea gravel
I don’t understand how driving in overdrive can cause severe gear wear.. is from the the 2 gears chattering from the lack of torque applied to them or Constant excessive force on the gears please I want to know more even though I’m late here
What about engine braking? Meaning using the transmission to basically slow you down instead of your brakes My dad used to do that all the time. I on the other hand would push the clutch in and just use my brakes to slow me down never the transmission unless it was a dire emergency like a brake line blow out and that's all I had.
What your doing is illegal actually. Your not suppose to "coast". It's failure to maintain control of your vehicle.
Engine braking is totally fine as long as you stay below redline, it's actually recommended especially if you are going down hill. If you rev match the downshifts, the clutch wear will be negligible.
Hi legends, thank you for your video. I've a question please...I have a manual gearbox (given from a friend) that was sitting in the yard and it got water inside (probably from rain). It was still transparent water and a bit mixed with oil but nothing pink as the examples seen in videos and transmission haven't been used with this water...
Is there any way to clean it properly and use it again? Or is it dead and not good for useing it? Thanks in advance.
Isopropyl alcohol with molecular sieves could be used for cleaning and will drive water out. Don't know if it will work and it's taking a risk.
Great advice!
There's a lot of bad info why people say float shifting is ok?
My 4th gear is gone after 20 years of floating. 1st 2nd 3rd 5th still ok
#6. Don't let your wife/girlfriend drive it.
Straight to the point. Good stuff
correction: don't shift without the clutch incorrectly. if you wait for the right rpm it will go into gear smoothly without any grinding
if you hear grinding, it means your synchros are slowly committing suicide
Rip to my 3rd and 4th syncros, bought my car like that, it actually loves life tho
@@Shawzy5.0 sameee lmao
@@ambitiousfour6538 update, car wont go into gear anymore lmfaooooo either its the tranny which i dont think it is cause i can find gears still especially 3rd which if the tranny was fucked 3rd wouldnt work, clutch, or shifter cables, so im doing shifter cables tomorrow
Ok so as the owner of a Chevy NV3500 manual. (I have the 4.3 V6 and my truck is a 1500 single cab short bed) I need to ask, if my shift light is telling me to put it in 5th gear and I’m riding at around 1500-1700 rpm at around 45mph am I damaging the trans? I sometimes hear a faint chugging sound but definitely not as bad as if I was doin like 35. Also is it going to do long term harm to the trans if I shift without using the clutch but I match the RPMs with the truck speed?
Good video
What if you stand still and accidentally shift into reverse without pressing the clutch? Is that really bad?
How u dionost the hand on shifter. Not if u know how to drive. I've had 5 Fords all slammed into gear and burn. But I'm doing with 1969 Ford 1970s 1980s. But now I have a 1993 I expected. This is the only years start to have problems because Utah here didn't know yet.
Why does he means by neutral slams? 😭
So you saying floating gears isn’t good? 😂 damn I was having fun as wsll
Wonder how much damage it can cause if I go fast
great job man.gd luck
You can shift without the clutch? 🤔
But can drop shift without clutch on a 7500 or something big?
Mine loves to freeze into gear _ 50 below. Did u know that have u been - 60/50 tiny
My rsx type is is having 6th gear pop outs. Wonder if it’s due to driving too slow in 6th. Any help is appreciate 🙏🏼
I doubt it, that mostly applies to engines that make huge low end torque like diesel trucks. Driving "too slowly" in 6th gear isn't a problem, the problem is when you lug the engine by trying to accelerate or climb a hill in a high gear at a low RPM. I have an 04 RSX Type S transmission in my Civic and my K24 loves cruising in 6th down to about 25 MPH, but I'll only do that on flat ground or down hill and if I need to accelerate at all I'll downshift. No problems at all. Did you ever find the problem? Hopefully it's just the shifter or cables and not something inside the transmission.
cruisinig in fifth gear with low rpm? i dont really understand
Driving 10 mph in 5th gear.
@@brennymcphees7557 got it
@@brennymcphees7557 Some trucks top out below 15 mph in 5th gear. You don't really get moving until the splitter goes up.
i dont get it either, he didn't explain why
What about shiftin with no clutch in a 1 ton
That F-450 he was referencing was a 1 1/4 ton.
if accidently gear without clutch is the gearbox ruined? honest question i dont know anything.
if it was ruined you'd know. just don't make it a habit
It has to be done very carefully. The transmission has synchros to guide it in gear, but if you are shifting without the clutch and you do it incorrectly, it will result in grinding within. This is not good for the synchromesh and can result in awkward or clunky shifts down the line.
It can be done but it has to be done very carefully.
New Left Knee = $50k
New Transmission = $1,000
Float your gears kids. If you’re grinding, your revs are out of sync. Go back to the drawing board.
Great video.
Any thoughts on the MT82 transmission on the S550 Mustangs?
I have a 2017 I bought from new. Some drives, gear changes are super smooth. Park and then drive home, it's like a different car. The dealership say's there's nothing wrong... I know this is not normal having driven standard since 1981 and the amount of negative press I have read on this subject.. Any advice would be appreciated.
Thx.
My 2006 ram 1500’s 5th gear started grinding when I shift into it and try to give it fuel it just grinds
,, transmission shifter