Last season and this season there were no teams in the east playoffs under .50. Overall last year the east actually the better conference. If they manage the teams right they can easily surpass the west because they are starting to get older
As a conference, the Western playoff teams, won 44 more games than the East. Every team in the west, except the 8th seed (who tied), had a better record than their Eastern Counterpart... That doesn't equate to better in my book.
Sure, but championships matter. In the '10s the East and West split evenly the championships. Sure you can say it was Lebron going to the finals every single year, but it's not like Boston in '11 and the Pacers in '12-'13 were bad. You could turn around and point at the Lakers and Spurs who won all the West championships in the '00s. In fact, if Boston hadn't been robbed of that game 6 against Miami (flagrant foul against Rondo was a no-call) they probably would have beaten that dysfunctional Thunder team.
Deonta B relook 😂some of the top eastern players went to the west and west has Lakers TrailBlazers Kings Suns both looking like future contenders east is just bad cause most of there cities aren't pulling free agent cause no one wants to live in Charlotte or live in big city like New York anymore
ComaAlpha like Orlando, Miami lol ? The city of New York (Knicks, Nets), big franchise like Boston, Bulls, Philadelphia... or again excited cities like Atlanta... yeah warmer climate is a first reason...
5:10 “at least lebron is still in the east so they’ll have at least one contender for the foreseeable future *cuts to Giannis” and they have some great young talent” Man this hasn’t aged well
@@1vaultdweller The EC was loaded during MJ's era. It was more top heavy in the 80's with the Celtics especially. Also the Sixers in the early part of the decade and Pistons later. But in the 90's you had a deeper pool of talent. It was incredible to watch.
@@lainiwakura4678 No it wasnt. From 90 and 98 between 40 All-NBA first selections only 5 of them played for East besides Bulls players. From 90 and 97 the league average points per game went down by -10. The talent pool was so bad NBA had to take steps and shorten the 3 point line.
@@1vaultdweller They shortened the 3 pt. line hoping it would create more offense. That's what the league has been trying to promote for a long time now, to its detriment imo. But you act as if the game was in a bad place. In fact it was booming like never before in the 90's and grown into a global sport. Magic & Larry saved the league from bankruptcy and then Mike blew the lid off. And oh btw they moved the line back the next season as it proved to be a failed experiment. The 2nd half of the decade the talent did dilute, and then got worse in the 2000's. Now that was a weak era. The OG's from the 80's and 90's left and imaginative basketball went with them. And devolved into iso "hero ball" by a new generation of athlete, like AI. The same type of ball they played in the 70's when the league was dying. The best era was 80-93, after the Dream Team and MJ's first 3peat. And the EC was clearly better, deeper, and were dominating the rings for a reason. 1st team selections is a very myopic criteria to judge by. It was obvious to anyone alive to see it for themselves what the better Conference was.
I hate that it is like this. At least be like what the East was from 2008-2014. Im not asking for both conferences to be exact equals, but at least be somewhat competitive like before. Seeing Butler and PG get traded to the West made it ever worse. It seems like LeGM is the only GM in the East that can build championship teams lmao.
Celtics, Magic, Bulls, Cavaliers, Heat, Knicks and Pacers all were good teams. Like I said, I'm not asking for it to be an all out battle, but let the playoffs be exciting at least. Seeing the Cavs sweep away all the teams ain't fun. The Heat had some tough series before reaching the Finals, Cavs don't.
Jay 2014 was one of the most imbalanced seasons in recent memory. The two seeded heat (who won the conference) had the same record as the 5 seed Blazers, despite the Blazers having much harder competition. The Pacers and Heat were the only two good teams and the Pacers choked in the playoffs.
zach Horvitz also the west and east in the 90s was pretty even.you can arguethat outside the bulls the west might have been a little better.. rockets with hakeem and their cre, Utah with Malone and skocton hornacek, Seattle with Payton Kemp schrempf, phx with kj Barkley marlje, San Antonio with David Robinson, etc...
Basically, it all boils down to the big man and style of play. Going back before the league was dominated by point guards, it was a big mans game. The west had all the big men while the east had all the guards(look at 2001 NBA Allstar game for reference). It's easier to build a contending team around a big than a guard. As far as style of play, the west was historically a "run and gun", finesse, offensive type of style, while the east was rugged, hard nose, defensive minded. Because of this, teams from both conferences reflected that. Eastern teams felt if they had a guard and defense, they had a shot. But once that guard gets hurt or leaves, the team suffers. A great example of this is the 2001 NBA Finals. The Lakers had not only Kobe but Shaq and a great team around him. The East had AI and that's it. It's been like that ever since. Nowadays, the west with an already better team are adding one or two superstars from the east, not only making them seem impossible to beat, but they're killing a conference in doing so. The remaining superstars left in the east feel either A: join a loaded team or B: team up with other superstars and create one.
jipeon All I want to say is that you are correct. In the 90's, the conferences were different in those terms..West: Offensive minded, run-n-gun, 100-120 points games, track meet style, hardly any defense. East: Defensive minded, slow tempo, Under 100-80 point games..sometimes 80-60, use all 24 sec to get a shot off plus make em play 24 sec of defense.
The west has also has some pretty great luck with the draft. Somehow they always sneak into the 1-spot when a franchise talent like Anthony Davis, KAT, Blake Griffin, Durant/Oden or Zion comes along. Then the East has it's power house teams lose it's star players to knee injuries like KG and Rose.
The East was the better, stronger conference as a whole overall compared to the West during the '80s & '90s. But, since MJ retired , the East has been the weaker overall conference compared to the West the past 15 -18 years.
Jordan made the East competitive because they had to draft and sign players to atleast compete w the Bulls dynasty but once he retired they lost that fire 🔥
Dzonikola it is right.. OKC also have that problem.. It just compensate with their GMs great pick ups.. Its hard to compete with the big Markets.. Boston and Miami are the only teams who can make an offer..
@@robertolebron2296 Chicago? Yes. Big market. Detroit? No, mid-small market. Big markets in the East are NY, Brooklyn, Philly, Miami, Chicago, Washington, Boston, Toronto. Pretty much the entire Atlantic Division and then a few from the other Eastern Divisions. In the West. The Big markets are LA Lakers/Clips, Houston, Dallas. That's it. The other ones are mid-small markets.
I've been bin watching your videos man and I think you do a great job! You don't cornball it up, curse, or make lame jokes in attempt to make your video "better". Keep it up and you gotta new subscriber bro
East is now pretty good now with guys like Giannis, Irving, Siakam, Butler, Walker, Embid and soon Durant running the show not to mention guys like Simmons, Brown, Tatum, Young, Lowry, Olodipo, Sabonis, Vucivèic, Dinwidde, Lavine, Vanvleet, Drummond, Capela, Graham, Beal, Wall, Rose, Griffin, Randle, Middleton & Adebayo
Another reason is that Lebron has been the best player in the league for a while as well as Jordan was for a while. That forced many players to sign with Western teams in FA.
I don't buy the LeBron reasoning. He is 3 and 5 in the finals and has been underdog in the finals at least 5 maybe 6 times. People avoiding Lebron to go face better competition doesn't make sense to me.
This reasoning does not fly at all. If players choose to run away from competition then they should not join the West where the competition has been harder.
Sinan Lal your so right you see why nobody could of touch jordan and know LeBron because just them two players along can make everybody in the conference go bad
Andy Hoops - I have been involved in basketball a good part of my life as both a high school and college player and coach and I must say your analysis is spot on! I've been a strong advocate of taking 3 or 4 of the strong teams from the West and shifting them to the Eastern Conference in order to create more balance and healthy competition for the overall good of the game. After all, their are at least 7 or more teams in the West that are as good as or better than the top 2 teams in the East. But, alas, I'm afraid it will never come to pass.
This is pretty simple when you think about it. In the 90s all the good players left the east so they didn't have to face MJ. Then they started coming back slowly, then Lebron showed up so everyone started leaving again. And if a guy like Ben Simmons, Giannis, Michael Porter, Markelle Fultz, etc becomes the next dominant player everyone avoids ends up in the east will get even worst.
Rasuke11 foh the east was ass. The bulls was the most stacked team in that era. If you say the Knicks and Pacers were good enough to beat them then you played yourself
Highschool LBJ better than Overrated MJ The fuck are you talking about 90's basketball? Clearly you are like 13 years old. And yes, the East was as good as the west in the 90s. Jordan was just that good.
I like the video. The one thing most videos fail to include is the lack of management in the East. They draft stars and then trade them away for nothing rather than to let them mature. One thing someone mentioned is the West Coast life and cities are much more relaxed. In the East , there may be a lot of pressure from media and fans to do something now, now , now. Notice how the west teams just rebuild by, draft , FA , etc And then emerge ?Seems like the East teams don't have the patience to do the same. 76ers have been an example but the injuries to their guys have been rough.
The East is gonna dominate the next 15 years. All the young talent is in the East now. Look at Philly, Knicks, Bucks, Bulls, Wizards, Celtics, and the Cavs just got younger and may add a lottery pick.
The .500 teams in the west that didn't make the playoffs get lottery picks. The .500 teams in the East makes the playoffs, and don't get a lot of lottery picks.
@@charlescooks9360 Yup. Similar to what happened back in the '80s and '90s. When it was the other way around. East teams with winning seasons missing the playoffs. While the West had teams with losing seasons making the playoffs. Until the shift changed in the 2000s. Also, most of the West franchises front office is better run compared to the East since then. The Spurs drafted well during their down yrs/lottery tho (mid-late '80s and '97). They almost always do.
Nice video man. It's kind of funny that my friend and I are playing 2k19 as expansion teams and we both moved to the east. We're in 2024 and our teams are finally near the top plus the 76ers, pistons, and pacers are usually better than the majority of teams in the west. The top team in the west is the bucks (we moved them) and LeBron went back to the cavs who are also still contending. Boston and the nets are strong as well. In general the east is better and when we worry more about more teams there when we make the playoffs. I know it's a video game but with years in the future it's funny how the league has changed
Andy Hoops, you make some good points with this video, but I'd like to add a couple of points to the discussion: 1) Prior to the advent of social media, marquee free agents got the most exposure by going to larger media markets. This greater exposure would lead to increasing the awareness of these players' brands. Today, players don't have to go to a market like New York because they are able to get their brands out to the masses through social media and the internet. Furthermore, the market that a player plays in is less important than playing in higher profile games. Players are looking to play for better teams regardless of where they are located because the higher profile games will raise brand awareness. 2) The NBA has a systemic problem on its hands with the way that it is currently constructed because better teams are rewarded with higher draft picks. In the 2014-2015 NBA season, the New Jersey Nets were the #8 seed at 38-44. By comparison, the 45-37 Oklahoma City Thunder, 39-43 Phoenix Suns, and 38-44 Utah Jazz were better teams (even though Utah had the same record) but they were rewarded with better draft picks for not making the playoffs in the West. This current system is what is perpetuating the Eastern Conference being the weaker conference. The NBA could solve this by playing more of a balanced schedule and having the best 16 teams make the playoffs regardless of the conference. In doing so, the best teams will make the playoffs and the weaker teams will get the better draft picks to improve. However, this will likely not happen any time soon because 75% of the NBA owners would have to approve the change, and a lot of those owners are concerned with their own self-interests rather than improving the NBA as a whole.
From 2008 to ~2015 the east and west were somewhat balanced, at various times the celtics, cavs, bulls, pacers, heat, and even magic were title contenders. The east then dropped off when the celtics and magic traded their stars, the pacers and bulls fell off, which just leaves lebron's team.
60's - EAST (West didn't win one time all through 1960 - 70) 70's - DRAW (from 1970 - 80 each conference got 5 chips) 80's - EAST (1980-1990 Celtics x3, Sixers, Pistons x2) 90's - EAST (Bulls 6 championships) 00's - WEST (Lakers x4, Spurs 3x ) 10's - WEST (Warriors x2, Spurs, Mavericks)
Dude. I haven’t been much of an NBA guy since the Bulls and MJ. I’m a huge Carolina guy. I do watch a bit of the playoffs. But love your videos man. Keep up the great work sir.
Fast forward to years later since 2019, the Eastern Conference has shown drastic improvement thanks largely to former Western Conference All-Stars Kevin Durant and James Harden among others.
with Magic the thing was: Penny Hardaway suffering injuries, Nick Anderson have a horrible game that ruin his carrer, the Magic dont give Shaquille O'neal the contract he deserve back then (ok, they do gave the contract, but it was too late, the Lakers offering him what he wants and so.. he's gone to LA) and Horace Grant was already old
@Vitor Hara 1995 Orlando Magic: Shaquile O"Neal ( age 23 ), Penny Hardaway ( age 23 ). MJ returned after an almost two-year break, the Bulls had a terrible record: 34-31, he did not have chemistry with the new players on the team. 2014 Nba Finals. Kawhi Leonard ( age 22 ) - FMVP . Kawhi was not even a star in 2014, unlike Shaquille O"Neal, who was already a superstar in 1995. Derrick Rose ( age 22 ) - 1x MVP ( 2011 ) 2018 ECF: Rookie Jason Tatum ( age 19 ) vs Lebron James. Still needed 7 games to beat the Celtics.
those two points are yes, not obvious but has good and solid foundations. maybe, the market in the west and reputation it built as tough and winning conference are other things. EXCELLENT JOB!
If you look the number of NBA champions in the three point era it's split about evenly between East and West. The overall win losses heavily favor the West though. This could have a lot to do with the time zone difference. West games starting at 7:30 and ending around 10:15 are actually 10:30 and ending at 1:15 in the morning for those East players. Of course other factors are at play too, but East will always be at a steep disadvantage on the schedule.
It goes in cycles. Back in the day the east was much better. Dr J - 3 titles. Larry Bird 3. Isaiah Thomas -2. Michael Jordan -6. The East was way better than the West. The Showtime Lakers had absolutely no competition in the West during this era. Similar to LeBron's Cavs.
A lot has to do with the Playoffs and the way it affects the draft. Teams that make the playoffs get later draft picks. The West has had teams that don't make the playoffs that would if they were in the East so those West teams that have better overall records and miss the playoffs get a higher draft pick than a East team (with a worse record) that made the playoffs. Years and years of that will cause one side to be better.
Exactly! Sleep walk through the lame East and get totally slapped in the Finals. Making that adjustment from playing the top team in the East to playing the best in the West was just too much to ask.
the main reason the west is better Is because free agents want to play for big/nice cities (Oakland,LA & more). the only nice cities in the east are Miami, Orlando, and New York.
I always feel western conference does better as they are more attractive in free agency. When I was an exchange student in the US I prefer the west coast compared to the east coast, of course my comparison was Auburn vs Santa Barbara but in general west coast seems more lively and dynamic with more diverse group of people whereas East coast just seems so industrious, if we use it as reference more eastern executive just use hype as the guide to scout whereas in the west, they find the one who is a right fit for the organization which eventually draw top free agents. And for the players, the environment in the west coast I describe would be more preferable as these guys are millionaires and would wanna spend their money
In that same span of time from when Jordan retired up to 2011, only 2 Western Teams won championships. The Spurs & Lakers. It wasn't until 2011 until the Mavericks, who were the only other Western Conference team to make the Finals in that span became the 3rd different team to win.
The disparity is mostly due to the fact that most of the All-NBA squads play for the West, but even draft rules are helping to keep some of the balance of power out West. Each season, 7 East teams and 7 West teams get lotto picks, unless picks were traded. So, even though a couple of those West teams are actually better than the low playoff teams in the East, they get better draft picks. In 2015, the Thunder were better than the East's 6th, 7th, and 8th seeded teams, but got to pick before any of them. In 2014, Phoenix won 48 games, and if not for trades would've picked ahead of 4 East playoff teams. In 2013, Utah was better than ATL and Boston, who had lower draft picks. Etc. Eventually, it'll turn around, but it gets pretty ugly. Just imagine how ugly it really would've looked if the NBA played a completely balanced schedule and you played every team the same number of times.
Fast forward to 2023 the wet western conference is inferior, it is ludicrous that the nuggets only needed to finish 53-29 to get home court advantage throughout the playoffs for the first time in franchise history. The Suns only needed an abysmal 45-37 record just to be a top 4 seed.
When people try to figure out how to fix the NBA playoffs, I always jokingly say "just take the 9 & 10 seed in the West, and put them in place of the 7 & 8 in the East". This video almost makes it a legit solution.
It's hard not to see why the east is bad no one wants to play there cause of Lebron the GMs there are terrible at drafting and trading and plus players would rather live on the west coast the eastern conference is always dominated by one team
Musa Abdikadir players go to where the money is at and/or where the best chances to win is at. it has nothing to do with lebron. they would have to face it at some point so it really doesn't matter. plus a lot more western teams have been dominant more the LeBron's team
Warriors are way more dominant in the west and before that Kobe's lakers and Duncan's spurs were dominating the west so your point doesnt make any sense.
Another factor to consider is injuries and declined performance. D-Rose got injured, severely weakening the Bulls. 76er's top draft picks were injured, the 2012 Knicks were good on paper, but they couldn't perform on the court. Deron Williams degraded, Bynum was sent to the East and basically disappeared. Before Dwight was traded to LA, he was already injured.
How can you not bring up the Celtics when talking about the future of the east? I mean, they're nothing more than a team that just made the conference finals, added a top 3 draft pick AND signed an all star. No big big deal? Huh.
Let’s not forget.. in the west you have teams like Dallas, Houston, Los angles, Bay Area, Portland, Denver, Utah are the cities these teams play at. In the East Chicago, New York, Boston &Miami (Orlando I guesssss) are the only cities people ACTUALLY live. So the fan base is naturally going to be smaller in the East
But look at the standings lets just say the kings a almost 500 team in the west but arent making the playing but the pistons have the same record and are tied and could be tied with 3 teams in the heat and magic
The east has sucked for approx. 10 years. Back in Jordan's day, the east was tough with the Bulls, Pistons, Knicks, Pacers and Cavaliers. But today, the east is awful and it got worse with George leaving.
um think again buddy there has been at least ONE eastern conference team in the finals for the last 30 years soooo
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It gets ridiculous when west teams above .500 don't make it to the playoffs and east teams under .500 do
Last season and this season there were no teams in the east playoffs under .50. Overall last year the east actually the better conference. If they manage the teams right they can easily surpass the west because they are starting to get older
As a conference, the Western playoff teams, won 44 more games than the East. Every team in the west, except the 8th seed (who tied), had a better record than their Eastern Counterpart... That doesn't equate to better in my book.
Sure, but championships matter. In the '10s the East and West split evenly the championships. Sure you can say it was Lebron going to the finals every single year, but it's not like Boston in '11 and the Pacers in '12-'13 were bad. You could turn around and point at the Lakers and Spurs who won all the West championships in the '00s.
In fact, if Boston hadn't been robbed of that game 6 against Miami (flagrant foul against Rondo was a no-call) they probably would have beaten that dysfunctional Thunder team.
Deonta B relook 😂some of the top eastern players went to the west and west has Lakers TrailBlazers Kings Suns both looking like future contenders east is just bad cause most of there cities aren't pulling free agent cause no one wants to live in Charlotte or live in big city like New York anymore
Bob Saget 2020 true, but instead of 16 teams i want it 14 teams giving the top 2 with a bye on the first round(owners disagree of course).
Kawhi was drafted by the Pacers but was traded to San Antonio for George Hill. Another trade that turned out to be one-sided in favour of San Antonio
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It’s actually not one sided because the pacers needed a PG and G hill helped them tremendously brother.
welp they on the same team now lol
@@kvngcjgaming5559 drafted guy that was a long term help vs traded for the guy for a short term help.. Big difference buddy, big difference
@@chickenponpon3651 now he's on the Clippers
Short answer: if you have the option to live in warmer climate, you will.
ComaAlpha like Orlando, Miami lol ? The city of New York (Knicks, Nets), big franchise like Boston, Bulls, Philadelphia... or again excited cities like Atlanta... yeah warmer climate is a first reason...
@@Cosmic_Cretin as a Canadian I agree with the guy that said heat was better
@@Cosmic_Cretin How many Canadians play basketball? The conferences shape up different in Hockey.
Cosmic Cretin as a Canadian i hate the cold
Short answer 2: Cold is better than hot
5:10 “at least lebron is still in the east so they’ll have at least one contender for the foreseeable future *cuts to Giannis” and they have some great young talent”
Man this hasn’t aged well
@Your friendly neighbor that eats KFC LeBron be like fuck this
😂this made me die
LeBron is in the west...
@@chickenponpon3651 you are very very intelligent
Lebron literally held down the east for the past decade
To add to shame, the NY and Chicago might be the 2 largest markets in the East and are the ones with the worst GMs
Chi-town's got it going on, and don't get me start on the Big Apple.. they never sleep.
question: why the west is great?
answer: coz the best players are drafted or traded to the west.
you dont say
When Jordan retired that’s when it went down
Dexter Blackwood Nah MJ played in a weak east too. It's the 80s when east was better
Kenneth Donnelly no he didn’t lol
@@1vaultdweller The EC was loaded during MJ's era. It was more top heavy in the 80's with the Celtics especially. Also the Sixers in the early part of the decade and Pistons later. But in the 90's you had a deeper pool of talent. It was incredible to watch.
@@lainiwakura4678 No it wasnt. From 90 and 98 between 40 All-NBA first selections only 5 of them played for East besides Bulls players. From 90 and 97 the league average points per game went down by -10. The talent pool was so bad NBA had to take steps and shorten the 3 point line.
@@1vaultdweller They shortened the 3 pt. line hoping it would create more offense. That's what the league has been trying to promote for a long time now, to its detriment imo. But you act as if the game was in a bad place. In fact it was booming like never before in the 90's and grown into a global sport. Magic & Larry saved the league from bankruptcy and then Mike blew the lid off. And oh btw they moved the line back the next season as it proved to be a failed experiment.
The 2nd half of the decade the talent did dilute, and then got worse in the 2000's. Now that was a weak era. The OG's from the 80's and 90's left and imaginative basketball went with them. And devolved into iso "hero ball" by a new generation of athlete, like AI. The same type of ball they played in the 70's when the league was dying.
The best era was 80-93, after the Dream Team and MJ's first 3peat. And the EC was clearly better, deeper, and were dominating the rings for a reason. 1st team selections is a very myopic criteria to judge by. It was obvious to anyone alive to see it for themselves what the better Conference was.
I hate that it is like this. At least be like what the East was from 2008-2014. Im not asking for both conferences to be exact equals, but at least be somewhat competitive like before. Seeing Butler and PG get traded to the West made it ever worse. It seems like LeGM is the only GM in the East that can build championship teams lmao.
08-14 wasn't even competitive. Yes there were contenders but there wasn't any real danger to the west aside from big 4 boston and LeBron's teams.
Celtics, Magic, Bulls, Cavaliers, Heat, Knicks and Pacers all were good teams. Like I said, I'm not asking for it to be an all out battle, but let the playoffs be exciting at least. Seeing the Cavs sweep away all the teams ain't fun. The Heat had some tough series before reaching the Finals, Cavs don't.
I see what you're saying. It's just ridiculous that most of my life the West has been shitting all over the East.
Jay 2014 was one of the most imbalanced seasons in recent memory. The two seeded heat (who won the conference) had the same record as the 5 seed Blazers, despite the Blazers having much harder competition. The Pacers and Heat were the only two good teams and the Pacers choked in the playoffs.
Lrod Shrek pacers were good by East standards.
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80's was not a tie lmao, the West was terrible
Right, the Lakers was like the Cavs today!
Jay facts, the west only had the lakers and maybe you could argue the rockets
zach Horvitz also the west and east in the 90s was pretty even.you can arguethat outside the bulls the west might have been a little better.. rockets with hakeem and their cre, Utah with Malone and skocton hornacek, Seattle with Payton Kemp schrempf, phx with kj Barkley marlje, San Antonio with David Robinson, etc...
Josh R but the East won 7 rings in the 90's to the West's 3
Basically, it all boils down to the big man and style of play. Going back before the league was dominated by point guards, it was a big mans game. The west had all the big men while the east had all the guards(look at 2001 NBA Allstar game for reference). It's easier to build a contending team around a big than a guard. As far as style of play, the west was historically a "run and gun", finesse, offensive type of style, while the east was rugged, hard nose, defensive minded. Because of this, teams from both conferences reflected that. Eastern teams felt if they had a guard and defense, they had a shot. But once that guard gets hurt or leaves, the team suffers. A great example of this is the 2001 NBA Finals. The Lakers had not only Kobe but Shaq and a great team around him. The East had AI and that's it.
It's been like that ever since. Nowadays, the west with an already better team are adding one or two superstars from the east, not only making them seem impossible to beat, but they're killing a conference in doing so. The remaining superstars left in the east feel either A: join a loaded team or B: team up with other superstars and create one.
jipeon great insight. This is a deeper understanding than the obvious which is stated in the video.
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jipeon All I want to say is that you are correct. In the 90's, the conferences were different in those terms..West: Offensive minded, run-n-gun, 100-120 points games, track meet style, hardly any defense. East: Defensive minded, slow tempo, Under 100-80 point games..sometimes 80-60, use all 24 sec to get a shot off plus make em play 24 sec of defense.
It seems like the west always get the best front office personnel
yo they may have had pop (goat) but the east has nick nurse and masai ujiri
Who the hell is the second person. Nick nurse ain’t no pop/kerr
“Atleast Lebron is still in the East!”
*Lakers enter the chat*
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The west has also has some pretty great luck with the draft. Somehow they always sneak into the 1-spot when a franchise talent like Anthony Davis, KAT, Blake Griffin, Durant/Oden or Zion comes along. Then the East has it's power house teams lose it's star players to knee injuries like KG and Rose.
The East was the better, stronger conference as a whole overall compared to the West during the '80s & '90s.
But, since MJ retired , the East has been the weaker overall conference compared to the West the past 15 -18 years.
Even with Jordan and a young Shaq the east would still lose in the All-Star game.
All Star gm? Who cares lol
Jordan made the East competitive because they had to draft and sign players to atleast compete w the Bulls dynasty but once he retired they lost that fire 🔥
@@MrEOM41 This is very true.
Easy answer: better franchises in the west
Adam Tizani nope
Dzonikola it is right..
OKC also have that problem.. It just compensate with their GMs great pick ups..
Its hard to compete with the big Markets..
Boston and Miami are the only teams who can make an offer..
tiismuna is Detroit and Chicago considered big markets?
@@robertolebron2296 Chicago? Yes. Big market. Detroit? No, mid-small market.
Big markets in the East are NY, Brooklyn, Philly, Miami, Chicago, Washington, Boston, Toronto. Pretty much the entire Atlantic Division and then a few from the other Eastern Divisions.
In the West. The Big markets are LA Lakers/Clips, Houston, Dallas. That's it. The other ones are mid-small markets.
joe smith ok. Thanks for the info. But what about San Antonio? It's a big city and won 5 Championships
I think it’s safe to say at this point, the East is getting closer to the West.
West is still more talented but the gap is getting closer.
I've been bin watching your videos man and I think you do a great job! You don't cornball it up, curse, or make lame jokes in attempt to make your video "better". Keep it up and you gotta new subscriber bro
East is now pretty good now with guys like Giannis, Irving, Siakam, Butler, Walker, Embid and soon Durant running the show not to mention guys like Simmons, Brown, Tatum, Young, Lowry, Olodipo, Sabonis, Vucivèic, Dinwidde, Lavine, Vanvleet, Drummond, Capela, Graham, Beal, Wall, Rose, Griffin, Randle, Middleton & Adebayo
And the west has the warriors, Lakers, clippers, rockets.
I agree with you the east has the future of the NBA on their side players that will take over after Lebron retires
This didn’t age well Simmons is poop
Welp East has better Playoff matchups
Sixers vs Raptors
Bucks vs Celtics
Is better than
Warriors vs Rockets
Nuggets vs Blazers
Imagine thinking that nuggets vs blazers is a shit matchup
Rafael Dizon Lakers vs clippers
Toni Magz I’ll get you banned from UA-cam
@@VictorFernandezBigdestroyer why u crying
@@VictorFernandezBigdestroyer nooooooo
Another reason is that Lebron has been the best player in the league for a while as well as Jordan was for a while. That forced many players to sign with Western teams in FA.
I don't buy the LeBron reasoning. He is 3 and 5 in the finals and has been underdog in the finals at least 5 maybe 6 times.
People avoiding Lebron to go face better competition doesn't make sense to me.
I doubt many players think you have a better shot at beating the warriors than the cavs. In fact that should drive more players to the East.
This reasoning does not fly at all. If players choose to run away from competition then they should not join the West where the competition has been harder.
Sinan Lal your so right you see why nobody could of touch jordan and know LeBron because just them two players along can make everybody in the conference go bad
Sinan Lal who has signed with a West team because of LeBron? #ismelladickrider
I love your channel bro keep up the good work!
Andy Hoops - I have been involved in basketball a good part of my life as both a high school and college player and coach and I must say your analysis is spot on! I've been a strong advocate of taking 3 or 4 of the strong teams from the West and shifting them to the Eastern Conference in order to create more balance and healthy competition for the overall good of the game. After all, their are at least 7 or more teams in the West that are as good as or better than the top 2 teams in the East. But, alas, I'm afraid it will never come to pass.
The era of MJ on eastern was the beast day! After MJ retirement they all gone...
This is pretty simple when you think about it. In the 90s all the good players left the east so they didn't have to face MJ. Then they started coming back slowly, then Lebron showed up so everyone started leaving again. And if a guy like Ben Simmons, Giannis, Michael Porter, Markelle Fultz, etc becomes the next dominant player everyone avoids ends up in the east will get even worst.
Lebron is 3-5 the west is killing him wouldn't it make sense you rather play against Lebron because the west beats him more there not running from him
Rasuke11 foh the east was ass. The bulls was the most stacked team in that era. If you say the Knicks and Pacers were good enough to beat them then you played yourself
Andrew Ortiz 3-4 2007 don't count. Nor 2015 so 3-3
who left east to avoid jordan exactly? name one good player that went from east west
Highschool LBJ better than Overrated MJ The fuck are you talking about 90's basketball? Clearly you are like 13 years old. And yes, the East was as good as the west in the 90s. Jordan was just that good.
I like the video. The one thing most videos fail to include is the lack of management in the East. They draft stars and then trade them away for nothing rather than to let them mature.
One thing someone mentioned is the West Coast life and cities are much more relaxed. In the East , there may be a lot of pressure from media and fans to do something now, now , now. Notice how the west teams just rebuild by, draft , FA , etc And then emerge ?Seems like the East teams don't have the patience to do the same. 76ers have been an example but the injuries to their guys have been rough.
Love your vids, keep it Up !!!
The East is gonna dominate the next 15 years. All the young talent is in the East now. Look at Philly, Knicks, Bucks, Bulls, Wizards, Celtics, and the Cavs just got younger and may add a lottery pick.
The .500 teams in the west that didn't make the playoffs get lottery picks. The .500 teams in the East makes the playoffs, and don't get a lot of lottery picks.
this is a good point
@@charlescooks9360 Yup. Similar to what happened back in the '80s and '90s. When it was the other way around. East teams with winning seasons missing the playoffs. While the West had teams with losing seasons making the playoffs. Until the shift changed in the 2000s. Also, most of the West franchises front office is better run compared to the East since then.
The Spurs drafted well during their down yrs/lottery tho (mid-late '80s and '97). They almost always do.
Great video and keep up the good work. God Bless.
great content, keep up the great work
Man this video has aged well but hasn’t aged well at the same time😂😂😂😂
Fast forward 2019 raptors win the championship
But the east is trash
AKG927 because all the warriors players got injured they still trash if even klay didn’t get injected they still would of won all they needed was klay
HYDRO Fann see how it feels??
Nice video man. It's kind of funny that my friend and I are playing 2k19 as expansion teams and we both moved to the east. We're in 2024 and our teams are finally near the top plus the 76ers, pistons, and pacers are usually better than the majority of teams in the west. The top team in the west is the bucks (we moved them) and LeBron went back to the cavs who are also still contending. Boston and the nets are strong as well. In general the east is better and when we worry more about more teams there when we make the playoffs. I know it's a video game but with years in the future it's funny how the league has changed
Andy Hoops, you make some good points with this video, but I'd like to add a couple of points to the discussion:
1) Prior to the advent of social media, marquee free agents got the most exposure by going to larger media markets. This greater exposure would lead to increasing the awareness of these players' brands. Today, players don't have to go to a market like New York because they are able to get their brands out to the masses through social media and the internet. Furthermore, the market that a player plays in is less important than playing in higher profile games. Players are looking to play for better teams regardless of where they are located because the higher profile games will raise brand awareness.
2) The NBA has a systemic problem on its hands with the way that it is currently constructed because better teams are rewarded with higher draft picks. In the 2014-2015 NBA season, the New Jersey Nets were the #8 seed at 38-44. By comparison, the 45-37 Oklahoma City Thunder, 39-43 Phoenix Suns, and 38-44 Utah Jazz were better teams (even though Utah had the same record) but they were rewarded with better draft picks for not making the playoffs in the West. This current system is what is perpetuating the Eastern Conference being the weaker conference.
The NBA could solve this by playing more of a balanced schedule and having the best 16 teams make the playoffs regardless of the conference. In doing so, the best teams will make the playoffs and the weaker teams will get the better draft picks to improve. However, this will likely not happen any time soon because 75% of the NBA owners would have to approve the change, and a lot of those owners are concerned with their own self-interests rather than improving the NBA as a whole.
From 2008 to ~2015 the east and west were somewhat balanced, at various times the celtics, cavs, bulls, pacers, heat, and even magic were title contenders. The east then dropped off when the celtics and magic traded their stars, the pacers and bulls fell off, which just leaves lebron's team.
This video hasn’t aged.
it did aged well
nice video man... youre always on point.. as usual..
60's - EAST (West didn't win one time all through 1960 - 70)
70's - DRAW (from 1970 - 80 each conference got 5 chips)
80's - EAST (1980-1990 Celtics x3, Sixers, Pistons x2)
90's - EAST (Bulls 6 championships)
00's - WEST (Lakers x4, Spurs 3x )
10's - WEST (Warriors x2, Spurs, Mavericks)
Pre 1976 or whatever was not the NBA, just a heads up. There were only 2 rounds in the playoffs
3 rounds
didn't Celtics lose once in the 60's?
Lakers won in 1969 bro
Kevin M and 2010
the pacers got olaldipo to build around Myles turner
ouch
james harden the bearded that's horrible 😂
They should’ve been aggressive when they had Paul George but Larry Bird was content with the team being mediocre
Rj Gamboa not horrible at all
And now it's they got Victor Oladipo in an absolute steal and they're building around him primarily and NOT Myles Turner.
I’m glad the East improved a LOT this year. So much more fun to watch
This channel deserves a million subscribers. Well said!
Dude. I haven’t been much of an NBA guy since the Bulls and MJ. I’m a huge Carolina guy. I do watch a bit of the playoffs. But love your videos man. Keep up the great work sir.
No one cared
Fast forward to years later since 2019, the Eastern Conference has shown drastic improvement thanks largely to former Western Conference All-Stars Kevin Durant and James Harden among others.
The east has been a joke since the GOAT mj retired
I Feel Like Yeezus literally the only one you know from that era
with Magic the thing was: Penny Hardaway suffering injuries, Nick Anderson have a horrible game that ruin his carrer, the Magic dont give Shaquille O'neal the contract he deserve back then (ok, they do gave the contract, but it was too late, the Lakers offering him what he wants and so.. he's gone to LA) and Horace Grant was already old
@Vitor Hara
1995 Orlando Magic:
Shaquile O"Neal ( age 23 ), Penny Hardaway ( age 23 ).
MJ returned after an almost two-year break, the Bulls had a terrible record: 34-31, he did not have chemistry with the new players on the team.
2014 Nba Finals.
Kawhi Leonard ( age 22 ) - FMVP .
Kawhi was not even a star in 2014, unlike Shaquille O"Neal, who was already a superstar in 1995.
Derrick Rose ( age 22 ) - 1x MVP ( 2011 )
2018 ECF:
Rookie Jason Tatum ( age 19 ) vs Lebron James.
Still needed 7 games to beat the Celtics.
I love coming back to this video and seeing how well those Pacer comments aged LOL
As an Orlando Magic fan, I APPROVE THIS VIDEO, and your section on Orlando was SPOT ON. We have the WORSE management and GMs in the league.
You're video was very good keep up the good work
Marc VINCA you watched 1 minute of the video
Will i thought it was a great video, by the way can u guess how long have I watched the video
Marc VINCA your great
Marc VINCA your *
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Funny how of the 6 current superstars in the league, 5 are in the west. Kawhi, curry, KD, Westbrook, and harden while only lebron is in the east
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Bb Boy, so eastern conference teams are overpaying for shit players? LOL. Players in Texas seem to make the most with taxes n such
You're forgetting Antetokounmpo and (if he can stay healthy) Embiid. Also poor Porzingis (hah, pun) who has to play as the lone wolf on the Knicks.
Funny how half of them were playing together for OKC Thunder once
those two points are yes, not obvious but has good and solid foundations.
maybe, the market in the west and reputation it built as tough and winning conference are other things.
EXCELLENT JOB!
If you look the number of NBA champions in the three point era it's split about evenly between East and West. The overall win losses heavily favor the West though. This could have a lot to do with the time zone difference. West games starting at 7:30 and ending around 10:15 are actually 10:30 and ending at 1:15 in the morning for those East players. Of course other factors are at play too, but East will always be at a steep disadvantage on the schedule.
2019 and 2020 the bucks have the best record in the nba
@just tell me santino chill Celtics and Heat are very good
@@re1ive456 right on the money
And they didn't make it passed the 2nd round
that's true the east need to organize their teams
Great job again Andy.
nice vid earned a new sub
It goes in cycles. Back in the day the east was much better. Dr J - 3 titles. Larry Bird 3. Isaiah Thomas -2. Michael Jordan -6. The East was way better than the West. The Showtime Lakers had absolutely no competition in the West during this era. Similar to LeBron's Cavs.
kawhi was never in the west he was on pacer but got traded to spurs
Hi ' Duke is shit
That's true, but the Spurs told the Pacers to pick Kawhi because they already had the deal in place to send them Hill for him
Alfonzo Jackson the spurs are in the west dumbass.
Hi ' Just like your dignity
Alfonzo Jackson spurs are a western confernece team dipshit
This man is putting out high quality videos but only has 149K!?!? Wow that's ridiculous man.
A lot has to do with the Playoffs and the way it affects the draft. Teams that make the playoffs get later draft picks. The West has had teams that don't make the playoffs that would if they were in the East so those West teams that have better overall records and miss the playoffs get a higher draft pick than a East team (with a worse record) that made the playoffs. Years and years of that will cause one side to be better.
The east still needs a lot of help.
Sounds like bad moves by GMs
This is the main reason why Lebron has so many Finals appearances and Finals losses.
Exactly! Sleep walk through the lame East and get totally slapped in the Finals. Making that adjustment from playing the top team in the East to playing the best in the West was just too much to ask.
@@gdiggedy9 Yeah
COOL VIDEO RANDY. THANKS
i really liked this vid. the music added to it and made it better
The East has Giannis, Joel, Kristaps, Tatum, Fultz, Saric, Jabari, Brown, Wall and Irving just to name a few young stars
lol embid,giannis and kristaps are the best young talent they got imo.
Avery Bradley's Son... Irving isnt that young no more. Hes in his prime right now
Avery Bradley's Son a few years down the line,they gonna go to the west
Kyle Lowry demar derozan
nah
the main reason the west is better Is because free agents want to play for big/nice cities (Oakland,LA & more). the only nice cities in the east are Miami, Orlando, and New York.
west has nicer weather also..besides miami in the east
What about Chicago
FreshPrinceGaming did you..... did you just include Oakland in the fun cities?
BeefPapa it's the bay area who woundnt
Raul Raz I live in the bay Oakland is poorly managed the roads are cracked the streets are dirty and a the unemployment rate is really high
I always feel western conference does better as they are more attractive in free agency. When I was an exchange student in the US I prefer the west coast compared to the east coast, of course my comparison was Auburn vs Santa Barbara but in general west coast seems more lively and dynamic with more diverse group of people whereas East coast just seems so industrious, if we use it as reference more eastern executive just use hype as the guide to scout whereas in the west, they find the one who is a right fit for the organization which eventually draw top free agents. And for the players, the environment in the west coast I describe would be more preferable as these guys are millionaires and would wanna spend their money
East is a lot better this year. Raptors, Bucks, Sixers, Celtics
Pacers, Nets
“At least Lebron is in the east”😂😂😂
My dads friend is the magic GM. ☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️ he said they were badly managed 😭😭
Skip Bayless lmao
Skip Bayless
Savage
Fred vs Kevin no shit my guy
In that same span of time from when Jordan retired up to 2011, only 2 Western Teams won championships. The Spurs & Lakers. It wasn't until 2011 until the Mavericks, who were the only other Western Conference team to make the Finals in that span became the 3rd different team to win.
The disparity is mostly due to the fact that most of the All-NBA squads play for the West, but even draft rules are helping to keep some of the balance of power out West. Each season, 7 East teams and 7 West teams get lotto picks, unless picks were traded. So, even though a couple of those West teams are actually better than the low playoff teams in the East, they get better draft picks. In 2015, the Thunder were better than the East's 6th, 7th, and 8th seeded teams, but got to pick before any of them. In 2014, Phoenix won 48 games, and if not for trades would've picked ahead of 4 East playoff teams. In 2013, Utah was better than ATL and Boston, who had lower draft picks. Etc.
Eventually, it'll turn around, but it gets pretty ugly. Just imagine how ugly it really would've looked if the NBA played a completely balanced schedule and you played every team the same number of times.
The east was god in the 80's
@andy hoops : why the east suck
Raptors in 2019: hold our beer
Fast forward to 2023 the wet western conference is inferior, it is ludicrous that the nuggets only needed to finish 53-29 to get home court advantage throughout the playoffs for the first time in franchise history. The Suns only needed an abysmal 45-37 record just to be a top 4 seed.
When people try to figure out how to fix the NBA playoffs, I always jokingly say "just take the 9 & 10 seed in the West, and put them in place of the 7 & 8 in the East". This video almost makes it a legit solution.
NOW LEbron in the west
How is Bradley Beal not even an all star he averages more than 20 ppg he is THE most underrated in the east in my opinion
The thing that sucks is that both causes contribute to each other as well, the front offices sucking prevent good players from wanting to join them
The pacers have been getting players like Corey Joseph, Bojan Bondonovic (don't know how it is spelled) and olidipo from that pg trade
Looking back at this the east is really good a lot of great young players and the east is led by Giannis Antetokounmpo
It's hard not to see why the east is bad no one wants to play there cause of Lebron the GMs there are terrible at drafting and trading and plus players would rather live on the west coast the eastern conference is always dominated by one team
Musa Abdikadir players go to where the money is at and/or where the best chances to win is at. it has nothing to do with lebron. they would have to face it at some point so it really doesn't matter. plus a lot more western teams have been dominant more the LeBron's team
Warriors are way more dominant in the west and before that Kobe's lakers and Duncan's spurs were dominating the west so your point doesnt make any sense.
Another factor to consider is injuries and declined performance. D-Rose got injured, severely weakening the Bulls. 76er's top draft picks were injured, the 2012 Knicks were good on paper, but they couldn't perform on the court. Deron Williams degraded, Bynum was sent to the East and basically disappeared. Before Dwight was traded to LA, he was already injured.
NBA Needs to make National and American league/Conference like NFL & MLB
why? its the same thing just different names
I saw this video, so I pressed it immediately.
How can you not bring up the Celtics when talking about the future of the east? I mean, they're nothing more than a team that just made the conference finals, added a top 3 draft pick AND signed an all star. No big big deal? Huh.
Roberta Cucinotti lmao Celtics are trash
This video was mad dope yo
Andy hoops is one of the best youtubers
“LeBron is still in the East,” 😂😂😂
celtics bruh really. they goin be great this season hayward from the west went to the east.
Chris Miller yeah that was the only good move tho. Celtics will be really fun to watch tho
Yikes
Let’s not forget.. in the west you have teams like Dallas, Houston, Los angles, Bay Area, Portland, Denver, Utah are the cities these teams play at. In the East Chicago, New York, Boston &Miami (Orlando I guesssss) are the only cities people ACTUALLY live. So the fan base is naturally going to be smaller in the East
Andy: East Sucks
Bucks: We have the best record in the NBA...
But look at the standings lets just say the kings a almost 500 team in the west but arent making the playing but the pistons have the same record and are tied and could be tied with 3 teams in the heat and magic
your team was 1st because its the east
Celtics are doing well...
Watching heaps of these and they're great. Smash the sub button
What they don’t say about the Hornets trading Bryant is that he refused to play for Charlotte. His agent said that he would only play for the Lakers
The problem with west and East is the Jordan lebron effect they dominated for so long a lot of teams went to rebuild mode to compete for the future
The east is great now (2018-2019 season) Milwaukee Bucks might be champs
*Raptors
esast is ass
*2021 champions
Bro the east is always great a eastern team is usually always in the finals
The east has sucked for approx. 10 years. Back in Jordan's day, the east was tough with the Bulls, Pistons, Knicks, Pacers and Cavaliers. But today, the east is awful and it got worse with George leaving.
Ok, Andy, this is irrelevant to the NBA but i need to know the name of the song bro. Btw love your videos. You are Awesome.