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Omg!! Finally someone smart tested a regular size firewood we typically find in stores in US. I was wondering how people deal with it. I am tired of cutting those firewood into half with a chainsaw in the past 4 years because all 3 of my stoves are less than 16” and I am in the market looking for a large stove so that I can just stick the regular size firewood right away. Thanks for the video!!!
Just spent 3 nights camping in my Classic Jack 140 with the Winnerwell Nomad Large stove. I liked the larger size for larger pieces of wood and the square design which seemed like a more efficient use of space. I also liked that I can hang the water tank on the side, however now that I’ve tried the water tank, eh, I kinda don’t think it’s that useful. It’s much easier to just throw a pot on the stove if you want to boil some water. When the stove is cranking and the water in the tank is boiling and you don’t need anymore water, it’s hard to remove the tank because it’s wrapped around the stove pipe which can be red hot. You need welding gloves for that. You can hang it on the side but it’s still trickier to remove if you don’t need anymore hot water and the stove is still hot. Also, everything warps when it’s hot, but returns back to normal when it cools off.
Great insight thanks for sharing! I haven't gotten the water tank because I sorta had the feeling it would go like you explained. I like just having a simple kettle I can set on there or set aside as needed without gloves. Enjoy that CJ and Nomad!
The tank is nice if you're serving a crew or a bunch of kids in wet or cold weather. Instant soup, hot chocolate, drip coffee, tea, ... You can have all of those things without tying-up the stovetop, and keep everybody a little bit happier. But just me or one or two other people and me? Not necessary. You just do one thing at a time, in a pretty natural rhythm. It just depends how big of a crew you're serving with the one stove.
Try this test with a dense hardwood, as big of a piece as will fit in the stove, turn down both dampers, having the inlet open about 1/8 to 1/4 inch. I get an easy 4 hours out of my medium woodlander.
That's great to know! Indeed the test I did here was on the more conservative end with soft pine wood and dampers about 2/3 open. I'm going camping again this next week and got some hardwood so I'm looking forward to seeing how that goes. Thanks for watching!
I was curious about what kind of wood you used (I skipped through the video to catch the main points). Soft pine!? That’s surprising. I’m in an area with lots of locust, and I’d be curious how long that would last. Thanks for the video. I’d definitely get the large if I end up going this direction & getting a canvas tent.
I have the Tomount wood stove for my Preself 4 person Hot tent. And I found the burning pine 🌲 is not a good choice. It will clog your spark arrester very quick. So I don’t recommend burning pine . For getting your first fire started sure.
I know this is late but, I just got interested in winnerwell stoves and was researching them when I came across your review. I’ve got to say that it is a great review. I’m ordering the large stove today! Here in Montana, like Idaho, we’ve got an abundance of soft pine. Looks like I’ll be burning lodge pole. I plan on using it in my ice shacks this year.
Great experiment!!! Keep videos like this coming. Some people start testing products like this and stop. I don’t know if it’s from views or someone told them to stop. You should make a video showing how warm your ten by twelve tent gets with the stove and how maintaining a decent temp with both stoves in the same tent. With the stove dialed in and the coals already established. Will make a big difference. My experience with the caribou stove from the U.S. stove company and the Outback wood stove is night and day. Both serve a purpose. The caribou can take large logs. The outback is good with small sticks. The temp in a 10x15 can be the same if you want to keep feeding the outback stove. It also takes longer to warm up. Not much but longer. You never get to stock pile unless there is a lot of dead trees around you with the outback. The coals that the caribou create will last for a hour plus. Not more than two hours. When the fire is out. You will know on both stoves. Great job!!!
I bought the Winnerwell Woodlander Doubleview Large (window in front and on both sides) for several reasons, not the least of which is the size wood I can put into it. I absolutely love it in my 10x14 wall tent with the pipe oven installed. (just buying the water heater). So for me the Large Winnerwell Woodlander is the perfect choice. Cutting down standard size wood gets old quick.
Love my Nomad Large. Best thing for camping in the cold in my Russian Bear hot tent!! Can't go wrong with that stove, so well built, so many great accessories.
@@theoutdoorempire yes very easy set up, REalLY well built..only thing I wish they had was some kind of vent in the roof because it can get smoky in there near the top. You have to keep one of the windows open, which isn’t a problem since these tents get really warm fast being double walled.
@@gcruishank9663 I thought they had a vent down low and a vent up high. Checking... Yes. You can crack one of the windows. But if you're putting out smoke, it would tend to gather at the top. You just shouldn't be leaking smoke into the tent from a properly operated wood stove. I'm really looking hard at the Russian Bear paired with a large Winnerwell stove, because of the accessories available on the large, plus the fact that a large Winnerwell will accommodate a standard, 16-inch stovelength.
@@harrymills2770Ya, sometimes if the fire dies down you have to open the door and get things going and that can bleed some smoke into the tent. What I have now is a little rechargable fan connected to a 7" flexible dryer vent that blows out one of the windows. Don't need it most of the time but it is nice if the tent gets too hot or smokey. Just took the tent out ice fishing in BC up north and set up about 200 yards from shore. Used a Luxe 3W stove this time and worked out great. Only problem is the ice starts to melt underneath the tent, even with the 4 layers of floor. 😝
I use compressed hardwood blocks. I can fit two of them in my large woodlander and it burns for close to eight hours with the damper and flue closed. Great stove.
Hey, thanks for making this. It was really helpful in deciding whether to get the medium or large Woodlander. We're _definitely_ gonna go with the large after watching your video. I don't mind _splitting_ wood, but... it would suck to have to saw the ends off to make "baby wood", as you called it. Large FTW!
Ya I definitely prefer the large, at least for winter camping when you want to keep the fire going all night. Since I made this video I've used the large Nomad camping and got it dialed in where I can get a solid 4+ hours of burn time using hardwood and adjusting the dampers. Thanks for watching!
I have both of these stoves. Both are great in every application I currently have for them. I.e. both the Nortent Gamme 4 and Gamme 6 dome tents. The woodlander medium is still too much stove for the 4 person tent, but that's fine. Opening up ventilation is a good thing. At 73 I'm looking at doing more vehicle based camping, so have a few of their accessories on the shopping list. Good gear. P.s. I'm sure former Senator Craig appreciates the tip of the hat ! ..... lmao !
Thanks for making this video. The log length is enough to push me toward the Large. For the Nomad vs Woodlander, I’m still torn. I’m leaning woodlander just to get the stove further up and away from my vinyl floor.
I own medium woodlander and large nomad stoves . Longer burn time , larger wood pieces , less smoke , less creosote buildup. All using the large nomad model. The medium woodlander model , less burn time , less cooking area , more creosote ( if using more than a couple days at a time ) The rounded belly of the woodlander is a lot easier to remove ash , it just a straightline pull of the ash scraper to clean . The nomad is a sweeping , more time consuming clean out . Which to me , is a big deal in really cold temps , The ability to clean faster , less smoke in tent . Also something I see very few people mention about the woodlander model. The extra height makes it easier to load wood , clean out , cook, and keep your feet warm or just dry shoes or wood . Several pieces fit nicely under stove . Also I feel the structure of the woodlanders are stronger . I've noticed far less warpage in the last 3 years of using both stoves . I have used both models in 3m 4m and 5m hot tents . I feel like the medium model is pushed to its limit on a 4m size tent . Which the large nomad can get a 5m tent really toasty at temps down to 10 F degrees . The packability is awkward on the woodlanders . It tends to roll in the carrying bag . The nomad does not ! Not a big issue , but I feel like this could pose a danger to the glass breaking . If you pack all the tools like I do . Also just awkward to unpack if it's rolled sideways . I feel like the woodlander is a better designed stove all the way around . But both models have been great to work with . You won't go wrong in choosing any winnerwell products . The quality is superior , the company excels in customer service , if a problem should arise . But ....... Like all stoves , read the manual carefully , and do not over fire your stove . Happy burning , and best of luck in your choice of stove . I fully agree with your lean towards the large models . It's definatly the do all stove , at any temp . The small models . Require consistent feeding . ( no sleep )
Great comparison! Do you find the large stove puts off to much heat when it’s not really cold? Do you prefer the medium in not so cold temps or would you still prefer the large?
No, I don't think the large stove puts off too much heat when it's not really cold. I find the dampers are more useful on it than the medium and so you can dial in your heat output and burn efficiency better. Since I have both sizes now I'll probably take the medium when it's not too cold or when it's just for fun, then take the large in winter or when I want to rely on it for heat. But if I just got one, I'd get the large unless I am super pressed for space in the pickup or car or whatever and want to keep it small and light.
Thank you very much. Exactly what I wanted the know about the difference between stoves. I was looking at both. I’m in Ontario Canada and winter camp in Algonquin Provincial Park. I am looking to upgrade my space hence needing a bigger stove.
Cool! You got the Nomad Large! We also bought secondary combustion burner (SCB.) It works really well and there is almost no smoke. We haven't yet cut our stove jack hole in our Classic Jack 140 tent. Not sure how the SCB and stove pipe will line up. Maybe you do a video on the Winnerwell SBC..? Keep up the great videos!
Nice! Ya I'm super curious about the secondary combustion chamber. You'll have to let me know if it works with the Classic Jack 140. I might reach out to Winnerwell or Springbar's customer service and ask. 🤔
@@theoutdoorempire last month I did reached out to Winnerwell/Dwell Outdoors. Here was their reply: "Thanks for getting in touch with us. As far as we know no one has used the Secondary Burner inside one of the Springbar tents. It is likely you will need to order a new Zip-In Stove Jack to get the exit hole in the right place, even with the short pipe adjustment. You can make up a few inches by moving the stove forward or back a few inches but trying to get four inches may be tricky. You may have success not using a short pipe and creating some sort of stand you can get the stove on to make sure it reaches the appropriate height. Please let us know if you have any other questions, thanks!"
Having had both for awhile now, any major preference between the view and non-view versions? Going to pick up woodlander large but still trying to decide if the windows are worth it
@@theoutdoorempire perhaps the woodlander view will be more worth it with 2 side windows vs the 1 on the nomad. While at first I was thinking I didn't really care for nicer illumination, it may be worth it considering the time of year that the stove is used gets dark very early and thus you will be in your tent well before going to bed. Winter camping might be better with some nice light from the fire vs sitting in the dark or using a lantern
Thank for this very thorough video. Please consider lookingo the camera, it seem like you are looking i to a fold out screen, off center and its hard to concentrate while looking at you. Sorry for the critique
No worries at all and thanks for the feedback! I'm still pretty new to this UA-cam thing, but have been working on that very thing in my more recent videos. Thanks for watching. Cheers!
After having the nomad for a while, what are your thoughts on it vs same size woodlander? I'm planning on setting up long-term for a many months cabin build
Since my Woodlander and Nomad are different sizes, I don't have a perfect answer for you. I like the look and height of the Woodlander for cooking and what not. But I like the extra convenience of the Nomad which has a larger door and is easier to get fuel in and out. Also seems a bit more sensitive to adjusting the dampeners for more or less heat. But those minor things might be addressed by the large Woodlander. I'd definitely go for a large size for a cabin build though.
@@theoutdoorempirethanks brother. Sorry if I missed this in the video but can you confirm if there is a baffle plate inside so the air does not go straight up? I'm emailing winnerwell but not sure if they'll respond before I pull the trigger on a stove
I’ve got a Kodiak 12x12 and I bought the Winnerwell Large Nomad. How do you use the flashing kit when the Kodiak already has a sylicone ring in the stove jack?
You don't necessarily need the flashing kit in that case. I've used other tents with no silicone flashing at all, only the silver silicone/fiberglass fabric with a hole cut in it. You're probably fine with that Kodiak tent stove jack as is
I saw a youtube video about a trailer and the guy was cooking with a stove like this. When i Googled it i came up with. A Chinese knock off of the Nomad made from titanium which weighed in a lot less even with the included toaster oven
Hello! Great review! You could have told me, I like to travel in winter at temperatures up to minus 50 by car, and I'm thinking as an insurance option to purchase an oven for the car, in case the car breaks down. It is clear that there are car heating systems, but all this is electronics. Would you recommend such an oven for heating inside the car?
I'd do a hundred other things to prepare to stay warm in a broken down car before running a wood stove inside it. Extra clothing, candles, reflective blankets, even a naphtha stove would be safer.
Any issues with the spark arrestor plugging with creosote being at the end of the pipe? I thought these small stoves were better off with spark screens at the beginning of the pipe so it stays burned off?
No issues for me yet, it's never plugged up. Maybe it would if you're burning softwood for multiple days or weeks but I'm usually only camping for 3 or 4 days and burn more hardwood and it's not an issue.
It looked in the video like the air intake doors were wide open. Wouldn't it burn slower and last longer if they were mostly closed? We need a lightweight stove and have to get up a little in the night anyway, but don't want to have to do that every two hours all night to add more wood.
They were about half way open when I tested. You can definitely dial them down and stretch the time out a bit more. My best nighttime experience has been with the large size Winnerwell using hardwood at a slow burn and I once got almost 6 hours! I can pretty consistently get 4-5 hours with hardwood.
Long term use of softwoods in small stoves like these will create a terrible creosote situation quickly. Different woods put out different heat levels, and some woods which burn hot, also last a long time. In short the type of wood and the seasoning make a bigger difference than most realize.
I just wish you did a woodlander large instead of a mediam vs nomad large as that would have been a better playing field in which to compare the two as i wanted ro see the size difference to make my decision.
I wanted to compare both size and model and since both models are basically the same volume inside when the same size, and they're made of the same material, I assumed they would burn for roughly the same amount of time if the same size. But that could be wrong.
Not at all, but could just be my pup. He likes to lay near it in winter but he's never sniffed it or gotten too close so it hasn't been an issue. He's also pretty old now so not quite as interested in such things.
Thanks for the epic video man!! but damn makking it hard to decide if I go with a medium or L in my 10x10 kodiak lol. Id rather have a longer burn time but im worried the large is just too much heat when filling it up before trying to sleep what do you think?
Thanks man, glad you liked the video! That's a tough one and I think you'll be good either way. Either one will heat up your tent just fine. I have observed with the large size that, although it can get hotter, it also seems to have greater range and adjustability compared to the medium. So even on a warmer night with my family, I could close the dampers almost all the way and one night I got about 5 hours of burn time at a very comfortable temp (probably in the 50s-low 60s) in a 10x14 tent. You can adjust the dampers on the medium Woodlander too, but it's like the temp is either high or low whereas the large can be fine tuned a bit better. And honestly if you prep your firewood at home and just have enough cut a bit shorter than 16", the medium will probably be great. But I do admit that I prefer the large at this point for most of what I do. Good luck!
I love the woodland stove, but it looks like it is easier to take the ash out of the Norman stove it looks like the windows are bigger than the nomad stove
I'm not sure I'd say it's easier to get the ash out of one over the other. Same, really. The windows on the Nomad are bigger, but remember, the one in this video is also a Large size "View" model with the extra window on the side. If you get the large Woodlander View it'll be pretty similar, though the window in the door might be a bit smaller. Not sure.
I watched a lot of videos of both stoves, and it looks like the nomad stove has bigger windows on the sides than the woodland and when I was talking about before was the ashes look like it’s harder to get out from the Woodland then it is from the nomad
does anyone carry a fire extinguisher when using a camp stove? i haven't seen a single video that mentions one. am i just being paranoid? and thanks for another great video!
Great question and it's not a bad idea at all. I don't personally keep a fire extinguisher on hand in a hot tent, but I always have water in the tent and a blanket or clothing I could use to smother a potential fire. But now you got me wondering if others do.
@@theoutdoorempire maybe you need to explore all the options and do a review video for us! i'm thinking of getting one of those small kitchen models. something that's good for flames or grease fires from cooking. i don't see much of a chance of an electrical fire for me. lol.
Could anyone tell me in an "outside situation" only (with no tent) how the larger one compares to something like a medium Solo Stove firepit. Is there a big difference in the heat both can kick out ?
Maybe someone else will weigh in, but I think the stove would be better for cooking and would emit heat a bit more efficiently (as in less wood burned for same amount of heat). But if you're close to an open fire in a Solo firepit, the flames would feel good, though the side of the stove will not heat up and emit heat like the Winnerwell.
Go with Large Nomad get the leg extensions. Oven? Get the folding the pipe oven is very tiny and makes the stove top heavy. Plus don't take the lid plate off the stove to use oven. Tip glue a gasket around the door of Nomad. You can thank me later
Your test is flawed, you actually burned more wood with the big stove. So if the equal amount of wood was the gauge you still would have wood to burn with the medium stove when the big stove wold have burned out.
True about wood quantity, but what I wanted to test is "if I stuff this thing with wood before I go to sleep in my tent at night, how long will each stove burn before the fire peters out?" The result? Larger stoves can hold more wood and can burn longer by a fair margin. I was sorta hoping the smaller stove would last just as long because, as you say, it should burn more efficiently and therefore consume less wood. But you still have to load it up more frequently to keep it going.
@@theoutdoorempire if you take the wood you burn in the big stove, fill the small stove. There's wood left save wood. Now light both stoves. When the small stove starts to go out , put the wood left over In. I bet the small stove burns longer with the same wood.
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Thanks for commenting and for your input! Indeed, Winnerwell stoves come from China and are sold in the US through a US-based distributor. In my experience, I have found them to be high quality portable wood stoves.
HELLO,PLEASE,CAN YOU HELP ME? with that big burner,i am from Romania i have two children,LUCA and DOROTHEA We often left with the tent and we would need something like this..Dorothea has diabetses and we have to always suprvise her...i can"t afford to buy someting like theat..if you have the heart to help me would be very happy..May God bless you and yor family..thank you...
Not sure what you mean, but the objective was to compare the two sizes for burn time so folks can determine which size might suit them best. Let me know if there is something else you'd like to see here.
Woodlander Large is the way to go… not medium. So the comparison to the Nomad is not the same to begin with. I think that’s what he meant. The 2.5” to 3.5” pipe will change the burn from the start too. 👍🏻
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Omg!! Finally someone smart tested a regular size firewood we typically find in stores in US. I was wondering how people deal with it. I am tired of cutting those firewood into half with a chainsaw in the past 4 years because all 3 of my stoves are less than 16” and I am in the market looking for a large stove so that I can just stick the regular size firewood right away. Thanks for the video!!!
Awesome, glad it was helpful!
Just spent 3 nights camping in my Classic Jack 140 with the Winnerwell Nomad Large stove. I liked the larger size for larger pieces of wood and the square design which seemed like a more efficient use of space. I also liked that I can hang the water tank on the side, however now that I’ve tried the water tank, eh, I kinda don’t think it’s that useful. It’s much easier to just throw a pot on the stove if you want to boil some water. When the stove is cranking and the water in the tank is boiling and you don’t need anymore water, it’s hard to remove the tank because it’s wrapped around the stove pipe which can be red hot. You need welding gloves for that. You can hang it on the side but it’s still trickier to remove if you don’t need anymore hot water and the stove is still hot. Also, everything warps when it’s hot, but returns back to normal when it cools off.
Great insight thanks for sharing! I haven't gotten the water tank because I sorta had the feeling it would go like you explained. I like just having a simple kettle I can set on there or set aside as needed without gloves. Enjoy that CJ and Nomad!
The tank is nice if you're serving a crew or a bunch of kids in wet or cold weather. Instant soup, hot chocolate, drip coffee, tea, ... You can have all of those things without tying-up the stovetop, and keep everybody a little bit happier.
But just me or one or two other people and me? Not necessary. You just do one thing at a time, in a pretty natural rhythm.
It just depends how big of a crew you're serving with the one stove.
Try this test with a dense hardwood, as big of a piece as will fit in the stove, turn down both dampers, having the inlet open about 1/8 to 1/4 inch. I get an easy 4 hours out of my medium woodlander.
That's great to know! Indeed the test I did here was on the more conservative end with soft pine wood and dampers about 2/3 open. I'm going camping again this next week and got some hardwood so I'm looking forward to seeing how that goes. Thanks for watching!
I was curious about what kind of wood you used (I skipped through the video to catch the main points). Soft pine!? That’s surprising. I’m in an area with lots of locust, and I’d be curious how long that would last. Thanks for the video. I’d definitely get the large if I end up going this direction & getting a canvas tent.
@@theoutdoorempire how did it go? Im thinking of the medium vs large for my 10x10 I want a longer burn time more than anything
I have the Tomount wood stove for my Preself 4 person Hot tent. And I found the burning pine 🌲 is not a good choice. It will clog your spark arrester very quick. So I don’t recommend burning pine . For getting your first fire started sure.
I know this is late but, I just got interested in winnerwell stoves and was researching them when I came across your review. I’ve got to say that it is a great review. I’m ordering the large stove today! Here in Montana, like Idaho, we’ve got an abundance of soft pine. Looks like I’ll be burning lodge pole. I plan on using it in my ice shacks this year.
Great experiment!!! Keep videos like this coming. Some people start testing products like this and stop. I don’t know if it’s from views or someone told them to stop. You should make a video showing how warm your ten by twelve tent gets with the stove and how maintaining a decent temp with both stoves in the same tent. With the stove dialed in and the coals already established. Will make a big difference. My experience with the caribou stove from the U.S. stove company and the Outback wood stove is night and day. Both serve a purpose. The caribou can take large logs. The outback is good with small sticks. The temp in a 10x15 can be the same if you want to keep feeding the outback stove. It also takes longer to warm up. Not much but longer. You never get to stock pile unless there is a lot of dead trees around you with the outback. The coals that the caribou create will last for a hour plus. Not more than two hours. When the fire is out. You will know on both stoves. Great job!!!
Thank you for watching and for taking the time to share your experience! Great insight, I'll see what I can do in the coming months.
I bought the Winnerwell Woodlander Doubleview Large (window in front and on both sides) for several reasons, not the least of which is the size wood I can put into it. I absolutely love it in my 10x14 wall tent with the pipe oven installed. (just buying the water heater). So for me the Large Winnerwell Woodlander is the perfect choice. Cutting down standard size wood gets old quick.
Thanks for sharing! Totally agree on the wood size and I'm sure the double view makes for a good amount of light and ambiance.
Love my Nomad Large. Best thing for camping in the cold in my Russian Bear hot tent!! Can't go wrong with that stove, so well built, so many great accessories.
Agreed, very well built! I like the sound of that tent you have.
@@theoutdoorempire yes they are great tents, easy set up.
@@theoutdoorempire yes very easy set up, REalLY well built..only thing I wish they had was some kind of vent in the roof because it can get smoky in there near the top. You have to keep one of the windows open, which isn’t a problem since these tents get really warm fast being double walled.
@@gcruishank9663 I thought they had a vent down low and a vent up high.
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Yes. You can crack one of the windows.
But if you're putting out smoke, it would tend to gather at the top. You just shouldn't be leaking smoke into the tent from a properly operated wood stove.
I'm really looking hard at the Russian Bear paired with a large Winnerwell stove, because of the accessories available on the large, plus the fact that a large Winnerwell will accommodate a standard, 16-inch stovelength.
@@harrymills2770Ya, sometimes if the fire dies down you have to open the door and get things going and that can bleed some smoke into the tent. What I have now is a little rechargable fan connected to a 7" flexible dryer vent that blows out one of the windows. Don't need it most of the time but it is nice if the tent gets too hot or smokey. Just took the tent out ice fishing in BC up north and set up about 200 yards from shore. Used a Luxe 3W stove this time and worked out great. Only problem is the ice starts to melt underneath the tent, even with the 4 layers of floor. 😝
I use compressed hardwood blocks. I can fit two of them in my large woodlander and it burns for close to eight hours with the damper and flue closed. Great stove.
Nice! Did you make them yourself or you buy them some place?
I found some that got me a solid four hours, but eight would be amazing.
Wow
4 hours, does it make plenty of heat to keep the tent warm for 4 hours?
I use Canawick compressed hardwood blocks. @@theoutdoorempire
@@Dan_Soundgaryes it does
Hey, thanks for making this. It was really helpful in deciding whether to get the medium or large Woodlander. We're _definitely_ gonna go with the large after watching your video. I don't mind _splitting_ wood, but... it would suck to have to saw the ends off to make "baby wood", as you called it. Large FTW!
Ya I definitely prefer the large, at least for winter camping when you want to keep the fire going all night. Since I made this video I've used the large Nomad camping and got it dialed in where I can get a solid 4+ hours of burn time using hardwood and adjusting the dampers. Thanks for watching!
I have both of these stoves. Both are great in every application I currently have for them. I.e. both the Nortent Gamme 4 and Gamme 6 dome tents. The woodlander medium is still too much stove for the 4 person tent, but that's fine. Opening up ventilation is a good thing. At 73 I'm looking at doing more vehicle based camping, so have a few of their accessories on the shopping list. Good gear.
P.s. I'm sure former Senator Craig appreciates the tip of the hat ! ..... lmao !
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for making this video. The log length is enough to push me toward the Large. For the Nomad vs Woodlander, I’m still torn. I’m leaning woodlander just to get the stove further up and away from my vinyl floor.
Sounds like a large Woodlander is the one for you. Make sure to use a fire mat over the vinyl either way.
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I own medium woodlander and large nomad stoves .
Longer burn time , larger wood pieces , less smoke , less creosote buildup.
All using the large nomad model.
The medium woodlander model , less burn time , less cooking area , more creosote ( if using more than a couple days at a time )
The rounded belly of the woodlander is a lot easier to remove ash , it just a straightline pull of the ash scraper to clean .
The nomad is a sweeping , more time consuming clean out .
Which to me , is a big deal in really cold temps ,
The ability to clean faster , less smoke in tent .
Also something I see very few people mention about the woodlander model.
The extra height makes it easier to load wood , clean out , cook, and keep your feet warm or just dry shoes or wood .
Several pieces fit nicely under stove .
Also I feel the structure of the woodlanders are stronger .
I've noticed far less warpage in the last 3 years of using both stoves .
I have used both models in 3m 4m and 5m hot tents .
I feel like the medium model is pushed to its limit on a 4m size tent .
Which the large nomad can get a 5m tent really toasty at temps down to 10 F degrees .
The packability is awkward on the woodlanders .
It tends to roll in the carrying bag .
The nomad does not !
Not a big issue , but I feel like this could pose a danger to the glass breaking .
If you pack all the tools like I do .
Also just awkward to unpack if it's rolled sideways .
I feel like the woodlander is a better designed stove all the way around .
But both models have been great to work with .
You won't go wrong in choosing any winnerwell products .
The quality is superior , the company excels in customer service , if a problem should arise .
But .......
Like all stoves , read the manual carefully , and do not over fire your stove .
Happy burning , and best of luck in your choice of stove .
I fully agree with your lean towards the large models .
It's definatly the do all stove , at any temp .
The small models .
Require consistent feeding .
( no sleep )
What an incredibly thorough video. Bless you!
Great comparison!
Do you find the large stove puts off to much heat when it’s not really cold?
Do you prefer the medium in not so cold temps or would you still prefer the large?
No, I don't think the large stove puts off too much heat when it's not really cold. I find the dampers are more useful on it than the medium and so you can dial in your heat output and burn efficiency better.
Since I have both sizes now I'll probably take the medium when it's not too cold or when it's just for fun, then take the large in winter or when I want to rely on it for heat. But if I just got one, I'd get the large unless I am super pressed for space in the pickup or car or whatever and want to keep it small and light.
I sure love my large woodlander. Great video
Right on, great stove!
Thanks for the burn time info. You might also want to use a thermocouple powered fan to help circulate the warmed air around the tent. :)
Ya, I'd like to get one of those. I think it could really help when it's super cold in winter.
That was a good video. You kept it moving while hitting on everything that anyone would need. Great job and thank you
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
You could also use a collapsible cart/wagon for spring/summer/autumn and a sled in the winter to haul all your gear to the camp site
Indeed.
Thank you very much. Exactly what I wanted the know about the difference between stoves. I was looking at both. I’m in Ontario Canada and winter camp in Algonquin Provincial Park. I am looking to upgrade my space hence needing a bigger stove.
Glad it was helpful! Hope you find what you like.
Wanted the woodland but to fit a standard size log.... Nomad is the way to go. This is the only video this has been addressed in that ive found.
The large woodlander would check that box too. Thanks for watching!
Cool! You got the Nomad Large! We also bought secondary combustion burner (SCB.) It works really well and there is almost no smoke. We haven't yet cut our stove jack hole in our Classic Jack 140 tent. Not sure how the SCB and stove pipe will line up. Maybe you do a video on the Winnerwell SBC..? Keep up the great videos!
Nice! Ya I'm super curious about the secondary combustion chamber. You'll have to let me know if it works with the Classic Jack 140. I might reach out to Winnerwell or Springbar's customer service and ask. 🤔
@@theoutdoorempire last month I did reached out to Winnerwell/Dwell Outdoors. Here was their reply:
"Thanks for getting in touch with us. As far as we know no one has used the Secondary Burner inside one of the Springbar tents. It is likely you will need to order a new Zip-In Stove Jack to get the exit hole in the right place, even with the short pipe adjustment. You can make up a few inches by moving the stove forward or back a few inches but trying to get four inches may be tricky. You may have success not using a short pipe and creating some sort of stand you can get the stove on to make sure it reaches the appropriate height. Please let us know if you have any other questions, thanks!"
@@CraterB Good to know! Thanks for sharing that, super helpful.
I love my woodlander medium stove. Well made and burns for about 4 hours with oak or walnut
Just the type of vid I was looking for. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful thanks for watching!
Great video my man, thank you very much!
My pleasure!
Having had both for awhile now, any major preference between the view and non-view versions? Going to pick up woodlander large but still trying to decide if the windows are worth it
The view is nice for ambiance and illuminates the tent a slight bit more, but there is no material difference in how it performs. I wouldn't miss it.
@@theoutdoorempire perhaps the woodlander view will be more worth it with 2 side windows vs the 1 on the nomad. While at first I was thinking I didn't really care for nicer illumination, it may be worth it considering the time of year that the stove is used gets dark very early and thus you will be in your tent well before going to bed. Winter camping might be better with some nice light from the fire vs sitting in the dark or using a lantern
OMG. The Larry Craig reference. Amazing.
Thank for this very thorough video. Please consider lookingo the camera, it seem like you are looking i to a fold out screen, off center and its hard to concentrate while looking at you. Sorry for the critique
No worries at all and thanks for the feedback! I'm still pretty new to this UA-cam thing, but have been working on that very thing in my more recent videos. Thanks for watching. Cheers!
Great review Man. Very informative. 🤘😎
Glad it was helpful!
Great info! You sold me on the large!
Ya, hard to go wrong with the large unless you're putting it in a small tent.
After having the nomad for a while, what are your thoughts on it vs same size woodlander? I'm planning on setting up long-term for a many months cabin build
Since my Woodlander and Nomad are different sizes, I don't have a perfect answer for you. I like the look and height of the Woodlander for cooking and what not. But I like the extra convenience of the Nomad which has a larger door and is easier to get fuel in and out. Also seems a bit more sensitive to adjusting the dampeners for more or less heat. But those minor things might be addressed by the large Woodlander. I'd definitely go for a large size for a cabin build though.
@@theoutdoorempirethanks brother. Sorry if I missed this in the video but can you confirm if there is a baffle plate inside so the air does not go straight up? I'm emailing winnerwell but not sure if they'll respond before I pull the trigger on a stove
I’ve got a Kodiak 12x12 and I bought the Winnerwell Large Nomad. How do you use the flashing kit when the Kodiak already has a sylicone ring in the stove jack?
You don't necessarily need the flashing kit in that case. I've used other tents with no silicone flashing at all, only the silver silicone/fiberglass fabric with a hole cut in it. You're probably fine with that Kodiak tent stove jack as is
Nice job! Good info...
Glad it was helpful!
I saw a youtube video about a trailer and the guy was cooking with a stove like this.
When i Googled it i came up with. A Chinese knock off of the Nomad made from titanium which weighed in a lot less even with the included toaster oven
Well that is very interesting! I've seen some on Amazon that look pretty decent that I'd like to try.
Hello! Great review! You could have told me, I like to travel in winter at temperatures up to minus 50 by car, and I'm thinking as an insurance option to purchase an oven for the car, in case the car breaks down. It is clear that there are car heating systems, but all this is electronics. Would you recommend such an oven for heating inside the car?
I'd be pretty nervous to run one of these in a car for lack of ventilation.
@@theoutdoorempire thank you for your advice! Sincerely, Kazbek!
I'd do a hundred other things to prepare to stay warm in a broken down car before running a wood stove inside it. Extra clothing, candles, reflective blankets, even a naphtha stove would be safer.
Which will be best for a 16.5’ bell tent?
Large Nomad. depending on where your stove jack is, the taller Woodlander might be tricker to find a spot for.
Any issues with the spark arrestor plugging with creosote being at the end of the pipe? I thought these small stoves were better off with spark screens at the beginning of the pipe so it stays burned off?
No issues for me yet, it's never plugged up. Maybe it would if you're burning softwood for multiple days or weeks but I'm usually only camping for 3 or 4 days and burn more hardwood and it's not an issue.
Wouldn't have a 3 legged stove in my tent. 4 legs are stable and safe. My Nomad makes winter camping actually fun.
It looked in the video like the air intake doors were wide open. Wouldn't it burn slower and last longer if they were mostly closed? We need a lightweight stove and have to get up a little in the night anyway, but don't want to have to do that every two hours all night to add more wood.
They were about half way open when I tested. You can definitely dial them down and stretch the time out a bit more. My best nighttime experience has been with the large size Winnerwell using hardwood at a slow burn and I once got almost 6 hours! I can pretty consistently get 4-5 hours with hardwood.
Long term use of softwoods in small stoves like these will create a terrible creosote situation quickly. Different woods put out different heat levels, and some woods which burn hot, also last a long time. In short the type of wood and the seasoning make a bigger difference than most realize.
I prefer the non-look through version with no glass side walls as they tend to keep the heat longer
I just wish you did a woodlander large instead of a mediam vs nomad large as that would have been a better playing field in which to compare the two as i wanted ro see the size difference to make my decision.
I wanted to compare both size and model and since both models are basically the same volume inside when the same size, and they're made of the same material, I assumed they would burn for roughly the same amount of time if the same size. But that could be wrong.
How many holes in your canvas tent from the sparks?
None so far.
Excellent video.
Glad you liked it!
Do you have an issue with your dog being around the stove in the tent? Worried about my pup sniffing around it. Thank you :)
Not at all, but could just be my pup. He likes to lay near it in winter but he's never sniffed it or gotten too close so it hasn't been an issue. He's also pretty old now so not quite as interested in such things.
Thanks for the epic video man!! but damn makking it hard to decide if I go with a medium or L in my 10x10 kodiak lol. Id rather have a longer burn time but im worried the large is just too much heat when filling it up before trying to sleep what do you think?
Thanks man, glad you liked the video! That's a tough one and I think you'll be good either way. Either one will heat up your tent just fine. I have observed with the large size that, although it can get hotter, it also seems to have greater range and adjustability compared to the medium. So even on a warmer night with my family, I could close the dampers almost all the way and one night I got about 5 hours of burn time at a very comfortable temp (probably in the 50s-low 60s) in a 10x14 tent. You can adjust the dampers on the medium Woodlander too, but it's like the temp is either high or low whereas the large can be fine tuned a bit better. And honestly if you prep your firewood at home and just have enough cut a bit shorter than 16", the medium will probably be great. But I do admit that I prefer the large at this point for most of what I do. Good luck!
👍 Thank you.
My pleasure. Thanks for watching!
I would like to see that work in Canada's eastern arctic on Baffin Island where I live.
Man, I would love to come to visit you on Baffin Island and test it!
TINY BEAR!!❤
Nice info 👍🏻🤙
Thanks for watching!
Does the glass let more heat out of the stove?
I didn't do any kind of objective test for that, so I'm not sure. Anecdotally, I don't notice a difference.
I love the woodland stove, but it looks like it is easier to take the ash out of the Norman stove it looks like the windows are bigger than the nomad stove
I'm not sure I'd say it's easier to get the ash out of one over the other. Same, really. The windows on the Nomad are bigger, but remember, the one in this video is also a Large size "View" model with the extra window on the side. If you get the large Woodlander View it'll be pretty similar, though the window in the door might be a bit smaller. Not sure.
I watched a lot of videos of both stoves, and it looks like the nomad stove has bigger windows on the sides than the woodland and when I was talking about before was the ashes look like it’s harder to get out from the Woodland then it is from the nomad
does anyone carry a fire extinguisher when using a camp stove? i haven't seen a single video that mentions one. am i just being paranoid? and thanks for another great video!
Great question and it's not a bad idea at all. I don't personally keep a fire extinguisher on hand in a hot tent, but I always have water in the tent and a blanket or clothing I could use to smother a potential fire. But now you got me wondering if others do.
@@theoutdoorempire maybe you need to explore all the options and do a review video for us!
i'm thinking of getting one of those small kitchen models. something that's good for flames or grease fires from cooking. i don't see much of a chance of an electrical fire for me. lol.
Could anyone tell me in an "outside situation" only (with no tent) how the larger one compares to something like a medium Solo Stove firepit. Is there a big difference in the heat both can kick out ?
Maybe someone else will weigh in, but I think the stove would be better for cooking and would emit heat a bit more efficiently (as in less wood burned for same amount of heat). But if you're close to an open fire in a Solo firepit, the flames would feel good, though the side of the stove will not heat up and emit heat like the Winnerwell.
Damn that Robbin is pissed😂
😂
Can't tell you how many times I had to mutter, "That's what she said."
"I hate so much about the things that you choose to be." - Michael Scott
Go with Large Nomad get the leg extensions. Oven? Get the folding the pipe oven is very tiny and makes the stove top heavy. Plus don't take the lid plate off the stove to use oven. Tip glue a gasket around the door of Nomad. You can thank me later
I'll thank you in advance! Great tips. I do have a problem with smoke seeping out the door when it's not burning hot or you get damp wood or whatever.
No price comparatif?
Very close to the same price in the same size.
5:29 LOL
What a guy! 😂
Senator wide stance. hahaha
Gotta love that guy.
Your test is flawed, you actually burned more wood with the big stove. So if the equal amount of wood was the gauge you still would have wood to burn with the medium stove when the big stove wold have burned out.
True about wood quantity, but what I wanted to test is "if I stuff this thing with wood before I go to sleep in my tent at night, how long will each stove burn before the fire peters out?"
The result? Larger stoves can hold more wood and can burn longer by a fair margin.
I was sorta hoping the smaller stove would last just as long because, as you say, it should burn more efficiently and therefore consume less wood. But you still have to load it up more frequently to keep it going.
@@theoutdoorempire if you take the wood you burn in the big stove, fill the small stove. There's wood left save wood. Now light both stoves. When the small stove starts to go out , put the wood left over
In. I bet the small stove burns longer with the same wood.
Wide stance! LOL.
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if you buy a small stove, you will not be happy. Buy a larger stove, any quality stove.
I agree, especially between the medium and large sizes. The weights, sizes, and costs are close enough that the large is worth it.
Those are pretty bad burn times - about half of what an efficient stove like the FourDogs stove give. Not impressed.
A company originated and run in quingdao, china. No thank you. It is not a western company but a company started and manufactured in china. I don't like it when a domestic company shipped manufacturing to a country that is against the western world, but sometimes we have to live with that if it goes under the radar. However, this is a 100% chinese company.
Thanks for commenting and for your input! Indeed, Winnerwell stoves come from China and are sold in the US through a US-based distributor. In my experience, I have found them to be high quality portable wood stoves.
Cry about it😂
Cry about the crappy contruction or the money going to genocide? Which should I cry about?@@b.s.6980
The West is done son. 😂
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HELLO,PLEASE,CAN YOU HELP ME? with that big burner,i am from Romania i have two children,LUCA and DOROTHEA We often left with the tent and we would need something like this..Dorothea has diabetses and we have to always suprvise her...i can"t afford to buy someting like theat..if you have the heart to help me would be very happy..May God bless you and yor family..thank you...
Voking vidio eshol
Talk too much eshol👎👎👎🤮🤮
Large vs small that ain't right
Not sure what you mean, but the objective was to compare the two sizes for burn time so folks can determine which size might suit them best. Let me know if there is something else you'd like to see here.
Woodlander Large is the way to go… not medium. So the comparison to the Nomad is not the same to begin with. I think that’s what he meant. The 2.5” to 3.5” pipe will change the burn from the start too. 👍🏻
$440 you got to be kidding me. I'll build one out of a 20 lb.tank. and pay myself the 440.
Sounds like you're in business! Thanks for watching!
I get 4 hours out of my large nomad withnhard woods
Yep I do too now that I've got it dialed in. Even got a bit more than that one night.
I get 5