One fan theory suggests that Dr. Who is the David Tennant human clone Doctor that grew out of the severed hand and married Rose Tyler in the parallel universe. He picked the last name "Who" for some reason. So Barbara and Susan in the movies would be the granddaughters of "Handy" and Rose.
@@plows2940 The Metacrisis Doctor was fully human, with one heart, one life, etc. It is reasonable to suppose that he wanted to live his relatively short life to the fullest. And that means loving Rose, and having a second chance at family that he was deprived of so long ago. Their child might naturally want to honor a lost-lost relative or friend by passing their name along. It makes perfect sense -- from a head canon POV!
The Peter Cushing films were my first exposure to Doctor Who as a teenager in the 1960's. They were shown on daytime TV on WNBC in New York City. Didn't see regular Doctor Who until the Tom Baker episodes started broadcasting in the 1970's.
I saw the first film at the cinema. Imagine, Daleks on the big screen, seeing everything in colour for the first time. As a child of the 60s, it was amazing. My mum didn’t want me to see it, she wanted me to see Mary Poppins. My big brother didn’t want to see some Disney film either so we just said we went to see Mary Poppins. My mum got wise of the deception and I was forbidden to see the second film. But, I still say there’s nothing like sitting in a crowded cinema with other fans, just sharing the love. ❤️😊👍🏻
@@redblade8160 Frankly, I haven’t the foggiest. The first objection I suppose was because my mum wanted me to watch a light and fluffy musical because that’s the kind of thing she liked. The second objection I can surmise that it was a kind of retaliation for not wanting do and sneakily not doing what she wanted me to do. She had to put up with Doctor Who on the TV because my brothers and my dad watched it. In those days, Doctor Who was seen as boys television. Any girl showing interest in Doctor Who was seen as a Tom boy, in the day the inference was you were more or less a proto lesbian. (Even though few knew what that actually meant, it was still used as a derogatory remark.) 🤷🏻♀️
@@LoriCiani It could also be that she thought the Daleks would corrupt your mind and turn you into a Roboman! Personally, I would rather be a Roboman compared to being Dick Van Dyke.
I like to connect Cushing's human scientist to 2008's The Next Doctor, where a human, without spoiling it for those who have not seen it, gets into close contact with specific Time Lord knowledge. Maybe the human Dr. Who's situation was similar, with the addition of finding a Gallifreyan Tardis, possibly partially broken, and fixing it? Unless of course there's a fob watch scenario, which would also make it possible to bring Cushing into the main continuity!
Peter Cushing himself already came up with his own sort of, "head canon". The Celestial Toymaker snatched a future Doctor (as played by Peter Cushing) from his timeline and forced him to live out his past adventures. The Unbound Charity Annuals, a line of novels (iirc) further goes with this interpretation, explaining that this incarnation of Cushing is a Time Lord whose memories have been altered by the Toymaker, for one thing explaining his human identity, and for another it explains why he can't remember having already gone through the events of the two films in his first incarnation. Therefore, the Cushing Doctor is a future incarnation of the Time Lord known as the Doctor.
When there were no repeats of the earlier (first) episodes and some were thought lost, these movies were our only introduction to the first two Dalek stories in the 70's. I actually saw quite a good mock up of a third movie on UA-cam years ago, it was short but well done. There actually WAS a short story in an eighties/nineties DWM where the 7th Doctor visits the ailing, ancient Dr Who at home and gives him a revitalising potion saying, "After all, you haven't even dealt with The Cybermen yet!"
Yeah, I was a child in the 80s and I always remember these films as being the original Dr Who. I dont think it was much later that they rereleased the William Hartnell ones. Although I always remember my parents talk about him being the First.
A bit of semi-canon via Steven Moffatt's novelization of The Day of the Doctor: the Cushing movies exist in-universe as UNIT-approved adaptations of the Doctor's actual adventures.
Good overview of the two Cushing Dr. Who films...while I'm a longtime Doctor Who fan, I also appreciated these films for what they were...agree it's a shame that they never did the proposed third film.
I bought the poster for this movie when I was a kid from the museum of the moving image. I grew up with it on my bedroom wall and forgot about the poster, until watching this video. Loved the film. Thank you. 🙏
i met roy castle on a brownie outing to one of his shows shortly before he died of lung cancer apparently from playing cornet in smoky venues. he was lovelly and spoke to each of us, it was a specail experiance for a small child
The TV show has had its day. I would love to see a movie reboot with the Peter Cushing character; no time Lords just a nutter professor type on space time adventures
I actually think they did kind of a pretty good job with that as much as I take jabs at it, but it’s not just the likeness that they have to account for, for a recast- they also have to find an actor who has what it takes, has those acting chops. No mean feat
@@dwfan91- They can do it again with better results as computing power is better and because the Rogue One Tarkin model was based on a 3D scan of an original cast of Cushing's face. It was taken for the film Top Secret - where his character needed a prosthetic and the mold make kept the original.
Dr Who and the Daleks was an American Comic Book Story, which is probably why you can't find it. As for merchandise, there was a lot of merchandise and marketing at the time, which is why the movie was so successful.
Yeah I think it would be interesting having the Peter Cushing Doctor in the normal doctor who universe. It could be done like some sort of multiverse episode, kind of like what they do in the Marvel movies.
If they didn’t come up with the idea of regeneration and Doctor Who ended before The Tenth Planet, then I could easily see these movies being considered the definitive version of Doctor Who.
In the Target Novel of Day of the Doctor, 11 and 10 find copies of the films in the Black Archive and watch them while Clara and War have their conversation. They imitate Peter Cushing and take great pleasure in imitating him. Steven Moffat you little fanboy you.
So…I had heard of Doctor Who, but it was not on any television in Norway, so when our school visited the BBC studios in London and I ask the store manager what to start with, he recommended these movies to start with 😂😂
I really like Peter Cushing the actor. When I first saw this I was shocked, as he's so not the Doctor. On later viewing, I found they were far more enjoyable once the shock wore off.
@@dwfan91-When I saw Peter Cushing's 2 movies I only knew Tom Baker, Jon and Sylvester. I'd only seen pictures of the other Doctors in a large coffee table book on Dr. Who (Syl had just completed his 2nd year, according to the book, which was a year or so out of date). So, when you compare Peter Cushing to Tom Baker .... he was NOT the Doctor. Or, Sylvester. Certainly not. But, now I like him. (And, I just like HIM. Last year watched all the Dracula and Frankenstein films with him. And, I hate Star Wars cause they killed him off in it, the coolest character in the movie! LOL)
I really think that since Dalek Mania was dying down they should’ve tried a different serial to adapt into film, like Web Planet or Celestial Toymaker. Both serials would’ve lend well to a big budget movie which is a shame we can’t get another one going.
@@dwfan91- I don't fully understand it but it basically states it exists in "a version of reality B relative to a version of reality A" There is also some EU book that states that the reality was created by the Doctor to distract the Five O'Clock shadow because Dr. Who was less angsty compared to his mainline counterpart which allows the Doctor to fight the Five O'Clock shadow in the main timeline while not having to worry about his main timeline past self being in any danger
It would be cool if The Tenth Planet could have been the third movie. Taking place in the same time as the series, but this time it's assumed the approaching planet is the mythical planet 'Nibiru'. The Cybermen are assumed to be at first NASA personnel testing out New space suits, but the personnel at the base were failed to be alerted for some reason. (Plotline follows a similar route, minus the Regeneration) The Doctor and his granddaughter again are the Main TARDIS crew, but the two extras up in the air. Another could be the Thrid Doctor's 'The Silurians'. But in this case, it takes place in the Old West. They could have had a joint venture with James West and Artimous Gordon of 'Wild Wild West fame. It's Presumed that Dr. Lovelace was Attempting to scare people with Lizard people and Dinosaurs to gain mining rights to a Gold or Silver mine. Turns out miners had Accidently awoken the ancient race of Silurians, whereupon the plotline follows a similar route. It's figured since Susan had to do a report for school on the American Old West, why not just Travel there to get First-hand knowledge. Once again the Secondary companions, uncertain about)
These would both be so awesome. Honestly I wouldn't mind if they made Modern Versions of these movies totally unrelated to the current TV show of Doctor Who.
I think the Peter Capaldi Doctor was a riff on the Peter Cushing Doctor. Also with an illustrated DOCTOR WHO AND THE DALEKS out, I'd like to see an animated remake with the Glass Dalek and this time with the creatures in the swamp and showing the Dalek mutant.
I like to think that these movies prove that Doctor Who not only spans time and space, but the multiverse as well. Why not? The multiverse stuff is hot now, so why can't Doctor Who also play in it?
The TV Dr. Who! completely lost its appeal for me after Tom Baker left. The actors that were selected afterwards to play Dr. Who! were ridiculous and completely ruined the show.
@@dwfan91- Hate is a strong word, you fool; leave that part out of your questions. Even Peter Davidson himself said that he was not right for the part!
I’m a huge Peter Cushing fan and a huge dr who fan ,, yes you guessed it , l bloody hate him as dr who , he rarely completely misjudged his performance, he’s not the dr anyway , awful films , terrible so called comedy sidekicks ( although cribbins would later be a great companion) only good thing if the brilliantly colourful daleks , but not enough to make me watch again 😮
I think the real problem was that he was such an intensely psychological actor that trying to be either mysterious or cartoony or both just didn't work for him. There's a few horror movies he made where we're not supposed to understand what's going on with his character until fairly late in the film, and he's invariably boring until we figure out what's up. Enigmatic to other characters, but transparent to the audience? That he could swing, easily. Inexplicable time traveling trickster? Not so much. I will say that I liked Dr Who and Dr Abner Perry of At the Earth's Core a lot more on my recent rewatches as a middle-aged Gen-Xer, then I did 15-17 years ago when I was first being amazed that Grand Moff Tarkin did anything else with his career, and that some of it was kind of bada**, for lack of better word.
I thought the in universe explanation was that Barbara, Ian and possibly even Susan wrote the Peter Cushing adventures/movies out of respect (or you know ptsd) for their time with the first doctor... (but made him human to make it more believable).
I loved watching these as a child in the early 1980s. Especially the Daleks Invasion of the Earth. Even with all the episodes and diffrent Doctor's, I prefer the stories that are based on earth cos its more exiting cos it has an element of reality. Wasnt too keen on the alien panet ones. I actually thought he was the original doctor but I later learned that William Hartnell came first. But yeaah, I often wondered why Puter Cushing is never counted in the Dr Who can on modern day Whoism. I guess its cos he was playing the same doctor as William Hartnell. But was william Hartnell even a concious time lord? Or didnt he become a regenerating timelord from the 2nd doctor onwards? I guess at the time of the First Doctor, the producers were just focused on the storylines and keeping the show running that they hadnt really planned on replacing William hartnell at the time. So the idea of him being a regenerating Timelord didnt really come about until they needed to replace the actor. Then of course, they just continued it throughout the Doctors. These films would have been made at the time of the First Doctor, so there wouldnt have been any need at the time to make him anything else but an old human man rather than a timelord.
One fan theory suggests that Dr. Who is the David Tennant human clone Doctor that grew out of the severed hand and married Rose Tyler in the parallel universe. He picked the last name "Who" for some reason. So Barbara and Susan in the movies would be the granddaughters of "Handy" and Rose.
That’s great, I love that!
@@plows2940 The Metacrisis Doctor was fully human, with one heart, one life, etc. It is reasonable to suppose that he wanted to live his relatively short life to the fullest. And that means loving Rose, and having a second chance at family that he was deprived of so long ago. Their child might naturally want to honor a lost-lost relative or friend by passing their name along. It makes perfect sense -- from a head canon POV!
The Peter Cushing films were my first exposure to Doctor Who as a teenager in the 1960's. They were shown on daytime TV on WNBC in New York City. Didn't see regular Doctor Who until the Tom Baker episodes started broadcasting in the 1970's.
I didn't know they aired in the States! That is very cool
I saw the first film at the cinema. Imagine, Daleks on the big screen, seeing everything in colour for the first time. As a child of the 60s, it was amazing. My mum didn’t want me to see it, she wanted me to see Mary Poppins. My big brother didn’t want to see some Disney film either so we just said we went to see Mary Poppins. My mum got wise of the deception and I was forbidden to see the second film. But, I still say there’s nothing like sitting in a crowded cinema with other fans, just sharing the love. ❤️😊👍🏻
I love this story
@LoriCiani.
What did your mum have against you watching Dr. Who at the cinema?
@@redblade8160 Frankly, I haven’t the foggiest. The first objection I suppose was because my mum wanted me to watch a light and fluffy musical because that’s the kind of thing she liked. The second objection I can surmise that it was a kind of retaliation for not wanting do and sneakily not doing what she wanted me to do. She had to put up with Doctor Who on the TV because my brothers and my dad watched it. In those days, Doctor Who was seen as boys television. Any girl showing interest in Doctor Who was seen as a Tom boy, in the day the inference was you were more or less a proto lesbian. (Even though few knew what that actually meant, it was still used as a derogatory remark.) 🤷🏻♀️
@@LoriCiani
It could also be that she thought the Daleks would corrupt your mind and turn you into a Roboman! Personally, I would rather be a Roboman compared to being Dick Van Dyke.
@@redblade8160 😂😂😂
I like to connect Cushing's human scientist to 2008's The Next Doctor, where a human, without spoiling it for those who have not seen it, gets into close contact with specific Time Lord knowledge. Maybe the human Dr. Who's situation was similar, with the addition of finding a Gallifreyan Tardis, possibly partially broken, and fixing it?
Unless of course there's a fob watch scenario, which would also make it possible to bring Cushing into the main continuity!
Interesting!
The fob watch!! i never thought of that! that could be it!
Peter Cushing himself already came up with his own sort of, "head canon".
The Celestial Toymaker snatched a future Doctor (as played by Peter Cushing) from his timeline and forced him to live out his past adventures.
The Unbound Charity Annuals, a line of novels (iirc) further goes with this interpretation, explaining that this incarnation of Cushing is a Time Lord whose memories have been altered by the Toymaker, for one thing explaining his human identity, and for another it explains why he can't remember having already gone through the events of the two films in his first incarnation.
Therefore, the Cushing Doctor is a future incarnation of the Time Lord known as the Doctor.
When there were no repeats of the earlier (first) episodes and some were thought lost, these movies were our only introduction to the first two Dalek stories in the 70's. I actually saw quite a good mock up of a third movie on UA-cam years ago, it was short but well done. There actually WAS a short story in an eighties/nineties DWM where the 7th Doctor visits the ailing, ancient Dr Who at home and gives him a revitalising potion saying, "After all, you haven't even dealt with The Cybermen yet!"
I remember that too, for the Chase
@@dwfan91- You should watch the movie The Gorgon if you want to see Cushing and the 2nd Doctor, Patrick Troughton together.
Yeah, I was a child in the 80s and I always remember these films as being the original Dr Who. I dont think it was much later that they rereleased the William Hartnell ones. Although I always remember my parents talk about him being the First.
The Peter Cushing Dr is awesome
A bit of semi-canon via Steven Moffatt's novelization of The Day of the Doctor: the Cushing movies exist in-universe as UNIT-approved adaptations of the Doctor's actual adventures.
I think that's a better idea than some of the other ways people try to incorporate it into doctor who
I remember watching this growing up love your content btw it’s nice to see people still talk about classic who
Good overview of the two Cushing Dr. Who films...while I'm a longtime Doctor Who fan, I also appreciated these films for what they were...agree it's a shame that they never did the proposed third film.
Yes! Bring back someone who resembles Peter Cushing to Dr Who, it would bring back a lot of fans!
They were meant to reference him in the 50th anniversary by having a poster of the film in the Black Archive
I bought the poster for this movie when I was a kid from the museum of the moving image. I grew up with it on my bedroom wall and forgot about the poster, until watching this video. Loved the film. Thank you. 🙏
I would have loved to see this Doctor go up against Christopher Lee as a version of the Master
i met roy castle on a brownie outing to one of his shows shortly before he died of lung cancer apparently from playing cornet in smoky venues. he was lovelly and spoke to each of us, it was a specail experiance for a small child
The TV show has had its day. I would love to see a movie reboot with the Peter Cushing character; no time Lords just a nutter professor type on space time adventures
I always thought of them as in universe media retellings of events. Like movies, someone in the Doctor Who universe could watch
The guy who did the motion capture for Tarkin in Rogue One actually looks a fair bit like Peter Cushing.
I actually think they did kind of a pretty good job with that as much as I take jabs at it, but it’s not just the likeness that they have to account for, for a recast- they also have to find an actor who has what it takes, has those acting chops. No mean feat
@@dwfan91- They can do it again with better results as computing power is better and because the Rogue One Tarkin model was based on a 3D scan of an original cast of Cushing's face. It was taken for the film Top Secret - where his character needed a prosthetic and the mold make kept the original.
Dr Who and the Daleks was an American Comic Book Story, which is probably why you can't find it. As for merchandise, there was a lot of merchandise and marketing at the time, which is why the movie was so successful.
These were my first Doctor Who experience.
the peter cushing interpretation is wild
Somebody else quoted the Daleks trailer! I thought i was the only one all these years...
So close you can feel their fire...
@@lbricks7631 So thrilling you must be there
Yeah I think it would be interesting having the Peter Cushing Doctor in the normal doctor who universe. It could be done like some sort of multiverse episode, kind of like what they do in the Marvel movies.
I agree
Considering the modern episode rouge brought the Richard grant doctor into canon I think Cushing deserves the same honor.
If they didn’t come up with the idea of regeneration and Doctor Who ended before The Tenth Planet, then I could easily see these movies being considered the definitive version of Doctor Who.
In the Target Novel of Day of the Doctor, 11 and 10 find copies of the films in the Black Archive and watch them while Clara and War have their conversation. They imitate Peter Cushing and take great pleasure in imitating him. Steven Moffat you little fanboy you.
So…I had heard of Doctor Who, but it was not on any television in Norway, so when our school visited the BBC studios in London and I ask the store manager what to start with, he recommended these movies to start with 😂😂
what an intro
I really like Peter Cushing the actor. When I first saw this I was shocked, as he's so not the Doctor. On later viewing, I found they were far more enjoyable once the shock wore off.
yes, he is dr. who
@@dwfan91-When I saw Peter Cushing's 2 movies I only knew Tom Baker, Jon and Sylvester. I'd only seen pictures of the other Doctors in a large coffee table book on Dr. Who (Syl had just completed his 2nd year, according to the book, which was a year or so out of date). So, when you compare Peter Cushing to Tom Baker .... he was NOT the Doctor. Or, Sylvester. Certainly not. But, now I like him. (And, I just like HIM. Last year watched all the Dracula and Frankenstein films with him. And, I hate Star Wars cause they killed him off in it, the coolest character in the movie! LOL)
In a very VERY close alternate timeline, we saw this guys face in rogue instead of shalka 🧐🧐🧐
I really think that since Dalek Mania was dying down they should’ve tried a different serial to adapt into film, like Web Planet or Celestial Toymaker. Both serials would’ve lend well to a big budget movie which is a shame we can’t get another one going.
Apparently this movie actually does exist as an alternate universe in the Doctor Who lore with it being referenced in the Dalek Survival Guide
I have that book!
@@dwfan91- I don't fully understand it but it basically states it exists in "a version of reality B relative to a version of reality A"
There is also some EU book that states that the reality was created by the Doctor to distract the Five O'Clock shadow because Dr. Who was less angsty compared to his mainline counterpart which allows the Doctor to fight the Five O'Clock shadow in the main timeline while not having to worry about his main timeline past self being in any danger
Dr.who is the best 😊
I own Dr. Who and the Daleks restored to 4k on dvd
He is Dr. Who-man.
It would be cool if The Tenth Planet could have been the third movie.
Taking place in the same time as the series, but this time it's assumed the approaching planet is the mythical planet 'Nibiru'.
The Cybermen are assumed to be at first NASA personnel testing out New space suits, but the personnel at the base were failed to be alerted for some reason.
(Plotline follows a similar route, minus the Regeneration)
The Doctor and his granddaughter again are the Main TARDIS crew, but the two extras up in the air.
Another could be the Thrid Doctor's 'The Silurians'. But in this case, it takes place in the Old West.
They could have had a joint venture with James West and Artimous Gordon of 'Wild Wild West fame.
It's Presumed that Dr. Lovelace was Attempting to scare people with Lizard people and Dinosaurs to gain mining rights to a Gold or Silver mine.
Turns out miners had Accidently awoken the ancient race of Silurians, whereupon the plotline follows a similar route.
It's figured since Susan had to do a report for school on the American Old West, why not just Travel there to get First-hand knowledge. Once again the Secondary companions, uncertain about)
These would both be so awesome. Honestly I wouldn't mind if they made Modern Versions of these movies totally unrelated to the current TV show of Doctor Who.
@@dwfan91- You and me both. Have Invasion of Earth 2150AD be like the 3rd movie of 4 or 5. Daleks being the first of course
@@TheBlindDyslexic Yeah make the first movie and mingling of the first part of an Unearthly Child straight into the Daleks, it would be perfect
Dr who with a stash = gold🏆
The 1963 episode is called The Daleks not Doctor Who and the Daleks.
Sugarpuffs was a major financier in the film!
they were! you can see their advertisements throughout
And you could win a Dalek which some did
This Dr Who character is actually canon to the Whoniverse, in the multiverse anyway…
I think the Peter Capaldi Doctor was a riff on the Peter Cushing Doctor. Also with an illustrated DOCTOR WHO AND THE DALEKS out, I'd like to see an animated remake with the Glass Dalek and this time with the creatures in the swamp and showing the Dalek mutant.
Love Doctor who
Same!
I like to think that these movies prove that Doctor Who not only spans time and space, but the multiverse as well. Why not? The multiverse stuff is hot now, so why can't Doctor Who also play in it?
Thats what I'm saying!
The TV Dr. Who! completely lost its appeal for me after Tom Baker left. The actors that were selected afterwards to play Dr. Who! were ridiculous and completely ruined the show.
Surely you can't hate Sylvester McCoy
@@dwfan91-
Sylvester McCoy was one of the worst to be chosen as Dr. Who! They would have done no worse if they had chosen Sylvester the Cat!
@@redblade8160 Surely you can’t hate Peter Davison
@@dwfan91-
Hate is a strong word, you fool; leave that part out of your questions. Even Peter Davidson himself said that he was not right for the part!
@@redblade8160 Why are you calling me a fool, you said they "were ridiculous and completely ruined the show."
I’m a huge Peter Cushing fan and a huge dr who fan ,, yes you guessed it , l bloody hate him as dr who , he rarely completely misjudged his performance, he’s not the dr anyway , awful films , terrible so called comedy sidekicks ( although cribbins would later be a great companion) only good thing if the brilliantly colourful daleks , but not enough to make me watch again 😮
He’s very different to the doctor we know. In fact he’s not the Doctor at all, hes ‘Dr. Who’ 😂
I think the real problem was that he was such an intensely psychological actor that trying to be either mysterious or cartoony or both just didn't work for him. There's a few horror movies he made where we're not supposed to understand what's going on with his character until fairly late in the film, and he's invariably boring until we figure out what's up. Enigmatic to other characters, but transparent to the audience? That he could swing, easily. Inexplicable time traveling trickster? Not so much. I will say that I liked Dr Who and Dr Abner Perry of At the Earth's Core a lot more on my recent rewatches as a middle-aged Gen-Xer, then I did 15-17 years ago when I was first being amazed that Grand Moff Tarkin did anything else with his career, and that some of it was kind of bada**, for lack of better word.
I thought the in universe explanation was that Barbara, Ian and possibly even Susan wrote the Peter Cushing adventures/movies out of respect (or you know ptsd) for their time with the first doctor... (but made him human to make it more believable).
I love Peter Cushing but these movies are sooo meant for kids. And I like kids movies but ugh
You need to learn the difference between "For kids" and "For Family Audiences".
I loved watching these as a child in the early 1980s. Especially the Daleks Invasion of the Earth. Even with all the episodes and diffrent Doctor's, I prefer the stories that are based on earth cos its more exiting cos it has an element of reality. Wasnt too keen on the alien panet ones.
I actually thought he was the original doctor but I later learned that William Hartnell came first. But yeaah, I often wondered why Puter Cushing is never counted in the Dr Who can on modern day Whoism. I guess its cos he was playing the same doctor as William Hartnell.
But was william Hartnell even a concious time lord? Or didnt he become a regenerating timelord from the 2nd doctor onwards? I guess at the time of the First Doctor, the producers were just focused on the storylines and keeping the show running that they hadnt really planned on replacing William hartnell at the time. So the idea of him being a regenerating Timelord didnt really come about until they needed to replace the actor. Then of course, they just continued it throughout the Doctors. These films would have been made at the time of the First Doctor, so there wouldnt have been any need at the time to make him anything else but an old human man rather than a timelord.