Thanks for making this Paris! It was a personal project, so it’s fun to see people at least looking at it! For all those I’ve seen with constructive criticism, they’re more than welcome to get started on what they feel is worth their time. Team Lumi knocks it out of the park when it comes to helping people improve this game.
I actually love this so much!!!!!!!!! It does look a little janky, but that’s okay, I never needed it to be perfect, I just wanted something like this and I’m so happy someone made this!
Thanks for the video! I always love to watch these discussions. As someone who has been in this industry for over a decade and og Gen 1 pokefan I wanted to provide a couple of things for context. There really is nothing wrong with the art style of BDSP. It follows a thing call Visual Cohesion really well meaning that everything in the world goes together. It is ok not to like the chibi art style but that is a preference over a technical misstep on the devs part. The world uses the chibi and the battles use full size but both the characters and environment go together in the two instances. It was pretty clear on what the goal was for this game. To create pretty much a more modern version of diamond and pearl (not platinum) version of the game with some changes they felt would be important for people of the current gen. They were successful in this. It did not live up to your expectations but it still was successful. For my personal experience with the game I have no problems. I also wasn't playing pokemon when diamond pearl and platinum came out nor had played them when bdsp came out. I could just enjoy it for what it was, a fun pokemon game. There is no fixing BDSP unless you are talking about bugs and maybe reducing the number of bidoofs that show up in the game, but I hope the modders can make their vision of what they want. Till then you can always hope for a Legends Platinum.
@@Melkac Would love to know what you mean by shit take. Kinda lame to only be able to just post two words. Is my comment a shit take? What about my post is a bad take? I'm not flaming you either just genuinely curious to know your thoughts.
I like having a miniature chibi world and a little character, it’s like that in a lot of Japanese games like Ni No Kuni and some Final Fantasy games. It’s kinda cute.
"Made in Unity" Well, the visual layer. It shares far too many bugs with it's original to be fully remade. Some of these weren't even known yet as of the release of BDSP.
I genuinely want to know how they converted the sourcecode into a unity project so literally when people keep saying it't impossible. It's so straight up that there are beta references still there.
Probably bc it's not a very focused video. The first 2 mins feel more like a review of the game, only covering topics everyone's heard ad nauseum. Then almost 1/4 in he shows the mod that the whole video is supposed to be about. He randomly brings up other mods, then going back to talk about the dechibified mod. It kinda feels like he took an unstructured podcast and slapped some footage over it.
What's the name of the mod? I want to search this up. I haven't seen anything in regards to using normal models in BDSP since I last a saw a video mentioning it 2 years ago.
The way that there arm's move when they run is a little bad that could use some more work i don't know if the chibi's are that bad I honestly like the chibi model but this also is good I think that world need some redesigning for not chibi model
No new features compared to the original Diamond and Pearl?? I can think of a lot of upgrades and features for BDSP. (In no particular order) 1# - More character customization options 2# - "Use another repel?" Prompt 3# - Auto Run with analog stick 4# - No longer requires Pokemon learning HM's, all done through Poketech. #5 - Expanded Underground with new Pokemon added #6 - More legendaries available through Ramanas Park. 7# - Gym leader Rematches once a day. 8# - Auto EXP Share 9# - Pokemon sometimes heal themselves from status conditions 10# - Can walk with any Pokemon at any time Stop listening to people are aren't happy with the game and go enjoy it for yourself.
1. I understand that u like the game but some-in BDSP's case most of them dislike it for valid reasons ofc. Can we blame them? No 2. All these u mentioned are just basic QoL updates & Gym leader rematches, Rotom room & Pt dex before the E4 is just the only Pt features here. 3. Everything else about BDSP ain't good. The same goes for the forced affection, Exp share & the following Pokémon mechanic is the worst in BDSP. They are slow, an obstruction to ur path, cannot be taken indoors,Underground & E4 rooms unlike in HGSS & LGPE which came before it 4. Enjoyment? Sure, it's still a Pokémon game, the formula & gameplay loop is fun. But it's painfully unoriginal with no features that sets it apart apart from "difficulty" which is kinda controversial bcoz of the steepness & even Fan devs implement difficulty in Rom hacks bcoz it's not hard to implement by any means
@e94youtube I can see it from both sides, but expecting the game to be perfect isn't being fair. I still think it's a good game and I know lots of other people would agree. No Pokemon remake is ever perfect, but that's because a remake usually consists of said QoL improvements as well as updating the graphics/engine. Anything else is just people's opinions, the game plays just fine and I even beat it a second time, erasing my first save file.
@@sonicfan653 Expecting the game to be perfect? BDSP isn't even close to being a "decent game" thanks to TPC/N/GF whoever it is for giving ILCA a tight deadline. Btw no game is perfect. But BDSP is just a carbon copy of DP with minor QoL updates. It's overshadowed by Pt( A game that came a decade ago). HGSS, FRLG despite some issues are still the best way to experience Johto & Kanto. Even LGPE the game meant for the GO audience had innovation,good stuff & is rich in features Even ORAS except for 2,3 minor things(At least it did have loads of overhauled stuff that made up for it, yet it was criticised rightfully for some of the mistakes) is the best way to experience Hoenn BDSP is priced like LGPE,PLA & most Switch games @ 60$. But with Artstyle, Cutscenes, Story, Lack of Move tutors, Lack of Gimmicks (Megas/Dmax,Z moves),Lack of E4,Gym upgrades(Visually & internally-the Trainer mons)from Pt, Lack of 2 Poktech buttons like Pt, Lack of Gen 5+ Held items & Lack of Overworld mons "like Base DP" The so-called "New" Dawn/Lucas battle is an improvement though, I gotta agree about that. Surprised u didn't mention it It ends up being worse than Pt & remains to be a failure in terms of reviews bcoz of the time crunch & bad decisions ofc bcoz they weren't even planning to make one. Although I'm kinda confident that they have taken the feedback & will improve on it if they make the future remakes. Who knows? Legends which aren't remakes by any means could replace remakes in the upcoming years. It's kinda foolish tbh, Sinnoh deserved a lot better. Unova,Johto Kalos neee remakes too at least for the fairy typing & 3rd Legendary plot/side quest like ORAS
@@e94youtube Even Pokemon Platinum wasn't that much better either (only small QoL improvements which you claim aren't even important), Platinum is also the game that sold the least amount of copies of any Pokemon game. They only changed the Gym order, and gave us a weaker Champion to battle. It still didn't have any real post-game content, except for the Battle frontier which we also got in HGSS, and Emerald (which had a better Battle frontier as well). As for HGSS/FRLG, those games are obviously going to have good remakes, because the original games were so early into Pokemon's existence, it's only natural that remakes would be a lot better (Being based on Gen 3 which is most people's favorite Gen anyway). Not only that, but Gen 1 was completely broken, and Gen 2 lacked a whole lot more as a whole. I'd go even further and say that Gen 4 was the last good Pokemon generation, my favorite being HGSS. BDSP did enough to stay true to the original game, but with the new 3D graphics during battle instead of 2D sprites in the original. I think it's a good game. I wouldn't have expected them to do a whole lot with a Gen 4 remake, because I feel like People hated Gen 4 anyways until Platinum and HGSS came out. ORAS are good examples of remakes for the most part, but still no battle frontier or anything drastic that I couldn't already enjoy in Emerald Version (Which I still go back and play every now and then). At the end of the day, it's all subjective, just because I enjoy the game and you don't, doesn't mean that anyone is wrong. Some people like pineapples on Pizza, some people don't.
@@sonicfan653 1. Pt & DP have loads of differences lol. I just mentioned some of em Weaker champion? BDSP didn't implement the difficulty well btw. The steepness of the difficulty of E4, Champ ruined it. Everyone agreed that this level of difficulty should have been saved for the post-game rematches Difficulty is a debatable topic & also it would be better to give us difficulty modes instead like most other games, but nooo they don't have any incentive to do it & they just want more ppl to get into VGC-The big game with paywalls that's all. No wonder SwSh,SV are too easy & the Exp share is forced. Won't be surprised if Battle Style Switch is forced as well 🤣 2. So are u telling that sales equate to being good games? All 3rd games are worse than base games by that logic. Even USUM is worse than SM & XY>ORAS Sales depend on a lot of factors like the playerbase count at that point of time, multi game benefits, VGC & could be bcoz of the Internet era which we live in unlike back in those days. Moreover recognition takes time when u have good stuff inside, u know the reception of ORAS, Gen 5, USUM, LGPE,SwSh,SV don't u? It takes time 3. I mean sure it is subjective, but we can agree that they should have given us loads of features & content in return if we pay 60$. BDSP simply didn't live up to any of the expectations of the remakes or Pt or LGPE bcoz u know the reason "Time crunch" & lack of planning to make one. They just backtracked & decided to make one at the last minute bcoz of reasons: -->Money ofc -->Doubtful about PLA's success -->Fan's request(Which isn't wrong by any means) 4. If u are a Sinnoh fan, u deserve a lot better. This game is only worth pirating lol🤣. Btw try the modded version-Reilluminated Pt or Luminescent, it's much better & shows what BDSP could have been
Thanks for making this Paris! It was a personal project, so it’s fun to see people at least looking at it!
For all those I’ve seen with constructive criticism, they’re more than welcome to get started on what they feel is worth their time. Team Lumi knocks it out of the park when it comes to helping people improve this game.
Dechibified needs to change the world around it as well imo
they don't look well in the chibi world
I dont want chibi style in remakes anymore
I actually love this so much!!!!!!!!! It does look a little janky, but that’s okay, I never needed it to be perfect, I just wanted something like this and I’m so happy someone made this!
I get the idea behind the chibi design, but this is way better.
Thanks for the video! I always love to watch these discussions. As someone who has been in this industry for over a decade and og Gen 1 pokefan I wanted to provide a couple of things for context. There really is nothing wrong with the art style of BDSP. It follows a thing call Visual Cohesion really well meaning that everything in the world goes together. It is ok not to like the chibi art style but that is a preference over a technical misstep on the devs part. The world uses the chibi and the battles use full size but both the characters and environment go together in the two instances. It was pretty clear on what the goal was for this game. To create pretty much a more modern version of diamond and pearl (not platinum) version of the game with some changes they felt would be important for people of the current gen. They were successful in this. It did not live up to your expectations but it still was successful. For my personal experience with the game I have no problems. I also wasn't playing pokemon when diamond pearl and platinum came out nor had played them when bdsp came out. I could just enjoy it for what it was, a fun pokemon game. There is no fixing BDSP unless you are talking about bugs and maybe reducing the number of bidoofs that show up in the game, but I hope the modders can make their vision of what they want. Till then you can always hope for a Legends Platinum.
Shit take
@@Melkac Would love to know what you mean by shit take. Kinda lame to only be able to just post two words. Is my comment a shit take? What about my post is a bad take? I'm not flaming you either just genuinely curious to know your thoughts.
A mod to battle online without 20min timer
Let's you pick what arena to battle in instead of just the same battle room
Built-in pokemon editor?
I like having a miniature chibi world and a little character, it’s like that in a lot of Japanese games like Ni No Kuni and some Final Fantasy games. It’s kinda cute.
I'm honestly a fan of the chibi style, it's so cute :3
Watch they announce a remastering of DP&P of gen 4
this is not a "clear improvement" this is striaght up ugly. You can't just shove non chibi character models in a chibi overworld.
The animation also looks hella jank.
It was very clearly not cleaned up before being sent out.
not like the chibi world looked any better
Wow almost like I said that in the video lmao
But now the environment look weird 🤦♂️.
Maybe a mod could fix that
then dont use it
>now
it always looked weird
"Made in Unity"
Well, the visual layer. It shares far too many bugs with it's original to be fully remade. Some of these weren't even known yet as of the release of BDSP.
Almost the entire source code is literally copy pasted from Platinum
Then they started snipping content away
I genuinely want to know how they converted the sourcecode into a unity project so literally when people keep saying it't impossible. It's so straight up that there are beta references still there.
this looks worse actually...
yeah it looks a bit weird because the background is chibi scale
it actually looks so bad now idk how people think this is better lol
yeah it doesn't mesh too well with the simplistic style of the overworld. it's still better than those horrendous chibi models though.
@@2changotb also the main problem of BDSP werent the chibis lol
then dont use it
Woah why doesn't this video have more views?
also first lmao someone has to do it
because idiotic haters that arent the target audience found it first
Probably bc it's not a very focused video. The first 2 mins feel more like a review of the game, only covering topics everyone's heard ad nauseum. Then almost 1/4 in he shows the mod that the whole video is supposed to be about. He randomly brings up other mods, then going back to talk about the dechibified mod. It kinda feels like he took an unstructured podcast and slapped some footage over it.
Yeah wasn’t sure how to write it considering the features can be explained in a single sentence.
What's the name of the mod? I want to search this up. I haven't seen anything in regards to using normal models in BDSP since I last a saw a video mentioning it 2 years ago.
Dawn a giant 💀💀💀💀
The way that there arm's move when they run is a little bad that could use some more work i don't know if the chibi's are that bad I honestly like the chibi model but this also is good I think that world need some redesigning for not chibi model
It probably would fit if it was in gen6 style
But this, this is worse.
why is pryce everywhere?
And people still buy the games 😂
pokemon ORAS have better style for remake
No new features compared to the original Diamond and Pearl??
I can think of a lot of upgrades and features for BDSP.
(In no particular order)
1# - More character customization options
2# - "Use another repel?" Prompt
3# - Auto Run with analog stick
4# - No longer requires Pokemon learning HM's, all done through Poketech.
#5 - Expanded Underground with new Pokemon added
#6 - More legendaries available through Ramanas Park.
7# - Gym leader Rematches once a day.
8# - Auto EXP Share
9# - Pokemon sometimes heal themselves from status conditions
10# - Can walk with any Pokemon at any time
Stop listening to people are aren't happy with the game and go enjoy it for yourself.
1. I understand that u like the game but some-in BDSP's case most of them dislike it for valid reasons ofc. Can we blame them? No
2. All these u mentioned are just basic QoL updates & Gym leader rematches, Rotom room & Pt dex before the E4 is just the only Pt features here.
3. Everything else about BDSP ain't good. The same goes for the forced affection, Exp share & the following Pokémon mechanic is the worst in BDSP. They are slow, an obstruction to ur path, cannot be taken indoors,Underground & E4 rooms unlike in HGSS & LGPE which came before it
4. Enjoyment? Sure, it's still a Pokémon game, the formula & gameplay loop is fun. But it's painfully unoriginal with no features that sets it apart apart from "difficulty" which is kinda controversial bcoz of the steepness & even Fan devs implement difficulty in Rom hacks bcoz it's not hard to implement by any means
@e94youtube I can see it from both sides, but expecting the game to be perfect isn't being fair. I still think it's a good game and I know lots of other people would agree. No Pokemon remake is ever perfect, but that's because a remake usually consists of said QoL improvements as well as updating the graphics/engine. Anything else is just people's opinions, the game plays just fine and I even beat it a second time, erasing my first save file.
@@sonicfan653 Expecting the game to be perfect? BDSP isn't even close to being a "decent game" thanks to TPC/N/GF whoever it is for giving ILCA a tight deadline. Btw no game is perfect. But BDSP is just a carbon copy of DP with minor QoL updates. It's overshadowed by Pt( A game that came a decade ago). HGSS, FRLG despite some issues are still the best way to experience Johto & Kanto. Even LGPE the game meant for the GO audience had innovation,good stuff & is rich in features
Even ORAS except for 2,3 minor things(At least it did have loads of overhauled stuff that made up for it, yet it was criticised rightfully for some of the mistakes) is the best way to experience Hoenn
BDSP is priced like LGPE,PLA & most Switch games @ 60$. But with Artstyle, Cutscenes, Story, Lack of Move tutors, Lack of Gimmicks (Megas/Dmax,Z moves),Lack of E4,Gym upgrades(Visually & internally-the Trainer mons)from Pt, Lack of 2 Poktech buttons like Pt, Lack of Gen 5+ Held items & Lack of Overworld mons "like Base DP"
The so-called "New" Dawn/Lucas battle is an improvement though, I gotta agree about that. Surprised u didn't mention it
It ends up being worse than Pt & remains to be a failure in terms of reviews bcoz of the time crunch & bad decisions ofc bcoz they weren't even planning to make one. Although I'm kinda confident that they have taken the feedback & will improve on it if they make the future remakes. Who knows? Legends which aren't remakes by any means could replace remakes in the upcoming years. It's kinda foolish tbh, Sinnoh deserved a lot better. Unova,Johto Kalos neee remakes too at least for the fairy typing & 3rd Legendary plot/side quest like ORAS
@@e94youtube Even Pokemon Platinum wasn't that much better either (only small QoL improvements which you claim aren't even important), Platinum is also the game that sold the least amount of copies of any Pokemon game. They only changed the Gym order, and gave us a weaker Champion to battle. It still didn't have any real post-game content, except for the Battle frontier which we also got in HGSS, and Emerald (which had a better Battle frontier as well).
As for HGSS/FRLG, those games are obviously going to have good remakes, because the original games were so early into Pokemon's existence, it's only natural that remakes would be a lot better (Being based on Gen 3 which is most people's favorite Gen anyway). Not only that, but Gen 1 was completely broken, and Gen 2 lacked a whole lot more as a whole. I'd go even further and say that Gen 4 was the last good Pokemon generation, my favorite being HGSS.
BDSP did enough to stay true to the original game, but with the new 3D graphics during battle instead of 2D sprites in the original. I think it's a good game. I wouldn't have expected them to do a whole lot with a Gen 4 remake, because I feel like People hated Gen 4 anyways until Platinum and HGSS came out.
ORAS are good examples of remakes for the most part, but still no battle frontier or anything drastic that I couldn't already enjoy in Emerald Version (Which I still go back and play every now and then).
At the end of the day, it's all subjective, just because I enjoy the game and you don't, doesn't mean that anyone is wrong. Some people like pineapples on Pizza, some people don't.
@@sonicfan653
1. Pt & DP have loads of differences lol. I just mentioned some of em
Weaker champion? BDSP didn't implement the difficulty well btw. The steepness of the difficulty of E4, Champ ruined it. Everyone agreed that this level of difficulty should have been saved for the post-game rematches
Difficulty is a debatable topic & also it would be better to give us difficulty modes instead like most other games, but nooo they don't have any incentive to do it & they just want more ppl to get into VGC-The big game with paywalls that's all. No wonder SwSh,SV are too easy & the Exp share is forced. Won't be surprised if Battle Style Switch is forced as well 🤣
2. So are u telling that sales equate to being good games? All 3rd games are worse than base games by that logic. Even USUM is worse than SM & XY>ORAS
Sales depend on a lot of factors like the playerbase count at that point of time, multi game benefits, VGC & could be bcoz of the Internet era which we live in unlike back in those days. Moreover recognition takes time when u have good stuff inside, u know the reception of ORAS, Gen 5, USUM, LGPE,SwSh,SV don't u? It takes time
3. I mean sure it is subjective, but we can agree that they should have given us loads of features & content in return if we pay 60$. BDSP simply didn't live up to any of the expectations of the remakes or Pt or LGPE bcoz u know the reason "Time crunch" & lack of planning to make one. They just backtracked & decided to make one at the last minute bcoz of reasons:
-->Money ofc
-->Doubtful about PLA's success
-->Fan's request(Which isn't wrong by any means)
4. If u are a Sinnoh fan, u deserve a lot better. This game is only worth pirating lol🤣. Btw try the modded version-Reilluminated Pt or Luminescent, it's much better & shows what BDSP could have been