@@BloggingTheology 10,000 YEARS IS NOT ACCURATE ITS MORE LIKE 300,000 TO 350,000 YEARS AGO. ALLAH SAID GO DOWN WHICH IMPLIES EARTH WAS HERE BEFORE THEY CAME. WHEN THEY CAME, WHO EVER WAS ON EARTH BEFORE ADAM AND EWE (DIFFERENT HUMANOIDS THEY ALL DIED OFF). THEY DIED OFF THEN WE SHOWED UP.
I believe the Islamic paradigm differs from the biblical account. Therefore, I don't see a parallel between his argument and the Islamic discourse. Thank you Paul for the time taken to produce this and all other discussions.
There is a Nature article 'Genetic Adam and Eve did not live too far apart in time' published in 2013 that gives an estimate for genetic Adam and Eve (based on y-chromosome and mitochondria DNA molecular clock estimates) that is about 200,000 years old. Given that we have a few clues about the time period of Adam and Eve, from Hadith: 1. The gigantic size of Adam (though there are different estimates of size based on what unit of measurements were being used, even if we are unsure of the exact size, we can conclude that he was gigantic in size - and not just 8 feet tall) and the existence of human giant nations in the remote past is also mentioned in the hadith and Quran. 2. That Arabia was once a land of green meadows and hills (at the time of Adam) 3. That he (the prophet of Islam, SAW) has arrived at the very end of time and is its first sign, and that if the lifespan of humankind were a full day then he has arrived at sunset just as the last rays of the sun are disappearing. All these point to the vast antiquity of man. If we combine with the 200,000 years estimate of population geneticists and the above it makes more sense to locate humankind in the Pleistocene epoch (2.5 million to 11,700 years ago). During the glacial ages, the Middle east and North Africa were green regions due to difference in global climate and heavy monsoon rains. Also many animals (mammals included) were much larger in size during this epoch so gigantic humans is more feasible. Given that already 1,400 years have passed since the Prophet (SAW) then to say he Adam came a mere 10,000 years ago makes little sense as we are supposed to be living in the twilight of humankind (which may itself span thousands of years yet).
Exactly- djinn had been on earth long before us. There was a big war between angels and djinn on earth too. I think this is significant. I’ve heard that human and djinn would interbreeds but this was abolished at some stage. It’d be interesting to know more on this topic.
@@Afayanl yes me too however I think alot if what this scientist says is waffle. Adam and Eve, we come from them. It’s what the Quran says so it is as it is. Christians are so confused so they try to confuse everyone else with their confusion.
@@woulinx What are you talking about ?! He just related of a muslim tradition. Take in mind that Djinn means essentially what is not carrying any particularity, this is not excatly the meaning of invisible as many muslims think.
One thing has been consistent between Islamic theology and science. Islam has held positions and truths that the vagaries of science has ultimately journeyed to confirm. From space travel, to expansion of the universe, to movements of the planetary creation. Science has disproved itself by revising its knowledge to measure up to the Quran, while Islam through the Quran has proven it can consistently be consistent. Islam and the Quran then, now and in the future is the Criterion. Allahumma 'Alam AlHakeem
12:57 In my opinion, there is a difference between the concept of "human beings" in the context of religious scripture and science. In Islam, human beings are defined by their intellect and heart. Just because someone has a physical body like a human does not necessarily mean they are considered a human in the sense intended by the religious scripture. According to my understanding, ancient humans existed long before Adam walked the Earth. However, I believe they are not the "human beings" referred to in the religious scripture because they acted solely based on instinct. From an Islamic perspective, they cannot be considered as humans but merely as mahluk (creatures). They lack "aql" (intellect), even though they may be physically similar.
@@aaraim their is a possability that in surah baqara when the angels were asking god why he will put another khalifa in dunya that those were other creatures that lacked something Adam had from God's favor. It also raises the question as to why would the angels ask god this question, as if they had just witnessed a similar creation like adam that reaked havoc in the dunya only to watch it again with the new khalifa (mankind). Ultimately only God knows.
@@ashcomics13 In one instance, angels questioned God, stating that human beings only cause corruption. We cannot definitively know what the angels meant by "human beings only cause corruption." It is possible that the humans referred to by the angels are not the same as the humans we are familiar with. In the field of science, human races are divided into several groups, and some of these groups, such as Homo heidelbergensis, Homo rhodesiensis, Homo habilis, Homo erectus, and Homo neanderthalensis, have been known to have become extinct.
@@aaraim What I mean is the Rhodesian, Heidelbergensis, etc. races. I cannot write them in full because it seems that the names of these human races are blocked by UA-cam, as some of them are used as slang or offensive words.
Dear Paul, I love your content, i’ve been a subscriber since your very first videos. I miss your short informative videos , 7-15 minutes. I used to listen to them before going to bed, it’s a bit hard to do so with lengthy ones. I think it’s a good idea to make both, short and long videos. God bless you ❤
@@BloggingTheology No please never compromise on your content quality, this channel is not for entertainment, it is for those who really wants to learn.
can you host Eyad Qunaibi he is also a scientist but he has a different insight on this matter... he is very popular among the arab audience and it might be a chance for english people to know him
He already was invited if I remember well. But if I remember well he was not very happy to share anything, just redirecting to his channel. I'm not an English speaking guy so excuse me if I got it wrong.
@@IK7. He debunks falsehood in claims like the story of 98% of genes in common between men and apes. He is also not a feminist at all. His expertise.looks great, but if you are not Arabic speaker, it's quite difficult to follow his speeches on his channel. And as I said above, from what I understood in the interview he gave here, this doctor won't be very permissive with copyright...
This is really shocking to even think or doubt whether PROPHET Adam Peace be upon Him AND OUR MOTHER EVE ever existed. It is like denying The holy quran And all that Allah SWT the scriptures that HE SWT has send down. This is too much.
What exist first, the name Aadam and Hawwa', or 2 humans ? The Noble Qur'an is dwelled by Signs, Ayat, for whom dedicate to the study, knowing our Rabb.
I have been trying to reconcile evolutionary biology with scripture for a decade now - I have failed so far. I am familiar with Shoaib’s work so look forwarded to this discussion. At the end of the day both Adamic and human exceptionalism can easily be described as special pleading. This talk also rapidly turned into a theological discussion after a brief mention of the so called science. The fact is upto now no one knows. The Quran doesn’t describe Adam as the first humanoid and by the looks of it neither does Bible.
You’d probably benefit from reading my book which explains in more detail both the science and the epistemological basis that shows this isn’t a special pleading.
Interesting.... He also has had interesting discussions with Dr. Craig.... I hope Paul you can do a joint discussion between Dr. Shohaib and himself exploring those difficult questions, differences through perspectives.
And this is why the Middle East has been behind since about the 15th century. Look at how you need Paul, who is a Muslim convert, and Swamidass, a Christian, to ask and answer these questions. Most Muslims today are asleep and content with their ignorance and limited knowledge because they think everything of import was already "revealed" by the 6th century
@@Asad-2166 We are indeed. As Shaykh Abdal-Hakim Murad has said: "The existence of God is proven by existence. The existence of existence is proven by the one for whom it exists."
Our mere existence is definitely not proof of their existence. Our only serious proof is revelation. Biological and archeological evidence just supports the plausiblity of our belief against atheist attacks.
I had the privilege of helping make hardcover copies of this book when I worked at a book bindery. I found the idea of other people already existing at the time of Adam and Eve as a really interesting way to reconcile the conventional evolutionary theory and the text of the Holy Books.
@@thefancasthub6862 where? You can actually have that view without going in opposition of the quran, however, I do not believe the quran supports this view or points to it
One more thing, if you permit Paul, I found an article from 2021 by Ali Safadari (Shi’i author) called “The history of Adam and the case for prehistoric humans in the Quran and Hadith.” One part is worth quoting: ‘Passages of the Quran that relate the creation of Adam (p) and his descent onto Earth (Q2:30, 7:11,20:115) are silent about the existence of humanoids before him. They neither confirm nor negate this matter, leaving the door open for such a possibility. As a result of this, some scholars of exegesis have opined that Q2:30 hints to their creation: And [recall] when your Lord said to the angels, “Indeed, I will make upon the earth a representative authority.” They said, “Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?” Allah said, “Indeed, I know that which you do not know.” They reason that the questions posed by the Angels to Allah (s) demonstrate their foreknowledge and experience with earlier humans who had caused corruption and bloodshed on Earth. Some Sunni thinkers such as Dr Ahmad Showqi Ibrahim[29] and Dr ʿAbd al-Sabur Shahin hold this opinion. The latter argues in his book Abī Adām[30] that we need to distinguish between the term bashar (mankind) and insān (human) in the Quran. He argues that the first is a general term used to refer to all groups of human species that have existed on Earth, whereas the second refers to the generation which stemmed from Adam (p). However, many Sunni scholars of the Quran do not accept this reading.” End quote. Our Sunni scholars also talked of beings called “hinn” and “binn” as talked about by Sheikh Yasir Qadhi, in his history of the prophets, Adam episodes.
@@obaidulhaque7510 stop lying.. he never said he 'doubted' Quran preservation... you are parroting christian missionary talking points... ua-cam.com/video/ToYSR6FA4fc/v-deo.html
His argument wasn't concincing. He needed to find anything to support his notion about life 6000 years ago and other living beings with whom Adam and Eve interbred. Mr. Paul, I believe Prof. Eyad Qunaibi may provide a more reasonable contribution. He has an intensive series about evolution.
Humanity is 6000 years old and fixed since (evolution free) if we concede that humanity is far older and prone to please evolutionists from outside the "garden" ( which supposedly is a place on earth? ). That's not much coinclinging as you say, but I still found it original to ear about this other Christian perspective. I'm not very sure that trying to please atheists is of any good in theology, but I think there is always some good to take into any piece of work done without malevolence.
@@tomasino3572 I don't believe in evolution. It's an absurd idea. We don't have an age for humanity in Islam. It can be one million years or 10000 years. Adam and Eve could have existed one million, 500.000, 300.000 years ago or less. We don't know the exact date, but we do know they didn't evolve from apes. They were created by God himself. There are clear signs and ruins of humans well over 8000 years ago in northern Saudi Arabia and older in other parts of the world.
This has been my realization for a while now: The similitude between humans and apes or human s and other animals is more proof of the fact that they were all created by the same creator!!! It’s like looking at several paintings and determining that they are Picasso paintings because of his distinguishable style!
@@Thetruth-u7l Let me help you.but rename your DP as spanner ... Humans and chimpanzees parted ways 6 million years ago so they say....who was the first human man or woman? ...Truth my arse...rather Spanner
Yesterday I was reading about ancient civilizations and we only have history starting from 10,000 BCE, and oldest Civilizations like Mesapatomian are all within last 10 thousand years. I as a Muslim genuinely believe Adam and Eve were within last 10k years. When we talk about man it's human with intelligence like us.
@@fxorigins6624 but still we can try to deduce from Qur'an and hadiths that Adam was intelligent being and God thought him names of things and we can see from historic record that Civilizations existed in last 10k years. Agriculture, fire were all discovered within that time period. Science says homo Sapiens existed 100k years ago. I doubt human like us with such intelligence took long time to discover Agriculture, fire etc.
After listening to the discussion til the end i have more questions like why wasnt the life span at the time of adam a.s mentioned? Im sure that would have widened the conversation. Also br Paul please consider a live presentation so that the listeners have the opportunity to ask or comment. Just a suggestion, or offering the opportunity for us to send questions in advance? Either way thank you and much appreciated.
in surah baqarah the angels ask god why is he going to put another viceregent in the world, traditional understanding is that the angels were referring to jinnkind as our predecessors, but it could be another species God created/creates. Ultimately only god knows.
This presentation introduced me to the idea that DNA is distinct from genaeology… where you can have ancestors that share no DNA with you. My question is that is Adam in the DNA as well as the gaenology? And is that what persists?
Good question. Well we share in Adam's "DNA" in so much that we have human DNA leading to the human genotype and phenotype... as distinct from other "species."
so if humans are only 6000 years old, then how was it that there were 124,000 prophets? it makes more sense that humans existed way before 6000 years ago.
It’s still possible if there were millions of people and every town or village had their own prophet. Also, some people got more than one prophet at a time. For example, Musa and Haroonor or at the time of Jesus, there were Zakaria and Yahya. But it still makes more sense that humans are closer to 25,000 years old than 6000. Just my opinion 🤷♀️
@@Nidamom They are probably everywhere during one rasul era or between 1 ulul azmi rasul era to another ulul azmi. You have to understand there are rasul and there are nabi. Two types of prophet but different responsibilities. The rasul are the ones given message in their dreams and nabi that follows the existence shariah brought by the ulul azmi rasul, but we are not obligated to know the nabi/rasul other than the 25. Even the jew have nabi named Daniel pbuh which was not in the Quran. Also during the time of Ibrahim pbuh there were Lut pbuh and Ismail pbuh. They all bring the same message as Ibrahim until the time of Musa pbuh.
Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord; They rejoice in the bounty provided by Allah
It is really very simple to understand if we read the Quran without the baggage of traditional tafsirs that are influenced by Judeo-Christian traditions on muslim thinking of past and new. From the days of Kaab Al-Ahbar, muslim traditions have been tainted with confusing ideas that have stifled our purer understanding of the Quran, which is more in accordance with modern science. The only difference between materialistic neo-Darwinian evolution and evolution as expressed in the Quran is due to one main fundamental principle: Is evolution random and accidental or is evolution guided ? The Quran supports the claim of guided evolution throughout the book when it comes to the explanation of how the universe unfolded and how life started on earth and continues to this day. Adam was not created instantaneously or especially differently from the rest of other life creatures. Read the Quran carefully and objectively without the historical traditional interpretations that only fog the meaning and do nothing to clarify it, especially when several opposing interpretations are offered.
One point that is very interesting to note, and hopefully Dr. Swamidass sees this comment. In his simulations for genealogical ancestry, it likely used scientific understanding for average life expectancy and the age range for which humans would have children, throughout history. Obviously these are both functions that vary through time. However, both Christians and Muslims assert that life expectancies were longer for the first generations, such as Noah pbuh being 950 years old, or even Abraham pbuh who was 175 years old. Of course, it isn't nessecarily life expectancy that is important, but rather the age at which children are concieved. I do not know how that information would be assertained from scripture, but then again, I'm not a theologian. If the simulation could be repeated with this theological based function for historical life expectancy, it would be interesting to see how the genealogical ancestry gets pushed back. What would be very interesting is to see if the date would be pushed back to the modern understanding of when the advent of human civilization occured, which is generrally understood as being in mesopotamia, however older structures suggest civilization existed earlie in Turkey, such as Gobekli Tepe, at 12,000 years, and the advent of agriculture is also quoted at this exact same time frame. If the theological understanding of life-expectancy does push this common ancenstry date back to roughly 12,000 years. It would be strong circumstantial evidence of the descendents of Adam, and Adam pbuh himself, being the first "humans" capable of greater reason. Reason and understanding likely taught by God, as God says in the Quran in surah Al Alaq, "Read with the name of your Lord who created everything, created man from a clinging clot. Read, and your Lord is Most Generous, who imparted knowledge by means of the pen, who taught man what he did not know". And since Genesis 5 does indeed suggest that "Human" refers (theologically) to those who are descendents of Adam. When God does describe teaching "man" in surah Al Alaq, this likely refers to Adam's pbuh descendents. Which, if the date is pushed back to 12,000 years, would be remarkably "coincidental" (wink wink*). Although, on second thought, such a process would likely need to push the date back past 12,000, and likely into the range of 13,000-14,000. Because the descendents of Adam, starting with Cain, would need time to migrate through the world and be "taught by the pen", at which point they would advance civilization through the teachings of God. So a date of 13,000-14,000, would lie perfectly with both scripture, and the scientific understanding of human history. *As an added layer of complexity, do the increased life-expectancies of the first descendents of Adam pbuh apply to "people" outside of Eden? Because if not, then there would a lot of chaotic mixing between different life-spans in the model. The long life span of type A (Adamic descendents), and regular life-spans of type B (purely non-Adamic). Once a type A did mix with a type B, the life-span of the offspring would likely be within the life-span of type A, given the children of Cain also lived for a long time despite his wife not being a "human" (theological definition). This would suggest a great deal of wisdom. The longer life-span of Adam pbuh and his descendents would allow for the rapid integration of type A into the rest of "people" (type B). I am not a biologist by trade, but there must be some remnant of this, if it is true. And there must be some way to model the longer lifespans, and likely later conception times, into the simulation, which should likely push the geneological ancestry back, and hopefully back to before the advent of civilization (coincidentally). Also, as a side note, wouldn't image of God likely refer to free-will? The only beings in this universe with free-will are God, jinn, and man. We clearly don't share the actual form of God, because God is formless and trancendent, beyond infinity. We clearly don't pocess the magnitude of His attributes, because His attributes are at the level of Perfection and are Absolute, and ours are neither. It seems sensible the "the image of God" is the soul which carries free-will. "People" outside of Eden didn't have this "free-will". While they had the intelligence of humans, they did not possess free-will, and lived as animals do. Rather it is the descendents of Adam pbuh alone who carry the soul which bears free-will, given to us by God because of our promise made logically prior to time's creation, that we recognized God as God, and that we would obey and worship, for the promise of paradise given through Absolute Mercy.
Like the insight. It can be said that people deal with genetics do not believe in true God . Thus for them there was no Adam and no Eve and man can have no wisdom .
I agree, also note that in Islam it is said there has been 124,000 prophets that came from Adam (pbuh), taking into account if there were at least 10 prophets that came in each generation/century then your looking back 12,400 years before the last prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) AT LEAST, maybe much more! Also, during the time of the children of Adam (pbuh) there were advised to marry the ugly ones with the pretty ones, and the pretty ones with the ugly ones, could this be the integration of homosapians with say neanderthals? There is a documentary about the intermarriage with neanderthals. Something to think about.
@billlyons7024 imagine being insane enough to believe humans were born out of a primordial single-celled organism that was struck by lightning. Oh and this also happening with a universe that was born ex nihilho 🤣🤣🤣🤡. Us learned folk simply don't possess the blind faith required to be atheists. But you low IQ kids continue as you wish. Live your life. I don't get why you kids are obsessed with us and our beliefs.
Interesting discussion. In particular the concept of the people outside the garden. The existence of people outside the garden preceding Adam raises many questions. Certainly completely changes the narrative about Adam and Eve in the traditional understanding that they were the first humans (in a spiritual sense) created by God.
Less than ten minutes in im wondering why the adam and eve scenerio is dated at a mere 10,000 years and on the flip scenerio of evolution it's automatically gone back a million+ years? Is that a fair question?
Br. Paul, the angels asked Allah why He would place a vice regent on earth that would cause bloodshed. It’s plausible there were non Adamic humans before Adam(as) was placed on earth. However, interbreeding between Adamic and non Adamic seems problematic.
Well, Quran 23:12-14 clearly states that Adam was born of a womb. People tend to assume that verse 12 talks about Adam while verse 13 talks about his descendants, although verse 13 clearly uses a masculine singular pronoun referring back to "insān" of verse 12. Just like Jesus, Adam was conceived miraculously (3:59) and was born out of a womb, probably from a previous hominin. Allāhu A'lam. This also ties in well with 2:30 where Allah declares his intention to create a "khalīfah" (successor) on earth. While the similarity between Adam and the previous hominins would be reason and sense of Justice, the difference would be that Adam will be endowed with greater language skills, which will help him wonder about God's creation (and thus glorify God in ways angels could not) and also transmit knowledge/message from generation to generation (thus making Revelation possible).
It's hard to match these two things to be align (Theological pov & Science/theories pov). Just by definition itself, science is an observation of physical and natural while something like most religion scriptures based upon miracles or will of higher power (me as muslim believe in Allah) and considered as supernatural not natural But overall it was a great video! Thanks Paul.
What a fascinating perspective. Jazakallah khair Paul for having such a beautiful channel for the exchange of ideas. Thanks to the good doctor for his time.
I can’t express how much I love your content. Brother Paul, wallahi you helped me expand my knowledge about islam so much. Personally I never had a doubt about Adam and Hawwa but this video helped me explain it better to the non-muslim. jzk ❤️
I wish all brothers to watch the series “The Journey of Certainty” by Dr. Eyad Al-Qunaibi, as it is a scientific and critical series presented in an objective and logical manner. The series dealt with the theory of evolution in detail and dismantled the arguments of evolutionists in a strict logical manner that no sane person disagrees with. And for those who do not know Dr. Eyad Al-Qunaibi Dr. Eyad Al-Qunaibi obtained a Ph.D. from the University of Houston, USA, and won first place. He worked as a teaching assistant there, and has 25 scientific papers published in international scientific journals. He has two patents in the field of molecular pharmacology. “Whoever did not watch the Journey of Certainty series has missed out on a lot.”
Very interesting view. I feel personally the mind of someone working also a lot with simulation and therefore ready to consider non conflictual artefacts arising in the context of the simulation as not necessarily invalid، to the contrary. But I would have 2 issues. Introduction second class citizens from outside the garden does it not revive inherently kind of racism in a quite radical way? And also what about Nuh (as) and the flood event? We see not how it be taken into account in the computation of genes or ancestors or whatever. Otherwise, interesting overall. Thanks for this refreshing presentation.
@@chiararomano1818 We aren't following the religion of the Egyptian civilisation. Unless you've read Yu-Gi-Oh! too much and mixed with current Egypt, which is a muslim majority country. In that case, please review your opinion.
Salām ʿAlaykum Paul, this was a gem of an interview and made me go back and find your interview with Professor Malik. I wonder if you've ever come across Ustadha Fatima Meghji (another colleague of Professor Malik) who teaches the 'Becoming Bani Adam' course from Mizan Institute, which basically goes through evolution through the Shī'ī tradition. I think she'd be awesome to hear on this subject as well (if you're both willing and able ʾinshāʾAllāh)!
@@Jack-qz1lg I know that there is no saints in Islam, I am asking brother Paul because he was christian. I saw some pictures of that saints and because of that I asked him.
I am interested to know more about the 'genetic ghost' phenomenon. I don't know how this hypothesis would link to our commitments from the Quran and Hadith. Regardless, I think belief in One Omnipotent God covers any questions science can pose
Br Paul seemed quiet disinterested and suspicious at times, I think he was turned off by how the Dr was trying very hard to get the scientific data/consensus to fit the biblical narrative.
Sultan-Bin translation of the Quran of Adam-Eve story is the correct story. Quran Chapter 17 verse 60 And [remember, O Muhammad], when We told you, "Indeed, your Lord has enclosed the people [with a cyclic pattern of History]." And We did not make the vision [Al-Isra, your night journey] which We showed you [before] except to be a test [homework] for the people [to uncover its prior cycle in history] in connection with the tree [whose fruit Eve-Adam ate], the accursed [Ibless, who whispered Adam to eat] mentioned in the Quran. And We threaten the people [to uncover night journey of Eve-Adam from Al-Isra of Prophet Muhammad (saw)], but it [the lesson emanating from: Eve-Adam were created on earth, living on earth then Allah took them to heaven like Prophet Muhammad only to send them back with or without honour (clothed or naked) after setting up their status] increases them not except in great transgression. Quran Chapter 20 verse 117: Then We said, “O Adam! This [naivety of yours, 20:115] is an enemy to you and to your wife. So do not let it drive you both out of Paradise so that [O Adam] you experience [a naked (humiliating) return in contrast of a clothed (honoured) return]. Quran Chapter 20 verse 118: “Indeed you will not be hungry nor be naked [herein, that you used to be] therein [on earth before]. Quran Chapter 20 verse 119: and you will not suffer thirst nor from the heat of the Sun [herein that you used to] therein [on earth before]. Quran Chapter 20 verse 120: But Satan whispered to him, saying, “O Adam! Shall I show you the tree of eternity and a kingdom that does not fade away?” Quran Chapter 20 verse 121: And Adam and his wife ate of it, and their nakedness [sense of humiliation] became apparent to them, and they began to fasten over themselves from the leaves [remnant honour] of Paradise. And Adam disobeyed his Lord and erred. Quran Chapter 20 verse 122: Then his Lord chose him and turned to him in forgiveness and guided [him]. Quran Chapter 20 verse 123: [Allah] said, “Descend [naked instead of clothed], both of you, from here together [with Satan] as enemies to each other. Then when guidance comes to you from Me [to realize Quran 2:30], whoever follows My guidance will neither go astray nor experience disgrace [ever]. Quran Chp 7 Verse 20: But Satan whispered to them to show what was hidden from one another of their nakedness [sense of humiliation]. He said, "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree except that you become angels or become of the immortal." Quran Chp 7 Verse 22: So he made them fall, through deception. And when they tasted of the tree, their nakedness [sense of humiliation] became apparent to them, and they began to fasten together over themselves from the leaves [remnant honour] of Paradise. And their Lord called to them, "Did I not forbid you from that tree and tell you that Satan is to you a clear enemy?" Quran Chp 7 Verse 24: [Allah] said, "Descend [naked instead of clothed, adornment], being to one another enemies. You will find in the earth a residence and provision for your appointed stay [so you won’t suffer again there from the heat of the Sun, hunger, thirst, nakedness]." Quran Chp 7 Verse 26: O children of Adam, We have bestowed upon you clothing [sense of honour] to conceal your nakedness [contrasting the sense of humiliation] and as adornment. But the clothing [honour] of righteousness - that is best. That is from the signs of Allah that perhaps they will remember. Quran Chp 7 Verse 27: O Children of Adam, let not allow Satan to tempt you as [such naivety, 20:117] drove your parents out from paradise stripping of them from their clothing [honour] to show each other their nakedness [humiliation]. He and his tribe watch you from where you cannot see them. We have made satanic forces allies to those who do not believe;
Interesting analysis. In my view human is not a human if he doesn't have a soul. Once a human dies he/she is automatically called a body or (jasasa), i.e. a lifeless body. What I have understood up til now is that God made the souls of everyone of us prior before He created Adam and Eve and when He decided to make Adam He just ordered the soul to enter the body and Adam started to experience everything he sees. Adam leaned the names of things (that's what the Quran says) but we see in history that it took many years for the man/human to learn and kindle fire. Obviously he was surviving on earth before he discovered fire but as time passed he became more aware of the things he needed to sustain. May God bless you immensely brother Paul. Sending prayers and much love.
cant people say that there is a possibility that there are people alive today or that there were people alive at some point in history much after Adam and Eve that never interbred with their lineage?
Remember there are hadiths that clarifies that the children of Adam inter married. There were no humans before the creation of Adam. There were creation that look somewhat like humans but did not have the brains and minds of humans.
I think its the difference between Insan and Bashar and those the Angel ask about when Allah created Adam .. and at same time I think he is pinpointing Noah .. anyways this Channel is becoming like the House of Wisdom ❤...
What do you think about the question asked by the angel about the creature that does bloodshed and mischievous on earth, when Allah had the intentions to create Adam. Are they the ones that have become the evolutionists obsession?
Adam in Eve in Islam are clearly two distinct people and clearly in Islam were the first couple on Earth. We don't need to reconcile that with anything.
Hey Mr. Paul , you should have added subtitles options to explain the whole scenario of contents, thanks to you for your constructive discussion & efforts to establish the truth, you are trying to demonstrate the knowledge of truth against whole islam phobic & biased anti religious activities
I say no there is no evidence Adam and Eve existed as literal people, but that doesn't mean the story itself is untrue it's just not historical. The Bible is full of esoteric teachings, and the Jews had tradition of looking through the scriptures to build doctrine based on the esoteric meanings.
Is such a question even important? Are questions as to the allegorical import not more interesting? Should not the ethical and spiritual teachings of such a story be more the focus here?
Its funny when atheists say ppl are only doing things due to the science, as if science doesn't get to refine what it teaches, including how science is itself done
In islamic traditions cain had taken his sister as his wife. Just like abel. According to this tradition Eve used to deliver twins boys and girls. Abel had a twin sister and cain also had a twin sister and aside from these 2 pairs of twins Eve also gave birth to a lot of twins. From them mankind started to grow in population. In islam, one of Allah’s Divine Names is “Al-khallāq”(الخلَّاق) the One who continually creates. So there’s no problem in Islam IF there are other sentient creatures who roams the Earth 🌍 before Adam and Eve… and I personally believe that the Earth will have other sentient beings after the Time of Adam’s Children. After the Day of Judgment… God creates whatever He wants… it is very easy for Him to put new sentient beings on Earth after humans are assigned either to Jannah(paradise) or Jahannam(Hell). Almighty Allah will always be creating new things as it is one of His Divine attributes to be perpetually Creating.
If you read the al Quran there no contradiction...Adam was the first modern human, the most perfect creation and the most advance creation, even angels knew that the are creations before Adam.. I think he obsesess with his hipothesis in science rather the scriptures..
Of course god encourages us to think and do research. The one who proves Quran evidence does not necessarily just muslims. Dr. Shahour research is valid too.
for a while science told us heart doesnt think ! and Quran is wrong refering to verse 7:179 > -- recently science tells us heart can thinks ! Recent work in the relatively new field of neurocardiology has firmly established that the heart is a sensory organ and an information encoding and processing center, with an extensive intrinsic nervous system that’s sufficiently sophisticated to qualify as a heart brain. Its circuitry enables it to learn, remember, and make functional decisions independent of the cranial brain. To everyone’s surprise, the findings have demonstrated that the heart’s intrinsic nervous system is a complex, self-organized system; its neuroplasticity, or ability to reorganize itself by forming new neural connections over both the short and long term, has been well demonstrated ! >>> so whenever science say something which is against Quran u know that they're lying ! ...
The reason you can acknowledge all of evolutionary science is true and have it not conflict with a literal reading of Genesis is because Genesis explains the origin if human life and evolution doesn't. Evolution is about how species change over time and Genesis says nothing about that. Genesis says that a supernatural being piled up some dust, breathed on it, and it magically became an adult human male. If your claim is that that story is a scientifically viable hypothesis, then we are not talking about evolution at all.
Jinns inhabitated Earth before humans. It's not a mystery. It's well know amongst ulama. I get the impression that this guy thinks that the Quran copied the Bible
Ok I have so many questions. Like why Y chromosomes Adam and mitochondria eve have nothing to do with real Adam and Eve? There are many skeletons of modern humans found dating back to more than 6000 years. Why would God choose one couple out of all modern humans 6000 years ago to live in Eden and become the common ancestors of future humans? What makes them special?
I don't this is Islamic, it goes against Quran and Sunnah. (Oh humans We created you from a male and a female ...) Quran 49:13 Hadeeth (All of you are from Adam and Adam is from sand) and (All of you are descendants of Adam, and Adam is from sand)... However, Adam's story may be very old, in Islam it was never defined when it had happened. But many civilizations had passed some of them are much stronger in physical power, stature, power on earth, buildings, wealth,... Most of these (if not all) were arrogant and Allah wiped them out and human life was restarted from a few individuals. This happened many times including that of Noah AS. I think this is supported by the Catastrophic Theory which has some support from the fossil record. If the evolution (hypothesis) had any binding on reality, we will see near infinite number of living types and families in the fossil record (which we don't) also there will be much much more variations in life (which there isn't). How many times have you seen people with wings, gills, complex eyes,... ALL OF THIS IS NON EXISTENT AND NEVER EXISTED. Evolution is just a good hypothesis which was and will never be proven. Its own support is hidden in the assumption of uniformitarianism which NO ONE TELLS YOU ABOUT. This assumption is good to start and to get by and develop science quickly, but it was never been proven to be TRUE.
@thedude9941 read the comment again... then understand the point of the joke in comparing "evolution" with the historical event of the "Bolshevik Revolution."
To be honest, This is the only main topic in which I have doubts about. I have no doubt about Quran to be word of Allah because it has a lot different kinds of evidence. But i had doubt how to fit Adam & eve (hawa) with evolution which I believe is somewhat true. Even though a lot Muslims just make fun of evolution & don't believe it, I couldn't deny few evidences it presents. So, thank you for clearing my doubt. I have a good understanding of biology, it would have been really great if you guys have discussed the scientific research in this video. I look into their website for that. Thank you. Zazakallah. You are doing a great job. May Allah give you a long life so you can enlighten us with all kind knowledge.
Would love there to be a follow up to this one, evolution versus the creation of Man as in the Quran and Bible as well is such an important topic especially for youngsters, where the standard narrative is that we have evolved from ape like creatures. There is so much evidence of human like creatures going back hundreds of thousands of years who buried their dead used fire and basic hunting tools who were they and how do they fit into the Adam and Eve in the garden narrative, I know Dr Swamidass touched upon this. The latest discovery is a grave yard in South Africa around a hundred thousand years old where human like creatures were buried and had primitive markings on their " graves ". Would love someone to make rational sense of all this
Love the open mindedness, Brother Paul, for having the good Christian scholar on your discourse. MashaAllah:)) (What many of us have wondered at some point, I’m sure). “Building bridges” -MashaAllah. Good to ask these questions while having our beliefs and Faith, 😊
would 'isolated" baby@newborn developed speaking@language/linguistic ability by itself without mimicking parents/another human? I strongly believe all human are mimicking their ancestor speaking/language ability back to early Adam & Eve(its when Allah teach adam names of things/matter)
So happy to see this novel interview, Allah bless you Paul!
Salam and many thanks Subboor!
So happy to see you seeing this novel interview, bless you both!
What do you think? Is it accurate?
@@BloggingTheology 10,000 YEARS IS NOT ACCURATE ITS MORE LIKE 300,000 TO 350,000 YEARS AGO. ALLAH SAID GO DOWN WHICH IMPLIES EARTH WAS HERE BEFORE THEY CAME. WHEN THEY CAME, WHO EVER WAS ON EARTH BEFORE ADAM AND EWE (DIFFERENT HUMANOIDS THEY ALL DIED OFF). THEY DIED OFF THEN WE SHOWED UP.
I believe the Islamic paradigm differs from the biblical account. Therefore, I don't see a parallel between his argument and the Islamic discourse. Thank you Paul for the time taken to produce this and all other discussions.
There is a Nature article 'Genetic Adam and Eve did not live too far apart in time' published in 2013 that gives an estimate for genetic Adam and Eve (based on y-chromosome and mitochondria DNA molecular clock estimates) that is about 200,000 years old. Given that we have a few clues about the time period of Adam and Eve, from Hadith:
1. The gigantic size of Adam (though there are different estimates of size based on what unit of measurements were being used, even if we are unsure of the exact size, we can conclude that he was gigantic in size - and not just 8 feet tall) and the existence of human giant nations in the remote past is also mentioned in the hadith and Quran.
2. That Arabia was once a land of green meadows and hills (at the time of Adam)
3. That he (the prophet of Islam, SAW) has arrived at the very end of time and is its first sign, and that if the lifespan of humankind were a full day then he has arrived at sunset just as the last rays of the sun are disappearing.
All these point to the vast antiquity of man.
If we combine with the 200,000 years estimate of population geneticists and the above it makes more sense to locate humankind in the Pleistocene epoch (2.5 million to 11,700 years ago). During the glacial ages, the Middle east and North Africa were green regions due to difference in global climate and heavy monsoon rains. Also many animals (mammals included) were much larger in size during this epoch so gigantic humans is more feasible. Given that already 1,400 years have passed since the Prophet (SAW) then to say he Adam came a mere 10,000 years ago makes little sense as we are supposed to be living in the twilight of humankind (which may itself span thousands of years yet).
Brilliant 👍
Spot on. Plus there were 124,000 prophets approx, I doubt absolutely we only go back 10,000 years.
Jzk for sharing that sunset tidbit. Surprised that I have never heard that one before. Fascinating and powerful yet succinct imagery.
Jinns outside the garden... They were created long before humans
@@TheGreatLakeRuler are you a troll hindu who change his name to a muslim name and trolling?
I love you for the sake of Allah Azawajal Jalajalalahu
Exactly- djinn had been on earth long before us. There was a big war between angels and djinn on earth too. I think this is significant.
I’ve heard that human and djinn would interbreeds but this was abolished at some stage. It’d be interesting to know more on this topic.
@@Afayanl yes me too however I think alot if what this scientist says is waffle.
Adam and Eve, we come from them. It’s what the Quran says so it is as it is.
Christians are so confused so they try to confuse everyone else with their confusion.
@@woulinx What are you talking about ?! He just related of a muslim tradition. Take in mind that Djinn means essentially what is not carrying any particularity, this is not excatly the meaning of invisible as many muslims think.
One thing has been consistent between Islamic theology and science.
Islam has held positions and truths that the vagaries of science has ultimately journeyed to confirm. From space travel, to expansion of the universe, to movements of the planetary creation. Science has disproved itself by revising its knowledge to measure up to the Quran, while Islam through the Quran has proven it can consistently be consistent. Islam and the Quran then, now and in the future is the Criterion. Allahumma 'Alam AlHakeem
12:57 In my opinion, there is a difference between the concept of "human beings" in the context of religious scripture and science. In Islam, human beings are defined by their intellect and heart. Just because someone has a physical body like a human does not necessarily mean they are considered a human in the sense intended by the religious scripture.
According to my understanding, ancient humans existed long before Adam walked the Earth. However, I believe they are not the "human beings" referred to in the religious scripture because they acted solely based on instinct. From an Islamic perspective, they cannot be considered as humans but merely as mahluk (creatures). They lack "aql" (intellect), even though they may be physically similar.
They were just apes.
@warta b - is there a source for the idea that humanoids/humanids existed before Adam/eve? Thank you.
@@aaraim their is a possability that in surah baqara when the angels were asking god why he will put another khalifa in dunya that those were other creatures that lacked something Adam had from God's favor. It also raises the question as to why would the angels ask god this question, as if they had just witnessed a similar creation like adam that reaked havoc in the dunya only to watch it again with the new khalifa (mankind). Ultimately only God knows.
@@ashcomics13 In one instance, angels questioned God, stating that human beings only cause corruption. We cannot definitively know what the angels meant by "human beings only cause corruption." It is possible that the humans referred to by the angels are not the same as the humans we are familiar with. In the field of science, human races are divided into several groups, and some of these groups, such as Homo heidelbergensis, Homo rhodesiensis, Homo habilis, Homo erectus, and Homo neanderthalensis, have been known to have become extinct.
@@aaraim What I mean is the Rhodesian, Heidelbergensis, etc. races. I cannot write them in full because it seems that the names of these human races are blocked by UA-cam, as some of them are used as slang or offensive words.
Dear Paul,
I love your content, i’ve been a subscriber since your very first videos. I miss your short informative videos , 7-15 minutes. I used to listen to them before going to bed, it’s a bit hard to do so with lengthy ones.
I think it’s a good idea to make both, short and long videos.
God bless you ❤
Noted!
@@BloggingTheology No please never compromise on your content quality, this channel is not for entertainment, it is for those who really wants to learn.
@@subhanyushaare you the owner or the major shareholder of Paul's channel?!😉 😅
@@jacktaylooris he the owner of Paul's channel who is telling him to make short videos???
he can ask just like you@@subhanyusha
can you host Eyad Qunaibi he is also a scientist but he has a different insight on this matter... he is very popular among the arab audience and it might be a chance for english people to know him
Hard agree.
It will explode 😂
He already was invited if I remember well. But if I remember well he was not very happy to share anything, just redirecting to his channel. I'm not an English speaking guy so excuse me if I got it wrong.
What is his work summary?
@@IK7. He debunks falsehood in claims like the story of 98% of genes in common between men and apes. He is also not a feminist at all. His expertise.looks great, but if you are not Arabic speaker, it's quite difficult to follow his speeches on his channel. And as I said above, from what I understood in the interview he gave here, this doctor won't be very permissive with copyright...
This is really shocking to even think or doubt whether PROPHET Adam Peace be upon Him AND OUR MOTHER EVE ever existed. It is like denying The holy quran
And all that Allah SWT the scriptures that HE SWT has send down. This is too much.
What exist first, the name Aadam and Hawwa', or 2 humans ? The Noble Qur'an is dwelled by Signs, Ayat, for whom dedicate to the study, knowing our Rabb.
My husband was researching this a few weeks ago! Jazakallahu khairan for sharing this Paul 😊👍
Where is that garden in your pfp?
@@snakejuce This is from the Kyoto garden, built inside the Holland park in London. Do have a look if you can, it's small but very beautiful!
I have been trying to reconcile evolutionary biology with scripture for a decade now - I have failed so far. I am familiar with Shoaib’s work so look forwarded to this discussion. At the end of the day both Adamic and human exceptionalism can easily be described as special pleading. This talk also rapidly turned into a theological discussion after a brief mention of the so called science. The fact is upto now no one knows. The Quran doesn’t describe Adam as the first humanoid and by the looks of it neither does Bible.
You’d probably benefit from reading my book which explains in more detail both the science and the epistemological basis that shows this isn’t a special pleading.
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According to you.
@@drswamidass
What book?
Well, Quran 23:12-14 clearly states that Adam was born of a womb.
Good Listening very informative indeed
Interesting.... He also has had interesting discussions with Dr. Craig.... I hope Paul you can do a joint discussion between Dr. Shohaib and himself exploring those difficult questions, differences through perspectives.
I would just try to follow the quran and sunnah hadith and try not to think too much, many things we don't know and will not know Allah swt knows best
And this is why the Middle East has been behind since about the 15th century. Look at how you need Paul, who is a Muslim convert, and Swamidass, a Christian, to ask and answer these questions. Most Muslims today are asleep and content with their ignorance and limited knowledge because they think everything of import was already "revealed" by the 6th century
Follow a mazhab, I would advise the hanafi one. You'll save yourself a lot of trouble.
The ostrich hiding his head in the sand strategy doesn't work for everyone.
@@jpaqonbeautiful reply to an ignoramous
@@yourstruly5706you and Asad carry on as ostriches,ignoramouses spreading delusion and ignorance. Hanafi Mazhab,are you for real.
Thank you so much Paul for the interviews
We are evidence of their existence
Are we not evidence of Allah swt existence
@@Asad-2166 We are indeed.
As Shaykh Abdal-Hakim Murad has said: "The existence of God is proven by existence. The existence of existence is proven by the one for whom it exists."
Our mere existence is definitely not proof of their existence. Our only serious proof is revelation. Biological and archeological evidence just supports the plausiblity of our belief against atheist attacks.
I had the privilege of helping make hardcover copies of this book when I worked at a book bindery. I found the idea of other people already existing at the time of Adam and Eve as a really interesting way to reconcile the conventional evolutionary theory and the text of the Holy Books.
Heh. If you look deep enough into the Quran, it says the same thing. Subanallah.
@@thefancasthub6862 where? You can actually have that view without going in opposition of the quran, however, I do not believe the quran supports this view or points to it
The Journey of Certainty - Dr. Eyad Qunaibi talk about this in details.
One more thing, if you permit Paul, I found an article from 2021 by Ali Safadari (Shi’i author) called “The history of Adam and the case for prehistoric humans in the Quran and Hadith.”
One part is worth quoting: ‘Passages of the Quran that relate the creation of Adam (p) and his descent onto Earth (Q2:30, 7:11,20:115) are silent about the existence of humanoids before him. They neither confirm nor negate this matter, leaving the door open for such a possibility. As a result of this, some scholars of exegesis have opined that Q2:30 hints to their creation:
And [recall] when your Lord said to the angels, “Indeed, I will make upon the earth a representative authority.” They said, “Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?” Allah said, “Indeed, I know that which you do not know.”
They reason that the questions posed by the Angels to Allah (s) demonstrate their foreknowledge and experience with earlier humans who had caused corruption and bloodshed on Earth. Some Sunni thinkers such as Dr Ahmad Showqi Ibrahim[29] and Dr ʿAbd al-Sabur Shahin hold this opinion.
The latter argues in his book Abī Adām[30] that we need to distinguish between the term bashar (mankind) and insān (human) in the Quran. He argues that the first is a general term used to refer to all groups of human species that have existed on Earth, whereas the second refers to the generation which stemmed from Adam (p).
However, many Sunni scholars of the Quran do not accept this reading.” End quote.
Our Sunni scholars also talked of beings called “hinn” and “binn” as talked about by Sheikh Yasir Qadhi, in his history of the prophets, Adam episodes.
If Angeles are friend of Allah or sub servian??!! Questions to Allah isn’t' Aligned with Quran ?? ; Be careful What you proposed?!
YQ is most Gymnast Sheikh I ever sees; in point he doubted on Quran Preservation 😂😂😊😊
@@obaidulhaque7510 stop lying.. he never said he 'doubted' Quran preservation... you are parroting christian missionary talking points... ua-cam.com/video/ToYSR6FA4fc/v-deo.html
Would you have James Tour to discuss issues with origin of life research?
Ditto
His argument wasn't concincing. He needed to find anything to support his notion about life 6000 years ago and other living beings with whom Adam and Eve interbred. Mr. Paul, I believe Prof. Eyad Qunaibi may provide a more reasonable contribution. He has an intensive series about evolution.
Humanity is 6000 years old and fixed since (evolution free) if we concede that humanity is far older and prone to please evolutionists from outside the "garden" ( which supposedly is a place on earth? ). That's not much coinclinging as you say, but I still found it original to ear about this other Christian perspective. I'm not very sure that trying to please atheists is of any good in theology, but I think there is always some good to take into any piece of work done without malevolence.
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I don't believe in evolution. It's an absurd idea. We don't have an age for humanity in Islam. It can be one million years or 10000 years. Adam and Eve could have existed one million, 500.000, 300.000 years ago or less. We don't know the exact date, but we do know they didn't evolve from apes. They were created by God himself. There are clear signs and ruins of humans well over 8000 years ago in northern Saudi Arabia and older in other parts of the world.
This has been my realization for a while now: The similitude between humans and apes or human s and other animals is more proof of the fact that they were all created by the same creator!!! It’s like looking at several paintings and determining that they are Picasso paintings because of his distinguishable style!
A 1st man and 1st woman inevitably existed for us to exist
Your not the brightest spark
@@Thetruth-u7l since your name is “the truth” why don’t you go ahead and enlighten us.
@@Mayochup191 pixx off prick
@@Thetruth-u7l OK. Bring your fact or version then.
How do you fix stupid?
@@Thetruth-u7l Let me help you.but rename your DP as spanner ...
Humans and chimpanzees parted ways 6 million years ago so they say....who was the first human man or woman?
...Truth my arse...rather Spanner
Yesterday I was reading about ancient civilizations and we only have history starting from 10,000 BCE, and oldest Civilizations like Mesapatomian are all within last 10 thousand years. I as a Muslim genuinely believe Adam and Eve were within last 10k years. When we talk about man it's human with intelligence like us.
Quran doesnt specifi any dating. Dont be influenced by christian narrative.
@@fxorigins6624 but still we can try to deduce from Qur'an and hadiths that Adam was intelligent being and God thought him names of things and we can see from historic record that Civilizations existed in last 10k years. Agriculture, fire were all discovered within that time period. Science says homo Sapiens existed 100k years ago. I doubt human like us with such intelligence took long time to discover Agriculture, fire etc.
That’s your own assumption and not necessarily Islamic view.
After listening to the discussion til the end i have more questions like why wasnt the life span at the time of adam a.s mentioned? Im sure that would have widened the conversation. Also br Paul please consider a live presentation so that the listeners have the opportunity to ask or comment. Just a suggestion, or offering the opportunity for us to send questions in advance? Either way thank you and much appreciated.
in surah baqarah the angels ask god why is he going to put another viceregent in the world, traditional understanding is that the angels were referring to jinnkind as our predecessors, but it could be another species God created/creates. Ultimately only god knows.
This presentation introduced me to the idea that DNA is distinct from genaeology… where you can have ancestors that share no DNA with you. My question is that is Adam in the DNA as well as the gaenology? And is that what persists?
Good question. Well we share in Adam's "DNA" in so much that we have human DNA leading to the human genotype and phenotype... as distinct from other "species."
so if humans are only 6000 years old, then how was it that there were 124,000 prophets? it makes more sense that humans existed way before 6000 years ago.
It’s still possible if there were millions of people and every town or village had their own prophet. Also, some people got more than one prophet at a time. For example, Musa and Haroonor or at the time of Jesus, there were Zakaria and Yahya. But it still makes more sense that humans are closer to 25,000 years old than 6000. Just my opinion 🤷♀️
Humans are 300,000 years old 😂
@@Nidamom They are probably everywhere during one rasul era or between 1 ulul azmi rasul era to another ulul azmi. You have to understand there are rasul and there are nabi. Two types of prophet but different responsibilities. The rasul are the ones given message in their dreams and nabi that follows the existence shariah brought by the ulul azmi rasul, but we are not obligated to know the nabi/rasul other than the 25. Even the jew have nabi named Daniel pbuh which was not in the Quran. Also during the time of Ibrahim pbuh there were Lut pbuh and Ismail pbuh. They all bring the same message as Ibrahim until the time of Musa pbuh.
@@Nidamom Yeah the 6000 years are probably miscalculated Allah knows best!
Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord; They rejoice in the bounty provided by Allah
Excellent subject, thank you Paul.
It is really very simple to understand if we read the Quran without the baggage of traditional tafsirs that are influenced by Judeo-Christian traditions on muslim thinking of past and new. From the days of Kaab Al-Ahbar, muslim traditions have been tainted with confusing ideas that have stifled our purer understanding of the Quran, which is more in accordance with modern science.
The only difference between materialistic neo-Darwinian evolution and evolution as expressed in the Quran is due to one main fundamental principle:
Is evolution random and accidental or is evolution guided ?
The Quran supports the claim of guided evolution throughout the book when it comes to the explanation of how the universe unfolded and how life started on earth and continues to this day.
Adam was not created instantaneously or especially differently from the rest of other life creatures.
Read the Quran carefully and objectively without the historical traditional interpretations that only fog the meaning and do nothing to clarify it, especially when several opposing interpretations are offered.
The academic writer Fatemah Meghji has also written on evolution and the Islamic perspective. Amina inloes has spoken about this topic too
One point that is very interesting to note, and hopefully Dr. Swamidass sees this comment. In his simulations for genealogical ancestry, it likely used scientific understanding for average life expectancy and the age range for which humans would have children, throughout history. Obviously these are both functions that vary through time. However, both Christians and Muslims assert that life expectancies were longer for the first generations, such as Noah pbuh being 950 years old, or even Abraham pbuh who was 175 years old. Of course, it isn't nessecarily life expectancy that is important, but rather the age at which children are concieved. I do not know how that information would be assertained from scripture, but then again, I'm not a theologian.
If the simulation could be repeated with this theological based function for historical life expectancy, it would be interesting to see how the genealogical ancestry gets pushed back. What would be very interesting is to see if the date would be pushed back to the modern understanding of when the advent of human civilization occured, which is generrally understood as being in mesopotamia, however older structures suggest civilization existed earlie in Turkey, such as Gobekli Tepe, at 12,000 years, and the advent of agriculture is also quoted at this exact same time frame.
If the theological understanding of life-expectancy does push this common ancenstry date back to roughly 12,000 years. It would be strong circumstantial evidence of the descendents of Adam, and Adam pbuh himself, being the first "humans" capable of greater reason. Reason and understanding likely taught by God, as God says in the Quran in surah Al Alaq, "Read with the name of your Lord who created everything, created man from a clinging clot. Read, and your Lord is Most Generous, who imparted knowledge by means of the pen, who taught man what he did not know".
And since Genesis 5 does indeed suggest that "Human" refers (theologically) to those who are descendents of Adam. When God does describe teaching "man" in surah Al Alaq, this likely refers to Adam's pbuh descendents. Which, if the date is pushed back to 12,000 years, would be remarkably "coincidental" (wink wink*). Although, on second thought, such a process would likely need to push the date back past 12,000, and likely into the range of 13,000-14,000. Because the descendents of Adam, starting with Cain, would need time to migrate through the world and be "taught by the pen", at which point they would advance civilization through the teachings of God. So a date of 13,000-14,000, would lie perfectly with both scripture, and the scientific understanding of human history.
*As an added layer of complexity, do the increased life-expectancies of the first descendents of Adam pbuh apply to "people" outside of Eden? Because if not, then there would a lot of chaotic mixing between different life-spans in the model. The long life span of type A (Adamic descendents), and regular life-spans of type B (purely non-Adamic). Once a type A did mix with a type B, the life-span of the offspring would likely be within the life-span of type A, given the children of Cain also lived for a long time despite his wife not being a "human" (theological definition). This would suggest a great deal of wisdom. The longer life-span of Adam pbuh and his descendents would allow for the rapid integration of type A into the rest of "people" (type B). I am not a biologist by trade, but there must be some remnant of this, if it is true. And there must be some way to model the longer lifespans, and likely later conception times, into the simulation, which should likely push the geneological ancestry back, and hopefully back to before the advent of civilization (coincidentally).
Also, as a side note, wouldn't image of God likely refer to free-will? The only beings in this universe with free-will are God, jinn, and man. We clearly don't share the actual form of God, because God is formless and trancendent, beyond infinity. We clearly don't pocess the magnitude of His attributes, because His attributes are at the level of Perfection and are Absolute, and ours are neither. It seems sensible the "the image of God" is the soul which carries free-will. "People" outside of Eden didn't have this "free-will". While they had the intelligence of humans, they did not possess free-will, and lived as animals do. Rather it is the descendents of Adam pbuh alone who carry the soul which bears free-will, given to us by God because of our promise made logically prior to time's creation, that we recognized God as God, and that we would obey and worship, for the promise of paradise given through Absolute Mercy.
Like the insight.
It can be said that people deal with genetics do not believe in true God . Thus for them there was no Adam and no Eve and man can have no wisdom .
I agree, also note that in Islam it is said there has been 124,000 prophets that came from Adam (pbuh), taking into account if there were at least 10 prophets that came in each generation/century then your looking back 12,400 years before the last prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) AT LEAST, maybe much more!
Also, during the time of the children of Adam (pbuh) there were advised to marry the ugly ones with the pretty ones, and the pretty ones with the ugly ones, could this be the integration of homosapians with say neanderthals? There is a documentary about the intermarriage with neanderthals.
Something to think about.
How do adults believe such obvious nonsense? Religion has made you a fool.
@billlyons7024 imagine being insane enough to believe humans were born out of a primordial single-celled organism that was struck by lightning.
Oh and this also happening with a universe that was born ex nihilho 🤣🤣🤣🤡.
Us learned folk simply don't possess the blind faith required to be atheists.
But you low IQ kids continue as you wish. Live your life. I don't get why you kids are obsessed with us and our beliefs.
Bro @@billlyons7024 take your spare time to read Al Quran, hope you find a Light to improve your life.
Human is also about the Non Empirical Ruh instead of just physicality. This can be the key to better understand Adam a.s.
Interesting discussion.
In particular the concept of the people outside the garden. The existence of people outside the garden preceding Adam raises many questions. Certainly completely changes the narrative about Adam and Eve in the traditional understanding that they were the first humans (in a spiritual sense) created by God.
Less than ten minutes in im wondering why the adam and eve scenerio is dated at a mere 10,000 years and on the flip scenerio of evolution it's automatically gone back a million+ years? Is that a fair question?
I think this channel should discuss flat earth.
Br. Paul, the angels asked Allah why He would place a vice regent on earth that would cause bloodshed. It’s plausible there were non Adamic humans before Adam(as) was placed on earth. However, interbreeding between Adamic and non Adamic seems problematic.
Believe in science makes one an atheist...in depth believe in science makes one a believer in Allah
Well, Quran 23:12-14 clearly states that Adam was born of a womb.
People tend to assume that verse 12 talks about Adam while verse 13 talks about his descendants, although verse 13 clearly uses a masculine singular pronoun referring back to "insān" of verse 12.
Just like Jesus, Adam was conceived miraculously (3:59) and was born out of a womb, probably from a previous hominin. Allāhu A'lam.
This also ties in well with 2:30 where Allah declares his intention to create a "khalīfah" (successor) on earth. While the similarity between Adam and the previous hominins would be reason and sense of Justice, the difference would be that Adam will be endowed with greater language skills, which will help him wonder about God's creation (and thus glorify God in ways angels could not) and also transmit knowledge/message from generation to generation (thus making Revelation possible).
19:28 Strong proof and argument
It's hard to match these two things to be align (Theological pov & Science/theories pov). Just by definition itself, science is an observation of physical and natural while something like most religion scriptures based upon miracles or will of higher power (me as muslim believe in Allah) and considered as supernatural not natural But overall it was a great video! Thanks Paul.
Paul, why don't we see Arabic subtitles even though the topics are unique and we hardly see them on Arabic channels?
What a fascinating perspective. Jazakallah khair Paul for having such a beautiful channel for the exchange of ideas. Thanks to the good doctor for his time.
I can’t express how much I love your content. Brother Paul, wallahi you helped me expand my knowledge about islam so much. Personally I never had a doubt about Adam and Hawwa but this video helped me explain it better to the non-muslim. jzk ❤️
Thats an interesting topic.
Yes .. like most of Paul’s work
What's in the bible about Prophet Adam and Eve is vastly different than in the Quran and hadith. This video is geared towards Christians.
Salam aleykum, can you add subtitles please ?
AFAIK, UA-cam randomly adds subtitles/CC.
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I wish all brothers to watch the series “The Journey of Certainty” by Dr. Eyad Al-Qunaibi, as it is a scientific and critical series presented in an objective and logical manner. The series dealt with the theory of evolution in detail and dismantled the arguments of evolutionists in a strict logical manner that no sane person disagrees with.
And for those who do not know Dr. Eyad Al-Qunaibi
Dr. Eyad Al-Qunaibi obtained a Ph.D. from the University of Houston, USA, and won first place. He worked as a teaching assistant there, and has 25 scientific papers published in international scientific journals. He has two patents in the field of molecular pharmacology.
“Whoever did not watch the Journey of Certainty series has missed out on a lot.”
Very interesting view. I feel personally the mind of someone working also a lot with simulation and therefore ready to consider non conflictual artefacts arising in the context of the simulation as not necessarily invalid، to the contrary. But I would have 2 issues. Introduction second class citizens from outside the garden does it not revive inherently kind of racism in a quite radical way? And also what about Nuh (as) and the flood event? We see not how it be taken into account in the computation of genes or ancestors or whatever. Otherwise, interesting overall. Thanks for this refreshing presentation.
May Almighty Allah Bless you in this Life and in the Hereafter.
Don’t forget Ma’at. He’s gonna weigh your soul against a feather. Fail the test and Annut will tear your soul apart.
@@chiararomano1818 shoo pagan
@@Paqcar Shhhh Zibby
@@chiararomano1818 We aren't following the religion of the Egyptian civilisation. Unless you've read Yu-Gi-Oh! too much and mixed with current Egypt, which is a muslim majority country. In that case, please review your opinion.
@@chiararomano1818 Are you Mad or Fool?
I just wanted to suggest to host Surkheel Abu Aaliyah on this matter as well, but I just figured you had him on before mashaAllah 😊
Salām ʿAlaykum Paul, this was a gem of an interview and made me go back and find your interview with Professor Malik. I wonder if you've ever come across Ustadha Fatima Meghji (another colleague of Professor Malik) who teaches the 'Becoming Bani Adam' course from Mizan Institute, which basically goes through evolution through the Shī'ī tradition. I think she'd be awesome to hear on this subject as well (if you're both willing and able ʾinshāʾAllāh)!
Dr Solehah Yaacob has her own perspective on this issue. I highly recommend if you would look into it.
As a muslim and a scientist , with due respect this does not make any sense .
Assalamu alaykum brother, I need your opinion on this. What do you think about saints and that their bodies dont decompose ?
Wa 'alaykumus-salam.
There are no saints in Islam.
And all bodies decompose except the bodies of the Prophets of Allah.
@@Jack-qz1lg I know that there is no saints in Islam, I am asking brother Paul because he was christian. I saw some pictures of that saints and because of that I asked him.
I am interested to know more about the 'genetic ghost' phenomenon. I don't know how this hypothesis would link to our commitments from the Quran and Hadith. Regardless, I think belief in One Omnipotent God covers any questions science can pose
Br Paul seemed quiet disinterested and suspicious at times, I think he was turned off by how the Dr was trying very hard to get the scientific data/consensus to fit the biblical narrative.
Yes Paul does look quite bored right here.
Sultan-Bin translation of the Quran of Adam-Eve story is the correct story.
Quran Chapter 17 verse 60 And [remember, O Muhammad], when We told you, "Indeed, your Lord has enclosed the people [with a cyclic pattern of History]." And We did not make the vision [Al-Isra, your night journey] which We showed you [before] except to be a test [homework] for the people [to uncover its prior cycle in history] in connection with the tree [whose fruit Eve-Adam ate], the accursed [Ibless, who whispered Adam to eat] mentioned in the Quran. And We threaten the people [to uncover night journey of Eve-Adam from Al-Isra of Prophet Muhammad (saw)], but it [the lesson emanating from: Eve-Adam were created on earth, living on earth then Allah took them to heaven like Prophet Muhammad only to send them back with or without honour (clothed or naked) after setting up their status] increases them not except in great transgression.
Quran Chapter 20 verse 117: Then We said, “O Adam! This [naivety of yours, 20:115] is an enemy to you and to your wife. So do not let it drive you both out of Paradise so that [O Adam] you experience [a naked (humiliating) return in contrast of a clothed (honoured) return].
Quran Chapter 20 verse 118: “Indeed you will not be hungry nor be naked [herein, that you used to be] therein [on earth before].
Quran Chapter 20 verse 119: and you will not suffer thirst nor from the heat of the Sun [herein that you used to] therein [on earth before].
Quran Chapter 20 verse 120: But Satan whispered to him, saying, “O Adam! Shall I show you the tree of eternity and a kingdom that does not fade away?”
Quran Chapter 20 verse 121: And Adam and his wife ate of it, and their nakedness [sense of humiliation] became apparent to them, and they began to fasten over themselves from the leaves [remnant honour] of Paradise. And Adam disobeyed his Lord and erred.
Quran Chapter 20 verse 122: Then his Lord chose him and turned to him in forgiveness and guided [him].
Quran Chapter 20 verse 123: [Allah] said, “Descend [naked instead of clothed], both of you, from here together [with Satan] as enemies to each other. Then when guidance comes to you from Me [to realize Quran 2:30], whoever follows My guidance will neither go astray nor experience disgrace [ever].
Quran Chp 7 Verse 20: But Satan whispered to them to show what was hidden from one another of their nakedness [sense of humiliation]. He said, "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree except that you become angels or become of the immortal."
Quran Chp 7 Verse 22: So he made them fall, through deception. And when they tasted of the tree, their nakedness [sense of humiliation] became apparent to them, and they began to fasten together over themselves from the leaves [remnant honour] of Paradise. And their Lord called to them, "Did I not forbid you from that tree and tell you that Satan is to you a clear enemy?"
Quran Chp 7 Verse 24: [Allah] said, "Descend [naked instead of clothed, adornment], being to one another enemies. You will find in the earth a residence and provision for your appointed stay [so you won’t suffer again there from the heat of the Sun, hunger, thirst, nakedness]."
Quran Chp 7 Verse 26: O children of Adam, We have bestowed upon you clothing [sense of honour] to conceal your nakedness [contrasting the sense of humiliation] and as adornment. But the clothing [honour] of righteousness - that is best. That is from the signs of Allah that perhaps they will remember.
Quran Chp 7 Verse 27: O Children of Adam, let not allow Satan to tempt you as [such naivety, 20:117] drove your parents out from paradise stripping of them from their clothing [honour] to show each other their nakedness [humiliation]. He and his tribe watch you from where you cannot see them. We have made satanic forces allies to those who do not believe;
Thank you so much for these quotes from Quran -will study these In’sha’Allah.
@freepalestine3383 This is a tafsir of the Quran by the Quran.
Interesting analysis. In my view human is not a human if he doesn't have a soul. Once a human dies he/she is automatically called a body or (jasasa), i.e. a lifeless body.
What I have understood up til now is that God made the souls of everyone of us prior before He created Adam and Eve and when He decided to make Adam He just ordered the soul to enter the body and Adam started to experience everything he sees. Adam leaned the names of things (that's what the Quran says) but we see in history that it took many years for the man/human to learn and kindle fire. Obviously he was surviving on earth before he discovered fire but as time passed he became more aware of the things he needed to sustain.
May God bless you immensely brother Paul. Sending prayers and much love.
cant people say that there is a possibility that there are people alive today or that there were people alive at some point in history much after Adam and Eve that never interbred with their lineage?
Nice interview. Interestingly i did read something similar to topics brought up a number of years ago by Naqshbandi Shaykh based in Canada...
Thank you for your videos Paul
Glad you like them!
Remember there are hadiths that clarifies that the children of Adam inter married. There were no humans before the creation of Adam. There were creation that look somewhat like humans but did not have the brains and minds of humans.
Are you referring to the Al-hin and Al-bin?
I think its the difference between Insan and Bashar and those the Angel ask about when Allah created Adam .. and at same time I think he is pinpointing Noah .. anyways this Channel is becoming like the House of Wisdom ❤...
What do you think about the question asked by the angel about the creature that does bloodshed and mischievous on earth, when Allah had the intentions to create Adam. Are they the ones that have become the evolutionists obsession?
Verse 29 Al Baqarah
Salam alaykum wa Rahmatullah brother's.
thank you very much Paula and alhamdulilah the Quran made clear for everything and alhamdulilahi Rabil caalameen
I have a feeling he hasn't taken Prophet Noah events into account in the calculations.
Muslims dont follow the biblical story that all of human civilization comes from the sons of Nuh a.s.
Good one. That’s another myth
Alhamdulillah
Assalamu aleykum Are you in norway i would like to mer you i live in Oslo
Thank you so much Paul for the videos
Adam in Eve in Islam are clearly two distinct people and clearly in Islam were the first couple on Earth. We don't need to reconcile that with anything.
Hey Mr. Paul , you should have added subtitles options to explain the whole scenario of contents, thanks to you for your constructive discussion & efforts to establish the truth, you are trying to demonstrate the knowledge of truth against whole islam phobic & biased anti religious activities
In Islam we accept Facts (Message) no matter what their source (Messanger) or how they deliver it (Mode of Delivery)
But it's not wrong to think and do research on the evidence of the Quran. In fact it will increase our Iman.
If that is the Premises then the conclusion cannot be valid. Because you are not involving in the information exchange.
thank you brother, please elaborate.
I say no there is no evidence Adam and Eve existed as literal people, but that doesn't mean the story itself is untrue it's just not historical. The Bible is full of esoteric teachings, and the Jews had tradition of looking through the scriptures to build doctrine based on the esoteric meanings.
Is such a question even important? Are questions as to the allegorical import not more interesting? Should not the ethical and spiritual teachings of such a story be more the focus here?
Very informative discussion..Thank you!
It's not worth getting into an argument about Adam & Eve vs. Evolution... You'd just be comparing Apples and Origins 😭
Its funny when atheists say ppl are only doing things due to the science, as if science doesn't get to refine what it teaches, including how science is itself done
In islamic traditions cain had taken his sister as his wife. Just like abel. According to this tradition Eve used to deliver twins boys and girls. Abel had a twin sister and cain also had a twin sister and aside from these 2 pairs of twins Eve also gave birth to a lot of twins. From them mankind started to grow in population. In islam, one of Allah’s Divine Names is “Al-khallāq”(الخلَّاق) the One who continually creates. So there’s no problem in Islam IF there are other sentient creatures who roams the Earth 🌍 before Adam and Eve… and I personally believe that the Earth will have other sentient beings after the Time of Adam’s Children. After the Day of Judgment… God creates whatever He wants… it is very easy for Him to put new sentient beings on Earth after humans are assigned either to Jannah(paradise) or Jahannam(Hell). Almighty Allah will always be creating new things as it is one of His Divine attributes to be perpetually Creating.
If you read the al Quran there no contradiction...Adam was the first modern human, the most perfect creation and the most advance creation, even angels knew that the are creations before Adam..
I think he obsesess with his hipothesis in science rather the scriptures..
Everything evolved from previous species. The evidence is compelling
On this subject a Muslim perspective can not be complete without considering what Dr. Shahrour research had presented.
Of course god encourages us to think and do research. The one who proves Quran evidence does not necessarily just muslims. Dr. Shahour research is valid too.
for a while science told us heart doesnt think ! and Quran is wrong refering to verse 7:179 >
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recently science tells us heart can thinks ! Recent work in the relatively new field of neurocardiology has firmly established that the heart is a sensory organ and an information encoding and processing center, with an extensive intrinsic nervous system that’s sufficiently sophisticated to qualify as a heart brain. Its circuitry enables it to learn, remember, and make functional decisions independent of the cranial brain. To everyone’s surprise, the findings have demonstrated that the heart’s intrinsic nervous system is a complex, self-organized system; its neuroplasticity, or ability to reorganize itself by forming new neural connections over both the short and long term, has been well demonstrated !
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so whenever science say something which is against Quran u know that they're lying ! ...
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@@Asad-2166 can u tell me why u so happy
ONE CREATION SIMPLE. SIX AROUND ONENESS.
The reason you can acknowledge all of evolutionary science is true and have it not conflict with a literal reading of Genesis is because Genesis explains the origin if human life and evolution doesn't. Evolution is about how species change over time and Genesis says nothing about that. Genesis says that a supernatural being piled up some dust, breathed on it, and it magically became an adult human male. If your claim is that that story is a scientifically viable hypothesis, then we are not talking about evolution at all.
السلام علیکم و رحمت اللہ برکاتہ
Jinns inhabitated Earth before humans. It's not a mystery. It's well know amongst ulama. I get the impression that this guy thinks that the Quran copied the Bible
Ok I have so many questions. Like why Y chromosomes Adam and mitochondria eve have nothing to do with real Adam and Eve? There are many skeletons of modern humans found dating back to more than 6000 years. Why would God choose one couple out of all modern humans 6000 years ago to live in Eden and become the common ancestors of future humans? What makes them special?
NOW WHO IS CORRECT??? YOU OR ME?
According to Muhyiddin Arabi, aproximatly three hundred thousand years have passed since our father Adem.
How many thousands or million of "couple " could be existing?? 3 million of early human if we cosider.
I don't this is Islamic, it goes against Quran and Sunnah.
(Oh humans We created you from a male and a female ...) Quran 49:13
Hadeeth (All of you are from Adam and Adam is from sand) and (All of you are descendants of Adam, and Adam is from sand)...
However, Adam's story may be very old, in Islam it was never defined when it had happened. But many civilizations had passed some of them are much stronger in physical power, stature, power on earth, buildings, wealth,... Most of these (if not all) were arrogant and Allah wiped them out and human life was restarted from a few individuals. This happened many times including that of Noah AS. I think this is supported by the Catastrophic Theory which has some support from the fossil record.
If the evolution (hypothesis) had any binding on reality, we will see near infinite number of living types and families in the fossil record (which we don't) also there will be much much more variations in life (which there isn't). How many times have you seen people with wings, gills, complex eyes,... ALL OF THIS IS NON EXISTENT AND NEVER EXISTED.
Evolution is just a good hypothesis which was and will never be proven. Its own support is hidden in the assumption of uniformitarianism which NO ONE TELLS YOU ABOUT. This assumption is good to start and to get by and develop science quickly, but it was never been proven to be TRUE.
Yeah a lot of gaps between fossils time line, the evidence is too small to prove evolution.
If Darwin met Lenin we would have a BOLSHEVIK EVOLUTION 😭
How do you figure that? Darwin was a biologist, Lenin was an economist and social scientist, both are very different worlds.
@thedude9941 read the comment again... then understand the point of the joke in comparing "evolution" with the historical event of the "Bolshevik Revolution."
To be honest,
This is the only main topic in which I have doubts about.
I have no doubt about Quran to be word of Allah because it has a lot different kinds of evidence. But i had doubt how to fit Adam & eve (hawa) with evolution which I believe is somewhat true. Even though a lot Muslims just make fun of evolution & don't believe it, I couldn't deny few evidences it presents.
So, thank you for clearing my doubt. I have a good understanding of biology, it would have been really great if you guys have discussed the scientific research in this video. I look into their website for that.
Thank you. Zazakallah.
You are doing a great job.
May Allah give you a long life so you can enlighten us with all kind knowledge.
i think what makes a human a human isn't so much genetics, moreso language. i think language is what makes a human a human.
I thought that the DNA study has concluded "out of Africa" theory, and "a black Eve?"
Would love there to be a follow up to this one, evolution versus the creation of Man as in the Quran and Bible as well is such an important topic especially for youngsters, where the standard narrative is that we have evolved from ape like creatures. There is so much evidence of human like creatures going back hundreds of thousands of years who buried their dead used fire and basic hunting tools who were they and how do they fit into the Adam and Eve in the garden narrative, I know Dr Swamidass touched upon this. The latest discovery is a grave yard in South Africa around a hundred thousand years old where human like creatures were buried and had primitive markings on their " graves ". Would love someone to make rational sense of all this
12:59.Jinns populated the earth before humans,
May Allah bless you for your work and may Allah let you enter the highest ranks of Jannah.
Love the open mindedness, Brother Paul, for having the good Christian scholar on your discourse.
MashaAllah:)) (What many of us have wondered at some point, I’m sure).
“Building bridges” -MashaAllah.
Good to ask these questions while having our beliefs and Faith, 😊
would 'isolated" baby@newborn developed speaking@language/linguistic ability by itself without mimicking parents/another human? I strongly believe all human are mimicking their ancestor speaking/language ability back to early Adam & Eve(its when Allah teach adam names of things/matter)