This is a very thoughtful and thought-provoking documentary. It’s not asking us to choose one way or the other. It tells the story of people who are affected. In the Executioner's Shadow casts a penetrating look at the consequences of the death penalty through three powerful stories - a former state executioner who comes within days of executing an innocent person; a Boston Marathon bombing victim who struggles to decide what justice really means; and the parents of a murder victim who choose to fight for the life of their daughter's killer. As the battle over capital punishment continues, this provocative film challenges viewers to question their deepest beliefs about the meaning of justice. It’s really good.
@@rogerburch69well I doubt you'll get the real version cuz somehow these documentaries are edited and censored where need be so as to not make the executioner or members of the prison look bad in anyway or form. It's the truth. Anyway I am a huge supporter for the death penalty if the person is proven wrongful and committed the said crime. If the person is convicted to death sentence and his case is kinda doubtful and shady I will never support that which means there needs to be more investigation as long as it may take even years or decades the person should never be condemn untill true evidence is shown without a doubt and shadiness. Cuz once a person dies you can never bring them back to life. The country has condemned people wrongfully only to find out after decades that it's thr wrong person but of course they cannot publicize this and keep it under wraps. Something has to be done bout all these cases, all these type of cases should be handle with care and thoroughly.
America is not a civilised country - the country that gave the world Trump. A conman who accelerated federal executions. Trump wanted the execution of the Central Park rapists, however, they were shown to be innocent. Over 4% of inmates are innocent, it is the same on death row.
Sometimes you have to change your principles, that couple thought they were taking the high road by asking for life in prison for the killer but psychopaths like prison because there are so many available victims
What a profound, thought provoking and beautiful piece of documentary making... I was all for the death penalty one time, then.. The older I got, the more reflective I become... Now? Following this.. It really should be abolished completely!! I'm so fortunate to live in a country where executions were abolished years ago... I really do hope this happens across the world and I hope those living in the mist of the death penalty, for whatever reason get the peace they deserve. It's such an ethical minefield and no it's not as simple as living and dying but hearing these families share their stories, pain and redemption is so powerful. Love to you all xx
The Boston Marathon bomber was seen on security camera video purposely placing his bomb behind the 8-year-old boy who was murdered. You have to be one twisted and depraved person to purposely place a bomb behind a child! In my opinion, that's a case that completely justifies the death penalty.
Yeah, it's a polarizing issue that is nicely done. However, I believe there's no one answer that'd satisfy any opposing groups. There are 6 different perspectives. The victims, the victims family, the criminal, the criminal's family, the executioner, and the State. It'd be hard for any one group to absolutely have the same stance
13:05 Before you feel too sorry for Rainey Bethea, he was convicted of breaking into a woman's house, raping and killing her. And "Many thought Bethea was innocent."? He confessed, TWICE, and left his ring at the crime scene.
the sad thing is that people have more sympathies for the convicted murderers than the victims. WWHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMS? DID ANYONE think about how they suffered in their last moments? Sorry I still believe in an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth, if u murder someone in cold bloood, u forfeit ur right to live.
Heard of false confessions, and he could've been told to say that was his ring, cops back then beat black suspects into confessing, there would've been so many to believe him innocent with those details unless there was way more to it. You just watched a guy say he confessed and was innocent, the right always seems to leave all these well known details out.
As well as the fact that the attitude "if you take a life, you deserve to die" is about the level of thought a 6yr old would have. Very good evidence suggests over 30% of confessions are likely to be unreliable due to the tactics police use and the terrible state of the US education system. People think if they ask for a lawyer they will look guilty ffs.
It’s also the appeals system , if you are sentenced to death you are going to appeal and that can take years . I bet the whole thing would be over much more speedily if the prisoner did not appeal it .
"When you can't stand on your principles when it is difficult, then they are not your principles" I disagree with them on saving the life of that guy, but I respect them for it.
I get the philosophy, but it's a legal term. The innocent's conviction for a crime they did not commit leads to their pardon. Unfortunately, in these circumstances, there is no specific legal term.
@blackwhitephantoms626 They should be exonerated. That's the legal term. Being pardoned means you were guilty, but now the state is overlooking that. Exoneration is for those who have never committed a crime. I believe the state just doesn't want to admit they made a mistake in their prosecution.
This was an excellent video. Thought-provoking and effective if your mind is open enough to accept differing opinions and realize that yes or no is not always an easy conclusion.
I don't think cold blooded killers are worth 6 figures of my tax dollars to deny them a life... I think that's absolutely crazy when you have people struggling to heat their homes.
@@Esther-yr1vpit doesn’t. The death penalty costs taxpayers much more than life w/o parole. There’s a lot of conflicting information out there but if you can weed through the nonsense, there are factual studies and comparisons that back up the claim.
If you're so concerned about taxpayer money being wasted, there are much, MUCH bigger issues than a few death row inmates. We're approaching 30 trillion in national debt because of government corruption and decades of wars. ....wars which have led to the deaths of millions. A few murderers on death row are statistically irrelevant when it comes to taxpayer money. Also, the death penalty can be just as expensive (sometimes more) than a life sentence. It's all a moot point. That "taxpayer money" argument is a silly one and I can't understand why so many people repeat it. Just say you believe in the death penalty.. You don't need to make excuses.
I am an ex con completely reformed criminal recovered heroin addict on 9 yr sobriety. I never did horrible things. But I witnessed how corrupt our justice system is
@@FlamingBasketballClub Exactly. They're censoring it in hopes that they can keep it monetized and running ads. Most of the censorship we see on UA-cam is unnecessary and it's just about ad money.
Until they kick down the door to check and kill a soundly sleeping resident who just didn't hear them knock, but responded with a gun to someone breaking their door down. It goes both ways. They didn't do what they could have, but the above scenario is a real life scenario that actually happened, albeit on a warrant service at the wrong house. Cops can't just kick down a door without a warrant or exigent circumstances, and a single call from a neighbor isn't enough to provide either of those, unfortunately. Tragic, terrible, and possibly preventable, but the cops just knocking is pretty standard.
@@stevem3413 The cops can not kick down a door just because the neighbors called and said they heard violence. Imagine that run amok in a HOA, people getting their neighbor's door kicked in by calling 911 and saying they heard fighting? That's not logical and you know it's not.
When I was Corrections, I was on patrol. If an inmate was caught going over or through the fence it was my duty to stop him. It was my duty to protect the public by lethal force if necessary. I remember having to give commands and then rack a round to inmate threatening to climb a fence. I cried all the way home and talked to my Mom. She said, "Blessed are the peace keepers." After that I no longer had an issue with doing my duty of possibly having to take a life. I was ensuring that the public was safe and that no further damage or innocent lives were taken by an escaped inmate. Nor will I have an issue protecting myself should someone try to take my life. An eye for an eye.
I worked in State Corrections. County Corrections. And trained to be a State Trooper. I have had PTSD dreams about Corrections. Prison and Jail work is just an awful job. But I never took the Matthew 5:9 verse as apart of my job. Law enforcement doesn’t entirely bring peace. If anything we bring fear, riots, chaos, and bring out the worst in people by just simply showing up. Plus. Matthew 5:9 was really meant for Christians not cops and there’s not really any proof it was even implying cops. It basically means : “We’re to be makers of peace with our fellow man, as Christ was a maker of peace on the cross”. I believe law enforcement using Matthew 5:9 is a disservice to the Bible itself.
Agreed. Except that last sentence, and sorry for being rough, but that is bs in my opinion. It's just a bs argument, through and through. Nothing about it makes any sense, it's jjust a desire for revenge. And no, it's not justice like that guy in the video said, justice can never, ever, be reached if someone is killed because they can't be brought back to life. What you talked about wasn't death penalty either. They chose to flee and they could simply stop and you wouldn't shoot them. But with death penalty, you can't "choose" not to be killed, nothing you can do against it. The world isn't going to turn into a better place because of it, neither will anyone profit from it, it just ends up with more dead people. It's quite astonishing how the U.S., as advanced as it may be, is so regressive on these topics.
The rape and murder victim's mom has such a beautiful heart, you know she touches me when she tells about her telephonic conversations with the perpetrator's mom, much love from South Africa
I disagree. Forgiveness should be given IF the perpetrator of the crime ASKS/BEGS for forgiveness. That did not happen here. It's called contrition and is all but lacking in our current culture.
@@jeffhatmaker817 God our Father says to forgive as He has forgiven us... what they did was wrong, but they have to ask God for forgiveness... and repent and when they do God will forgive them!!
@@1physics when you forgive someone you’re forgiving for yourself honestly. It has little to do with them and more for your peace! It helps with releasing all anger and any hatred towards that person which allows you to feel free. Speaking from experience only
@joni3503 Except unlike the military or first responders, the statistics show that the "service" is not beneficial for the society it's being performed for. The murder rates in death penalty states are higher than that of non death penalty states. So unlike national security or fire protection for example, the utility is questionable and doubtful at best. The threat being eliminated is not really a threat anymore as the offender is never getting out of prison. Unlike what the military and first responders have to deal with
Exposing him as an executioner after being sentenced was a cruel trick. Surely, being an executioner sent to prison is a lot worse than being an ex cop or an ex prison guard going in. Not only is he an ex guard, but he's one of the ones who k*lls them too. That must have been some really hard time to do.
40:55 So shocking... the woman who had her legs blown off thinks justice should be carried out, while the ones who didn't get their legs blown off are wondering if they should post to facebook about how hard they've had it worrying over the bomber's feelings and if they should do a tiktok dance with their non-blown-off legs to post about it.
I'm reading a little sarcasm in this comment. I believe that if you are on the outside of these types of tragedies, you really cant honestly think your opinion matters.. having your legs blown off or not, in a single moment lives were affected for the rest of their life. It's not unreasonable for a victim to feel eye for an eye doesn't make things right... How could you or me really think that our feeling on the subject is the right one??
Don't claim documentary when it's censored! I think it's an absolute disrespect to blur out the reality victims lived! The human experience encompasses all events so what exactly are we afraid to look at? The only way to understand and promote change is with transparency and truth of information and at the top of that is THE VISUAL HUMAN EXPERIENCE!!! ***FYI I am aware of UA-cam's ridiculous content policies***
oh keep your pants on. Seriously. I usually listen to docs as a podcast because I have several to get through and it's just more convenient and I don't miss anything. One could make the opposite argument about the blurs. The information is the same and Im sure you've seen way worse watching a movie or playing a video game. To get faux upset about a blur is imo just getting outraged for the sake of it. And fyi: it's a YT requirement for unrestricted viewing. I'd rather have a blur and feel safe when kids watch this.
Perhaps you never post or understand UA-cam and their policy. A person can't just post info pictures or video of sensitive crimes unless their get the right to do so, especially when putting together a documentary.
I don't understand why they string murder victims families for 25 years like that. They should be asked at trial, and they should be contacted the year the execution is granted and asked if they still feel the same.
@@amandagish5976Since the beginning of the nation, not a single congressman has listened to their constituents unless it would serve their interests. Don’t see that changing anytime soon.
@@AndrewBarsky I didn't say congresspersons were good people, I said that is the path a person has to take to change law. Whether the process works or not is not included in my statement.
The man who build the electrocution equipment @17:22 had a documentary made featuring him. Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter. I had to do a double take when I saw his name on the machine.
What about the prisoners who gets executed that are actually innocent and there were many i recently read of such a case and before his execution he was proven innocent and the US state of Texas refused to let him go they executed him anyway knowing what happened to his home and daughter's was just a terrible accident having evidence infront of you that a man is innocent and ignoring it and still taking his life is inhumane and murder
@almeripieters4330 Perhaps, the prisoners should pay their own legal fees, and provide the required evidence to prove their own innocence once they have already being trialed, and sentenced?! 😂
I think all convicted should be made to work in prison and pay almost all of their paychecks to the victims of thier crimes!! But that would cut into the profits of prisons... who like most everything in America now are corporate, for profit, entities!
They have laws in the US now in some places where if you DUI and take a life and they had children you have to pay them like "child support." Could be pay for others too. I think its a great thing to do. Make them pay. Not sure what areas. I just remember it passed into law not long ago.
@@jillijane9793 I know I think that should change. Pristina could make that happen, but then their pockets wouldn't be lined and they would have to share in thier very profitable enterprises. Almost free labor etc.
I get the whole "eye for an eye" thing. I'm not opposed to it. HOWEVER... No "justice" system is good enough to ensure that there is ZERO risk of convicting the wrong person. To that end, capital punishment is unjustifiable based on risk to the innocent alone.
@@DonnellOkafor_hateslgbtq Considering that in the US more people have been released from death row the last 20 years than actually executed, just that alone already implies statistically how likely it is for someone to have been innocently executed. The fact that the science of DNA evidence has completely matured doesn't prevent the possibility of innocents being executed either, as in some cases a person was convicted on circumstantial evidence, or DNA evidence wasn't heard or ignored.
Courts only care about the color green. Like a conveyer belt, charge up, plea down and pay pay pay. Many many plea even if innocent because they know they don't stand a chance in the system.
Travel outside the us and you'll realize how good our justice system is. Those who dont commit crimes have nothing to worry about No justice system is perfect. Id bet the farm youve never left the us
That Vicky woman is amazing. We need more like her in this world. I've had three friends that were murdered. One, the person walked free. Another was caught and prosecuted. Then one who was one of my best friends, has never been solved.
I'm from Boston Massachusetts born and raised I'll never forget this day I was there I didn't get hurt I was not to far from this but this broke my heart I also knew Krystal she's from Boston she went to school with my ex of 18 yr
I will tell you - as a former inmate (relatively short stay mind - only 10 years) - a life sentence is a slow torturous death...you have to watch your friends, loved ones and EVERYONE you ever knew - live, die and move on. That rips the very SOUL from your body. And thats a pain you have to live with for the rest of your life. Whether you get the chair - or 3 hots and a cot - you're dead either way. Easy to forget that the men and women have serve those sentences day-by-day. Dont be a killer - on the streets or in a robe.....
if an inmate is serving life in prison he will find something in his day to that he looks forward too. He will find something in his day that he gets enjoyment in. Life is a gift. If you take someone’s life why are they entitled to live out theirs and find joys?
28:55 I dont know what Joe did or why he was on death row, but people should acknowledge he also saved a life (or at least helped). That of Earl. i see lots of hate in the comments. But just like Jerry, maybe some need to be wronged by the justice system to understand that on death row and in prison, there is still a good chance to have innocent people. You cannot undo an execution.
A few things. Defense of life, fear, frustration, and revenge to name a few. Feeling like there's no escape would probably be the reason I'd take a life or to save my kids or my dog.
It was interesting to have the executioner's explanation and his take on it. He was very calm and level-headed. He knew the gravity of his job and took it seriously as his job that needed to be carried out without personal feelings. I did see the difference in his take on the job when it switched to lethal injection, having him interact with the inmate closer and for a longer period of time. Interesting unbiased documentary .
The 1st gentleman has been in another doc Ok I’ve seen this one before It’s been reloaded up ( posting time ) Still it reminds us we’re human & that we have Live with our decisions
Look, I'm not for the death penalty. But I think this is a documentary everyone should watch because it's important. There aren't justice killers. There are just people who are ok with doing something that their country has said is ok.
That doesnt mean that he executed 6 innocent people ,that number is based on the total number of executions in the whole country from when they started being done , more innocent people were convicted in the past , it still happens but not nearly as often . All 62 could have been guilty or 2 could have been innocent or 15 could have been innocent .
Hey moron, you think they’re holding onto new evidence through several appeals over decades while on death row? The fact is, everyone on death row will tell you they’re innocent.
Great documentary! But did anyone else notice that the sign for the Boston bombing victims was spelled wrong. It said “we will never FOGOT them” unless that is a Boston saying.
It needs to be quicker from date of sentencing to date of execution. Was 3 weeks on average in the united kingdom unless an appeal of trial was granted. These guys in American jails are doing a life sentence plus death sentence. Be quicker and it's a positive deterrent, but the notoriety these guys get when on death row for decades is ridiculously non deterrent.
It took the police 20 minutes to get to a murder? The man said I heard her screaming for help and then choking noises. They didn't think it was important enough to break in they didn't think it was important enough to hurry to the scene.??? But the next day they want to run up the stairs????? And then there's cop cars surrounding the apartment building for one dead woman? What a bunch of incompetent jokes what an embarrassment. Their job is to protect the public They did not protect and serve! I hope those officers that took 20 minutes to get to that scene closes their eyes every night when they go to sleep and they see her face!
If I were her parents I would be absolutely livid. I would sue the police department and I'm sorry but I couldn't forgive that POS if he killed my daughter. But that's their decision she was not my child. It seems like we're living in a very sick Society if you ask me. I've seen videos of people that were on the verge of death needing help but no one would even go near the person because that meant they would have to put their phone down and stop filming! This generation a lot of them don't check up on their parents. They could be dead for months and they would never know. The neighbor going back to sleep after calling the police? There's no way I would have been able to do that. if I was married or had a boyfriend and after they called 911 I would tell them to go bang on the door at least. And I think every man should have a gun that's just how I feel especially in this day and age I would tell my husband that you're going to go knock on the door while I stay on the phone at least bang on the door & yell I called the police! I guarantee you the police would have came if they thought you had a gun and you're knocking on your neighbor's door to save her life I bet you they would have been there within 2 minutes. Mention the word gun they will lose their ever loved in mind racing there
The parent Vicki is wrong. She does not want her daughters murderer put to death .which is fair enough, but now she advocates to get rid of the death penalty in other states it's wrong because her choice for her murderer is her choice and people respect it but others will want the death penalty so she should respect their choices and not get rid of the death penalty
An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind. Appropriate in Old Testament times, with no prisons. But we’re here thousands of years later. Do we believe in redemption, atonement, forgiveness? Killing is either right or wrong, whether done by the individual or the State.
I’m not ultra religious or anything I grew up Baptist and I coulda swore something was said In the Bible about an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Take a life and you forfeit yours no?!?!?
.....only problem with that is it is a quote from the Old Testament, which, for Christians , has been overcome by the words of Jesus in the New Testament telling us to love our enemies, and do good to those who hate you.
Forgiveness is the discretionary sacrament of those who have been wronged. No one may tell those who choose to forgive that they are not free to do so… Please do not compound the bone deep loss of grieving survivors by casting upon them the “need” to know of or witness the killing of the person(s) who killed beloved human beings. It is not our place to put stones in the palms of tearful survivors…
They want to give the criminals, plenty of time to "repent" even if he didn't afford his victims the time to get right with God, they talk about compassion to the victims but seriously that is merely " lip service "
Even for a day, especially if that victim is a child with no sin. But by the time you have killed . You have no soul . Unless you are a veteran there are people who fight evil. I pray for them , because they have to come to terms with the actions " I'm sure they have moral questions " I wish them peace, but God loves warriors.
Innocent people that have been put to death in America are totally utterly innocent and I would say to those people whom are in favour off the death penalty what would you say to those grieving parents.? Yes you could say oh we are so so sorry but just think for one moment if one of your loved ones whom was totally utterly innocent was executed by the state would sorry be enough off course not.
I am sorry, the Boston bombing thing that was the wrong call to make that little eight-year-old boy that had the bomb placed directly behind him, and it was caught on security camera. He didn’t get to choose whether he lived or died, so why the hell does the bombers get to choose whether
7:48 just remember that whatever pain he felt, couldn’t have been anywhere NEAR what the parents of that 8 year old felt when their kid was killed, simply for being there. Not to mention the 2 others that died, and the 200+ people who were hurt
Most people in the comments with all there angry thoughts Have never contributed half of what The parents of The Schieber half contributed, it’s easy to follow the crowd but hard to stand alone.
This is a very thoughtful and thought-provoking documentary. It’s not asking us to choose one way or the other. It tells the story of people who are affected.
In the Executioner's Shadow casts a penetrating look at the consequences of the death penalty through three powerful stories - a former state executioner who comes within days of executing an innocent person; a Boston Marathon bombing victim who struggles to decide what justice really means; and the parents of a murder victim who choose to fight for the life of their daughter's killer.
As the battle over capital punishment continues, this provocative film challenges viewers to question their deepest beliefs about the meaning of justice.
It’s really good.
Don't censor the documentary. Let us see the whole video uncensored
@@rogerburch69same here
@@rogerburch69well I doubt you'll get the real version cuz somehow these documentaries are edited and censored where need be so as to not make the executioner or members of the prison look bad in anyway or form. It's the truth. Anyway I am a huge supporter for the death penalty if the person is proven wrongful and committed the said crime. If the person is convicted to death sentence and his case is kinda doubtful and shady I will never support that which means there needs to be more investigation as long as it may take even years or decades the person should never be condemn untill true evidence is shown without a doubt and shadiness. Cuz once a person dies you can never bring them back to life.
The country has condemned people wrongfully only to find out after decades that it's thr wrong person but of course they cannot publicize this and keep it under wraps. Something has to be done bout all these cases, all these type of cases should be handle with care and thoroughly.
I'm no Saint. But I sure as heck would not want to be an executioner when it's my time to reach the pearly gates.
America is not a civilised country - the country that gave the world Trump. A conman who accelerated federal executions. Trump wanted the execution of the Central Park rapists, however, they were shown to be innocent. Over 4% of inmates are innocent, it is the same on death row.
“If you can’t stand by your principles when it’s difficult, then they’re not your principles.” That hit me so hard.
Sometimes you have to change your principles, that couple thought they were taking the high road by asking for life in prison for the killer but psychopaths like prison because there are so many available victims
That really struck me too. Food for thought.
What a profound, thought provoking and beautiful piece of documentary making... I was all for the death penalty one time, then.. The older I got, the more reflective I become... Now? Following this.. It really should be abolished completely!! I'm so fortunate to live in a country where executions were abolished years ago... I really do hope this happens across the world and I hope those living in the mist of the death penalty, for whatever reason get the peace they deserve.
It's such an ethical minefield and no it's not as simple as living and dying but hearing these families share their stories, pain and redemption is so powerful.
Love to you all xx
The real crime is Philly police taking 20 minutes to respond to someone being attacked
Here in Melbourne, Australia, in the area I live, they won't even attend assault calls .
Cop response is limited. It's not just Philadelphia. It's everywhere. You can steal a Bentley and not be charged.
Agreed! The cops are always sleeping in a hidden parking lot behind my house.. the irony, nobody to report them too...
Fascinating how we give them all this money and, they don’t do their jobs. 12 is fish.
Add then just leaving😳😳
The Boston Marathon bomber was seen on security camera video purposely placing his bomb behind the 8-year-old boy who was murdered. You have to be one twisted and depraved person to purposely place a bomb behind a child! In my opinion, that's a case that completely justifies the death penalty.
Well Said..
All da Best..
Sad thing is so many said he shouldn’t be sent to death. So many think it’s cheaper to house someone for life rather than death penalty
All you are doing is creating a martyr.
@@davidc3839 Valid point indeed .
@@TheSilmarillian Thank you
This is a very important issue well worth watching. Thanks for uploading it.
Yeah, it's a polarizing issue that is nicely done. However, I believe there's no one answer that'd satisfy any opposing groups. There are 6 different perspectives. The victims, the victims family, the criminal, the criminal's family, the executioner, and the State. It'd be hard for any one group to absolutely have the same stance
Exactly what I was thinking 💭
13:05 Before you feel too sorry for Rainey Bethea, he was convicted of breaking into a woman's house, raping and killing her.
And "Many thought Bethea was innocent."? He confessed, TWICE, and left his ring at the crime scene.
Ya the left always leave that part out.
the sad thing is that people have more sympathies for the convicted murderers than the victims. WWHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMS? DID ANYONE think about how they suffered in their last moments? Sorry I still believe in an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth, if u murder someone in cold bloood, u forfeit ur right to live.
@@lynnchang5080 100% 👍
Heard of false confessions, and he could've been told to say that was his ring, cops back then beat black suspects into confessing, there would've been so many to believe him innocent with those details unless there was way more to it. You just watched a guy say he confessed and was innocent, the right always seems to leave all these well known details out.
The only thing to complain about is the amount of time between the death sentence & death.
As well as the fact that the attitude "if you take a life, you deserve to die" is about the level of thought a 6yr old would have. Very good evidence suggests over 30% of confessions are likely to be unreliable due to the tactics police use and the terrible state of the US education system. People think if they ask for a lawyer they will look guilty ffs.
The lengthy waiting time is needed..to be sure the person is guilty of the crime. DAS are very cunning in getting a conviction by any means!
It’s also the appeals system , if you are sentenced to death you are going to appeal and that can take years . I bet the whole thing would be over much more speedily if the prisoner did not appeal it .
@@suesmith3744definitely true.
@@georgemacdonald206 that’s what the trial is for. once the sentence is given, it should happen.
"When you can't stand on your principles when it is difficult, then they are not your principles"
I disagree with them on saving the life of that guy, but I respect them for it.
why should someone wrongly imprisoned be "pardoned"? you dont pardon an innocent person.
I get the philosophy, but it's a legal term. The innocent's conviction for a crime they did not commit leads to their pardon. Unfortunately, in these circumstances, there is no specific legal term.
@blackwhitephantoms626 They should be exonerated. That's the legal term. Being pardoned means you were guilty, but now the state is overlooking that. Exoneration is for those who have never committed a crime. I believe the state just doesn't want to admit they made a mistake in their prosecution.
Yes, he should be exonerated, not pardoned.
@@pioneercynthia1not always will they use the term exonerated either. They will cover it up with pardon.
Happens all the time
This was an excellent video. Thought-provoking and effective if your mind is open enough to accept differing opinions and realize that yes or no is not always an easy conclusion.
I don't think cold blooded killers are worth 6 figures of my tax dollars to deny them a life... I think that's absolutely crazy when you have people struggling to heat their homes.
It also costs the same to keep them for life in prison
@@Esther-yr1vpit doesn’t. The death penalty costs taxpayers much more than life w/o parole. There’s a lot of conflicting information out there but if you can weed through the nonsense, there are factual studies and comparisons that back up the claim.
If you're so concerned about taxpayer money being wasted, there are much, MUCH bigger issues than a few death row inmates. We're approaching 30 trillion in national debt because of government corruption and decades of wars. ....wars which have led to the deaths of millions.
A few murderers on death row are statistically irrelevant when it comes to taxpayer money. Also, the death penalty can be just as expensive (sometimes more) than a life sentence. It's all a moot point. That "taxpayer money" argument is a silly one and I can't understand why so many people repeat it.
Just say you believe in the death penalty.. You don't need to make excuses.
@@clicheguevara5282 preach 🗣️ 👏
@@clicheguevara5282I don’t see how any of what you said negates anything the other person said. Sounds a bit pretentious as well.
I'll try again and say, This is a very important video well worth watching.......
Why are my comments being removed???
They're not being removed. I see your prior comment. You added "thanks for uploading it" at the end.
@@sirwinstonchurchill2052no it sometimes takes a minute to show up
it is democracy, no probs@@sirwinstonchurchill2052
Your comments are being seen. Chill.
I am an ex con completely reformed criminal recovered heroin addict on 9 yr sobriety. I never did horrible things. But I witnessed how corrupt our justice system is
Good luck to you🍀🍀🍀 keep going
as do we. innocent people dying and the killers get a free ride into retirement.
it’s ridiculous.
First of all, I want to congratulate you on your sobriety!!! 👏 And for turning your life around! And I agree it is very corrupt sadly.
That’s amazing! Be proud of yourself 🙏🏻
Way to go!!! Good luck and best wishes as you pursue victory in addiction!
Why censor some parts of the video?
UA-cam requires it or they will take the video down.
@@missychan63 The documentary was used for educational purposes. That's allowed on UA-cam.
@@FlamingBasketballClub Exactly. They're censoring it in hopes that they can keep it monetized and running ads. Most of the censorship we see on UA-cam is unnecessary and it's just about ad money.
demonetization.
@@jendee1260 UA-cam moderation team knows it's educational.
All the cops did was KNOCK on the DOOR??? Disgraceful.
Until they kick down the door to check and kill a soundly sleeping resident who just didn't hear them knock, but responded with a gun to someone breaking their door down.
It goes both ways. They didn't do what they could have, but the above scenario is a real life scenario that actually happened, albeit on a warrant service at the wrong house. Cops can't just kick down a door without a warrant or exigent circumstances, and a single call from a neighbor isn't enough to provide either of those, unfortunately. Tragic, terrible, and possibly preventable, but the cops just knocking is pretty standard.
Correct, the police should not have left until they confirmed the condition of the person they were called to help.
@@stevem3413 The cops can not kick down a door just because the neighbors called and said they heard violence. Imagine that run amok in a HOA, people getting their neighbor's door kicked in by calling 911 and saying they heard fighting? That's not logical and you know it's not.
@@stevem3413exactly
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When I was Corrections, I was on patrol. If an inmate was caught going over or through the fence it was my duty to stop him. It was my duty to protect the public by lethal force if necessary. I remember having to give commands and then rack a round to inmate threatening to climb a fence. I cried all the way home and talked to my Mom. She said, "Blessed are the peace keepers." After that I no longer had an issue with doing my duty of possibly having to take a life. I was ensuring that the public was safe and that no further damage or innocent lives were taken by an escaped inmate. Nor will I have an issue protecting myself should someone try to take my life. An eye for an eye.
I worked in State Corrections. County Corrections. And trained to be a State Trooper. I have had PTSD dreams about Corrections. Prison and Jail work is just an awful job. But I never took the Matthew 5:9 verse as apart of my job. Law enforcement doesn’t entirely bring peace. If anything we bring fear, riots, chaos, and bring out the worst in people by just simply showing up. Plus. Matthew 5:9 was really meant for Christians not cops and there’s not really any proof it was even implying cops. It basically means : “We’re to be makers of peace with our fellow man, as Christ was a maker of peace on the cross”. I believe law enforcement using Matthew 5:9 is a disservice to the Bible itself.
@@semperparatus3188 Sorry about your PTSD. I hope you're getting the help you need.
Ive worked as a c.o in Raiford Fl for 12 yrs. Women should not be working in male prisons
Bull
Agreed. Except that last sentence, and sorry for being rough, but that is bs in my opinion. It's just a bs argument, through and through. Nothing about it makes any sense, it's jjust a desire for revenge. And no, it's not justice like that guy in the video said, justice can never, ever, be reached if someone is killed because they can't be brought back to life.
What you talked about wasn't death penalty either. They chose to flee and they could simply stop and you wouldn't shoot them. But with death penalty, you can't "choose" not to be killed, nothing you can do against it. The world isn't going to turn into a better place because of it, neither will anyone profit from it, it just ends up with more dead people. It's quite astonishing how the U.S., as advanced as it may be, is so regressive on these topics.
The rape and murder victim's mom has such a beautiful heart, you know she touches me when she tells about her telephonic conversations with the perpetrator's mom, much love from South Africa
A far better human being than I
She must have had the Humility & Grace of Mother Theresa ✝️☦️
@@kingsleyperera9655Mother Theresa was a terrible human being.
Thank you for sharing your video. It's educational & informative. It's superbly remarkable! This is a video worth watching for.
gotta give it to vicky and sil, after all they went through and yet they chose forgiveness, my respects to those parents
I disagree. Forgiveness should be given IF the perpetrator of the crime ASKS/BEGS for forgiveness. That did not happen here. It's called contrition and is all but lacking in our current culture.
Forgiving is no better than not forgiving, but it's no worse. It depends on the person and what they've gone through
@@jeffhatmaker817 God our Father says to forgive as He has forgiven us... what they did was wrong, but they have to ask God for forgiveness... and repent and when they do God will forgive them!!
@@1physics when you forgive someone you’re forgiving for yourself honestly. It has little to do with them and more for your peace! It helps with releasing all anger and any hatred towards that person which allows you to feel free. Speaking from experience only
@@virgorising8123well I still feel anger and it does not take any of the hurt away so that's not true about forgiving at all
I wouldn’t want his job. What a depressing career.
Me neithet
It cannot be good on someone's mental and physical health
This is one of the reasons against the death penalty.
it is a service to the community, just like military service is to protect the country
@joni3503 Except unlike the military or first responders, the statistics show that the "service" is not beneficial for the society it's being performed for. The murder rates in death penalty states are higher than that of non death penalty states. So unlike national security or fire protection for example, the utility is questionable and doubtful at best. The threat being eliminated is not really a threat anymore as the offender is never getting out of prison. Unlike what the military and first responders have to deal with
41:42 the grace and forgiveness this woman has shown is the most amazing thing I’ve ever seen. Truly a remarkable woman.
Thank you for your service
Exposing him as an executioner after being sentenced was a cruel trick. Surely, being an executioner sent to prison is a lot worse than being an ex cop or an ex prison guard going in. Not only is he an ex guard, but he's one of the ones who k*lls them too. That must have been some really hard time to do.
I would not be shocked if he was in protective custody and had no interaction with general
@jonathans6541 even the VP wings aren't safe. He would have to be in segregation permanently. It's crazy really.
40:55 So shocking... the woman who had her legs blown off thinks justice should be carried out, while the ones who didn't get their legs blown off are wondering if they should post to facebook about how hard they've had it worrying over the bomber's feelings and if they should do a tiktok dance with their non-blown-off legs to post about it.
Right wing 2+2= 🐠 comment. You have zero understanding of policy.
@@Jachi_Michael Killing people for killing is sick...yes, you.
I'm reading a little sarcasm in this comment. I believe that if you are on the outside of these types of tragedies, you really cant honestly think your opinion matters.. having your legs blown off or not, in a single moment lives were affected for the rest of their life. It's not unreasonable for a victim to feel eye for an eye doesn't make things right... How could you or me really think that our feeling on the subject is the right one??
Don't claim documentary when it's censored! I think it's an absolute disrespect to blur out the reality victims lived! The human experience encompasses all events so what exactly are we afraid to look at? The only way to understand and promote change is with transparency and truth of information and at the top of that is THE VISUAL HUMAN EXPERIENCE!!! ***FYI I am aware of UA-cam's ridiculous content policies***
Maybe look somewhere other than the most "sensored" site to find the uncensored video you are seeking? 🤔
youtube would take it down
oh keep your pants on. Seriously. I usually listen to docs as a podcast because I have several to get through and it's just more convenient and I don't miss anything. One could make the opposite argument about the blurs. The information is the same and Im sure you've seen way worse watching a movie or playing a video game. To get faux upset about a blur is imo just getting outraged for the sake of it. And fyi: it's a YT requirement for unrestricted viewing. I'd rather have a blur and feel safe when kids watch this.
Perhaps you never post or understand UA-cam and their policy. A person can't just post info pictures or video of sensitive crimes unless their get the right to do so, especially when putting together a documentary.
It's blurred for obvious reasons, and the fact you don't understand that shows your arrogance. Also you didn't even spell censored correctly. Lol
This is such a good documentary
A 19 year old mother of three. Good grief.
Probably a nympho
I don't understand why they string murder victims families for 25 years like that. They should be asked at trial, and they should be contacted the year the execution is granted and asked if they still feel the same.
It's not up to them, it's up to the law. Call your congressperson.
@@amandagish5976Since the beginning of the nation, not a single congressman has listened to their constituents unless it would serve their interests. Don’t see that changing anytime soon.
@@AndrewBarsky I didn't say congresspersons were good people, I said that is the path a person has to take to change law. Whether the process works or not is not included in my statement.
The man who build the electrocution equipment @17:22 had a documentary made featuring him. Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter. I had to do a double take when I saw his name on the machine.
Very moving viedo.well done.
One of the best documentaries I’ve seen
The death penalty should never be ended
Only God has that right
What about the prisoners who gets executed that are actually innocent and there were many i recently read of such a case and before his execution he was proven innocent and the US state of Texas refused to let him go they executed him anyway knowing what happened to his home and daughter's was just a terrible accident having evidence infront of you that a man is innocent and ignoring it and still taking his life is inhumane and murder
@@caveman4598 Nope.
@@caveman4598
So you kill people and you want to eat pizza which i work for !
@almeripieters4330 Perhaps, the prisoners should pay their own legal fees, and provide the required evidence to prove their own innocence once they have already being trialed, and sentenced?! 😂
Interesting and eye-opening documentary
Agree.
I think all convicted should be made to work in prison and pay almost all of their paychecks to the victims of thier crimes!!
But that would cut into the profits of prisons... who like most everything in America now are corporate, for profit, entities!
They have laws in the US now in some places where if you DUI and take a life and they had children you have to pay them like "child support." Could be pay for others too. I think its a great thing to do. Make them pay. Not sure what areas. I just remember it passed into law not long ago.
That i agree with. Too much money wasted on them
Unfortunately, most of the people who are ordered to pay victim's families, court fines etc, never pay any of it
@@jillijane9793 I know
I think that should change. Pristina could make that happen, but then their pockets wouldn't be lined and they would have to share in thier very profitable enterprises. Almost free labor etc.
The Philly Police just left when the door was locked, after recieving a call of a woman screaming for help. 🤢 Sad
I get the whole "eye for an eye" thing. I'm not opposed to it.
HOWEVER... No "justice" system is good enough to ensure that there is ZERO risk of convicting the wrong person. To that end, capital punishment is unjustifiable based on risk to the innocent alone.
These documentaries get me through work everyday
I sympathise with the victims that want the death penalty and don't. I just hope I'm personally not in that position
Wonder how many innocents were executed
In the last 20 yrs. 0
@@DonnellOkafor_hateslgbtq How do you really know🤔🤔🤔
@@DonnellOkafor_hateslgbtq Considering that in the US more people have been released from death row the last 20 years than actually executed, just that alone already implies statistically how likely it is for someone to have been innocently executed. The fact that the science of DNA evidence has completely matured doesn't prevent the possibility of innocents being executed either, as in some cases a person was convicted on circumstantial evidence, or DNA evidence wasn't heard or ignored.
@@DonnellOkafor_hateslgbtq Are you an idiot? Just look up Cameron Todd Willingham
Statistically? Not many. Certainly not enough for you to be whining about it on youtube.
The blurred footage throughout is fantastic.....
Shouldn’t have played with yourself so much - didn’t mother say you’ll go blind 😂
@@P2D_x...Touche.
Courts only care about the color green. Like a conveyer belt, charge up, plea down and pay pay pay. Many many plea even if innocent because they know they don't stand a chance in the system.
Travel outside the us and you'll realize how good our justice system is.
Those who dont commit crimes have nothing to worry about
No justice system is perfect.
Id bet the farm youve never left the us
It's crazy to think America will become without death penalty.
It wont
Death Penalty for treason and espionage.
Why are some scenes shaded out ?!
youtube has a new policy about showing types of violence, acts of , and outcomes. it has gotten very strict on what you can show.
I have so much respect for Sister Prejean. I totally agree with her.
Extraordinary documentary!
It really is. Jerry going out of his way to meet Earl all those years later is just wow.
Thank you for sharing
That Vicky woman is amazing. We need more like her in this world. I've had three friends that were murdered. One, the person walked free. Another was caught and prosecuted. Then one who was one of my best friends, has never been solved.
I'm from Boston Massachusetts born and raised I'll never forget this day I was there I didn't get hurt I was not to far from this but this broke my heart I also knew Krystal she's from Boston she went to school with my ex of 18 yr
I will tell you - as a former inmate (relatively short stay mind - only 10 years) - a life sentence is a slow torturous death...you have to watch your friends, loved ones and EVERYONE you ever knew - live, die and move on. That rips the very SOUL from your body. And thats a pain you have to live with for the rest of your life. Whether you get the chair - or 3 hots and a cot - you're dead either way. Easy to forget that the men and women have serve those sentences day-by-day. Dont be a killer - on the streets or in a robe.....
That's why i think life in prison is worse than death.
America has some ridiculously long sentences.
if an inmate is serving life in prison he will find something in his day to that he looks forward too. He will find something in his day that he gets enjoyment in. Life is a gift. If you take someone’s life why are they entitled to live out theirs and find joys?
@@davidc3839 or you could say other countries have ridiculously short sentences
@@jillijane9793 America has 20% of the world's prisoners and yet only 2.5% of the world's population and you call yourself the land of the free.
28:55 I dont know what Joe did or why he was on death row, but people should acknowledge he also saved a life (or at least helped). That of Earl.
i see lots of hate in the comments. But just like Jerry, maybe some need to be wronged by the justice system to understand that on death row and in prison, there is still a good chance to have innocent people. You cannot undo an execution.
I actually just googled Joe's name and he's out on parole.
Ooh, Metal band-name AND title of first release: Death Bringer, "The Executioner's Shadow"!
We have the death penalty and they want it so we use it. That's how I have always seen this.
Good documentary
God bless you and keep you sir.
How come the police was called and came but they still found Shannons dead body the next morning? Police didn’t do their job correctly
What drives a person to kill another person in the first place? What is in their heads? Ive never even had a inkling of going that far
A few things. Defense of life, fear, frustration, and revenge to name a few. Feeling like there's no escape would probably be the reason I'd take a life or to save my kids or my dog.
@@ChRiStY4t5your dog😮 wow!
I'm glad you don't understand it. If you did, that would make you a very different kind of person.
@@harlemrocs2563John wick would like a word with you.....
But yeah, joking aside I would too.
Ask yourself if someone was rapping and killing small children and one was your child what would you want as a parent of a 6 year old let’s say
That's hypothetical and emotionally driven thinking not logical and ethical
It was interesting to have the executioner's explanation and his take on it. He was very calm and level-headed. He knew the gravity of his job and took it seriously as his job that needed to be carried out without personal feelings. I did see the difference in his take on the job when it switched to lethal injection, having him interact with the inmate closer and for a longer period of time. Interesting unbiased documentary .
The 1st gentleman has been in another doc
Ok I’ve seen this one before
It’s been reloaded up ( posting time )
Still it reminds us we’re human & that we have
Live with our decisions
Look, I'm not for the death penalty. But I think this is a documentary everyone should watch because it's important. There aren't justice killers. There are just people who are ok with doing something that their country has said is ok.
So according to the doc, he executed 6 people who were innocent. "for every 10 prisoners 1 is innocent" "he executed 62 people"
That doesnt mean that he executed 6 innocent people ,that number is based on the total number of executions in the whole country from when they started being done , more innocent people were convicted in the past , it still happens but not nearly as often . All 62 could have been guilty or 2 could have been innocent or 15 could have been innocent .
Ten executions per one executioner? Or for all in the US?
Completely nonsense number made up for dramatic effect. Absurd lies.
Statistically yes, it's possible
It is about 1 in 10. That is a verifiable statistic backed by hard data.
Makes u wonder how many innocent people have been murdered by someone just doing their jobs. Sad
Thank you for your comment. I agree.
For a legal entity to not allow new evidence is illogical. How can anyone with common sense keep an innocent person locked up?
Hey moron, you think they’re holding onto new evidence through several appeals over decades while on death row? The fact is, everyone on death row will tell you they’re innocent.
Imagine being innocent on death row
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@@nickviet9274 Yo
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@@nickviet9274 I'm good
Only 1460? Gotta get those numbers up!
Thank you excellent
I've seen this docu few times already on different channel. Very good one.
35:49 That DA should be ashamed of herself. “I don’t care what the victims said” should never be something that comes out of your mouth.
How civilized is a country that still has the death penalty?
Whats that Earl saying? Cant hear a word of english
Rest in peace Jerry givens!
Great documentary! But did anyone else notice that the sign for the Boston bombing victims was spelled wrong. It said “we will never FOGOT them” unless that is a Boston saying.
Eye for an eye, period.
An eye for an eye will only end up making the whole world blind
@@ahopp3629 Only with gangs. With the justice system, not so much. Did executing Ted Bundy make the whole world blind?
@@ahopp3629Says the idiot who's apparently blind to justice.
The death penalty should not be abolished
Eye for an Eye.
Only God had that right and he is watching and listening
Yes it definitely is. But they is no mortals judgment to make. Piggy backing on the bible to justify killing anyone is extremely dangerous.
Makes us all blind
makes the world go blind.
@@davidperry4013doubt it, not everyone murders or commit horrible crimes.
That first lady is a strong and humble woman.
What I don't understand how the inmates have more rights than the victims
Thanks,
It needs to be quicker from date of sentencing to date of execution. Was 3 weeks on average in the united kingdom unless an appeal of trial was granted.
These guys in American jails are doing a life sentence plus death sentence. Be quicker and it's a positive deterrent, but the notoriety these guys get when on death row for decades is ridiculously non deterrent.
From Nepal ..🇳🇵🇳🇵Watching from maldives..
@@sirwinstonchurchill2052seems you care to give a comment, at least
Mite as well just blur the whole dam video..........this is getting ridiculous
A eye for a eye!
RICHARD GLOSSIP in Oklahoma is an ongoing disturbing case.
It took the police 20 minutes to get to a murder? The man said I heard her screaming for help and then choking noises. They didn't think it was important enough to break in they didn't think it was important enough to hurry to the scene.??? But the next day they want to run up the stairs????? And then there's cop cars surrounding the apartment building for one dead woman? What a bunch of incompetent jokes what an embarrassment. Their job is to protect the public They did not protect and serve! I hope those officers that took 20 minutes to get to that scene closes their eyes every night when they go to sleep and they see her face!
just what im thinking as well
And the neighbour just went to sleep after calling the police?
If I were her parents I would be absolutely livid. I would sue the police department and I'm sorry but I couldn't forgive that POS if he killed my daughter. But that's their decision she was not my child. It seems like we're living in a very sick Society if you ask me. I've seen videos of people that were on the verge of death needing help but no one would even go near the person because that meant they would have to put their phone down and stop filming! This generation a lot of them don't check up on their parents. They could be dead for months and they would never know. The neighbor going back to sleep after calling the police? There's no way I would have been able to do that. if I was married or had a boyfriend and after they called 911 I would tell them to go bang on the door at least. And I think every man should have a gun that's just how I feel especially in this day and age I would tell my husband that you're going to go knock on the door while I stay on the phone at least bang on the door & yell I called the police! I guarantee you the police would have came if they thought you had a gun and you're knocking on your neighbor's door to save her life I bet you they would have been there within 2 minutes. Mention the word gun they will lose their ever loved in mind racing there
What is justice is the question at hand? for me idk know but it says vengeance is mine says the lord
The parent Vicki is wrong. She does not want her daughters murderer put to death .which is fair enough, but now she advocates to get rid of the death penalty in other states it's wrong because her choice for her murderer is her choice and people respect it but others will want the death penalty so she should respect their choices and not get rid of the death penalty
Astonishing humans in this documentary. Wisdom far past the system that fails more than it saves or punishes.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind.
Appropriate in Old Testament times, with no prisons. But we’re here thousands of years later. Do we believe in redemption, atonement, forgiveness? Killing is either right or wrong, whether done by the individual or the State.
Forgiveness is the discretionary sacrament of those who have been wronged.
"The police arrived within 20 minutes." And yet we are supposed to wait for them to defend us, rather than being able to defend ourselves.
The police aren’t here to protect you my guy they are only here to protect the rich and the politicians
I’m not ultra religious or anything I grew up Baptist and I coulda swore something was said In the Bible about an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Take a life and you forfeit yours no?!?!?
An eye for an eye makes the world go blind
@@biblereadingmum1239Stop
Yes. It’s in Exodus.
.....only problem with that is it is a quote from the Old Testament, which, for Christians , has been overcome by the words of Jesus in the New Testament telling us to love our enemies, and do good to those who hate you.
I absolutely agree with you 100%.
Justice is a rich mans word
What?
Forgiveness is the discretionary sacrament of those who have been wronged.
No one may tell those who choose to forgive that they are not free to do so…
Please do not compound the bone deep loss of grieving survivors by casting upon them the “need” to know of or witness the killing of the person(s) who killed beloved human beings. It is not our place to put stones in the palms of tearful survivors…
ask the victims love ones & families to get a different point of view.
Not all victim’s families seek or want revenge. Killing someone doesn’t bring back their loved one.
They are in a highented emotional state so they are going to be biased
It's not fair that a Murderer gets to exist when their victims are Dead
They want to give the criminals, plenty of time to "repent" even if he didn't afford his victims the time to get right with God, they talk about compassion to the victims but seriously that is merely " lip service "
Even for a day, especially if that victim is a child with no sin. But by the time you have killed . You have no soul . Unless you are a veteran there are people who fight evil. I pray for them , because they have to come to terms with the actions " I'm sure they have moral questions " I wish them peace, but God loves warriors.
I had to have my cat euthanized. One injection and over in seconds?. An overdose of anaesthesia. Why then do they need three drugs in the USA
Because they are humans.
OMG I can't believe this is even a question lmfao
Innocent people that have been put to death in America are totally utterly innocent and I would say to those people whom are in favour off the death penalty what would you say to those grieving parents.?
Yes you could say oh we are so so sorry but just think for one moment if one of your loved ones whom was totally utterly innocent was executed by the state would sorry be enough off course not.
I am sorry, the Boston bombing thing that was the wrong call to make that little eight-year-old boy that had the bomb placed directly behind him, and it was caught on security camera. He didn’t get to choose whether he lived or died, so why the hell does the bombers get to choose whether
There are a lot Earl Washington's in the system.
7:48 just remember that whatever pain he felt, couldn’t have been anywhere NEAR what the parents of that 8 year old felt when their kid was killed, simply for being there. Not to mention the 2 others that died, and the 200+ people who were hurt
Most people in the comments with all there angry thoughts Have never contributed half of what The parents of The Schieber half contributed, it’s easy to follow the crowd but hard to stand alone.