Why Count Dooku Isn’t A True Sith! 😱
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- Why is Count Dooku not really a true Sith?
And don’t get me wrong!
Dooku is 100% a Sith but he had other plans that didn’t follow what a traditional Sith would have done!
See, Count Dooku decided to leave the Jedi Order cuz he thought they were losing their way as peacekeepers and cared more about politics.
So leaving that part of his life behind, Dooku was approached by Darth Sidious offering him a chance to become his apprentice in order to build a better galaxy!
This sounded great to Dooku cuz he only wanted to improve the galaxy!
And he saw that joining with Palpatine was the only path to what he says is make a, “Pure Civilisation.”
But of course, Sidious lied to Dooku and eventually sacrificed him like he was nothing!
But Dooku did have good intentions even if he did bad things along the way to try and reach his goal.
And he wasn’t as selfish as other Sith and didn’t have Sith eyes cuz he was motivated by philosophical and political goals rather than rage and conquest!
Count dooku was like the most based character in Star Wars.
Except for all the war crimes
@@jordanbarnhart8548 They make him more even based
@@scientistmilorad9735*cantina music stops*
Count Dooku was also a human supremesist
When he left the Order, yes. Afterwards… Not so much.
He also planned to double cross him as shown in attack of the clones
No. That wasn't the point of that scene. The point of that scene was that he was trying to manipulate obi-wan into joining the separatists by acting oblivious to their crimes. The scene is there to show that he's playing the exact same game as sidious.
@@sausagethegodofcurrynah dooku tried to break the rule of two multiple times in Canon most prominently with people like Savage opress asajj ventress And Quinlan Voss. In Legends he had a whole group of dark Jedi that followed him 🤣
@@Badblood226 Obi-Wan was Qui-Gon's padawan, and Dooku would have loved to take him as his Sith apprentice. Part of him already thought of Obi-Wan as a grandson. You're right that Dooku hoped together they could eventually kill Sidious and take the galaxy.
@sausagethegodofcurry George himself confirmed that Dooku was trying to make Obi-Wan his apprintace. That scene was the prequel equivalent of Vader trying to recruit Luke in ESB
@@corruptangel6793 Dooku didn't entirely share his master's views, but he knew he couldn't take him alone. Your take is an intriguing one.
Slavery existed under jedi watch so he had a point.
They are peacekeepers, not keepers of freedom
@@scientistmilorad9735 well either way they completely failed at both
Dooku literally supported slavery in the clone wars 💀
@@SithMenacehe had an ally that happened to be slaver, he can't unfriend that easily because of how big the republic is
@@henocksherlock3340 I'm talking about when he supported the slave queen in the clone wars, forgot which episode it was.
Darth maul did call this man a sith pretender
And he was told by his master that he was replaced. The only reason Maul survived is because Sidious wanted Talsin. In that case, Maul was the pretender.
@@LawTzuTao yo Darth Sidious x Mother Talzin?
Tbh, I've always thought of Dooku as more of a stand-in apprentice until Sidious founded a true apprentice to pass on the Sith lineage to, which seems to be proven true when he intended to replace him with Anakin after Anakin killed him.
@@Dylan-f2e I think EVERY apprentice was just a temporary one to Sidious. He killed his master who trusted him too much and swore he would never trust his apprentice where they could do the same to him
So it was inevitable that every apprentice would die if they followed Palpatine
He never intended to pass his sith lineage to anyone as he wanted to become immortal
@@matthewsharpe393Every Sith Apprentice is temporary to its Master, and every Master is temporary to its apprentice. One eventually will kill the other. Part of the reason for the Rule of Two was to limit this complete waste of potential.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Now i got to go listen to staind. Thanks
Spec ops the line reference
The road to heaven is paved with bad intentions.
I was looking for this comment
I feel like he’s kind of like starkiller in the sense that he isn’t truly evil just lead by the wrong people and used
We can add General Grievous to that list as well, at least going with the legends version of him.
@@Bumbulers_Bricks in canon he is Pure evil, in Legends he is close, but still retained just enough honor and is motivated slightly by his tragedy, however still is extremly evil person.
@@kacperaskawski3461thank you. People ignore the atrocities he's responsible for. Not to mention, he also knew the Jedi would eventually be eliminated. So he also wanted them dead. He only didn't know his master would betray him.
Starkiller isn’t canon
He left the order to leave politics to join the sith to deal with even more politics xD
He wanted politics wdym bro
But Mundi called Dooku a political idealist before finding out he was a sith. Also, he was a Count. He just didn't agree with the politics of the Republic.
@@hellstrom4209not just the republic but also the Jedi he didn’t like how the Jedi where kneeling to the government all for what ?i think wealth and power who do you think maintained their Jedi ships they’re bills mace windus elecrum light saber ?
He had to join The Senate. 💀
@@hellstrom4209 he was given the name Darth Tyranus, he’s a count by family name. But he was a sith the moment he killed Yaddle and was given the title Darth. Politics or not, he became a Sith Lord
After all these years, this actually makes sense. Dooku was the most honorable in the Clone Wars. In his own reasons
did we watch the same show
@@musiqueaccount2344probably not hahahaha
true but we can say the same for hitler and stalin.
Honestly Dooku has always been more concerned with political ideals than anything else. This is why Dooku would eventually fail as a Jedi and why he would’ve never been truly loyal to the ways of the Sith. His main concern has always been with political corruption and government across the galaxy, this is why he left the Jedi
... From a certain point of view...
his motive has been to overthrow sidious ever since being his apprentice,
also 20 years older than his master is
Dooku was older than Sidious!???
@GoldenJaguar-xy3gn , yeah. In RotS, Palpatine was 63, and Dooku was 20 years older
"You wear the trappings of the Sith. You fight like the Sith. Yet these things can be imitated, however. You lack a vital quality found in all Sith. Sith have no fear. And I sense much in you." -- Count Dooku to Asajj Ventress
Count Dooku was fearless, but Ventress was probably more Sith in terms of motivation.
Honestly that’s just wrong, since some sith do use fear as a means of power (for example Darth Thanatos in the old republic comics).
Sidius fears Vader.
@@josku5 just look at Maul, his fear of Sidious is what drives him but also what keeps him enslaved to the Dark Side
One of the coolest moments in Clone wars were, when Dooko had sith eyes a couple of times when he used force lighting
The road to hell is pathed with good intentions as the saying goes
U don’t need to comment just for the sake of commenting
@@fgagaerhjhjyfyjfyyjkf What are you doing?
It’s relative
The main maxim of the Sith is to pursue one’s passion
Not all Sith are conquerors by motivation
In Canon, Lord Momin was at heart an artist
Despite all the havoc he done, at his core he’s an artist.
Also while most Sith believe that the Force serves them. Momin believe in serving the Dark Side, not unlike how Jedi believe in serving the Force
He followed his own passion, that motivated him to do all the horrible things he did to even after he died
Dooku as Darth Tyranus is no different
His passion was always to bring peace and order to the galaxy. And at least as a Jedi to serve the people of the Republic, as he believed Jedi were supposed to
Dooku was both a Sith and a Jedi
At his core, he never stopped believing in the Jedi’s goal to bring peace to the galaxy and serve the people
He felt the Jedi lost their way and became pawns to a corrupt Republic that no longer deserves them
Dooku became a Sith to fulfill his goal. To create an utopian autocratic Empire that would still the voices of corruption with its authority, as the flaw of democracy often gives voice to corruption
He rather if Jedi led the galaxy, as their connection to the Force makes them enlightened and better equipped to lead
If the Jedi can’t do it then the Sith would lead instead
Besides ruling, Palpatine didn’t actually care for Dooku’s Utopia
He didn’t care about the public good
He wanted an Empire of sycophants that would worship and obey him for all eternity, and would use corrupt forces and nepotism to control his Empire
Palpatine didn’t want to lead, he wanted everyone to follow
Dooku wanted to lead and bring the greater good to the galaxy, and felt the Sith was the only path to achieve it
Dooku didn’t have Sith eyes, because he controlled the Dark Side like a Jedi. He controlled his emotions, he rarely gives into rage. Because he’s in control, the Dark Side doesn’t really dominate him. He’s the closest thing in canon to a Grey Jedi or Sith.
Kylo Ren didn’t have Sith eyes despite his emotional instability because he was between the Dark and Light and was torn apart by the conflict as reflected in his cracked saber. Unlike Dooku who was always in control of himself
He died hoping that the Empire he helped build would bring Order to the galaxy which makes his fate tragic
In my opinion, Qui-Gon hadn't died on Naboo and he and Qui-Gon stayed together they could have changed the Jedi Order
He died on his knees to the very corruption he set out to destroy.
His last thoughts before Anakin ended him was his realization that Sidious had been playing him from day one. Ending with, "Treachery is the way of the Sith!!"
By this logic Sidious didn’t have sith eyes when in front the senate because he controlled it like a Jedi. Everything else you said was spot on but not this. The sith can control whether or not the dark side corruption is visible on their body. Goes far beyond just the eyes but even shows in their veins and the skin. With maul it’s not that he couldn’t have hid his sith eyes, he never had a need to unlike Sidious and Tyranus. Maul wanted anyone who encountered him to know they were dealing with a lord of the sith. And that in fact, other than the Rule of 2, is one of the reasons Sidious went to kill him and Oppress in Mandalore. He’d become way to bold showing and acting as a Sith Lord. Because it wasn’t until he had taken rule of Mandalore that Sidious intervened. All the time before then he didn’t care that Maul crept through shadows like a rat. Sorry that was a tangent but Tyranus is a Sith and there is no denying that fact. And you can’t be a Jedi and a Sith at the same time
Dooku wasn’t a bad guy, nor was he broken. He just had beliefs that the Republic was corrupt, and he was right
BOY! That fight with a blinded Count Dooku against Ventress and the night sisters!
Y’know who was also motivated by philosophical and political goals… Palpatine.
Anyone who genuinely thinks Dooku wasn’t that evil have ironically fallen for the very persona he puts on throughout the Clone Wars era, also I’m pretty sure he had Sith eyes for brief flashes when torturing Savage. It just wasn’t in his best interest to flaunt them for intimidation, don’t want the Separatists thinking you’re a demon puppeting them😅.
He was just following old sith tradition. He just follows the road to overthrow sidious, so yeah not that bad
Only when using the lightning since he had to give into anger to use it as well as the power of the DS
Exactly my point! It seems he tricked people both in universe and in the Fandom
And that’s why Dooku will always be the 🐐
He was a Dark Jedi, technically.
Dark jedi is really just an ambiguous term. though. I don't think anyone knows what it really means. Sometimes people just use it to refer to less powerful dark siders/ assassins trained under more powerful sith masters and other times a dark jedi is just a former jedi who turned to the dark side but don't adhere to sith philosophy. Considering Dooku did have formal apprenticeship under Sidious and adheres to sith philosophy as seen when he trains savage oppress, I would consider him a sith, albeit a more unconventional one.
He is Darth Tyranus, the title Darth is only given to a Sith Lord. And it was Darth Sidious who granted him the title. A dark Jedi would be closer to those who woul relate more to Mace windu or Baylan Skoll. Jedi or once Jedi clearly not aligning with the sith IN ANY WAY but not afraid to use the dark side of the force in battle or practical use
This is one of most biggest misunderstanding in Star Wars. Dooku was just as selfish and evil as Maul. It is true that Dooku turned to the darkside because he saw it as a mean to a better society but he became corrupted by the darkside. In the times of the clone wars he lusted for power above all else and gained personal wealth from robbing systems. He was not better than any sith. As for the sith eyes I think he just hide it like Sidious did it. In clone wars we can see Dooku's sith eyes for a few times in moments when he intensively uses the darkside.
Dooku cared not for wealth. The wealth and trappings of royalty were just for the benefit of wearing the mantle of Count and political leader. It is explained in Dooku: Jedi Lost that he actually doesn't care about riches.
Maybe so, but the rest of this guys point stands true. Dooku did some pretty evil things during the Cloen Wars, he was definitely not the same idealist that left the Jedi Order.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 It also involves murdering his sister who was nice to him along with his father and brother
I feel like you could call him a gray sith
"The Jedi have become politicians"
*Proceeds to become a politician
Dooku was like an American Founding Father, still participated in a few questionable acts but was fighting for a better galaxy
Btw he had sith eyes however he didn't had all time Because he wasn't entirely on the dark side like Maul or Sidious
As the old saying goes the pathway to hell is paved in good intentions
Of all Sith in Star Wars canon, I feel like Dooku had the most justified intentions of them all
Dooku was a fallen twisted jedi but ultimately he still had jedi decipline and saw his sith ways as a means to an end that he saw as noble. He didn't have the bloodlust and raw ambition indicative of true sith.
Oh yes, he did!! BLOOD LUST: Geonosis, massacre of the Jedi in the Arena. The orders he gave to Greivous, Ventress, and other Separatist Leaders to commit Genocide. Assassination attempt on Jabba's son.
AMBITION: Becoming the Apprentice to Darth Sidious. Becoming the Leader of the Separatists (CIS). And planning on killing Sidious once the Empire was created.
You might argue that giving orders to underlings doesn't qualify as blood lust. In that regard, that would mean Sidious isn't a true Sith, considering he picked up the communicator and said, "Execute Order 66" having the clones do the actual killing.
This was the Rule of Two Sith. Everything had to be done from the shadows with great cunning and great secrecy. Traits that both Sidious and Dooku performed brilliantly.
Dooku was how a Sith should be.
like how Gandalf was Saruman, or how Saruman should have been...
"Why count dooku isn't a true sith. Now of course, he is a sith but-"
He left for a good reason, and he was right in the end. But he got corrupted by the dark side’s power. Though he rarely fully tapped into it.
Dooku wasn t good character but not 100% bad. He was just weird but super cool
when we are kids, we love heroes as we become adults we understand villans
Dooku is an complex character who deserved a lot more movie time
He also did NOT kill the person he cared about most, which is the final step to be considered a true sith.
Imagine a Sith with ILLUMINATED red eyes
He’s more of a fallen Jedi/ Dark Jedi if you ask me. Definitely not a typical Sith dogmatic in his understanding of the force
I never realized that he didn’t have Sith red eyes
He did have Sith eyes in some moments, like when he was electrocuting Savage.
My favourite episode was where Dooku said “it’s dookin’ time”
For a character randomly slotted into the cast for attack of the clones, this guy got some crazy development as the years went on.
Dooku is one of my personal favorite siths
The video is good, thanks! 👍🙂👍
I only have one correction. Dooku had Sith eyes in at least one situation (throwing Force lightning at Savage Opress in a training session).
"The walk to hell is paved with good Intentions."
The thing is, Dooku was pretty much just misunderstood.
Hmmmm...I wonder if we can apply that to Sidious or maybe even Hitler.
@rrgale55 dude wtf no wtaf did you just say...
@@EatThatTTV Exactly!!
true, the old Republic was disgustingly corrupt long before the clonewars and Dooku knew it
“You are part of the Sith council, but we do not grant you the rank of Sith eyes.”
He’s just a politician playing the war like a game of chess
1. Lord Tyrannus was a Sith. There's no argument. He received his name. If you officially receive your name as a Dark Lord, you are Sith.
2. He has Sith eyes throughout TCW.
perfectly said lol
Right. I understand he wants to give more information throughout the video. But the title is a huge misdirect. And it’ll lead the fan base those who don’t know definitely in the wrong direction.
Whether you think Darth Vader is the best Sith or not. I honestly think Dooku had the best Sith name. TYRANUS!!! Like what a name that’s hardly spoken across the movies or animated series 😮 perfect name for someone that will spread tyranny
@@bradleyward8013 I agree.
Okay, but that's what makes him such an amazing character
Dooku is honestly the embodiment of the old adage that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Same could be said for Darth Vader. All he wanted was to control the outcomes of everything.
Well, Darth Vader brings up “Power to the Dark Side” throughout the Original Trilogy any Star Wars book, or comic, or game related to that trilogy. So I hardly call Vader not a true Sith when he basically is.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios yes that’s true. My point was that Anakin Skywalker was always trying to save everyone and control everything and he thought if he had enough power that he would be able to, and that’s what led him to the dark side. The emperor was different, he just wanted power for the sake of control, and he was pure evil. Darth Vader started out with altruistic intentions. I think it’s a real eye-opening concept about altruism.
You can make an argument that any Sith we see on screen aren't true Sith, but they still are.
He was still given the title of Darth Tyranaus
He was like Thanos, only did the bad things to gain good things.
If Count Dooku was a real sith then everybody should have called him with his sith name but nope both side light and sith called him dooku that shows he is not original sith he pretended to be sith because dooku was able to control his emotions that's why he never fall to the dark side he used sith as a shield to hide his plans and himself
Sith control their emotions. The only difference between them and Jedi is jedi control their emotions to remain calm and make the right decisions, while Sith harness their emotions and use them as a weapon to fuel their power.
Sidious did call Dooku by his Sith name. At every turn.
The reason the Jedi didn’t call him by his Sith name was because they didn’t find out he was Darth Tyranus till the end of the war. Whenever Palpatine is in his Sidious’s persona he always refers to Dooku as Tyranus. The other separatist didn’t call him that because he had a public image to maintain where if the galaxy found out Dooku was a Sith his persona of reasonable noblemen would be ruined.
"Good is a point of view, Anakin. Who says that a person who looks outward [Jedi] sees more than a person who looks inward [Sith]."
-ROTS Novel
Dooku was a good man that happened to come too soon . The Jedi order was not yet ready to listen,to humble itself ,and ultimately this spelled the fall of dooku. He would have never fallen if he was listened and understood and probably he would have saved the galaxy in that case . A sad story
"Count Dooku was a visionary!"
I always thought it would be cool to have a storyline about a good sith to make it so it’s not just good and evil but more how they get and use the light as dark side
Why they make Dooku look like Morn from DS9 on that cartoon?😅😂
I believe dooku was following one of the most literally interpretation’s of the road to hell was paved with good intentions
Reminder to the people saying dooku wasn't a bad person: if he survived into the age of the empire he wanted to genocide all non-human species.
The road to Sith Hell is paved with good intentions.
So Dooku is basically a Grey Jedi.
If only Obi-Wan listened and investigated when Dooku said that a Sith is in the senate
Count Dooku was someone who embraced the dark side of the force but simply didn't let it consume him
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Same reason sheev didn't have sith eyes while in office they hide it
He is quite similar to saruman as he only joined sauron as he saw it as the only way to defeat him
I'm curious what Dooku would have done if he learned of Maul.
Dooku
- doesn't like the Jedi getting involved in politics
- follows a sith master whose goal is to become the the ONLY politician in the galaxy
He's one of my favorite characters. Dooku didn't hate the Jedi but the Republic. It would have been better for Dooku to just be a Dark Jedi and not affiliate himself with the Sith at all. He would have accomplished more had he not joined with Sidious.
He had his own agenda
He had sith eyes in the clones wars
In the sifodias episode he had red south eyes
I hate auto correct
@@zacharyknight3012 all good lol
He was actually the smart one out of Maul, him, and Sidious. Sidious was too obsessed with power and control while Maul was too controlled by his anger from how he was raised and trained. Dooku was able to control his own emotions and become like an almost sith version of Qui-Gon. He showed a lot pf strength if you really think about it and realize that he joined Sidous for years and nvr became a full sith while Anakin did within days of betraying Mace as shown by his eyes on Mustafar after he kills the separatist leaders.
Ironic that he left the Jedi because they cared too much about politics, but he joined the sith and he started Caring too much about politics
Dooku is more of a Dark Jedi in my eyes than a proper Sith
the dark side did corrupt him a lot tho, like the guy went from brutally killing people who actually deserved it to brutally killing just about anyone he felt like killing
Dooku didn't have sith eyes other than the times he had sith eyes.
Yes he didn't act like a sith lord because he had exterior goals, but he did hold the title, he was officially a real sith lord.
Count Dooku may be the only sith who wasn't evil
Tfw Dooku may have been the only Sith to use force lightening with a sense of benevolence and purpose in his heart instead of anger
Plus, Dooku never got the Sith eyes meaning he never truly immersed himself in the Dark side. He just used a little bit of force lightning here and there 😂
One of the few things I didn't like about the Clone Wars cartoon was how Dooku was portrayed. Based solely off his screen time in AotC, the guy really didn't seem all that evil. More indifferent. He certainly wasn't a proper Sith. He just wanted reform. I mean, he literally told Obi Wan what was going on. Why do that? It certainly doesn't seem like part of Sidious' grand plan. More like he wasn't entirely sure about Sidious either and was trying a third route. I can't help but wonder how things would have gone down if Obi Wan had listened to him instead of just dismissing him. I'd love Marvel to do a Star Wars: What if...? story around that.
Leaves the Jedi for being too political, proceeds to become a politician, Sith logic.
He may be bad guy, but he is not bad *guy*
He also never deformed because the rate of deformity for sith is dependent on their use of the dark side. Sidious engrossed himself within the dark side and how he looks at the end of return of the sith was his true face all along. Dooku preferred lightsaber combat to the force and thus rarely if ever relied on the dark side.
From what I heard (it's maybe from this channel, idk), Dooku's final goal was to build a better galaxy with Sidious with Anakin at the lead of the empire's army.
He was a revolutionary Sith Lord.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Dooku was not a decent man. Not even close...
-leaves jedi order because they became to political
-becomes a politician
Dooku was one of few truly good characters
his force power is really strong. a great duelist but not as great as Obi Wan, who never lost a saber duel. had to take out obi wan with force power. this is why obi wan was wise to do a 2 on 1 teaming with Anakin.
Dooku as emperor would have made for a much safer galaxy
I think Dooku has potential to become President of the Republic. Why he not joining the Republic instead of Sith when he leaves Jedi Order? 🤔🤔
Ends justifying the means is absolutely a traditional Sith aspect. Countless sith became Sith because of "good" intentions
He’s a fallen Jedi
The Jedi had child soldiers. Ahsoka was only 14 and made her a commander in the clone wars. I really hate the way nobody in universe explicitly says how the Jedi are corrupt, instead they just dance around it making it seem like they're overreacting
I love being the daughter of Count Dooku & Mother Gothel
When I watched the Clone Wars as a kid, I always supported the Confederacy, every episode I waited for CIS to win and every time I was sad when they lost. And so it has been for 6 seasons.
The road ro Hell is paved with good intentions.
Also the stupid old goat was loyal to his master even to his own detriment, that alone makes him unqualified to be viewed as a sith.
Count Dooku wasn't a true sith because he was never officially knighted, nor did he follow the path of the dark side.
I feel like unlike most sith who draw from anger fear and hatred Dooku drew from pride. In the end in consumed him entirely sadly.