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How to align a drift car (Nissan Silvia, S13, S14, S15, PS13)
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2017
- One of the most common questions we get asked is about the alignment setting on the Driftworks Silvia S15 so we have put together this small video showing what alignment arms we use and the rough alignment settings. If you have any questions about this please let us know
Geomaster knuckles
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Toe Rods
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Camber Arms
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Traction Rods
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GeoMaster Tension rods
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Offset rack spacers
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Geomaster tie rods
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Powerflex camber bolt
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CS2 COILOVERS
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Really awesome to see you guys sharing the tech details most won't talk about! Nice to get a good look at the geomasters too, not used to all these extra fancy arms you Nissan people get :P
Glad you enjoyed, thanks!
Editing skills getting better and better :) love it as always !
Cheers, much appreciated
I have your front LCA's and when they're extended out my ARB drop links kink out and are not straight. How did you prevent this on these extended LCA's as i see your ARB drop links are vertically straight?
the chrome bolts are nicer than black imo good call
haha not so much a call, more a mistake :D.
New ad is sick! great editing job. I need to find a place that does those tyres too. Going through Toyo Proxies is painful, even though they're not that expensive, and i'm not even drifting (yet)
Thanks man! Yeah cheap tyres are the key!
So was just looking to correct the alignment on a driftcar our shop rewired because the alignment is horrendous. LR wheel is way toes in to where it was murder pushing it into our shop with 3 guys, it is bad. I was going to zero the toe out anyway but was going to have much more rear camber in my mind to where yours would be in the green even if you pulled up the factory specs. I understand the principle behind it and makes sense to me, are all these drift bros just running excessive rear camber for looks alone? I thought some of these guys were using camber to decrease the contact patch to make it easier to upset the rear, you are going for traction and contact patch to obtain a faster roadspeed while drifting im assuming?
I have setup road race and drag cars/ street cars suspension before but never done a dedicated drift car before so I have been doing some reasearch to see what the other s14s had on their alignment sheets. This car has a 1UZ so not a ton of power but still plenty for what it is.
@driftworks how do i determine if my aftermarket arms are driftworks and not ebay reps
You can drop us a photograph to shop@driftworks.com and we will let you know.
nice video guys!!
Thanks Ben
Sounds much betterer ;-)
cheers,
Why do you use stock rear lower control arms and not the Driftworks adjustable ones?
The car is street style. We're not supposed to be getting too carried away with it :D
Can you say in the rear is basically a stock alignment set up? I have an S13 which is different but I'm trying to have an idea on which route to go with it
This setup would be perfect for your S13, Rich runs a similar setup currently on his S15 daily too
Nice. Really interesting. Most seem to be really secretive with their alignment settings. What ARBs are you using?
Donald J. Trump rear looks stock, didnt really look at the front though
Glad you enjoyed! Yeah a lot of people hold their cards close to their chests, but this recipe of parts just works so well we'll give all the help we can. I can't remember which ARB's they are off the top of my head. They are either standard or Dmax. We're big fans of ARB's. A lot of people remove them which we've never felt works.
#askdriftworks Do the geomaster knuckles and other stuff used on the S15 help with building a car for grip aswell as drift? Alot of aftermarket suspension for Silvias are built to gain big lock for drifting and everything but do they help grip and make a car go faster around a track not just more sideways?
They are specifically designed with Grip driving in mind. They have 2 completely separate lower arm & tie rod mountings on the front knuckles, 1 for the grip setting, 1 for drift & the rear knuckles are perfect for both.
Driftworks will there be any big improvement just using the rear geomaster 3 for grip driving? Can't get both at the moment.
Rich does that chassis banging happen in skylines as well? Mines lowered on coilovers and i get quite a bang now and then if it drops to hard at the back. Suspension is stock other than the coilovers
I am not sure but it would be easy to spot as there would be marks on the arm/chassis
Driftworks OK dude thank you I will have a look. keep up the good work 👌🖒
#askdriftworks do you find a zero offset wheel in the front is hard to steer and understeers due to the increased scrub radius? think stock is +40
Ryan Anderson With 6° neg camber, 6.5° positive caster, and 10mm total toe out this car will steer its self.
awesome video guys I've been looking for some alignment advise, curious on zero rear toe, what would rear toe in or out cause? I'm wondering if a little to in May give some forward bite, running a stock e36 225/4517 45psi looking to get some forward grip out of it,. cheers
We would normally run a little toe in at that the rear for stability. This took a little hit at Rockingham and we've yet to correct it properly.
It really doesn’t matter 17 or 18, it’s the tire size that determines clearance up front
@driftworks what is 10 minutes toe out converted to MM ?? For the life of me can't find on the internet
It depends at what distance from the centreline of the wheel the measurement is taken. But presuming it's taken at roughly the diameter of the wheel/tyre you can aim for 2 or 3mm total toe out.
Awesome man thanks for the reply . I've been using that ammount so far and it's been good but recently been seeing some crazy ass toe ammounts and it doesn't make sense to me
Do the rear geomasters alter the angle off the driveshafts?
The driveshaft angle is determined by the height of the differential and the position of the wheel. Geomasters don't change that. They correct the suspension arm angles around the driveshaft.
My question isn't about the alignment but what rims are those?
They are Work Meister M1 3piece at the back, and M1R at the front www.driftworks.com/work-meister-wheels/
Where do you get the tyres from?
Just a local cheap tyre supplier. They are just budget tyres
Should the rack still be moved forward with Geo 3's in trackmode?
You should be fine. It depends on the rest of your setup. If you are using stock lower arms then you will have the lockstops
Stock lower arms, longer rods with your 3mm steering spacer/spring washer and Geo 3's in track mode. Fast road/grip track.
Lockstops have to be cut off.
I mean from a geometry point of view of what happens when turning, weather it's suggested moving rack forward or not.
If not I'l just leave it.
Rich ran the older generation Geomaster 2 knuckles without moving the rack foreward and standard lower arms and did not have any issues going over center (his car is just used for parking!)
Ok cheers
What does 10 "minutes" of toe-out translate to in degrees?
There are 60 minutes in a degree, so I guess 0.16 degrees.
@@driftworks Thanks! How much is this increased with Ackerman at full steering angle?
Where is Ross? Does Ross still work at Driftworks?
No, not for some time.
What size tire up front?
We are using 245/35/17 on the front, its a strange size so you may struggle to find them
Where are you buying your tyres from for that price?
We buy in bulk from a local distributor.
Driftworks
what sort of bulk? 20+? im happy to buy in bulk just wanna buy something cheap enough.
Yeah 20 will get you a deal I'm sure. Just check out who supplies your local taxi's with the cheapest Chinese tyres out there. Make sure you test a pair though as some are dogshit. Also don't be afraid of re-moulds, some are really surprisingly good, but there are different grades of remould, and again some are dogshit.
Why toe out in the front and not toe in?
Toe Out gives you more steering response compared toe in which can cause understeer issues
So for a grip driving setup, toe out is more desirable?
toe in is for straight line stability
There are many factors to take into account, but when we run a full grip / track geometry on one of our BMW's or similar we would usually run a little toe out at the front, and toe in at the rear. Some people go crazy with it, but go too far and it'll really mess up the inside edge of your tyres.
@@driftworks how many degrees of toe out do you run in front? I couldn't understand in the video
Whats (combined 10 minutes of toe)
5 minutes each side.
Is that the same as 5 degrees of toe out on each side?
no; 1 degree equals 60 minutes.
I think I'm experiencing some "deja vu".
haha yes sorry about that, the first upload had issues with audio
First! Do I win a prize?
A Coconut?
Driftworks Dipped in chocolate?
The camera is all over the place, gets annoying
Old vid. Apologies.
@@driftworks I'm sorry for my harsh reaction i suffer from adhd/ocd it just gave me anxiety from trying to listen while watching the video. I love your videos I'm looking to get into drifting and the video made it difficult to watch