I fucking figured it out and it's the simplest shit ever. Rin mentions in her part that there are two wine glasses. Len poisoned himself too but he's still around, meaning the poison works slowly. Len poisoned the man and left him for a while, then Rin stabbed him and left him to bleed out, not knowing about the poison. HOWEVER, there is no way to know what did him in first... The poison or the knife. So, the mystery is unsolvable. Literally. That's the whole point. If you really want a culprit you could just say it's both of them but that kinda defeats the purpose. Only took me like 3 years to figure out lmao.
To whoever reads this, the creator of this song has a UA-cam channel! Her channel is called HINATA Haruhana. She actually remade Nazotoki and Nazokake in 2018/2020. She is not mainly a vocaloid producer (I believe she only made a few songs with vocaloid actually), but she sings her own songs, makes art for most of her videos, and plays the piano for most of them too! In fact, There is a verson of Nazotoki played on the piano and sung by her! She is extremely talented and I recommend checking out her other works! Her music is very soothing.
hey i can’t find her channel, everhthing shows up for Hinata from naruto. could you tell me a full name of one of her videos? thank you for sharing this comment
They haven't really aged, surprisingly. I think a big draw for me all those years ago was the good anime content. The west had a small selection of localized anime back then. So interesting, catchy vocaloid songs were perfect. Back when people called themselves "otakus". But even today, now that we have endless amounts of anime to dive into, these vocaloid songs are still intriguing and a joy to listen to.
harryasmine LizzieShiro , I guess Conan is a likely answer, but since there is no comfirmation that the detective killed them, no one knows how it all ends.
My theory: This other detective they're talking about is the audience, whoever is watching the video via youtube. Each time Len says "it happened before your eyes", he's actually referring to us watching the video. The reason all those people were "destined to die" was because we clicked Play. The people die because of us. In reality, Rin and Len are supposed to die too; they just happened to be the last two 'destined to die'. Rin tries to fulfill that destiny because that's the only way the murderer (us) will be stopped--if everyone in the video dies, then we will be satisfied with the result and move on to another video. However, Len doesn't want Rin to die which is why he tries to pretend to be the murderer in order to scare Rin into running away from us. That way, Rin won't be present when we click Play. Instead, Rin isn't scared off. Their two opposing goals (Rin to finish the video by killing everyone, and Len to save Rin by pretending to be the murderer and prolonging the video until she is safely far away) ends up confusing the watchers. As a result, we end up replaying the video to see if we can get more clues, and each time, we are repeating the murders, killing everyone again. It becomes a neverending cycle. In "The Riddler who Won't Solve Riddles", I guess Rin and Len decide to collaborate and purposely try to confuse the watchers by giving mixed signals so that we end up watching TRWWSR instead of this video. That way, we are 'trapped' in sequel where nobody dies instead of replaying this one and continuing to murder.
In my opinion, I think Len poisoned the man so he could die, but Rin stabbed him with a knife(I don't care what kind of knife it is) before the poison could take effect. After she left, Len saw that he was dead and dumped him in a river, and the blood from the wound got on his arm. Either they both killed the man or Len killed him. That proves the blood on his arm. He only told people he had one arm because he didn't want people to see that he was the culprit. I'm still lost. The song is catchy though. And to all people who are arguing about what kind of knife it was, SEBASTIAN MICHAELIS WILL GIVE YOU THE ANSWER!!!!! GOOD GOD!!!!
they say that the creator of this song has other songs related to this song... they dont have relationship as to the murder but they do with the rin and len relationship..
Here's my two cents on the story. Basically, Len put poison in the man's drink, but before he could die (whether it was before he drank the poison or before the poison could kill him) Rin, who found out about Len's plan, killed him with a knife. Then, every time he tried to kill another person, Rin would beat him to the punch and kill them first, so he disposed of the evidence by throwing their bodies into the ocean, but ended up bloodying his arm in the process because the dead bodies bled out all over him. Now, it's just the two of them. The only way anyone can know who the real killer is, is if one kills the other first (Hence why Rin tries to stab Len and why Len is saying that she needs to hurry before he kills her), or if one accuses the other and the accused stays silent. Neither of them wants the other to be labeled as the true killer, so that's why Len constantly urges Rin to accuse him of being the killer aka 'say my name', and why Rin tries to kill Len with the knife.
Was Rin really planning on killing Len with a butter knife...? I mean, I guess Len always dies, but a butter knife is either really stupid or a really cruel way to kill someone.
I have contemplated about the flash of words near the end when the man says "there are too many factual errors", and noticed that they are factual ERRORS. Since they are errors, we can conclude the following: 1. The crimes that happened in the morning (the poisoning, the drownings) were NOT supposed to be "crimes"; they were all intended to be either intentional suicide, or accident. 2. The detective (Len) is NOT the culprit, supported by the fact that Rin wished to whisper to him "The hideous culprit is not you"; it means that for certain, Len is not the culprit and thus must be the detective who got "involved" in the matters, likely providing false covers for Rin since he still liked her. 3. "The culprit is someone else"-or is he? This is the statement that we make; that we, the detectives who were called to solve this case, are not the culprits. However, there're no evidences what so ever that we are not the culprits; in fact, the very fact that we know EXACTLY what happened and what Rin and Len said makes us even more likely to be the mastermind behind all this, but ironically we do not even consider such possibility. 4. "The other detective"-since we already concluded Len to be the other detective who was "involved", and this is the factual list of ERRORS, we can be certain that Len is not actually a bona-fide detective; instead, he is likely to be either pretnding to be one, so that he can cover Rin, or be a criminal himself who utilized his cover as a detective to help Rin out. And here is the list of facts that we can consider to be true, or at least likely to be true: 1. The man to die first by being poisoned was killed by the knife (the correctly translated lyrics I obtained stated something like "he died not by the poison but by the knife") 2. The five people who drowned were either drunk and went over the sides, or were pushed off by someone while either being already dead or wounded by the knife. 3. The crimes happened in an mansion on an island. 4. We somehow know all this occurrence, including exact words that were said. 5. Len lost his right arm to a fire while saving Rin. 6. Rin and Len loved each other, and Len used to play a piano. 7. They indeed created a story that entraps us; even an old, retiring detective like myself is being intrigued by it! 8. Len knew that Rin would always carry around her knife. 9. Rin is either a serial killer (she was willing to kill Len with a knife, and Len seemed to be providing cover for her), or a paranoid vigilante who wishes to protect oneself from any harm by any means, including preemptive strikes. (Supported when she mentions how Len could protect anyone if he keeps getting himself hurt) 10. The "mysterious man", sitting in front of a desk with a book and a pen, neither has a visible face nor any definite signs to tell of his/her age or gender; I believe that this person represents our inner self, wanting to cause all this havoc and destruction and deaths, refrained by our occupation as detectives.
I finally understand this. Len isn't talking to Rin. Len is talking to us. He is asking who the killer is and wants us to say he is the murderer. He wants to save Rin I think. I don't know. In the sequel it is saying that Rin is the murderer. It can be both, but Len wants all the blame to be put on him.
Shaina Gonzales Right to the throat, you never know how powerful something like that is until you've used it. I mean, I don't use butter knives to kill practice targets...
stab him in the eye. throw them like Sebastian. theres plenty of ways to wield a butter knife. but... i don't think you can stab him in the back Rin... sorry xD
Incredibly Long Theory: The song says that there are multiple culprits, so what if one of them is the creator of the story? They decided the people would be killed, after all. And the watcher can be another "culprit." They/we are probably "the other detective that got dragged into this" because we're trying to solve the mystery. The people were "destined to die" at that specific time because that's when the video's creator planned the death and the viewers started the whole story by pressing play. We, the other detective, are supposed to know who the killer is because the video plays out right in front of us. And when the creator makes Len say, "Say my name," what if they're actually referring to themselves? The last culprit is either Len or Rin; the people right in front of us. The video says that there may be more than one answer to the riddle, and then that the means to confirm this will soon disappear. That means there's a clue in the story, not just with the viewer or the video's creator. Honestly, I think it's both of them (Len and Rin, I mean), because they both have their guilty moments, and Len is symbolized by the wineglass and Rin by the knife, which are shown crossed over each other at the end. Warning: ESSAY ALERT. I feel like Rin committed one or more of the murders, but not all of them. She attempts to kill Len, the detective, so that he won't discover that she's killed some of the victims (That's why at 1:29, she turned her knife and Len's picture got stained with blood.) But she makes one crucial mistake - she's not the only murderer there. Len killed the others. It's also probably how Len got blood on his clothes; I think he also hid his arm to create a new identity for himself. He and Rin were probably from the same family, whom were the murder victims, which is why they're in the family photo together.I think that Len did something wrong and was kicked out of the family, which is why Rin doesn't recognize him at first - he's been gone for awhile. He may have assumed his new one-armed detective identity to get closer to the family as the detective investigating their relatives' murders, except he really just wants to kill them for disowning him all those years ago. He's bitter and revenge-seeking and all that. I think he wanted Rin to confess she killed the other family members to prove that the family was worth killing or something, and that's why he was pressuring her to confess so much at the beginning. But he has a soft spot for her, as they were close when they were younger, so he doesn't want her to know who he really is or that he killed the remaining family members, which is why he says, "I really did not want you to find out," and gives her a chance to run. After she does find out, he still doesn't want her to tell everyone that he killed the family and get him arrested, so he wants Rin to confess as well, thereby proving it wasn't all his fault and making it impossible for her to tell anyone about his crimes without her admitting that she was a murderer, too. He even tries to guilt her into confession by telling her to say that he's the total culprit when she knows she's killed the others. If she won't either say that it's him or herself, he'll kill her and she won't be able to tell anyone anything.
FINALLY, I GET IT!! so Rin is a murderer. Len found the bodies and dispose them. he loves her so much so HE take the blame. "say my name" when the police will arrive, he tells her to pretend to be an innocent victim, and let him take the blame. he even cover in the blood of her victim. Rin loves him, so she cant let him to it. she is going to cut hin and take the blame. but Len knows it, so he kill himself for her sake. Rin is going insane, paranoid. she decides that Len can't be remembered as criminal, so she become a detective, looking for someone else to blame. ANOTHER THEORY Len knows that Rins wants to kill, so he do it for her. he blame himself, while she blames herself. both are the criminals.
... i got that len was asking her who killed them and she tries to kill him because she knows he's the killer. he tells her the killer's in front of her eyes and...yeah. i didn't even go to the 'len wants to protect psycho rin' this time. darn.
Another theory is that the viewer is involved in the murder. If you look at the song again, you can see that Len seems to be directly addressing the audience.
SerabiiBot !!! YES, PERFECT! But why did Len try to take the blame then? What are his "sins"? Eh, maybe his sins are knowing Kuroha & befriending him...
The first mystery of all, why was he alone drinking a wine in his room A wine that was actually poisoned, and thats how he began to met his doom Without a sound, the girl listened clearly to the one-armed detective The girl listened to the detective speaking, in front, continuing The reason was very simple, to why the fate has tied At that somewhere point of time, he was always destined to die Tell me, whos the culprit You know the answer, so do not fret After all, the events happened right before you isnt it Tell me, whos the culprit Even if you shuttened your mouth i will always Tell you the culprit, by finding the way Where this crime is supposedly to play The second mystery of all, why did they fall into the ocean? And was the culprit really the one at ocean who was witnessed for The girl took out the sharp knife, from inside her pocket all this time The detective doesnt realize he continued to tell the story of a crime A fatal mistake that i made, why the plan slips away that day Was no way other than the other detective that dragged in the way Tell me, whos the culprit The detective hits the knife from her hand The girls only last resort had to make it come to this pitiful end Tell me, whos the culprit Come and say the name who you once always knew This all bunch of some useless crimes. Say the name who is in front of you I was truthfully hoping, wishing you would never find it out So i will give you some mercy, so why dont you go and leave quickly Tell me, whos the culprit? There might be more answers than what it was asked But say to confirm this obviously answer, then wouldnt we complete the task Tell me, who's the culprit? Say the name before my thoughts gone astray If you dont hurry up and on your way, then i would have gone to kill you from today Tell me, whos the culprit? You know the answer, so do not fret After all, the events happened right before you, wasnt it? Why dont you say the name To the person who you always once knew To speak the name, and reveal the crime with a truth The persons name whos in front of you!
Dammit! Why can't murder cases in real life be as simple as solving a UA-cam riddle/mystery video? All this mental exertion is shortening my life expectancy...
Yooo! Remember the Fanfic multific based on this? aand the cases were also based on some other songs i believe. The ending of the story was like how the whole story started (SPOILER: i think it was that Rin lost her memory so she went to Len to solve 'who she was', she wasnt his sister, then the end was that she lost her memory again)
I may never remember the name of this song, but I always end up back here, even after years of not hearing it, because the music still bounces around in my noggin from time to time. This will always be one of my favorite Vocaloid songs.
You ever think we're the culprit? I mean really, none of the crimes would have happened if we hadn't started the video....and yet, we're trying to find out who the culprit is, so we're the "other detective" and at the same time, the culprit.
short and sweet. love it. the tune of it was fantastic. Lens voice matched the tune. the use of "say my name backwards three times and ill leave" goes into this with the line "if you dont hurry up my hands will kill you, say my name"
It's been 10 years, but I think something that no one is talking about is the fact that there are polaroids of each house guest at this party. After each death, the polaroid of the dead person gets inked out. At first it's just one man, the one who drank poisoned wine. The next was when the people fell in the ocean. And if you pay attention to the polaroids when they get inked out, it's literally thr polaroid of every remaining guest, except for Rin and Len- meaning one of them is definitively the killer. Otherwise, who else could have done it? All the other house guests are dead by the end of the song.
After listening to this a lot, I just realized there was a second vocaloid backup singer singing in sync with Len. It sounds a bit more noticeable if you listen closely 0:37
Theory time! one of the main ideas of this is “who killed who first?” And it should have been ‘no one’ SINCE,, if you notice there are a lot of clocks in the bg symbolisng something, I think this is symbolizing the time being paused in the video resulting in us not knowning who the killer is who..did the knife or the poison kill him first? UNTIL WE RESUME OR WATCH THE VIDEO! AND AND THATS WHY RIN SAYS “the one fatal mistake in my plan..”, “was the other detective dragged into this.” *WE’RE*THE OTHER DETECTIVE!!
I'm pretty sure Len is the one with the plan; he's the actual culprit and Rin is the detective, thus being the "second detective dragged into it". That's why Len is like cmon say my name I'm the culprit in the last two choruses !
This song/story really reminds me of a book I had to read for English class in the 6th or 7th grade. All of the characters are on a deserted island away from any police or medical help. At the beginning we see a poem/song/rhyme of some sort and 1 by 1 all of the characters start dying like the people in the poem. Poisoned, Shot, Mauled by a Bear (the character who died then was actually crushed by a Bear Statue, but it was still Bear themed), Hung to death, and someone had a Bee/Hornet allergy if I remember correctly. Anyway, one of the most trusted characters was a Judge and at the end we learn he was evil. He forces a woman to hang herself and shoots himself afterward in a way that makes the gun slide across the table. The Judge didn't kill everyone though, just some of the people and the rest killed each other. I don't remember the name of the book, but it was written by a famous women who wrote some great mystery novels. Also the poem at the beginning was racist, but I don't know why our teacher made a point of telling us that.
Has it really been over ten years? Holy shit I feel old. Anyway I miss these kinds of vocaloid songs I don’t know this older sound of the slightly choppy voice banks was just the best, or old kaito songs, people just can’t tune the guy even now….
I remember listening to this song for a week straight, during that week in my theater class we had to make a horror/ghost story and act it out. I showed my fellow partners for the project this song, and they loved the idea of it. It was so much fun to rewrite it into a script and to act it out. :) good memories with this song forever :3
For anyone who's confused about the two arms, he doesn't actually still have both. He really does have one arm. This is, in fact, a fanmade PV and the actual title of the song is "Solving Riddles" ("Nazotoki"). The creator of the PV often names her PVs differently from the original song. This song and its sequel (actual name: "Asking Riddles"/"Nazokake") are based off of a story written by the songs' creator herself, HINATA Haruhana.
Say, let’s make this a real situation. A man poisoned the drinks. But before the poison could kill them, another person killed them. It... really complicats things.
![Story of Evil - Nico Chorus + Gero [ Daughter of Evil - Servant of Evil - Regret Message]](/img/n.gif)
I fucking figured it out and it's the simplest shit ever.
Rin mentions in her part that there are two wine glasses. Len poisoned himself too but he's still around, meaning the poison works slowly. Len poisoned the man and left him for a while, then Rin stabbed him and left him to bleed out, not knowing about the poison. HOWEVER, there is no way to know what did him in first... The poison or the knife. So, the mystery is unsolvable. Literally. That's the whole point. If you really want a culprit you could just say it's both of them but that kinda defeats the purpose.
Only took me like 3 years to figure out lmao.
holy shit, i think you solved it!! :D
That’s such a silly solution and I LOVE IT
But it is both! Len ATTEMPTED but he is still responsible
@@Hatsune-Miku_Fan I said it's technically both lmao
@@minty111 i don't see it only says it defeats the purpose!!
Besides going deep into figuring out the lore, who else thinks the chorus is really catchy?
me!
Very catchy
Supersonic Kitsune that's the point so we can come back and let the story repeat itself
I do :3
Meeeee
Rin: Stay back I have a butter knife!
XD
Damn, i would use that threat tbh
Same.
lol that's cuteXD
***** Yes, it should've been lol.
you're all wrong, it's Junko
Junko Enoshima?
+Zuzanna *Muffled bear laughing*
+She who dwells in the trash Upupupupu~
+Zuzanna WHAT HAS JUNKO ENOSHIMA DONE NOW!? WHO DID SHE TRAP IN ONE OF HER STUPID KILLING GAMES NOW!?
+Zuzanna DESPAIRRRRR
What if all of us listeners are the culprits?
*huge plot twist*
dun dun dunnn
Oh crap they are closing in on me i hope i can take all of them on!!!!!!!!!!!
lol always watch your back they may hide n the shadows!
Well as do i but you oviosly know to much!!!! ( I hope that she wont realise it was me) mwuhahaaaaaa!!!!!
*gasp* your doing an evil laugh that must must mean!!!!........*holds up waffles* your hungry! XD
Why do Rin and Len seem to well fitted for Renaissance England, even though they're speaking Japanese. It just suites them so well.
I know! The Daughter / Servant of Evil fits them just right! It's so weird!
Probably there blonde hair have something to do with it.
...That makes sense...but most 'mothy' songs are based on renaissance era. I think this song is 'mothy'...most are...
Nope...this isn't 'mothy'
OkamiNoNamida cause they're blond unlike the other vocaloids
Presenting...
Clue: The Song
...OH MY GOD...IT IS!!!
Yes!
IT IS OMG
To whoever reads this, the creator of this song has a UA-cam channel! Her channel is called HINATA Haruhana. She actually remade Nazotoki and Nazokake in 2018/2020. She is not mainly a vocaloid producer (I believe she only made a few songs with vocaloid actually), but she sings her own songs, makes art for most of her videos, and plays the piano for most of them too! In fact, There is a verson of Nazotoki played on the piano and sung by her! She is extremely talented and I recommend checking out her other works! Her music is very soothing.
hey i can’t find her channel, everhthing shows up for Hinata from naruto. could you tell me a full name of one of her videos? thank you for sharing this comment
oh nevermind i forgot to type the u, the channel shows up thank u
@@NoraCGVK No prob!
Came back here in 2022. Old vocaloid songs are a gem.
They haven't really aged, surprisingly. I think a big draw for me all those years ago was the good anime content. The west had a small selection of localized anime back then. So interesting, catchy vocaloid songs were perfect. Back when people called themselves "otakus".
But even today, now that we have endless amounts of anime to dive into, these vocaloid songs are still intriguing and a joy to listen to.
This is one of the only somewhat melancholy song where Len doesnt die. Let me put emphasis on that 'one of the only'
Alois, don't do anything to Len. I know you, you dirty little blonde.
Minoko Luka -pouts- I'm hurt
Aw, it's okay, blondie. *pats your head* Your fangirls still love you, Ali. :3
Minoko Luka And I love them
Fangirl in the background: Kya~
Alois Trancy CIEL FOR THE WIN!!!
The butler did it. Case closed.
But the butler's dead...
rogue123987 Kimsuratos said case closed. Time for tacos.
Is that a Kuroshitsuji reference?
Yes now cookie time🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪
kimsuratos well SHOO FANGIRLS!!! >_< SEBESTIANS DID IT! HE KILLED THEM!
Its like Sherlock Holmes, but Japan..
Enigmatic Brownies Detective Conan ?
I doubt that either Conan or Sherlock would kill someone.
harryasmine LizzieShiro , I guess Conan is a likely answer, but since there is no comfirmation that the detective killed them, no one knows how it all ends.
Elementary my dear whatson.
XD Love the reffrence
Komaeda in the first trial be like
Dapper Derpy Pasta HAHHAAH
I QASNT EXPECTING DNAGANRONPA
this is the worst comment i've ever read
@@dezzydream why
@@hithere8319 danganronpa fandom is literally on crack and i miss being part of it
Len: say my name!
Rin: god damn i-
Len: SAY MY NAME!
Rin: *sigh* and his name is John Cena
Len: DO DO DIT DOOO
Thank you, I can now not get this out of my name
😂😂😂
XD
Xddddddd
this cracks me up a year later XD
"silently listening to the one armed detective"
1:45 i'm pretty damn sure he has 2 arms there
hahahaha!I known right?? XD
he is hiding his other arm cuz there's blood on the shoulder part
Thing is though in the one after this it is brought up he did actually lose his arm, so that seems really dumb xD
indeed XD
Armed means he has a weapon. :/
*Sherokku Horumesu.*
Racist just cuz im white (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Cristiana Lieto Oh god... >7
Homocysteine
*Hōmusu
Sounds like Shrek homeless
My theory: This other detective they're talking about is the audience, whoever is watching the video via youtube. Each time Len says "it happened before your eyes", he's actually referring to us watching the video. The reason all those people were "destined to die" was because we clicked Play. The people die because of us. In reality, Rin and Len are supposed to die too; they just happened to be the last two 'destined to die'. Rin tries to fulfill that destiny because that's the only way the murderer (us) will be stopped--if everyone in the video dies, then we will be satisfied with the result and move on to another video. However, Len doesn't want Rin to die which is why he tries to pretend to be the murderer in order to scare Rin into running away from us. That way, Rin won't be present when we click Play. Instead, Rin isn't scared off. Their two opposing goals (Rin to finish the video by killing everyone, and Len to save Rin by pretending to be the murderer and prolonging the video until she is safely far away) ends up confusing the watchers. As a result, we end up replaying the video to see if we can get more clues, and each time, we are repeating the murders, killing everyone again. It becomes a neverending cycle. In "The Riddler who Won't Solve Riddles", I guess Rin and Len decide to collaborate and purposely try to confuse the watchers by giving mixed signals so that we end up watching TRWWSR instead of this video. That way, we are 'trapped' in sequel where nobody dies instead of replaying this one and continuing to murder.
Wow this is smart
THIS WAS THE ONE THEORY I WAS OBSESSED WITH BACK THEN
J. Sun ua so awesome to solve this
Holy shit are you the next sucessor for L?
And when he said that she didn't have much time he meant that the video is going to end soon
“Who’s the culprit? Come on, say the name of the person in front of you! Say my name!”
Dang, Nagito Komaeda from Danganronpa much?
Ghostie Ghost ikr
-i actually found this song from a nagito komaeda video-
I think of chapter 1 of V3 when I listen to this, obviously not spoiling but you know
@@odditycat2716 Please don't mention it, it hurts too much
dang it granpa
i heard this once in a flipnote in 2012 and it’s stayed intact in my head since
YESSSS
Much simpler times …
I also found this song from a flipnote in 2012 XD
In my opinion, I think Len poisoned the man so he could die, but Rin stabbed him with a knife(I don't care what kind of knife it is) before the poison could take effect. After she left, Len saw that he was dead and dumped him in a river, and the blood from the wound got on his arm.
Either they both killed the man or Len killed him. That proves the blood on his arm. He only told people he had one arm because he didn't want people to see that he was the culprit.
I'm still lost. The song is catchy though. And to all people who are arguing about what kind of knife it was, SEBASTIAN MICHAELIS WILL GIVE YOU THE ANSWER!!!!! GOOD GOD!!!!
they say that the creator of this song has other songs related to this song... they dont have relationship as to the murder but they do with the rin and len relationship..
***** I know the second one is 'the riddle solver who won't solve riddles'.
heres the link: vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/Nazotoki/Nazokake
yeah...like i said they only mention the relationship between rin and len in a really dim way...not a lot about this story
XD of course Sebastian will. He is one hell of a butler
Here's my two cents on the story. Basically, Len put poison in the man's drink, but before he could die (whether it was before he drank the poison or before the poison could kill him) Rin, who found out about Len's plan, killed him with a knife. Then, every time he tried to kill another person, Rin would beat him to the punch and kill them first, so he disposed of the evidence by throwing their bodies into the ocean, but ended up bloodying his arm in the process because the dead bodies bled out all over him.
Now, it's just the two of them. The only way anyone can know who the real killer is, is if one kills the other first (Hence why Rin tries to stab Len and why Len is saying that she needs to hurry before he kills her), or if one accuses the other and the accused stays silent. Neither of them wants the other to be labeled as the true killer, so that's why Len constantly urges Rin to accuse him of being the killer aka 'say my name', and why Rin tries to kill Len with the knife.
i miss those old vocaloid medieval/vitorian time themed songs with instruments like the harp
Was Rin really planning on killing Len with a butter knife...? I mean, I guess Len always dies, but a butter knife is either really stupid or a really cruel way to kill someone.
But u see the butter knife is the opening to the souuul
He's always dies?
+Fus Ro Dah He dies in many, many songs. Servant of evil, Prisoner/Paper Plane, Evil Food Eater Conchita, the list goes on.
+lemon kirby
Sebastian from Kuroshitsuji
Rose Galaxy Rin dies more tho
I have contemplated about the flash of words near the end when the man says "there are too many factual errors", and noticed that they are factual ERRORS. Since they are errors, we can conclude the following:
1. The crimes that happened in the morning (the poisoning, the drownings) were NOT supposed to be "crimes"; they were all intended to be either intentional suicide, or accident.
2. The detective (Len) is NOT the culprit, supported by the fact that Rin wished to whisper to him "The hideous culprit is not you"; it means that for certain, Len is not the culprit and thus must be the detective who got "involved" in the matters, likely providing false covers for Rin since he still liked her.
3. "The culprit is someone else"-or is he? This is the statement that we make; that we, the detectives who were called to solve this case, are not the culprits. However, there're no evidences what so ever that we are not the culprits; in fact, the very fact that we know EXACTLY what happened and what Rin and Len said makes us even more likely to be the mastermind behind all this, but ironically we do not even consider such possibility.
4. "The other detective"-since we already concluded Len to be the other detective who was "involved", and this is the factual list of ERRORS, we can be certain that Len is not actually a bona-fide detective; instead, he is likely to be either pretnding to be one, so that he can cover Rin, or be a criminal himself who utilized his cover as a detective to help Rin out.
And here is the list of facts that we can consider to be true, or at least likely to be true:
1. The man to die first by being poisoned was killed by the knife (the correctly translated lyrics I obtained stated something like "he died not by the poison but by the knife")
2. The five people who drowned were either drunk and went over the sides, or were pushed off by someone while either being already dead or wounded by the knife.
3. The crimes happened in an mansion on an island.
4. We somehow know all this occurrence, including exact words that were said.
5. Len lost his right arm to a fire while saving Rin.
6. Rin and Len loved each other, and Len used to play a piano.
7. They indeed created a story that entraps us; even an old, retiring detective like myself is being intrigued by it!
8. Len knew that Rin would always carry around her knife.
9. Rin is either a serial killer (she was willing to kill Len with a knife, and Len seemed to be providing cover for her), or a paranoid vigilante who wishes to protect oneself from any harm by any means, including preemptive strikes. (Supported when she mentions how Len could protect anyone if he keeps getting himself hurt)
10. The "mysterious man", sitting in front of a desk with a book and a pen, neither has a visible face nor any definite signs to tell of his/her age or gender; I believe that this person represents our inner self, wanting to cause all this havoc and destruction and deaths, refrained by our occupation as detectives.
P.S I am DetectiveRackham; I had to borrow this account because mine had errors and it needs to be fixed.
Of course, in the story itself we would be the "mysterious man"; possible suggestion of multiple personality.
He had two arm
Wow u werent lying when ur user said detective
I finally understand this. Len isn't talking to Rin. Len is talking to us. He is asking who the killer is and wants us to say he is the murderer. He wants to save Rin I think. I don't know. In the sequel it is saying that Rin is the murderer. It can be both, but Len wants all the blame to be put on him.
It's in the description..
@@iloveskittyandcats naozakake
Omg throwback to when this was my jam in middle school lol
I'm in college now lol
Saaaaaaame
Hannah Gamer same also love your profile picture
Same
Ah the butter knife. A good weapon choice Rin. Who knew it could be so dangerous?
I know right? Think about how many eyes you can stab someone with!
Shaina Gonzales Right to the throat, you never know how powerful something like that is until you've used it.
I mean, I don't use butter knives to kill practice targets...
Sebastian and Claude from Black Butler use them for bloodshed, so this is further proof of that.
stab him in the eye. throw them like Sebastian. theres plenty of ways to wield a butter knife. but... i don't think you can stab him in the back Rin... sorry xD
If you sharpen it it might work.
When I first read "call my name" at 2:04 I thought it said call my mom XD
XDD
SAME XD
Lol omg even I can't make that mistake XD totally not insulting you
Alright I am the killer but you will never cath me *jumps out of window into sewer*
My name is Chelsy and I love the SEWERS
+Яαzzу Вℓυυє o.o
Omg flipnote hatena
Incredibly Long Theory:
The song says that there are multiple culprits, so what if one of them is the creator of the story? They decided the people would be killed, after all. And the watcher can be another "culprit." They/we are probably "the other detective that got dragged into this" because we're trying to solve the mystery.
The people were "destined to die" at that specific time because that's when the video's creator planned the death and the viewers started the whole story by pressing play. We, the other detective, are supposed to know who the killer is because the video plays out right in front of us. And when the creator makes Len say, "Say my name," what if they're actually referring to themselves?
The last culprit is either Len or Rin; the people right in front of us. The video says that there may be more than one answer to the riddle, and then that the means to confirm this will soon disappear. That means there's a clue in the story, not just with the viewer or the video's creator. Honestly, I think it's both of them (Len and Rin, I mean), because they both have their guilty moments, and Len is symbolized by the wineglass and Rin by the knife, which are shown crossed over each other at the end.
Warning: ESSAY ALERT. I feel like Rin committed one or more of the murders, but not all of them. She attempts to kill Len, the detective, so that he won't discover that she's killed some of the victims (That's why at 1:29, she turned her knife and Len's picture got stained with blood.) But she makes one crucial mistake - she's not the only murderer there. Len killed the others.
It's also probably how Len got blood on his clothes; I think he also hid his arm to create a new identity for himself. He and Rin were probably from the same family, whom were the murder victims, which is why they're in the family photo together.I think that Len did something wrong and was kicked out of the family, which is why Rin doesn't recognize him at first - he's been gone for awhile. He may have assumed his new one-armed detective identity to get closer to the family as the detective investigating their relatives' murders, except he really just wants to kill them for disowning him all those years ago. He's bitter and revenge-seeking and all that.
I think he wanted Rin to confess she killed the other family members to prove that the family was worth killing or something, and that's why he was pressuring her to confess so much at the beginning. But he has a soft spot for her, as they were close when they were younger, so he doesn't want her to know who he really is or that he killed the remaining family members, which is why he says, "I really did not want you to find out," and gives her a chance to run.
After she does find out, he still doesn't want her to tell everyone that he killed the family and get him arrested, so he wants Rin to confess as well, thereby proving it wasn't all his fault and making it impossible for her to tell anyone about his crimes without her admitting that she was a murderer, too. He even tries to guilt her into confession by telling her to say that he's the total culprit when she knows she's killed the others. If she won't either say that it's him or herself, he'll kill her and she won't be able to tell anyone anything.
Umm....
I thought that there are only 4 family members in Len's and Rin's family which are:
The father,the mother,Rin and Len....
Meh
Narissa Azizi assuming that 0:57 is a family picture, then maybe not?
***** More like Adopted Childrens to me...meh...maybe that's why the People we're Killed.
Yes, Rin, a butter knife will help you.
FINALLY, I GET IT!!
so Rin is a murderer. Len found the bodies and dispose them. he loves her so much so HE take the blame.
"say my name" when the police will arrive, he tells her to pretend to be an innocent victim, and let him take the blame. he even cover in the blood of her victim.
Rin loves him, so she cant let him to it. she is going to cut hin and take the blame. but Len knows it, so he kill himself for her sake.
Rin is going insane, paranoid. she decides that Len can't be remembered as criminal, so she become a detective, looking for someone else to blame.
ANOTHER THEORY
Len knows that Rins wants to kill, so he do it for her. he blame himself, while she blames herself. both are the criminals.
Did you listen to Rin's version then?
No because he tells he is going to kill her if she not running away from him then i think he is the murder^_^
... i got that len was asking her who killed them and she tries to kill him because she knows he's the killer. he tells her the killer's in front of her eyes and...yeah. i didn't even go to the 'len wants to protect psycho rin' this time. darn.
Another theory is that the viewer is involved in the murder. If you look at the song again, you can see that Len seems to be directly addressing the audience.
Imagine Toast I agree, and I think the true culprit is the writer of the song and the viewers
It has been 1 million years since I last heard this song and it is still a good one.
Oh my god I haven’t heard this since I first found it on Flipnote Hatena
oh god that is really catchy!
SO DANG CATCHY!
Rin rly thought she could kill someone with a butter knife huh
Okay but this Len is lowkey Kokichi Ouma and you can't deny that
This reminds me of Ace Attorney for a weird reason...
Objection!
It reminds me of Professor Layton actually, lol. Because the culprit is the one who you don't think it is ;w;
Yeah that too.
I LOVE Professor Layton! :D
J Mah i love professor layton too ;u;
I don't have the recent game though...;^;
Len: "Who is the culprit?"
Kuroha: "WELCOME TO THE INSIDE OF MY WOMB!"
It's the exact same pose at 2:23...
omg, yes
KUROHA DID IT
KUROHA KILLED THEM ALL
THAT'S IT. CASE CLOSED. EVERYONE CAN GO HOME NOW.
SerabiiBot !!! YES, PERFECT!
But why did Len try to take the blame then? What are his "sins"?
Eh, maybe his sins are knowing Kuroha & befriending him...
PandoraHearchu Clearly Len is possessed ATM. I mean, he DOES have the red eyes in certain shots =p
Sundae YES
The first mystery of all, why was he alone drinking a wine in his room
A wine that was actually poisoned, and thats how he began to met his doom
Without a sound, the girl listened clearly to the one-armed detective
The girl listened to the detective speaking, in front, continuing
The reason was very simple, to why the fate has tied
At that somewhere point of time, he was always destined to die
Tell me, whos the culprit
You know the answer, so do not fret
After all, the events happened right before you isnt it
Tell me, whos the culprit
Even if you shuttened your mouth i will always
Tell you the culprit, by finding the way
Where this crime is supposedly to play
The second mystery of all, why did they fall into the ocean?
And was the culprit really the one at ocean who was witnessed for
The girl took out the sharp knife, from inside her pocket all this time
The detective doesnt realize
he continued to tell the story of a crime
A fatal mistake that i made, why the plan slips away that day
Was no way other than the other detective that dragged in the way
Tell me, whos the culprit
The detective hits the knife from her hand
The girls only last resort had to make it come to this pitiful end
Tell me, whos the culprit
Come and say the name who you once always knew
This all bunch of some useless crimes. Say the name who is in front of you
I was truthfully hoping, wishing you would never find it out
So i will give you some mercy, so why dont you go and leave quickly
Tell me, whos the culprit?
There might be more answers than what it was asked
But say to confirm this obviously answer, then wouldnt we complete the task
Tell me, who's the culprit?
Say the name before my thoughts gone astray
If you dont hurry up and on your way, then i would have gone to kill you from today
Tell me, whos the culprit?
You know the answer, so do not fret
After all, the events happened right before you, wasnt it?
Why dont you say the name
To the person who you always once knew
To speak the name, and reveal the crime with a truth
The persons name whos in front of you!
Dammit! Why can't murder cases in real life be as simple as solving a UA-cam riddle/mystery video? All this mental exertion is shortening my life expectancy...
Actually, it's much more confusing... just look at the second song, The riddler who won't solve riddles.
Yooo! Remember the Fanfic multific based on this? aand the cases were also based on some other songs i believe. The ending of the story was like how the whole story started (SPOILER: i think it was that Rin lost her memory so she went to Len to solve 'who she was', she wasnt his sister, then the end was that she lost her memory again)
I remember I was kid I can get addicted to a song entirely this is the one I got addicted to
The title could also be “The Person That Can’t do Their Job”
WHY DO ALL THE VICTIMS LOOK LIKE ENGLOIDS THOUGH
CAN WE TALK ABOUT THIS
典明 no
no, i domnt see problem
OLIVER NO.
WAIT THERE'S OLIVER?
I see gumi tho lmao
I see Prima and Big Al
'he was destined to die'
BRILLANT DEDUCTION LEN
p.s. keikaku means plan (points for who gets the reference)
I still remember when this comment section wasn't flooded with Danganronpa people...
good times... good times...
where have those times gone?
I’ve been fangirling over Layton these past few days, is this the reason youtube is recommending me this?
Oh gosh I used to listen to this nonstop. Well, here I am, in 2023, to continue!
coming back after a year of not listening to a bunch of vocaloid songs... QUICK THEORIES FOR THIS AND ITS CONFUSING AS HELL SEQUEL GO!
The fact how nobody knowdays knows about this song is so fucking sad to me :')
Literally been looking for this song since I heard it on Flipnote Studio in 2010. Here it is, on a random Vocaloid playlist. A+++
Rin and len will never go out of style my friend I have loved their mixes and originals till this day 2009 to present
I also first heard this song on flipnote back in the day! Nostalgia overload
Mine was in a Mario speedpaint
This song is decade old classic
I can't believe this song is 10 years old already!
I may never remember the name of this song, but I always end up back here, even after years of not hearing it, because the music still bounces around in my noggin from time to time. This will always be one of my favorite Vocaloid songs.
i MISS when vocaloid tuning sounds like this 😭
Man that "saa hannin wa daare" stuck in my head for days
Giving the fourth wall break a whole new meaning
You ever think we're the culprit? I mean really, none of the crimes would have happened if we hadn't started the video....and yet, we're trying to find out who the culprit is, so we're the "other detective" and at the same time, the culprit.
We can't be the culprit. In Rin's song(The Riddle Solver Who Won't Solve Riddles)she points directly at the screen and says "You are not the culprit".
SukiNyaProductions In that context she s talking to Len.
short and sweet. love it. the tune of it was fantastic. Lens voice matched the tune. the use of "say my name backwards three times and ill leave" goes into this with the line "if you dont hurry up my hands will kill you, say my name"
I love the art style for this CX
Yeah it is preety goodart style
it is
Fun fact: theres a novel loosely based on this
without any translation...
@spiderveins Haruhana sheself said "Just use google page translator", it works but would be better if it had translation...
name?
@@johnur7768 check original version of this song, singed by Hinata herself, - "Hinata Haruhana Nazotoki" in desctiption link on her site and novel
man, I really love the chord progression during the chorus
Everyone in among us be like...
I WAS ABOUT TO SAy-
this was the first vocaloid song i heard, and it was reanimated on flipnote hatena, i cant believe i have liked vocaloid for 10 years
Same !
Caru-Kun: It's always the janitor, guys.
It's us
i thought it was always the butler
The butler was always the janitor.
Len: The first mystery is why he was alone -
Rin: I'm gonna stop you right there
I love this artstyle!!
I really like how his voice goes in sync with the rythm
ayo it’s been like 10 years when this was uploaded but…this is a bop 🤪🤪🤪
underrated
I'm from 2021 and i still love it!
It's been 10 years, but I think something that no one is talking about is the fact that there are polaroids of each house guest at this party. After each death, the polaroid of the dead person gets inked out. At first it's just one man, the one who drank poisoned wine. The next was when the people fell in the ocean. And if you pay attention to the polaroids when they get inked out, it's literally thr polaroid of every remaining guest, except for Rin and Len- meaning one of them is definitively the killer. Otherwise, who else could have done it? All the other house guests are dead by the end of the song.
i just discovered this masterpiece. it's...pure art 🥲❤
new favorite song
After listening to this a lot, I just realized there was a second vocaloid backup singer singing in sync with Len. It sounds a bit more noticeable if you listen closely 0:37
len's voice...
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Theory time! one of the main ideas of this is “who killed who first?” And it should have been ‘no one’ SINCE,, if you notice there are a lot of clocks in the bg symbolisng something, I think this is symbolizing the time being paused in the video resulting in us not knowning who the killer is who..did the knife or the poison kill him first? UNTIL WE RESUME OR WATCH THE VIDEO! AND AND THATS WHY RIN SAYS “the one fatal mistake in my plan..”, “was the other detective dragged into this.” *WE’RE*THE OTHER DETECTIVE!!
I'm pretty sure Len is the one with the plan; he's the actual culprit and Rin is the detective, thus being the "second detective dragged into it". That's why Len is like cmon say my name I'm the culprit in the last two choruses !
This song/story really reminds me of a book I had to read for English class in the 6th or 7th grade.
All of the characters are on a deserted island away from any police or medical help. At the beginning we see a poem/song/rhyme of some sort and 1 by 1 all of the characters start dying like the people in the poem.
Poisoned, Shot, Mauled by a Bear (the character who died then was actually crushed by a Bear Statue, but it was still Bear themed), Hung to death, and someone had a Bee/Hornet allergy if I remember correctly.
Anyway, one of the most trusted characters was a Judge and at the end we learn he was evil. He forces a woman to hang herself and shoots himself afterward in a way that makes the gun slide across the table. The Judge didn't kill everyone though, just some of the people and the rest killed each other.
I don't remember the name of the book, but it was written by a famous women who wrote some great mystery novels. Also the poem at the beginning was racist, but I don't know why our teacher made a point of telling us that.
And Then There Were None, and the poem was Ten Little Indians.
@@DakotaSagePika Yes it was, I just bought it for myself recently. The version we read in school was the novel by Dame Agatha Christie. ☺️
I swear , I need a Saihara and Kaede version of this >///
Sumi M OMG yes I'd love that!
childhood nostalgia... it's been 10 years since I first heard this
Hard to believe this song is 12 years old. I could have sworn I just found it yesterday. 🥲
Super Catchy song xD
Has it really been over ten years? Holy shit I feel old. Anyway I miss these kinds of vocaloid songs I don’t know this older sound of the slightly choppy voice banks was just the best, or old kaito songs, people just can’t tune the guy even now….
Its been 10 years and i never didnt know whos the impostor, rin and len looks sus
I remember listening to this song for a week straight, during that week in my theater class we had to make a horror/ghost story and act it out. I showed my fellow partners for the project this song, and they loved the idea of it. It was so much fun to rewrite it into a script and to act it out. :) good memories with this song forever :3
Yo I saw a recreation of this on Flipnote Hatena! It was spot on!
For anyone who's confused about the two arms, he doesn't actually still have both. He really does have one arm. This is, in fact, a fanmade PV and the actual title of the song is "Solving Riddles" ("Nazotoki"). The creator of the PV often names her PVs differently from the original song.
This song and its sequel (actual name: "Asking Riddles"/"Nazokake") are based off of a story written by the songs' creator herself, HINATA Haruhana.
I agree. Some translations of lyrics were done incorrectly as well, I believe.
Jonathan Ribele
Some of the lines DO sound a little strange.
Welp, Len was the culprit all along.
BUT HOW DID HE MURDER THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE?
I wanted to Dangan Ronpa this shit. :(
Sher-Bear -Sheridan Yeah, I watched this before watching "The Riddle Solver who Won't Solve Riddles".
To this song there is a sequel that explains everything. The riddler who won't solve riddles.
Revenge for all the times Len has died coughcanterelladaughterofevilcough
kaito killed Len in cantarella, out of jealousy
+Laura Shinigami and Len got kill in the servent the of evil
I know I’m a few years late but I’m glad i found this song, len sounds really good here imo.
[I prefer his version to rin’s tbh].
It sounds like he's saying "この僕の名前も" even though I know he's saying "を"
I’ve never heard this song before yet it feels so nostalgic
All these years have passed, and I'm still not sure if Len was the actual culprit or if Rin was the one and covers it up for whatever reason...
Im on a vocaloid binge dont mind me
Say, let’s make this a real situation. A man poisoned the drinks. But before the poison could kill them, another person killed them. It... really complicats things.
when I was in 3rd grade this was the only song I listened to