Mitchell MS470 Is Guitar Centers Brand AND IT IS SMASHING CHEAP AMAZON GUITARS !!!
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In this video we take an in depth look at the Mitchell MS470 Les Paul style guitar!
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The size of the pots has no effect on the quality per se. However, you might assume that small pots on budget guitars coming from China are not the best quality. If they aren't scratchy, move smoothly, and the taper is good for you, why worry about it.
Agreed. The size of the pot doesn't matter. It's the quality of the pot. I think the reason so many think the smaller ones are lower quality is that many tend to be not great. However, that's about quality control, not the size.
Yep, Anderson Guitars use mini pots
Size? No missing point
I have one of there MS450 models and, yep, they’re good. Mine has string through body instead of a stop bar. Gives a loud acoustic sound and great sustain. I didn’t like the pickups, was going to change them but I tried adjusting the height way down first and it totally changed it for the better. I’m keeping them now. I plan on buying one of their acoustic guitars soon I think the bt331, it has a solid top and great reviews. Good video keep ‘em coming,
I was working for Guitar Center in 1979 when Mitchell guitars first came out. They were built cheap to sell cheap. Not bad for the money, but not as good as Yamaha. Back then it was just acoustics. Wayne Mitchell was the original owner of Guitar Center. There were only 3 stores - Los Angeles, San Francisco and San Diego. I always enjoy your videos.
My buddy has an old Mitchell acoustic guitar. 1979 was when I was born, so cool they started that year.
Hello from North Carolina. According to Google Mitchell guitars came out in 1986. I could always get a better deal right across the street from Guitar Center at Sam Ash Music!! And I spent thousands of dollars there at Sam Ash too!! Either Sam Ash or another small Mom and Pop's music store named Guru Guitar Shop that handmade their own brands of guitars, wound their own line of pickups, and damn good pickups for a damn good price too. Whenever I was gonna customize any of my guitars and didn't have the time to do it myself I'd always take it to Guru Guitar Shop, plus they always have a lot of vintage guitars and vintage tube amps and pedals for sale too or when I need to have any of my vintage music equipment worked on, Guru Guitar Shop is the best place in or near Raleigh, NC in my opinion to Shop for vintage music equipment or to have vintage equipment worked on by someone trustworthy, and there is one more place called the "Mad Scientist" who does great work on old tube amps, (is there any other kind) but the Mad Scientist is a little more expensive. Guru is owned and operated by 4 musicians who knows what it's like to be a struggling band who's just trying to play their first paying gig!!
T-O-Matic means "Tune-o-matic-but-please-don't-sue-us-Gibson"
Sean, my first guitar was a Mitchell MD100/TR Acoustic from Guitar Center Rancho Cucamonga which is actually Fontana Ca. In 2000. I was comparing those guitars to Martin D15.'s I went through 15 of them. I found a guitar with the😢 bottom brace shimmed because someone dropped it and it had damage at the lower bout. It played insanely perfect. Deep voice. With the shim in place separating the top from bottom I went to the counter and got a custom strap of my choice, a gig bag, 30 picks, an awesome strap, a capo, a stainless slide, and a string winder, and a choice of 2 guitar learning books for $150.00 out the door when I showed them the damage. It's a perfect guitar. It plays perfect in normal tuning but shines when you play it in dropped D. Go big red. I've never fixed it. Never seen a reason to. Perfect Intonation. I cept it in my car for 2 years. Summer and winter, it never warped. Mitchell's Rock.
About 10 years ago, I stopped by Guitar Center to pick up a new mic cable. I went into the acoustic room and started messing around with a Mitchell 12 string. It was marked $119 because it had a blemish on the back. The clerk saw me playing it and told ne he'd sell it to me for $90. So I went in looking for mic cables and walked out with a 12 string. It's a great guitar, especially for the price I got it at.
I have almost the same story.
Yep, made by IYV. They make axes for HB, Wolf, and some other companies, in addition to making guitars under their own label. Basically all Vietnam made guitars are IYV produced. They do custom orders for insanely low prices.
"the OCD kicking in?" lol.
I have a MS450, love it, love everything about it. IYV did a great job building it.
That's not a broken switch ... that's a "low profile" switch ;)
Just grabbed one of these. Beware of the tuners. They are not actually locking tuners in the traditional sense, you have to wind the strings around the posts in order to get the correct break angle over the nut. I found out the hard way after trying to bring down the nut slots and finding that the string was not going any lower. The tuner was too tall and the string was floating in the slot( slot was wide enough to accommodate string width).
That rear cavity looks like a coffin
Picked one of these up for $170 and love it!
I have a MItchell HD400 and it is one of the best guitars I've ever owned. Put a pair of Dimarzio's in it and its a shred monster! I play this $200 guitar more than my $2,000 ones
Yep 👍 I've got one of the green ones and it's been my go-to guitar since 2018 and the high dollar pretty guitars have mostly been sitting in the case.
If you can find them, Sam Ash had a house brand in the early 2000’s called Brownsville guitars. They were manufactured in Korea at the Cort factory and ranged from basic beginner models what was called the New York Pro series. I have a New York Pro LP copy that I picked up used w/ a hard shell case for $140. It quickly became my #1 gigging guitar. That Mitchell there looks very similar sans the headstock.
I'm not positive but I think there made at coretech.
You saved me $$from buying Amazon guitar and then paying grouchy guitar center tech $$ for fixing it.
I have my citron I paid $200 for 3 weeks ago and all I did was a mag swap to a a8 in the bridge and that's it. The 470 is not hist a Amazon guitar killer but a Epi LP killer also.
Nice looking guitar! I have tried several of these at GC and I think they are pretty dam good. I liked their old GC's in-house brand Laguna as well. Don't know why they change the name I wouldn't doubt both brands were made by the same company. I think Laguna only made strat shaped electrics I prefer a LP shape myself but own plenty of strat style guitars. If the price is right I won't pass up a guitar.
That's a great buy! Mitchell is the name of Guitar Center's founder, if I recall correctly. Yes, my OCD was kicking in big time, but we've all removed nuts that way. Have you ever used an ESP Multi Spanner Wrench? They work well for pulling knobs and tightening/loosening the various nuts on a guitar--even the round nut for the switch.
It's not solid mahogany. But after installing seymore duncan humbuckers, new dunlop pots witchcraft 3way switch. A roller bridge from Germany for tuning and intonation stability. And last but not least a perfectly cut nut from a ventura acoustic from the 80s. Basically the original electronics are crap. They can't make money if they put good stuff in. The reason I bought the Mitchell is it's a les paul shaped guitar half the weight of a les paul. It's much thinner than a Gibson. My Mitchell intonates perfectly therefore it tunes very nice. And stays tuned. Killer pickups and wiring good pots is one thing. But all that is worthless if your guitar won't tune properly.
10/13/2023 I JUST GOT A MITCHELL HD400 FOR 115 + 35 SHIPPING TOTAL 161.5 MADE IN CHINA 07/03/2017 still had plastic on it , the Floyd Rose was positioned on the lower portion of the rocker studs causing bridge to set too low and too far back causing chipped paint in the bridge pocket 2 places (scared guitar who cares haha), got it playing in 2 hours , i'm happy as crap missing tremolo arm @ amazon +19 total 180.5 , small pots green capacitor , wish they were big pots and a orange drop ,but oh well still happy
Orange drop, nobody knows what it means anymore. Originally, there were patented, copyrighted or trademarked Sprague brand orange drops. As I recall there was a standard 715 model and a finer 716 model. I don't know if Sprague still makes them. I have a pair of 716s as input capacitors in a tube amp I built in 2006. The orange drops these days can be anyting. I presume they are polyester capacitors of undetermined quality dipped in orange plastic, unless you buy a name brand from a quality vendor. Best regards.
I did not know that IYV was making Mitchells. I ordered an MS450 a few years back and IIRC it was made in China. Gorgeous guitar but the knobs didn't turn or pull up - they were recessed and pressed hard against the wood. Local GuitarCenter manager thought it had been dropped, although the finish was perfect (though if it were dropped while in the bag it maybe could have bent the shafts without marring the wood.) Kinda soured me on the brand so I returned it and bought a Gretsch instead. It was also sold as new but was clearly an open box return as the shipping bag was shredded and there was no warranty card, Allen wrenches, etc. Although that's a common GuitarCenter thing, not a Mitchell thing. I may have to try another - I love my IYV guitars and I'm trying to avoid as many made in China products as possible. Anything I can buy made in Indonesia, Vietnam, or South Korea is a great alternative to Chinese made. And in fairness, the finish was gorgeous, the binding was superb, the tuners were smooth, and the frets were smooth, level, well-polished and end filed. Yours sounds great.
I've got a Mitchell MD300 (the "strat" version) and its a phenomenal guitar...
Now that's a 250$ lesser Paul.....nice
Great guitar with high-output, dual-humbucking paraffin-dipped Alnico V pickups that reduce microphonics and unwanted feedback, also come with Graph Tech TUSQ XL reduced-friction nut ,which helps enhance the tuning stability. Probably the best lp copy made for $200
Great video. What about a Harley Benton SC 550 II PAF for $215.00 ?
Tempting
Hey Sean what strings do you use when you teplace the old ones? Also are those Chinese strings on temu any good? Thanks
I like the head stock design better than Gibson's because it keeps the strings straight into the nut. It's a pretty guitar. I'd like to snag one of those, but they are $400 at my local guitar center. If CG is trying to copy what Thomann is doing with Harley Benton, they are pricing them all wrong.
As an aside, I'd like to see you try to speak into the pickups on these cheap guitars to see how microphonic they are. Some of the pickups you've pulled out of these inexpensive guitars had telltale evidence of wax potting, but I'd still like to know if they are microphonic. Plug 'em in and shout into the pickups!
Electrically there is no difference in the dime sized pots vs the full sized CTS style pots. The full sized ones are higher quality, made with more substantial components, smoother, last longer, and just feel better when you roll them. There is no difference electrically, which means there is no difference in the way they sound.
Hey friend. You can still snag the 200 dollar ones online, but be aware that they are B stock. Mine has a few finish flaws in the top finish, binding, and veneer, but who cares. The 400 dollar ones are just what they're actually shipping out to stores
As a person just learning, I really thank you for all you pointers and demos. So many good quality guitars. Rock on Sean and Cathy🎸
That Mitchell 470 sounds great, are you putting.09s on it? I use.09 s and had to tune down to E flat. I like Humbuckers without the chrome covers, even the Dirty Fingers Zebra pickups.
I use the MS450. Picked it up on sale for $225. Ridiculous value. Plays like a $600 guitar with minimal adjustments. I absolutely love mine
The way things cost today, this is important work to let people know there are great quality affordable instruments out there. Keep up the good work.
Pretty much exactly the same as the Harley Benton SC-Custom II. Only the headstock looks a bit different.
Sean, I would be very surprised to find that you are wrong about IYV being the maker of Guitar Center's Mitchell electrics. You're almost certainly right. Not only does IYV do a lot of this sort of business, but I own 2 Donners built by that company -- and the typeface on those guitars' serial numbers and other print looks a lot like what we see on your Mitchell. My main question about that Mitchell is whether it has a real maple top or not. I have one guitar with wood recipe like a very old Gibson Les Paul Custom, with the all-mahogany body, and another with a maple neck along with a maple-topped mahogany body, both set necks. That's a close to a Les Paul as I've gotten in my life. I love those axes, but I wouldn't mind something with a Les Paul wood recipe. Would that MS470 answer that mail?
Good deal and great that can check them out in person at GC instead of gambling on what will arrive at your door from the overseas shipping
I got a Mitchell bass guitar when they were on sale for $99. I'm very pleased with it. I played other Mitchells. They played surprisingly well.
I have one. It is a red one. I like it.
Lists for $399.99 or restock version for &199.99 at Guitar Center same at Musicians Friend.
also have a Mitchell 470 , and a 200
Their house brand WAS Laguna. I have one that's a PRS style with 24 fret. Don't know how much it originally cost. Got mine used for Christmas.
Oh I didn’t know that. My best friend in high school gave me a Laguna for my 18th birthday, but it was stolen years later. I was always curious about the brand as it was very hard to find info on. Thanks for this.
That is a beautiful Guitar. Sounds pretty good too
Do you really talk like that? LOL I think it sounds nice. Something calming about it.
hey there, my friend
I feel like you & I might be related 3:)
Nice guitar and good review. Thanks for the heads up, got to get one.
Looks like an IYV to me. $200.00 is a fair price.
Man it sounds great and pretty too. Thanks guys and take care.
I can't believe you are actually sottering on the back of the guitar without protecting the finish on the back of the guitar boo.
I can't believe you are actually making this comment after seeing I didn't hurt it. Boo Hoo
@@scarmyguitar but u could have. What if it was a customer guitar
What is "sottering"?
@@rickgledura3194shut up you have no reason to speak
Is it your guitar? Then move on joker!!
Tons O fun - matic
Just bought a Mitchell travel size guitar for my preschool grandkid who wants to learn guitar. Mahogany body (likely laminate) with a solid spruce top (!) for just over $100 brand spanking new with a gig bag! Way better than the Sears Roebucks guitar that was my first guitar back in 1972.
That's a nice $250 guitar. It even has shielding in the Electronics cavity. I like those locking tuners.
Mine arrived last Friday. Flipping amazing guitar for the price. Nothing's better in this price range ... not FF, not HB, not Grote, not IYV.
I have the Ms450. Great guitar. I put a Gibson 57 plus in the neck and a Seymour Duncan 59 in the neck 👍🏽 routing the wiring was a pain in the butt tho 😂
I bought their acoustic beginner package, and the guitar was amazing. I saw the Widow for 250.00 and took the chance. I definitely hit the lottery, even though the UPS driver was an asshole, but ain't that life.
I bought an MM100 for 99 bucks and flipped out the humbuckers for 16. Thank you for pointing me towards these guitars! They're great!
I bought a 12 string Mitchell acoustic from GC years ago for 90 bucks used. They sell I think for about $350 new. It is a great sounding well built guitar, that I would put against any 12 string, even Martin. You don't have to take my word for it, go play one and see for yourself. Now the one I bought is about 8 or 10 years old, if that makes a difference.
That's a awesome guitar
Maybe next visit, if you're allowed after that gift, you can collect the kid...go to a music store with a budget...and let them select. Starwipe..."The More You Know"...
I have the MS450 and it's better than any Epiphone I've ever played. Very solid guitar. Right up there with my Michael Kelly.
I wanted the HD400 can't find one for the cheap prices I used to on Ebay. I ended up with a HSH set of pups for one for around 30.. I'm going to use them for a DIY project later on.
Man, and I was looking to get a Censtar or Grote LP. Now we've got the Mitchell as an option. I'm seeing that MF/GC has just lowered the MS470 to $199.99 per their website (edit: just noticed that this would be for "restocks"). Too many choices...
But, with Guitar Center you can try it out before buying (provided you go to a brick and mortar store rather than buying online). That's a plus for the Mitchell.
@@MisterJWJ71 Very true. To make a case on the other side, online purchases have a degree of anonymity that makes it a lot easier to return a guitar if it just doesn't make your cut. One can fully evaluate a guitar for the return period - 30 days with Amazon - before making a decision. The guitar can be played with your own amp, pedals, and in an environment that is safe and non-judgmental.
@@TechnoRiff
That's true and most online retailers have a similar test period where you can return things. I'm not against buying online but, I think if you can try it before buying you're more likely to be satisfied with the purchase. Though I do understand your point of trying it at home with your own rig. In the end it's a matter of personal preference.
@@MisterJWJ71 Yes - to each their own!
Man, looks wise, I cant tell the difference from my PRS.
There is a small version of the MS series at GC (their brand) and when I spot them for sale very cheap, I know what it is. Same for Brownsville and Oscar Schmidt at SamAsh stores
Its nice to see Sean get a good one
Does IYV stand for IN Your Vehicle so you always have a backup for emergencies? Lol
I had a short-scale strat from them that was pretty crap, but I like my short-scale PJ bass. Like the headstock on it, it's similar and has the same logo design.
Sounded good Sean 😎
looks similar to the headstock shape on my IYV neckthrough..
I've been so impressed by these guitars that I just bought a 2nd one. I continue to be blown away by them.
I couldn't tell from the pickups cavities whether it is a veneer or sold cap top. Which is it? Not that it really matters for the price...
The pick-up select switch looks like it's in a weird spot off-center?
You are always good to watch, when you made a " Monkey '' remark your wife was funny how she swung a neck or something at you.
Dude you could sell me on a 2x4 with strings! Love it!
Take care Sean and Cathy, I always learn something when I come here.
Sounds like Guitar Center is treating you better, not a bad deal for a sweet guitar.
we spilled american blood for those gitfiddles o_O
@ $400!
Nice guitar tech'n you made it nicer. I tried a Mitchell strat style 300 series with a hardtail. Yes its locking tuners are nice.
Its basswood body is light for my back. I did put my favorite P/U's in it and a better wiring harness. I put a kill switch on it for fun.
Bought used from GC $88 I use this guitar alot and a Mitchell 4 string bass mb200 nice n lite too. Now I dont wear out my more expensive high end guits.
I feel ya, they are so cheap it is hard to believe the quality. So it makes a great "beater", if that's what you want it for.
If you haven't checked them out yet, Tario!
I just bought this same guitar on sale for $199 great guitar .
All u need $2 guitar pamphlet on Octaves All set
10 facing the screw is a great tip, Thanks Sean
Dude, PLEASE play some different chords!!!!!!!!
I want one! Always enjoy your reviews!!
Well, GC must have got a lot of interest since this recording, it's $399.99 and $299.99 used up in the Midwest.
What's the weight of the guitar?
I have a TD400 and its an awesome strat.
To matic means play with yo toes 🤣
very good detailed video, sir ;-)
I like the middle position.
I have an HD400 and am pretty happy with it.
Sean, do you think that is a true coil tap or a coil split?
To my ear it didn't sound quite as thin as a single coil so maybe it is tapped.
I used to have an Ibanez Roadstar back in the early '80s that had DiMarzio true-tapped humbuckers in it and they were some of the best sounding pickups I have had but in those days I had to trade in old equipment when I bought something new.
I dont own this particular model, but the model previous; it isn't a true coil tap, it's just a coil split. Takes off a lot of low end and a bit of treble, but aside from that there's not a huge tonal difference. It's very noticeable clean, but once it's distorted you can't hear any difference even if the coil is split.
I thought tapping and splitting are 2 totally different things. Coil split is making a humbucker to a strat like single coil. Tapping is the way you wound the pickups and cut and tap the wire and wound again. People tend to get that completely wrong. Imo.
I just ordered one of these lol.
The ms400 my les Paul killer
Love my Mitchell 470. Plays great
Around how much does it weight? Ordered one and the ups order says the package is 12 pounds. I remember the older versions not weighing anywhere close to that
@@manny7289 not sure about the weight. It’s lighter than my epiphone sg if that helps?
@@darthtater4655 it's something lol. Thank you
The only thing i dont like about this mitchell is that the three way switch is in the wrong place. It isnt centered on the bout. Its too high, and too far back.
Better this then design with 3 way switch on the other side and too low so one can only play a small section when strumming.
The switch looks wrong because the upper bout starts at the 14th not the 15th fret. No one notices this. The upper bout is one fret taller than a Les Paul and as a result the neck heel and join is higher too.
Thank you.
Is it better than the Fesley HSS?
The Fesley is trash
@@scarmyguitar and all the hype that guitar got
@@scarmyguitar How’s the Cozart Tele, better than the MS470.
@@scarmyguitar Didn't you review the Fesley twice and call it the best budget strat style guitar on Amazon? What's changed?
Coil tap or split? You said both
It's a split. Most people use the terms interchangeably