It appears the benchmark charts invert the Fury and Studio. You mention that the workstation GPU are important, but it shows the Studio (RTX 3070) topping the charts with the ProArt (RTX A5000) in the Solidworks chart.
There is another aspect to it I 'd like to mention: (Obviously) extensive testing by HP. I have an old HP 2760p running since 12 years. I has been through 30+ countries. Regardless the jungles of South East Asia, high-altitudes and cold in Nepal and India, the cold in northern China, the tropics and humidity in Africa - and of course torture-like travel conditions to places like these. It never failed - EVER - not once ! Still running, and I am throwing at it what needs to be done. Obviously hardware moved on and my eyes like a bigger screen with age. Yet, this build-quality and hardware stability aspect can be important to some folks.
Yep, and the only thing you will ever need to do to get to run nearly as fast as a brand new computer is stick a SSD in it and maybe a few extra GB of RAM.
Same here. I have a Zbook 15 G2 almost 10 years now. Weights about 3.3 kg! Have been with me from the North of Norway till Tasmania. It never failed me. Only replaced the keyboard twice. Thinking about a Fury now, but will keep my old machine for "fieldwork"
You forgot abaout the mil810h certification on the zbooks. This means they are much more resistant to tempreture low - 29c°as high 60c°, also they are proven to be shock resistant as well as sand resistant. Which is for a specific group really important (Field Technician).
I love the build quality of the Z books. Also, If you can shop around and have time, you can get Z books 40-60% off. I'm not sure how much you can get off of a new ProArt.
I have a Zbook Studio G3 (7 generations old now). Did one battery replacement. Lost the rubber on the bottom. Fingerprint reader stopped working. Other than that, still working like new after 6 years. No case flex, no display problems, no OS slowdown. Of course, it is now going obsolete because it doesn't support Windows 11. Back then HP offered a free 3 year onsite warranty and a friend actually had to use it - a HP came to his house, diagnosed the problem, and replaced the motherboard - all paid for by the warranty. My warranty never got used, but it gave me peace of mind that HP supported their products to that degree.
Compared to the older generation of workstations, these days are laptops built in rather shady ways to strip them out of every gram. When you look at used laptops, even expensive ones, it's pretty common to find bent display lids where you clearly can see where some object pressed against the display lid created a permanent valley into it, not a big fan of the fact that you nowadays need to buy a rugged laptop to get something that did not get damaged in your bag just by a bit of pressure from things around. The last easily upgradable Zbook I would likely spend money on was Zbook 17 G6 with Blu-Ray drive for large video file backups and fully upgradable internals including GPU at still reasonable 3,2kg for a 17,3" laptop but that thing has some manufacturing quality control issues and whining coil sound presentation apart from extra price for Dreamcolor display and Quadro graphics performance and similar visual quality of which you nowadays can get much cheaper, though you can forget about Blu-ray drive or upgradability...
Asus has non-ecc memory to use with XEON and that's not the same as ECC memory used with Zbooks i9/i7. You reviews are completely unfair and biased.
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Im architect. I was thinking to buy a workststion but finally i decided to buy a razer blade 15 12900hk UHD 144Hz 3080ti. Im waiting for the monster. Cost-use its better to buy RTX than A. What do u think? Love your videos! Pd. My decisions took 2 years and with 12th generation now its the time!
I'd really like to see someone try to run Twinmotion or Lumion on a laptop to show how it can handle the software. I'm in the market for a laptop for architectural presentations. I have a beast pc here at home but if I have to go do a live presentation in front of a client and they want me to make changes on the fly, I need a laptop that can do so without causing embarrassment as it coughs and splutters.
Blender is more gpu oriented, and is updated frequently since its open source. Getting the RTX is the best. The cost benefit advantage from a workstation gpu isn't much. AMD is a big no no, because they don't have optix ray tracing
@@ashwint120 Thanks, that's important to known about AMD. One question: do you expect Apple M2 chip being optimized in 2O22 and beating RTX GPU laptops?
@@batmanonholiday4477 won't recommend the m2. I actually have an m1 max with me, I've purchased the zephyrus g15 and looking to sell the mac. The M chips need to get hardware ray tracing, essentially becoming gaming laptops, until then, macs are a no go. I'm facing other difficulties too, blender is open source and constantly evolving, apple is very closed in nature about their systems. So with a mac, you'll always be a year or two behind where blender is
Definitely better value elsewhere in the workstation space. HP Studio is over priced for what it offers compared to competitors ... And the Asus ProArt has production quality issues documented with their OLED screens I wouldn't buy either.
Hi Ben, what about the 2022 Asus Zephryus M16 for architecture? How does that perform compared to this? It would be helpful if you could share some insight on that 😊
I am an architect and had one. Lasted 3 months before the mainboard & GPU started failing. The wifi and bluetooth mediatek cards are awful and drops connection a lot. Before the hardware failure, I had numerous driver issues even after updating everything. Event viewer had 1000's of warnings & errors. Also note that ROG laptops come with an insane amount of bloatware hogging ram. On startup the laptop had over 250 processes running. Maybe I got a bad egg, but search reddit, you will see a lot of issues with the M16. Still patiently waiting on Asus to refund me....
want to buy mobile workstation for solidworks So should wait for upcoming laptops (ls there any possibility that AMD or Intel will bring ARM based processor to give performance like M1)or should go with available workstations?
The 2022 model ZBook Fury G9 with full size Express 7 SD card reader and smart card reader and 128GB RAM support has full metal body 2.5kg. Is this smarter buy than all plastic Legion Pro 5 2023? Fury is only 2500€ with i7-12800H, 32GB, 1TB SSD, Quadro RTX A2000 8GB, 16 WUXGA 400-nit.
@@dondudu7128 No. I'm still looking for laptop. Right now I'm waiting for AMD Legion Slim 7 (2023 gen 8 model). HP models are more expensive. I hoped for HP firefly G10 7940HS, it only has integrated 780M gpu, 2 upgradable RAM slots, 100% p3 colour screen, but the only retailer asked 4500€ for that (the actual price is 2000).
@@az9az9az9 yeah, the workstation prices are blasphemous... Do you think a gaming laptop is enough for a Computer Science Student? Or so I specifically get a workstation?
Also, ProArt cannot be sold outside of HK. I had a friend in HK configure one and he couldn't even email the configuration outside of Hong Kong for inspection. What does that tell you?
hello, i am trying to decide a buy laptop. i am not a creator, engineer but i need CPU power and a little GPU power because of the financial trading programs. These programs need H series CPU that have more core for algo trading. But i do not decide a work station or gaming PC . Legion 5 PRo, Dell XPS 15 , HP Zbook G9 or Fury ? can you give an advice? i concern about stability, thermal issues and a little mobility.
If you need Stability - go with a workstation. The Zbooks have a thermal design that supposedly works at keeping the case cool without getting too loud. Within the Zbooks, the Fury allows a lot of storage and memory plus better connectivity at the expense of additional weight. The Studio has a lower memory and storage capacity and has a lot fewer ports.
it would have been great to see them perform in video games like Call of duty! I know these are workstations & not intended for gaming but still! if you pay that much money you would like to be able to game in them ! , I have the Zbook Studio G8 i9 RTX 3080 and it just does not perform well for gaming ! there is a terrible GPU bottleneck between the Intel UHD integrated graphics and the RTX 3080
HP laptops cost more because they offer real value. Your ASUS is by a chinese firm with poor support and little technical documentation. Take down this review, Ben.
Can you include blender benchmarks please. Its rapidly becoming the most widely adapted 3d software
It appears the benchmark charts invert the Fury and Studio. You mention that the workstation GPU are important, but it shows the Studio (RTX 3070) topping the charts with the ProArt (RTX A5000) in the Solidworks chart.
i noticed that as well.... very confusiong
There is another aspect to it I 'd like to mention: (Obviously) extensive testing by HP. I have an old HP 2760p running since 12 years. I has been through 30+ countries. Regardless the jungles of South East Asia, high-altitudes and cold in Nepal and India, the cold in northern China, the tropics and humidity in Africa - and of course torture-like travel conditions to places like these. It never failed - EVER - not once ! Still running, and I am throwing at it what needs to be done. Obviously hardware moved on and my eyes like a bigger screen with age. Yet, this build-quality and hardware stability aspect can be important to some folks.
Yep, and the only thing you will ever need to do to get to run nearly as fast as a brand new computer is stick a SSD in it and maybe a few extra GB of RAM.
Same here. I have a Zbook 15 G2 almost 10 years now. Weights about 3.3 kg! Have been with me from the North of Norway till Tasmania. It never failed me. Only replaced the keyboard twice. Thinking about a Fury now, but will keep my old machine for "fieldwork"
I have a Zbook 17.3 G8, wow what an improvement over Zbooks from 3 years ago. The display resolution is unbelievable.
You forgot abaout the mil810h certification on the zbooks. This means they are much more resistant to tempreture low - 29c°as high 60c°, also they are proven to be shock resistant as well as sand resistant. Which is for a specific group really important (Field Technician).
I love the build quality of the Z books. Also, If you can shop around and have time, you can get Z books 40-60% off. I'm not sure how much you can get off of a new ProArt.
How is it available for this much offer
On B and H a studio book is currently on sale for 2 grand (rtx 3080ti and i710something)
I have a Zbook Studio G3 (7 generations old now). Did one battery replacement. Lost the rubber on the bottom. Fingerprint reader stopped working. Other than that, still working like new after 6 years. No case flex, no display problems, no OS slowdown. Of course, it is now going obsolete because it doesn't support Windows 11.
Back then HP offered a free 3 year onsite warranty and a friend actually had to use it - a HP came to his house, diagnosed the problem, and replaced the motherboard - all paid for by the warranty. My warranty never got used, but it gave me peace of mind that HP supported their products to that degree.
The thing you forgot to mention in your Review is that HP also has highly detailed Service and Maintenance Manuals on their Support Website...
The other thing you forgot to mention is that the HP come with 3 Year ON-SITE Parts and Labour Warranty
Thanks for this video it's helpful. Can you include some Blender benchmarks asweell
and i thought my $3200 razer laptop was pricey
Compared to the older generation of workstations, these days are laptops built in rather shady ways to strip them out of every gram. When you look at used laptops, even expensive ones, it's pretty common to find bent display lids where you clearly can see where some object pressed against the display lid created a permanent valley into it, not a big fan of the fact that you nowadays need to buy a rugged laptop to get something that did not get damaged in your bag just by a bit of pressure from things around. The last easily upgradable Zbook I would likely spend money on was Zbook 17 G6 with Blu-Ray drive for large video file backups and fully upgradable internals including GPU at still reasonable 3,2kg for a 17,3" laptop but that thing has some manufacturing quality control issues and whining coil sound presentation apart from extra price for Dreamcolor display and Quadro graphics performance and similar visual quality of which you nowadays can get much cheaper, though you can forget about Blu-ray drive or upgradability...
Asus has non-ecc memory to use with XEON and that's not the same as ECC memory used with Zbooks i9/i7. You reviews are completely unfair and biased.
Im architect. I was thinking to buy a workststion but finally i decided to buy a razer blade 15 12900hk UHD 144Hz 3080ti. Im waiting for the monster.
Cost-use its better to buy RTX than A.
What do u think?
Love your videos!
Pd. My decisions took 2 years and with 12th generation now its the time!
Zbook fury can hold a Nvidia 16GB video card...this reviewer is biased.
Best laptop for music production vid?
I'd really like to see someone try to run Twinmotion or Lumion on a laptop to show how it can handle the software. I'm in the market for a laptop for architectural presentations. I have a beast pc here at home but if I have to go do a live presentation in front of a client and they want me to make changes on the fly, I need a laptop that can do so without causing embarrassment as it coughs and splutters.
Thx Ben. I am more and more hyped by proart products.
Thank you. Great info..
Can you please review MSI CREATOR Z16p
what about blender, would its benchmarks be similar to 3D max?
also want to know
Blender is more gpu oriented, and is updated frequently since its open source. Getting the RTX is the best. The cost benefit advantage from a workstation gpu isn't much. AMD is a big no no, because they don't have optix ray tracing
@@ashwint120 Thanks, that's important to known about AMD. One question: do you expect Apple M2 chip being optimized in 2O22 and beating RTX GPU laptops?
@@batmanonholiday4477 won't recommend the m2. I actually have an m1 max with me, I've purchased the zephyrus g15 and looking to sell the mac. The M chips need to get hardware ray tracing, essentially becoming gaming laptops, until then, macs are a no go. I'm facing other difficulties too, blender is open source and constantly evolving, apple is very closed in nature about their systems. So with a mac, you'll always be a year or two behind where blender is
@@ashwint120 cheers..
12:00 , your bench mark of zbook studio and zbook g8 seems flipped.
Excellent review! Thank you for it!
The Z Book Fury is WAY better quality on materials they use its 100% metal
Have you reviewed Boxx Computers?
Definitely better value elsewhere in the workstation space. HP Studio is over priced for what it offers compared to competitors ... And the Asus ProArt has production quality issues documented with their OLED screens I wouldn't buy either.
@ben You know HP has 17 Zbook Fury with DreamColor, right?
Hi Ben, what about the 2022 Asus Zephryus M16 for architecture? How does that perform compared to this? It would be helpful if you could share some insight on that 😊
I am an architect and had one. Lasted 3 months before the mainboard & GPU started failing. The wifi and bluetooth mediatek cards are awful and drops connection a lot. Before the hardware failure, I had numerous driver issues even after updating everything. Event viewer had 1000's of warnings & errors. Also note that ROG laptops come with an insane amount of bloatware hogging ram. On startup the laptop had over 250 processes running. Maybe I got a bad egg, but search reddit, you will see a lot of issues with the M16. Still patiently waiting on Asus to refund me....
want to buy mobile workstation for solidworks
So should wait for upcoming laptops
(ls there any possibility that AMD or Intel will bring
ARM based processor to give performance like
M1)or
should go with available workstations?
Does the dial affect typing experience on the Asus ProArt laptop?
I would like to See the battery life
Doesn't A5000 have 16 gig of ram not 6?
The 2022 model ZBook Fury G9 with full size Express 7 SD card reader and smart card reader and 128GB RAM support has full metal body 2.5kg. Is this smarter buy than all plastic Legion Pro 5 2023? Fury is only 2500€ with i7-12800H, 32GB, 1TB SSD, Quadro RTX A2000 8GB, 16 WUXGA 400-nit.
Have you found an answer? I have a similar dillema right now.
@@dondudu7128 No. I'm still looking for laptop. Right now I'm waiting for AMD Legion Slim 7 (2023 gen 8 model). HP models are more expensive. I hoped for HP firefly G10 7940HS, it only has integrated 780M gpu, 2 upgradable RAM slots, 100% p3 colour screen, but the only retailer asked 4500€ for that (the actual price is 2000).
@@az9az9az9 yeah, the workstation prices are blasphemous... Do you think a gaming laptop is enough for a Computer Science Student? Or so I specifically get a workstation?
@@dondudu7128 I'm sure the gaming laptops works just fine. Maybe something lighter, like G14 or slim 7.
@@az9az9az9 thanks!
Also, ProArt cannot be sold outside of HK. I had a friend in HK configure one and he couldn't even email the configuration outside of Hong Kong for inspection. What does that tell you?
seriously? you cannot get them in the EU for example?
@@batmanonholiday4477 You can only view specs...not buy. I did US, HK, and UK this morning. HK makes you come into asus store to order
@@residentxgc global logistic problems, chip shortage probably...
@@batmanonholiday4477 no...chinese business practices...
hello, i am trying to decide a buy laptop. i am not a creator, engineer but i need CPU power and a little GPU power because of the financial trading programs. These programs need H series CPU that have more core for algo trading. But i do not decide a work station or gaming PC . Legion 5 PRo, Dell XPS 15 , HP Zbook G9 or Fury ? can you give an advice? i concern about stability, thermal issues and a little mobility.
If you need Stability - go with a workstation.
The Zbooks have a thermal design that supposedly works at keeping the case cool without getting too loud.
Within the Zbooks, the Fury allows a lot of storage and memory plus better connectivity at the expense of additional weight. The Studio has a lower memory and storage capacity and has a lot fewer ports.
it would have been great to see them perform in video games like Call of duty! I know these are workstations & not intended for gaming but still! if you pay that much money you would like to be able to game in them ! , I have the Zbook Studio G8 i9 RTX 3080 and it just does not perform well for gaming ! there is a terrible GPU bottleneck between the Intel UHD integrated graphics and the RTX 3080
I like the Asus
Lol who uses their track pad like that?
HP laptops cost more because they offer real value. Your ASUS is by a chinese firm with poor support and little technical documentation. Take down this review, Ben.
its true man, I really really like the hp Z books because the high quality materials they use