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Hunters are crazy good against dk’s. There range and their ability to jump back and make all shots miss. I think hunter is the hardest to play against as an unholy dk.
Nice job as always sir! Would like to hear your opinion on some arenas strategies, how to play with different combos or a tier list for 2v2 for example. I think overall arena videos could be a good piece of content. Looking forward to your next vid!
Even though Quop is fleeding from duels, he is a very good warrior. Personally, I've learned a lot about the warrior as a class by simply spectating him. My dueling rating improved from 1000 wins and 1000 loses to 1800 wins and 1100 loses.
I mained frost mage in pvp back in wotlk and since the meta is probably going to overwhelmed with unholy DKs I don't remember ever losing to one. Although, the player base has improved their mastery over the class, im sure, which may make it more challenging. I had a wonderful time playing the frost mage, but im wondering what might be better to make unholy cry. I believe there's going to be some absurd percentage, like 45% of the meta playing them.
Hey bro, frost mage is still best 1v1 spec and can kill Dk, but need to be main not a casual frost player because even if Dk miss some cds his gargoyle and diseases are so strong thats apsurd. On top of that AMZ which absorbs around 15-20k dmg..
@@NibbaiWotlk that's how I remember it too. I just dunno if I wanna main mage again. What escapes roots and pull while keeping away with a barrier to ignore pet push back. Ugh. Guess I'm playing mage again.
@@MegaReinart Not really, paladins only get beat by casters in open field, however with loS they are unbeatable if played right. A ret with sm that switches to one hand + shield with bubble can beat anything with LoS.
From my experience in Warmane (Icecrown). I'm not the best pvper out there though, just my opinion. 1- Unholy DK: Other than rets and prot paladins no one has an edge over this class. Some matchups are free win (like all warlock specs). Frost mage is the only caster that has a mediocre amount of chance to win against a unholy DK. And if the DK is good and bis then they most likely win, even against a really good frost mage. 2- Shadow Priest: This class has no real counter other than unholy DK, which is a bit unfortunate because that's the best duel spec. Feral druids and pve geared rogues are tricky, but with high res this spec is actually tankier than one might expect from a cloth wearer. 3-Sub rogue: This spec is just hard to play and only a select few can play it to perfection. Paladins are hard counters, especially if they have specced into eye for an eye talent and use ret aura you basically kill yourself while they are sacred shielding themselves and chilling, because rogue has no healing. Other than that sub can win against anyone but it requires huge skill. 4-Enhancement shaman: Probably an unpopular opinion, but this spec really delivers in good hands. And i mean GOOD hands are needed for this spec to work because it's probably the hardest one out there. Shaman is already quite an unpopular class and you would be hard pressed to find an insane enhancement shammy though. 5-Frost mage: Like the no 3 and no 4 this is also a very hard spec to play to perfection. On some specs you have only 1 choice and you do that, on frost mage you have much more options, you have the agency = high skill cap. You can try to poly and spellsteal or cast rank1 forstbolt to try and trigger fingers of frost etc. i saw some insane frost mages in the server, in capable hands it's a menace to play against. About arms, without a healer i don't think they are that good, with a healer they are the best though. honorable mentions destro/aff locks, mm hunter, feral druid.
I think arm warrior is the only class wich can beat all the classes, and the highest to skill cap (or the 2nd, being the enhshammy or elemental in number 1)
As blood DK I win 9/10 duels against UH dk. I preffer playing blood because 94% of the world are UH dks, 5% are frost and rest are blood (and blood is more fun to play) ;D however, its incredibly difficult to win against hunters and ele shams if they kite good
@@7Andy77 Yea i haven't talked about blood spec because it's horrible against all ranged classes, it's the easiest spec to kite in the whole game. Very good against melees though.
@@yigitkabaday3179 partially true. Only hunter is extremely difficult to defeat by blood DK. I have no idea how to deal with them. Mage? Only frost, yet it is possible to win. Lock isn't big deal, although affi might be problematic. Priest, yes, but only disci. Druid and sham might be tough if they kite really good. But in general you are right, blood is very prone to ranged classes. Yet its still.more fun to play than boring uh :d
Hey! I dont find Paladins topping 1v1 because every single caster will win you if you are equally geared and skilled. They are good against Melee classes, but hey its not enough for top 5 classes un my opinion. Preg paladins are something different, i dont include them in list at all. Destro lock,Affliction lock,Elemental shaman, Frost mage, Fire mage, Even arcane if make position with low resilience, High arp skilled MM Hunter.. juat too many hard classes to play against. Also he is not so dominant against Ferals either
@@aciuschristophores7789 Main difference between duels and 1v1 events is the usage of lign of sight"los" as 1v1 events mostly accure in arena, and that makes paladins nearly unkillable if they know how to play and swap weapons, so it would be a very different list, for exemple ele shamans are not the greatest in open duels, but with lign of sight they are nearly unstoppable and maybe the best class.
@@blayck8666 Ahh thanks a lot mate then that's such an unrealistic environment! I feel Duels are also unfair to Hunters right as they cannot endlessly kite as they'll accidentally forfeit out of the Duel range xD
@@aciuschristophores7789 it would be broken but again you have world pvp, you can always enjoy kiting people arround infinitely while u spam /lol on them haha
Yes for dueling is really good class, but you have to practice to deal with Platers and some other specs, but when learned u can beat almost all classes. Im not sure for arena, but i dont think Enha is that good spec for casual players and beginners in arena.. in 2s i think it can be good like with 1 or 2 classes
Nibbai, once mastered and with high gear/ARP, can Sub Rogue beat 'normal' platers like Ret Pally and normal DKs (not Blood) and normal resilience Arms Warrior? And even if so does it rely too much on the 5-min Preparation Cooldown each time?
@@NibbaiWotlk Awesome thanks nibbai, and do you NEED Preparation skill each time you face them or can you also beat them without? since preparation is so long 5minute cooldown!
Sub rogue with arp wins against blood DK if the rogue know how to keep in stun and silence and disarm and stuff. Amount of dodge makes you quite safe against blood DK. However, if u're unlucky and a blood manages to crit you it might be a problem. But this is rather rare situation XD sometimes you can defeat a rogue by somehow surviving his attacks and slowly kill with diseases, ghoul and DC and DaD. But u need to be out of stun in the first place xD
Best in open field 1v1? Frost mage, Destro/Afflic warlock, Unholy DK, Shadow priest. Ret paladin also but they are better in 1v1 with line of sight. Best in 1v1 with pillars/arena/line of sight? Ret paladin, Shadow priest. Sometimes Unholy DK, but usually Ret paladin is better. Ive been playing warlock in WotLK 1v1 for over 10 years and ive never met a DK that I cant beat. I am not saying I am unbeatable vs DKs, but warlock can win DK if he gets good burst or kites well. Ive found there is no such thing as a "best class for 1v1". Its more like a group of classes that are good at 1v1. It all comes down to who plays better that day and how good you are at playing your class/spec in 1v1.
i noticed for feral druid you have the addon, is it cheese?(that adds the green HuD) i downloaded that but couldnt figure out how to make it show for predatory swiftness (instant cast spells) any help would be much appreciated since im looking for a good HuD to show PS
great job! I'm not sure which class to level up, between priest, warlock or DK to play 50% Pve and 50% PvP, I would like your opinion, what do you think?
All 3 specs are viable for pvp and pve. Shadow priest or Dk would be my suggestion. Unholy Dk in PvP beast and all 3 specs are good for PvE. Priest also, Discipline and Shadow extremelly viable in Pvp and pve. Warlock destruction very good for pvp but not viable for pve
@@NibbaiWotlk thank you my friend. I ask this, because I love playing with these classes and lately I don't have time to level up, so I need to choose one of them to be able to focus and enjoy the game more. So would your recommendation be Dk and Priest? everyone says that Warlock is strong for both PVE/PVP, it makes me confused lol, I would like to get the best of the class I choose. Your work is fantastic and helps a lot, thank you for your opinion my friend
@@isaquemarechal i would personally only recommend plate users if you can obtain shadowmourne if not stick with either lock or priest, both destro and affliction are specs which when you reach mastery are very sufficient in duels, arenas and bgs, if you like to heal tho then priest is the way to go. Nibai also plays in warmane/Blackrock but if your interested in pve content alongside pvp make character in icecrown realm. Hope you enjoy the game
@@Parsa_Rj in icecrown how is the population? in bgs and pvp who does better horde or alliance? and as for pve how is it? I don't know what the server is like!
i really hope for blizzard to Ban shadowmourne in arena rated pvp when Classic wotlk comes. As well as the warglaives in TBC. Games is just unfun to play in Icecrown patch just cus of shadowmourne. Warrior and DK are already strong classes but giving them a weapon like shadowmourne puts them over the top by a significant amount which makes the game unfair and unfun to play. The fellow pvpers that played in warmane for years and are NOT maining DK/warrior know what i am talking about. Game is like super good before ICC patch and in ICC patch it suddenly becomes a shadowmourne fest... especially in 3v3 with warrior/dk/pala x2 shadowmourne.
@@NibbaiWotlk yes and for years people have been asking for nerfs and reworks.. bla bla bla, but i think that it isn't neccesary.. honestly, it isn't. Shadowmourne and 1 or 2 trinkets are what puts those plates over the top. But i won't go into details to talk about the problem of the trinkets in pvp.. Just shadowmourne. It's a really simple fix that doesn't effect the most important aspect of wow, the pve, but makes pvp MUCH better, way more fair and way more enjoyable. And honestly the warglaives in tbc are not THAT different. Legendary items should just not be allowed in rated pvp enviroment.. u can still have fun and rek people in bgs if u want... just not in rated arenas.
@@Slaughtermedicine i have played this game for far too long, i've achieved above 2k raitings with a few characters and i've talked with MANY pvp people over the years. I have used the SM on both warrior and DK, and i had it used against me on mulitple toons in my 10k+ arenas i've played on this expansion. I've watched many tournaments as well. And the conlcusion with every person who knows his shit and played this game long enough is always the same. SM is a problem, the fact that u just get it in warmane for just 100$ is just enhancing the problem. The thing is SM is that it gives a ridiculusly unfair advantage and it boosts classes that are already fundamentally strong. And a guy would say " yes but if it's not P2W, and u work for it, why shouldn't you have this advantage since it's a.. significant grind". And the answer is : Yes it should give an advantage.. it should give it to you in every way possible EXCEPT the rated pvp, the competitive scene... Cus the last couple of tournaments i watched were fucking hilarious.. watch them and see for yourself. If you don't think that SM should be removed from competitive pvp, then u obviously didn't play the game long enough or you're using it urself and u're having too much fun with it. If this is not the case then i'd like you to explain why do u think that my suggestion to remove SM from rated pvp is wrong.
@@akhsdenlew1861 this is a problem since for ever with this game, gear playing too much of a big role in pvp instead of it being about skill, gear should give you cosmetics only or at best a 5% advantage, not 50, 100% more burst. Also Arena gear making you stronger in BG's never ever made any sense, its just stupid, these are different content for different specs, players, classes.
I do respect your opinon but i have to disagree in many things as a pvper myelf. for exemple you talk about arms warriors being one of the best duelers, for me i do believe that they are one of the worst dueling classes, if not the worse.
I absolutely agree, almost every skilled player with other class can beat em ,only casters got a bit problems cuz of spell reflect,they may kill their selves and sub rogue just have to be careful cuz they got so many deff cd,s and cuz of the stupid rend 😃
I don't think the warlock is hardest than the warrior, i would put the warrior as 8 or even 9 of overall difficulty because it needs a lot of macros and keybinds to be used correctly... the stances and multiple abilities makes it a class very hard to control.
Warrior is simple class for simple people. They have easy dmg rotation, no pet to manage or CC to worry about. They are not good at supporting team. If warrior did not scaled so well with gear they would be bottom tier class. Warrior is also easier to play then shadow priest at high level.
Okay so, i dont want it sound smartass or criticise your conclusions. Just giving my opinion basing on my exp. In 1v1 tournaments actually destro and affli locks win the most games. And seems like dks are simmilar to frost mages - they have different tactic for every matchup. Then dks and pregs. High skilled shadow priest should win against high skilled sub rogue if both have full cdies and there is no los. If no los, priest always win against sub on second fear (with los rogue can obviously force cdies one by one and reset) (based on what ive gathered after playing rogue and shadow on blackrock; got to some high 2s rating and did some bgs so i dont think im that much mistaken). I would say feral (ferals should awlays win against shadow tbh if they use berserking properely), mutilate rogue and dks and affli locks (this one is the hardest matchup if you dont fake cast consistently; ofc bad locks will let you fear their dog but against decent affli and/or destro lock you should be always losing; with LOS these matchups are A LOT easier though) are the biggest counters for shadow. With rest of classes i pretty much agree. And ye, there is kinda huge difference between bad/average and good frost mage. If played properly they can even win against dk. And hehe, you could include damn annoying meme specs such as blood/unholy dk with infinitive healing and low but consistend dmg or prot warrior (especially early in the game they are stupid op).
Why you think shadow priest is S tier above a frost mage or sub rogue or even feral/hunter? Most high skilled shadow priests tell me its impossible to beat a mage if they play right or a sub rogue. Even a feral druid gives them trouble too and disc. But, what do I know I just started getting into playing shadow are you a high rated shadow priest player yourself?
@@devwadehra9896 ive been playing wow and private servers since the release of the game and sp in wrath was unquestioned the 2nd best 1v1 class after dk. i can see sp losing to mage in an open area without pillars but in a arena layout, sp would dominate. and yes feral is a huge counter to sp but overall sp comes ontop against most classes.
@@imvveoh Are there any specific dueling builds for shadow priests or races that fare better in duels? Are you playing wrath classic rn as a shadow priest?
Mm hunter high end gear. 1v1 win "nearly" everything. Skill level needed: maining hunter from vanilla or being in Homerjay tier and have macro for everything + great micro Management. This means using every skill/spell you have in right order. Pet (crab) talents too Weaknesses: bleed out high resi builds like preg, uh dk with defensive gamestyle (def trinkets, high res.) Blood dk.
Blood DK is a weakness of mm hunter? Please tell how to win with hunter as blood, coz imo hunter is the most difficult class to defeat in this case. Even frost mage doesn't seem to be that much of a problem
@@7Andy77 high resilience hybrid blood dk with absorb trinket using all cooldowns and playing bleed out defensive. Its hunter racing with his dmg versus his own hp. Outcome is hard to say.
Nice video, maybe BiS Prot Warri also deserves a mention. Insane burst potential and tons of CC while needing to performe less stance dancing than an arms warri (you only need like 3 stance changing related macros).
Nah, its easy class to play but its limited class, it is good for fun and very strong but for serious PvP nah. Also can be good in some 3v3 comps in arena
With max skill, I mean insane skill, top class for duels are frost mage at first place and second is feral druid. Max skill frost mage can kill everything 1v1, it's insane.
The enigma of frost mage: is it the worst between the best? Or the best between the worst? ps: i just love Mage Frost, period. (nice vid man, one year later haha)
Its top 3 of best 🤣 But its "worth mention" instead of actual place because you either sucks with frost or you are beast. Its hard to beat majority if matchups of you are average player
this video is awesome, thank u so much Nibbai As a pvp enthusiast, was wondering what would be good class for arenas 2v2 double dps when lich king comes out (dont like healers in 2v2) i was thinking in Rogue or Feral or maybe even a Hunter because i love hunters. Can you or anyone give me a recomendation for that purpose between those 3 classes?
@@NibbaiWotlk Damn you didnt mention Thug Cleave (Hunter & Rogue) 😞 i guess im going to test Feral on Warmane then! it works wonders between the 3 classes i love! Thank you so much for answering, im going to stay in touch with your channel!
Btw i agree for this list like im love with dks its just satisfy to me to hit somebody with a big crit and just kill him in 2 sec but i dont agree on difficulty bcs there are still things you need to know like when to pop icebound anti magic shell or anti magic zone but still its good list great content
you do not beat dks and palas 1v1 as warr... its literally the worst dueling class, rogue dogs you, any ret with 1h+ shield for bladestorm dogs you, any udk with chains binded dogs you, any decent mage dogs you, even locks are impossible if they just spec demo, sp if he manages to get even swp up before you charge is very challenging, warrior is the only one that is piss easy to beat because you can just intercept opener trinket his charge and charge him, enha is also difficult I don't know why is warr on a top dueling classes list
I agree that Warr loses to Pala and Dk, but really skilled BiS Warr is able to kill Dk more easily than in lower gear. Paladins yes, easy lose. I mean i didnt really see much "skilled" DKS who can keep that good deadzone all the time. But i see couple of guys maining Warrior and its really hard to beat when guy really knows what he is doing. They are killing average dks with 1hand. If you dont main Warr its is utter shit for dueling but if you spend whole life its deserve mention at least. If i made this video today i wouldbt set him in top 5 i would definetely put MM hunter there. Enha meh, can beat anyone i saw that but im sure Main warr,dk are killing them. Icebound and kill wolves gg, Warr shield block kiting killing wolves with revange
@@NibbaiWotlk I'm just saying it's a lot easier to get to the skill cap with warr because it's so easy to play than it is to onetrick mage or rogue or even dk compared to it, and on icecrown atleast bis vs bis warr v dk doesn't go well kek. try finding certainty or vetonb in durotar if they still bother playing they are some of the best dks, cert doesn't even have sm and I still couldn't get him below half hp but still good job on the video it caters to the classic hype and is relevant for over 90% of people who want to pvp in wrath
I prefer playing Blood DK because it's difficult to play but way more fun than UH And its less than 1% of DKs population I guess xD I eat most of UH DKs and all kind of warriors (prot with arp are the most difficult of warriors) which are quite praised in this video. However MM hunter, a good sub rogue, well kiting ele sham are veeeeeery difficult to defeat in Blood build. FR mages used to be undefeatable, but I've figured out how to fight them. Sometimes a good lock with succ, disco priest or ret pala are problematic. I've also noticed that many players get very angry when they lost to a Blood DK and call me names...
@@NibbaiWotlk it can :) I won many times with fr mage. its not easy, but it's easier than winning with hunter imo ;p I have no idea how to deal. With them as blood dk
So why the hell are feral druids so low on the list when they hardcounter and arms war, dk, mage (really good frosts have chances). And why is an fmage a counter for ferals wth? Also arms warrior only belong on the list when you are talking about plane field 1v1. In 1v1 Arena arms war loses to every class in the game. Warlocks also belong much higher on the list because although they have a high skill ceiling when you are good at it, almost nobody will be able to kill you.
I agree arms warrior is very good on BGs and 2v2 / 3v3 arena, but they are literally the easiest class to kite and humiliate in duels. If you are losing to arms in 1v1, you have no clue what you are doing lol
I like that you knew you ha to put frost mage and make it clear that if you don't shine with him, you totally suck because it is completely strategic and gear dependant. You can't just play with him and get better if you don't try hard
Affy warlock is way better in 1v1s than desto lock, how much warmane have you played? Highest sustain, better cc, high dmg, list goes on, desto 1v1 is gimmicy at best, desto requires actual support, we are talking about duel situations.
Thanks, but im curious why ppl keep talking about Disc priest as a dueling class? I mean isnt Holy paladin counter for all classes then? Its healing spec not dps, so its not included in this video 😁
hi bro I am Korean and have a lot of experience winning 1 vs 1 competition Among them, I like the Wotlk version the most The reason is not because the wotlkrogue is strong, but because the wotlkrogue is the most technical But I don't agree that Wotlk Rogue is strong at 1 vs 1 Rogue is too much of a disadvantage and a weak class in a 1 vs 1 game between professionals Because in order for Wotlkrogue to win other classes, it is necessary to lower resistance and increase Armor Penetration But other classes can increase reservation setting Because of this, if other classes counter-set to beat Rogue, Rogue cannot win I played 24,000 times in 1 vs 1 duels in the Warmane server and won 19,000 times I couldn't find Rogue better than me on the warmane server I have a 90 percent RvR win rate and a high win rate with other classes. But that's because the other classes are not pro But 1v1 duels between professional level players are very disadvantageous Please understand that it is difficult to convey meaning by using a translator because I do not know English well There's a duel video on my UA-cam channel
Haha i understand u bro and i trust you. Im far away from a pro player and if i can trust someone that should be Korean man 😁 Btw whats your name on Warmane? All the best mate!
@@goldenmemes51 Hi bro I'm sorry I don't play league of legends, only wotlk pvp Personally, I only play wotlk rogue because the technical and difficult pvp of wotlk rogue is fun.
well if we talk about bis geared and master player with really high skill cap, i think frost mage and sub rogue are really good, but what i hate about some specs is that no matter how good are u and what is ur build u just dont have chance vs some specs, shaman boomy ret pala and even fire mage are like this
These lists are very problematic to make, the only thing all ppl agree is UH DK. Everything beloq first ppace is problematic, yes frost mage can acutally beat everyone but his skillcap is insane, i mean its not normal to set him on 2nd place knowing that 3% of Mage population can play that class on that level. Other thing is that every class will have their easy and their hard enemies. Paladin can beat most of these classes in top 5 but losing against almost all casters.
Neither 🤣🤣 Kidding. Both are extremelly hard to play properly. If you dont master them you will be well exposed and hard to beat anyone. At least rogues can win all casters even even unlike Warr. But you will have hard time with paladins
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Hunters are crazy good against dk’s. There range and their ability to jump back and make all shots miss. I think hunter is the hardest to play against as an unholy dk.
Good evening, tell me what do you think the spec of the hunter in 3.3.5 is more suitable for pvp?
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You are awesome man!
I love how you add timeframes on your videos💕
Nice job as always sir! Would like to hear your opinion on some arenas strategies, how to play with different combos or a tier list for 2v2 for example. I think overall arena videos could be a good piece of content. Looking forward to your next vid!
Yeahhh, next top5 for bggss and arerna 😁
Yeah maybee 😁
+1 for that!
To je to majstore! Vole ljudi liste vise nego leba da jedu. Bice hit! :D
Haha video od tebe.. ti malo malo pa 50k pregleda za mesec dana.. imas njuh za kontent nema sta 😁 pozz
Oh wow are you guys from the same country also? :D
@Acius yup 💪
@@NibbaiWotlk 2 Serbian Legends!
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Btw Quop is a guy who is running from duel zone when hes about to lose, so thats partly the reason he has that duel score.
Even though Quop is fleeding from duels, he is a very good warrior.
Personally, I've learned a lot about the warrior as a class by simply spectating him.
My dueling rating improved from 1000 wins and 1000 loses to 1800 wins and 1100 loses.
@@kristiyanayvazov255 Didnt say anything about his skills. Just that its one of the reasons why he has such a low duel lost score.
how to find his page
love ur vids mate
Ty mate!
Nice list and video my guy! absolutely agree with you.
So fucking good video bro good job, im waiting bg and arena top5 ..
Thanks mate! 😁
what a great and hard work you did, respect.
Thanks mate! 😍
Bro ive been waiting long for that video
I mained frost mage in pvp back in wotlk and since the meta is probably going to overwhelmed with unholy DKs I don't remember ever losing to one. Although, the player base has improved their mastery over the class, im sure, which may make it more challenging.
I had a wonderful time playing the frost mage, but im wondering what might be better to make unholy cry. I believe there's going to be some absurd percentage, like 45% of the meta playing them.
Hey bro, frost mage is still best 1v1 spec and can kill Dk, but need to be main not a casual frost player because even if Dk miss some cds his gargoyle and diseases are so strong thats apsurd. On top of that AMZ which absorbs around 15-20k dmg..
@@NibbaiWotlk that's how I remember it too. I just dunno if I wanna main mage again. What escapes roots and pull while keeping away with a barrier to ignore pet push back. Ugh. Guess I'm playing mage again.
Great video as always ❤️
Thanks!
Hey im a new player to Wow, which classs do u recomend for pvp? Ive been Watching your videos, but dont know what class to play
Bait on the pally icon ? Hehe nice vid
Hey Nibbai, what do you think about sub rogue vs unholy dk in 1v1 situation, who would win?
If DK use some tankier build dk wins. If Dk goes with 1k resil, rogue wins
Love your videos man!
Idk if someone asked or had the idea
Can you make a video about top specs in wpvp and rbgs?
Much love💙
Thanks mate! I made a video on random bgs 💪
Nibbai can you supple some insight on wotlk arena meta? From what I can tell warr+pala seem good but what about rogues, mages etc?
In my list feral is a bit higher - maybe replacing arms at #3, but about everything else i'm totally agree)
Great vid! Any chance of a Demo Lock one?
Thank you !
What nameplate/unit frame addons are you using here? Looks good!
Hey check out my latest video about addons
Hey Nibbai, no mention of Ret Paladins? Didn't they dominate all 3.3.5 pserver duel tournaments for the past decade, and still do?
they dominate only against noobs
@@MegaReinart Not really, paladins only get beat by casters in open field, however with loS they are unbeatable if played right. A ret with sm that switches to one hand + shield with bubble can beat anything with LoS.
@@BootTheSystem fucking paladins.. only total imbeciles main that class
@@BootTheSystem I cant imagine a scenario when affli lock loses to pala
As i expected dk first place.. i dont remember killing single DK while i leveled haha
I had same problem in past, i knew something aint right :D
I remember killing a lot of DKs on my SP and feral Druid while leveling. But I don’t think they were that good in PvP.
Hi, really nice video, can you tell me what is the name of the addon that makes nameplates like the warrior in 3:56? :)
From my experience in Warmane (Icecrown). I'm not the best pvper out there though, just my opinion.
1- Unholy DK: Other than rets and prot paladins no one has an edge over this class. Some matchups are free win (like all warlock specs). Frost mage is the only caster that has a mediocre amount of chance to win against a unholy DK. And if the DK is good and bis then they most likely win, even against a really good frost mage.
2- Shadow Priest: This class has no real counter other than unholy DK, which is a bit unfortunate because that's the best duel spec. Feral druids and pve geared rogues are tricky, but with high res this spec is actually tankier than one might expect from a cloth wearer.
3-Sub rogue: This spec is just hard to play and only a select few can play it to perfection. Paladins are hard counters, especially if they have specced into eye for an eye talent and use ret aura you basically kill yourself while they are sacred shielding themselves and chilling, because rogue has no healing. Other than that sub can win against anyone but it requires huge skill.
4-Enhancement shaman: Probably an unpopular opinion, but this spec really delivers in good hands. And i mean GOOD hands are needed for this spec to work because it's probably the hardest one out there. Shaman is already quite an unpopular class and you would be hard pressed to find an insane enhancement shammy though.
5-Frost mage: Like the no 3 and no 4 this is also a very hard spec to play to perfection. On some specs you have only 1 choice and you do that, on frost mage you have much more options, you have the agency = high skill cap. You can try to poly and spellsteal or cast rank1 forstbolt to try and trigger fingers of frost etc. i saw some insane frost mages in the server, in capable hands it's a menace to play against.
About arms, without a healer i don't think they are that good, with a healer they are the best though. honorable mentions destro/aff locks, mm hunter, feral druid.
I think arm warrior is the only class wich can beat all the classes, and the highest to skill cap (or the 2nd, being the enhshammy or elemental in number 1)
As blood DK I win 9/10 duels against UH dk. I preffer playing blood because 94% of the world are UH dks, 5% are frost and rest are blood (and blood is more fun to play) ;D however, its incredibly difficult to win against hunters and ele shams if they kite good
@@7Andy77 Yea i haven't talked about blood spec because it's horrible against all ranged classes, it's the easiest spec to kite in the whole game. Very good against melees though.
@@yigitkabaday3179 partially true. Only hunter is extremely difficult to defeat by blood DK. I have no idea how to deal with them. Mage? Only frost, yet it is possible to win. Lock isn't big deal, although affi might be problematic. Priest, yes, but only disci. Druid and sham might be tough if they kite really good. But in general you are right, blood is very prone to ranged classes. Yet its still.more fun to play than boring uh :d
I think a UA lock is way harder to beat as a spriest than a Unholy dk.
That may just be me tho.
warlock soul-link is good?
Maybe you are not used to like videos but remebember someone has to do it, and he probably loves to see his conent beeing loved
Another amazing video Nibbai! Entertaining and useful and wonderfully edited! Wait but no Paladin? Don't Paladins always win Warmane's 1v1 events?
Hey! I dont find Paladins topping 1v1 because every single caster will win you if you are equally geared and skilled. They are good against Melee classes, but hey its not enough for top 5 classes un my opinion. Preg paladins are something different, i dont include them in list at all. Destro lock,Affliction lock,Elemental shaman, Frost mage, Fire mage, Even arcane if make position with low resilience, High arp skilled MM Hunter.. juat too many hard classes to play against. Also he is not so dominant against Ferals either
@@NibbaiWotlk Ahh that makes a lot of sense, that's true against every kiter/competent caster they face high difficulties. Thanks a lot Nibbai!
@@aciuschristophores7789 Main difference between duels and 1v1 events is the usage of lign of sight"los" as 1v1 events mostly accure in arena, and that makes paladins nearly unkillable if they know how to play and swap weapons, so it would be a very different list, for exemple ele shamans are not the greatest in open duels, but with lign of sight they are nearly unstoppable and maybe the best class.
@@blayck8666 Ahh thanks a lot mate then that's such an unrealistic environment! I feel Duels are also unfair to Hunters right as they cannot endlessly kite as they'll accidentally forfeit out of the Duel range xD
@@aciuschristophores7789 it would be broken but again you have world pvp, you can always enjoy kiting people arround infinitely while u spam /lol on them haha
can u make class pve video for every tier? like surv hunter owns in early and mm on later phases etc.
Sorry, I dont play pve 🤷♂️
I just must watch every your video 🤷♂️
Agree, play class that u love and enjoy :)
Absolutely
Question from a begginer, its enha shaman any good in general pvp? Duels, 2v2, 3v3, 5v5 and bg, how good is it?
Yes for dueling is really good class, but you have to practice to deal with Platers and some other specs, but when learned u can beat almost all classes. Im not sure for arena, but i dont think Enha is that good spec for casual players and beginners in arena.. in 2s i think it can be good like with 1 or 2 classes
Enh is very hard to play but when mastered you can get to around 2200 with a rpala in 2s.
I have problem couse I have no install version and low fps on strong PC. How u did that this game runs so smooth on windows 10
Hey nibbai, can you make in-depth guide for the unholy dk ? That would be awesome
hey i just wanna ask. how about affliction warlock ? not good at pvp ?
Its viable class for pvp but not top 5 for sure
what about boomie? does he get the frosmage treatment or it aint that good?
Its just not top5 dueling spec, its limited if you compere it to others in this list
@@NibbaiWotlk I see. I wanted to learn feral for a while, i will check your guides. Thanks!
Nibbai, once mastered and with high gear/ARP, can Sub Rogue beat 'normal' platers like Ret Pally and normal DKs (not Blood) and normal resilience Arms Warrior? And even if so does it rely too much on the 5-min Preparation Cooldown each time?
I would go with sub, if they go really low resilience they can easily beat all 3 platers if they go normal build
@@NibbaiWotlk Awesome thanks nibbai, and do you NEED Preparation skill each time you face them or can you also beat them without? since preparation is so long 5minute cooldown!
Sub rogue with arp wins against blood DK if the rogue know how to keep in stun and silence and disarm and stuff. Amount of dodge makes you quite safe against blood DK. However, if u're unlucky and a blood manages to crit you it might be a problem. But this is rather rare situation XD sometimes you can defeat a rogue by somehow surviving his attacks and slowly kill with diseases, ghoul and DC and DaD. But u need to be out of stun in the first place xD
nice one! in my opinion
1. frost mage
2. unholy DK
3. destrolock
4. shadow priest
5. maybe feral
how is there no rogue? :D
nice vid
Shadow was so much fun in WOTLK
Best in open field 1v1?
Frost mage, Destro/Afflic warlock, Unholy DK, Shadow priest. Ret paladin also but they are better in 1v1 with line of sight.
Best in 1v1 with pillars/arena/line of sight?
Ret paladin, Shadow priest. Sometimes Unholy DK, but usually Ret paladin is better.
Ive been playing warlock in WotLK 1v1 for over 10 years and ive never met a DK that I cant beat. I am not saying I am unbeatable vs DKs, but warlock can win DK if he gets good burst or kites well.
Ive found there is no such thing as a "best class for 1v1". Its more like a group of classes that are good at 1v1. It all comes down to who plays better that day and how good you are at playing your class/spec in 1v1.
Agree mate in most you said 💪
tell me your top-4?
i noticed for feral druid you have the addon, is it cheese?(that adds the green HuD) i downloaded that but couldnt figure out how to make it show for predatory swiftness (instant cast spells) any help would be much appreciated since im looking for a good HuD to show PS
Yeah it cant show predatory swiftness. Ive tried to find addon for that but i couldnt
@@NibbaiWotlk you can use weak auras (which is quite overwhealming to configure at first) or Power auras
Классный видос. Спасибо😉👌
great job!
I'm not sure which class to level up, between priest, warlock or DK to play 50% Pve and 50% PvP, I would like your opinion, what do you think?
All 3 specs are viable for pvp and pve. Shadow priest or Dk would be my suggestion. Unholy Dk in PvP beast and all 3 specs are good for PvE. Priest also, Discipline and Shadow extremelly viable in Pvp and pve. Warlock destruction very good for pvp but not viable for pve
@@NibbaiWotlk thank you my friend. I ask this, because I love playing with these classes and lately I don't have time to level up, so I need to choose one of them to be able to focus and enjoy the game more. So would your recommendation be Dk and Priest? everyone says that Warlock is strong for both PVE/PVP, it makes me confused lol, I would like to get the best of the class I choose. Your work is fantastic and helps a lot, thank you for your opinion my friend
@@NibbaiWotlk taking advantage of the opportunity, which server does my friend play on and which one I would recommend for lvlup
@@isaquemarechal i would personally only recommend plate users if you can obtain shadowmourne if not stick with either lock or priest, both destro and affliction are specs which when you reach mastery are very sufficient in duels, arenas and bgs, if you like to heal tho then priest is the way to go. Nibai also plays in warmane/Blackrock but if your interested in pve content alongside pvp make character in icecrown realm. Hope you enjoy the game
@@Parsa_Rj in icecrown how is the population? in bgs and pvp who does better horde or alliance?
and as for pve how is it? I don't know what the server is like!
ENHANCEMENT? Possible hard matchup? Difficulty? Counter?? strengths / advantages and disadvantages?
How about ret paldin tgought them was insynen in pvp?
Good vidéo , name addon damage pls
Paladin is the strongest dueling class , the trick is to duel only melee
Não, a grande maioria dos Rangeds. ganham do paladino.
Tell it to my warrior or feral 🤣🤣🤣
They can't even do shit on my hunter and rogue.
ret paladin weak in duels ?
No fire mage?
how much arena points i can get per week max?
Hey watch my PvP gearing guide
Who can kill resto druid ?
i really hope for blizzard to Ban shadowmourne in arena rated pvp when Classic wotlk comes.
As well as the warglaives in TBC.
Games is just unfun to play in Icecrown patch just cus of shadowmourne.
Warrior and DK are already strong classes but giving them a weapon like shadowmourne puts them over the top by a significant amount which makes the game unfair and unfun to play.
The fellow pvpers that played in warmane for years and are NOT maining DK/warrior know what i am talking about.
Game is like super good before ICC patch and in ICC patch it suddenly becomes a shadowmourne fest... especially in 3v3 with warrior/dk/pala x2 shadowmourne.
Yeah these Plate classes are op mostly cuz of SM. Warr with SM and PvE set just deals enormous dmg.. its not normal
@@NibbaiWotlk yes and for years people have been asking for nerfs and reworks.. bla bla bla, but i think that it isn't neccesary.. honestly, it isn't.
Shadowmourne and 1 or 2 trinkets are what puts those plates over the top.
But i won't go into details to talk about the problem of the trinkets in pvp.. Just shadowmourne.
It's a really simple fix that doesn't effect the most important aspect of wow, the pve, but makes pvp MUCH better, way more fair and way more enjoyable.
And honestly the warglaives in tbc are not THAT different.
Legendary items should just not be allowed in rated pvp enviroment.. u can still have fun and rek people in bgs if u want... just not in rated arenas.
sm is not problem , the problem is p2w lol
@@Slaughtermedicine i have played this game for far too long, i've achieved above 2k raitings with a few characters and i've talked with MANY pvp people over the years.
I have used the SM on both warrior and DK, and i had it used against me on mulitple toons in my 10k+ arenas i've played on this expansion.
I've watched many tournaments as well.
And the conlcusion with every person who knows his shit and played this game long enough is always the same.
SM is a problem, the fact that u just get it in warmane for just 100$ is just enhancing the problem.
The thing is SM is that it gives a ridiculusly unfair advantage and it boosts classes that are already fundamentally strong.
And a guy would say " yes but if it's not P2W, and u work for it, why shouldn't you have this advantage since it's a.. significant grind".
And the answer is : Yes it should give an advantage.. it should give it to you in every way possible EXCEPT the rated pvp, the competitive scene...
Cus the last couple of tournaments i watched were fucking hilarious.. watch them and see for yourself.
If you don't think that SM should be removed from competitive pvp, then u obviously didn't play the game long enough or you're using it urself and u're having too much fun with it.
If this is not the case then i'd like you to explain why do u think that my suggestion to remove SM from rated pvp is wrong.
@@akhsdenlew1861 this is a problem since for ever with this game, gear playing too much of a big role in pvp instead of it being about skill, gear should give you cosmetics only or at best a 5% advantage, not 50, 100% more burst.
Also Arena gear making you stronger in BG's never ever made any sense, its just stupid, these are different content for different specs, players, classes.
Can you share some best 22s 33s comps 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 will be good with your suguestion
I miss old unholy for real. I was that dk everyone hated on cuz I was -the hero class -
good job
I do respect your opinon but i have to disagree in many things as a pvper myelf.
for exemple you talk about arms warriors being one of the best duelers, for me i do believe that they are one of the worst dueling classes, if not the worse.
I absolutely agree, almost every skilled player with other class can beat em ,only casters got a bit problems cuz of spell reflect,they may kill their selves and sub rogue just have to be careful cuz they got so many deff cd,s and cuz of the stupid rend 😃
Lets do it like this, what kind of pvpers are you two? I mean where do you play, how much and whats your dueling w/l ratio? 😁
@@NibbaiWotlk I agree with both of them, im a 2.4 r2 feral druid on wow circle.
Thanks commrade 😁
My list would be(before watching this vid):
1. UH DK
2.Shadow priest
3.Sub rogue
4.MM Hunter
5.Warrior
Good list 💪
Is there any expasion where rogues dont make into top 5?
I don't think the warlock is hardest than the warrior, i would put the warrior as 8 or even 9 of overall difficulty because it needs a lot of macros and keybinds to be used correctly... the stances and multiple abilities makes it a class very hard to control.
Warrior is simple class for simple people. They have easy dmg rotation, no pet to manage or CC to worry about. They are not good at supporting team. If warrior did not scaled so well with gear they would be bottom tier class. Warrior is also easier to play then shadow priest at high level.
for warrion "feral druid must be tricky" haha depend if there is a pillar or no, in arena warrior have no chance haha
Okay so, i dont want it sound smartass or criticise your conclusions. Just giving my opinion basing on my exp.
In 1v1 tournaments actually destro and affli locks win the most games. And seems like dks are simmilar to frost mages - they have different tactic for every matchup. Then dks and pregs.
High skilled shadow priest should win against high skilled sub rogue if both have full cdies and there is no los. If no los, priest always win against sub on second fear (with los rogue can obviously force cdies one by one and reset) (based on what ive gathered after playing rogue and shadow on blackrock; got to some high 2s rating and did some bgs so i dont think im that much mistaken). I would say feral (ferals should awlays win against shadow tbh if they use berserking properely), mutilate rogue and dks and affli locks (this one is the hardest matchup if you dont fake cast consistently; ofc bad locks will let you fear their dog but against decent affli and/or destro lock you should be always losing; with LOS these matchups are A LOT easier though) are the biggest counters for shadow. With rest of classes i pretty much agree.
And ye, there is kinda huge difference between bad/average and good frost mage. If played properly they can even win against dk.
And hehe, you could include damn annoying meme specs such as blood/unholy dk with infinitive healing and low but consistend dmg or prot warrior (especially early in the game they are stupid op).
No mate, you are free to comment with your opinion and arguments. If you are XPed in LoS envirement there is nothing i can add there. Cheers 😄
the s tier for duel classes is only reserved for spriest and uhdk, nothing else comes even close.
Good hunter
@@NibbaiWotlk no not even close
Why you think shadow priest is S tier above a frost mage or sub rogue or even feral/hunter? Most high skilled shadow priests tell me its impossible to beat a mage if they play right or a sub rogue. Even a feral druid gives them trouble too and disc. But, what do I know I just started getting into playing shadow are you a high rated shadow priest player yourself?
@@devwadehra9896 ive been playing wow and private servers since the release of the game and sp in wrath was unquestioned the 2nd best 1v1 class after dk. i can see sp losing to mage in an open area without pillars but in a arena layout, sp would dominate. and yes feral is a huge counter to sp but overall sp comes ontop against most classes.
@@imvveoh Are there any specific dueling builds for shadow priests or races that fare better in duels? Are you playing wrath classic rn as a shadow priest?
Mm hunter high end gear. 1v1 win "nearly" everything. Skill level needed: maining hunter from vanilla or being in Homerjay tier and have macro for everything + great micro Management. This means using every skill/spell you have in right order. Pet (crab) talents too
Weaknesses: bleed out high resi builds like preg, uh dk with defensive gamestyle (def trinkets, high res.) Blood dk.
Agree everything u said
ye mm hunter is sick in duels
Blood DK is a weakness of mm hunter? Please tell how to win with hunter as blood, coz imo hunter is the most difficult class to defeat in this case. Even frost mage doesn't seem to be that much of a problem
@@7Andy77 high resilience hybrid blood dk with absorb trinket using all cooldowns and playing bleed out defensive. Its hunter racing with his dmg versus his own hp. Outcome is hard to say.
@@osmajormonen2193 haha OK. The point is to survive a hunter as I understand. Thanks, I will try it
I saw one or two frost mages on blackrock realm barely losing any duel. It clearly depends on the player skill level.
If you watched whole video you would see what i said about Frost mages :D
@@NibbaiWotlk i watched the whole thing, like always
Next top 5 most fun pvp spec according to you
how about list of classes for bg's?
najjaci
so far most of my world pvp experience in warmane was being ganked by lvl 80 allies while im lvling
i heared hunters are the strongest dueling classes, how comes they are not even in your list
They should be, they are surely top 5
Nice video, maybe BiS Prot Warri also deserves a mention. Insane burst potential and tons of CC while needing to performe less stance dancing than an arms warri (you only need like 3 stance changing related macros).
Nah, its easy class to play but its limited class, it is good for fun and very strong but for serious PvP nah. Also can be good in some 3v3 comps in arena
@@NibbaiWotlk Imo it's more difficult to defeat prot war than arms, but maybe I've never got to serious pvp ;D
Great editing but prefer YT stuff to be verbal rather than txt so I can listen to it
Yeah mate i got mic now, pity i didnt have on that vid 😑
With max skill, I mean insane skill, top class for duels are frost mage at first place and second is feral druid. Max skill frost mage can kill everything 1v1, it's insane.
The enigma of frost mage: is it the worst between the best? Or the best between the worst?
ps: i just love Mage Frost, period. (nice vid man, one year later haha)
Its top 3 of best 🤣
But its "worth mention" instead of actual place because you either sucks with frost or you are beast. Its hard to beat majority if matchups of you are average player
Is MM Hunter good at dueling in wotlk?
Yes bro. Can be included in this list
Survival hunter needs to be next!
this video is awesome, thank u so much Nibbai
As a pvp enthusiast, was wondering what would be good class for arenas 2v2 double dps when lich king comes out (dont like healers in 2v2)
i was thinking in Rogue or Feral or maybe even a Hunter because i love hunters.
Can you or anyone give me a recomendation for that purpose between those 3 classes?
Ty! Hey bro, you can try Feral/Rogue, Feral/Hunt, Rogue/Sp, Enhancement/Beast mastery hunt, Enha/Combat rogue etc :D
@@NibbaiWotlk Damn you didnt mention Thug Cleave (Hunter & Rogue) 😞
i guess im going to test Feral on Warmane then! it works wonders between the 3 classes i love!
Thank you so much for answering, im going to stay in touch with your channel!
Btw i agree for this list like im love with dks its just satisfy to me to hit somebody with a big crit and just kill him in 2 sec but i dont agree on difficulty bcs there are still things you need to know like when to pop icebound anti magic shell or anti magic zone but still its good list great content
Ret sucks in duels? I know they are good vs melee. How good are they vs casters?
In normal dueling area without LoS paladin loses against all casters, also ferals make them big problem too
enhcament shaman is really bad ?
No,its pretty good dueping spec. A little bit hard against platers
you do not beat dks and palas 1v1 as warr... its literally the worst dueling class, rogue dogs you, any ret with 1h+ shield for bladestorm dogs you, any udk with chains binded dogs you, any decent mage dogs you, even locks are impossible if they just spec demo, sp if he manages to get even swp up before you charge is very challenging, warrior is the only one that is piss easy to beat because you can just intercept opener trinket his charge and charge him, enha is also difficult I don't know why is warr on a top dueling classes list
I agree that Warr loses to Pala and Dk, but really skilled BiS Warr is able to kill Dk more easily than in lower gear. Paladins yes, easy lose. I mean i didnt really see much "skilled" DKS who can keep that good deadzone all the time. But i see couple of guys maining Warrior and its really hard to beat when guy really knows what he is doing. They are killing average dks with 1hand. If you dont main Warr its is utter shit for dueling but if you spend whole life its deserve mention at least. If i made this video today i wouldbt set him in top 5 i would definetely put MM hunter there. Enha meh, can beat anyone i saw that but im sure Main warr,dk are killing them. Icebound and kill wolves gg, Warr shield block kiting killing wolves with revange
@@NibbaiWotlk I'm just saying it's a lot easier to get to the skill cap with warr because it's so easy to play than it is to onetrick mage or rogue or even dk compared to it, and on icecrown atleast bis vs bis warr v dk doesn't go well kek. try finding certainty or vetonb in durotar if they still bother playing they are some of the best dks, cert doesn't even have sm and I still couldn't get him below half hp but still good job on the video it caters to the classic hype and is relevant for over 90% of people who want to pvp in wrath
I laughed so hard to this video while watching with my bis mm hunter
Why ?😮
Brat moi prejak video nema sta
I prefer playing Blood DK because it's difficult to play but way more fun than UH And its less than 1% of DKs population I guess xD I eat most of UH DKs and all kind of warriors (prot with arp are the most difficult of warriors) which are quite praised in this video. However MM hunter, a good sub rogue, well kiting ele sham are veeeeeery difficult to defeat in Blood build. FR mages used to be undefeatable, but I've figured out how to fight them. Sometimes a good lock with succ, disco priest or ret pala are problematic. I've also noticed that many players get very angry when they lost to a Blood DK and call me names...
Haha every spec is OP when you main it. I guess you are maining Blood, but i really doubt Blood can kill Frost mage 😁
@@NibbaiWotlk it can :) I won many times with fr mage. its not easy, but it's easier than winning with hunter imo ;p I have no idea how to deal. With them as blood dk
So why the hell are feral druids so low on the list when they hardcounter and arms war, dk, mage (really good frosts have chances). And why is an fmage a counter for ferals wth? Also arms warrior only belong on the list when you are talking about plane field 1v1. In 1v1 Arena arms war loses to every class in the game. Warlocks also belong much higher on the list because although they have a high skill ceiling when you are good at it, almost nobody will be able to kill you.
feral counters frost mages in wotlk? since when?
@@alexpoulin6807 Since every decent feral plays with 1200 bauble and arcus in 1v1s
I agree arms warrior is very good on BGs and 2v2 / 3v3 arena, but they are literally the easiest class to kite and humiliate in duels. If you are losing to arms in 1v1, you have no clue what you are doing lol
I've been an arms warrrior for 15 years and I suck
I like that you knew you ha to put frost mage and make it clear that if you don't shine with him, you totally suck because it is completely strategic and gear dependant. You can't just play with him and get better if you don't try hard
Еxactly 💪
Ofc
1. Dk
2. Warlock
3. Cat
4. Shpriest
5. Rpala
No rogue? 😀
@@NibbaiWotlk maybe for warmane, i dont know, i playing at wowcircle, we have 1x1 no one rogue upper than 2000
@@ainuryamalov609 some rogues get higher sometimes by dodging rpala.
Blood/Uh DK os OP in x1 too.
Blood is superior just against melee classes 😀
Affy warlock is way better in 1v1s than desto lock, how much warmane have you played?
Highest sustain, better cc, high dmg, list goes on, desto 1v1 is gimmicy at best, desto requires actual support, we are talking about duel situations.
Nop, destro trash aff
Nice Video ! I think Disc Priest should be mentioned as a hard Counter for Shadow Priests aswell.
Thanks, but im curious why ppl keep talking about Disc priest as a dueling class? I mean isnt Holy paladin counter for all classes then? Its healing spec not dps, so its not included in this video 😁
hi bro
I am Korean and have a lot of experience winning 1 vs 1 competition
Among them, I like the Wotlk version the most
The reason is not because the wotlkrogue is strong, but because the wotlkrogue is the most technical
But I don't agree that Wotlk Rogue is strong at 1 vs 1
Rogue is too much of a disadvantage and a weak class in a 1 vs 1 game between professionals
Because in order for Wotlkrogue to win other classes, it is necessary to lower resistance and increase Armor Penetration But other classes can increase reservation setting Because of this, if other classes counter-set to beat Rogue, Rogue cannot win
I played 24,000 times in 1 vs 1 duels in the Warmane server and won 19,000 times
I couldn't find Rogue better than me on the warmane server
I have a 90 percent RvR win rate and a high win rate with other classes. But that's because the other classes are not pro
But 1v1 duels between professional level players are very disadvantageous
Please understand that it is difficult to convey meaning by using a translator because I do not know English well
There's a duel video on my UA-cam channel
Haha i understand u bro and i trust you. Im far away from a pro player and if i can trust someone that should be Korean man 😁 Btw whats your name on Warmane? All the best mate!
@@NibbaiWotlk This is a Warmane Blackrock server and my ID is Dozeok
If you have a chance, let's play 1v1 together :)
@@dozeok5454 Korean bro do u play league of legends or have friends that play ? What champ do u like
@@goldenmemes51 Hi bro
I'm sorry I don't play league of legends, only wotlk pvp
Personally, I only play wotlk rogue because the technical and difficult pvp of wotlk rogue is fun.
@@dozeok5454 tell me your tier list 1x1???
well if we talk about bis geared and master player with really high skill cap, i think frost mage and sub rogue are really good, but what i hate about some specs is that no matter how good are u and what is ur build u just dont have chance vs some specs, shaman boomy ret pala and even fire mage are like this
These lists are very problematic to make, the only thing all ppl agree is UH DK. Everything beloq first ppace is problematic, yes frost mage can acutally beat everyone but his skillcap is insane, i mean its not normal to set him on 2nd place knowing that 3% of Mage population can play that class on that level. Other thing is that every class will have their easy and their hard enemies. Paladin can beat most of these classes in top 5 but losing against almost all casters.
And now what to play rogue or warr? XD
Neither 🤣🤣
Kidding. Both are extremelly hard to play properly. If you dont master them you will be well exposed and hard to beat anyone. At least rogues can win all casters even even unlike Warr. But you will have hard time with paladins
10:11 - "Not sure about Destro lock?" SH priest counters destro. Affli is much better against SH priests.
Mm hunt
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