I laughed so hard at the Modern Day ranking. I don’t think anyone has ever started the number 1 spot with “This world is arguably the worst one”. Absolute gold. Love it.
It’s still insane to me that PVZ2C was able to make several completely original themed worlds with time period based ideas while the only new ideas the western release got were put into a side mode
@@aubreyathamenah the older world’s are great. Sky city and kung-fu are really fun but I know newer ones like steam ages and Fairytale kinda fell off. Still better than one new plant a month though
The thing is, the creativity is off the charts in the chinese version, it's great, BUT. They're just kinda pumped out and left to rot without any follow up, i mean FCOL Steam Ages only has, what, 17 levels? And all the jank that comes with them is weirdm
25:40 "There's only like, two people that care about PvZ2 lore" I'll let you know that me and my evil twin brother are really upset about this statement
23:15 For a player who is remotely comfortable with keeping tabs on the state of the whole screen, Ra Zombie is actually *weaker than a basic*, because it can be stalled pretty much indefinitely by just teasing it with sun to suck up.
The Far Future time isn’t actually Al that vague. The preview of the world actually mentions how it takes place SPECIFICALLY in the year 2323, so we’ve got around 300 years to go before we can make any judgements there.
Honestly, I don't think we need a lot to make Far Future accurate, and most of those things can perhaps be achievable in 300 years. I guess the big thing would be if we can sustain our kind for the next 300 years, or like about 3-4 generations worth of human beings. But if we can't, no one would be laughing. Walking robots are kind of a thing, jetpacks seem to be plausible, and holographic projection might be expected. And for the aspect of zombies and plants... I mean, Modern Day has zombies and sapient plants. I think Power Tiles can be interesting... An automated way to spread plant food. Which translated to the real world, can be like an artificial network to spread fertilizer. There are inventions that mimic nature, and Power Tiles would be no exception, as it can mimic the fungal network. Perhaps in this, we can control plants in a more so collective way instead of an individualistic way.
@@thealientree3821 "i guess the big thing would be if we can sustain our kind for the next 300 years or like" yes vegetation can always get bigger, and animals can always be breed, as a extra scientists already studying if other planets can grow plants, and even managed to grow some plants on mars if i remember correctly, so "will earth even have space for that much humans?" probably not, but if technology continue this way, humans living in other planets may be possible.
@@RaphielShiraha64 that statement refers more to things like climate change, that, while they may not wipe us out, would undoubtedly eventually end human civiliation as we know it, perhaps permanently. we already have enough food and resources to support every person on earth, they're just not being allocated to everyone, both because of logistics and greed.
300 years from now we would already have insane technology. Remember, 300 years ago we had sailors, rudimental medicine, used to still fight wars with swords. Now we have freaking computers and smartphones to access or talk to anybody anywhere at any time
I personally think Neon Mixtape Tour’s gimmick and specials concept is extremely interesting. Having a lot of really strong and threatening specials that aren’t always active and will rotate when they do become active is quite interesting and is far more interesting than things like Dark Ages or Jurassic Marsh which have almost no specials themselves. The Jam mechanic is the one I personally see having the most potential to be expanded upon and is one of my favorite gimmicks to deal with. Also, the music is absolutely amazing.
Honestly, the fact that the specials aren’t a constant threat, but (mostly) provide enough of a threat when active without being extremely overwhelming (aside from garg) is kinda impressive. I feel like they could have made the world much, much harder, but ended up finding a near perfect balance in difficulty imo. The fact that most of the specials have different counterplay also makes it even better imo, forcing weird but cool strats occasionally.
One thing I love about Modern Day is how genius the music is. As well as being remixes of tracks from the first game, instruments from other worlds are used. Not only does this reflect the time rift theme, but the modern life in general. We are so proud of our knowledge of history. It weaves its way into movies, shows, or just references everywhere. Some even make up history because they're so annoyed they don't know everything!
i used to HATE going through Frostbite Caves after Wild West, however, i enjoyed it a lot through my last playthrough. it could be because i was forced to not use heating plants with the exception of Torchwood-which makes the world a lot more interesting imo-but the world is just easy enough to let other types of plants counter the ice enough which can feel really rewarding
In the base game I definitely agree Dark Ages is quite terrible, but I also find it rather hilarious how a mod managed to almost completely fix it with the addition of just one zombie. The Bandit zombie in Reflourished. The main "challenge" of Dark Ages is the lack of sun, which forces you to either rely on weak but cheap plants, or have a very limited number of better but expensive plants on the field at any one time. However, thanks to cheap and free stalling plants like Iceburg lettuce and stalia, you can just stall out the game until you have a full lineup of sun production and now it no longer matters. The Bandits changes that, as it's almost always the first few zombies you'll see in the world. They are fairly fast and will rush towards your backline and ruin any sun production in that lane quite easily, encouraging you to kill him fast, but after a short time they'll start backing off out of the map and will vanish. That already sets up a time limit, as you only have so long before it effectively kills itself, causing more zombies to come up and progressing the wave. If you try to stall him, he'll also start backing off, so your only two options are either kill him now, or let him eat everything in the lane. He punishes stalling the early game in a sun-starved world very effectively, forcing you to deal with the larger and more dangerous waves when you aren't 100% prepared for them just yet. Dark Summons can spawn in groups of fire/explosion immune imps, King zombies can buff up the field quite fast, Jesters are jesters, and with all these meat shields, it makes Wizards much more dangerous since you have to try and work your way through the forward wall to finally reach them, even with many AOE plants. Stalling things out to get a bunch of sun production online makes them all far easier, but the Bandit zombie forces you to either lose that production line, or let those dangerous zombies start showing up before you are really ready for them. The 75 sun the bandit drops when he dies, which sounds like a good bonus since free sun, but honestly it feels more like a consolation prize considering how it punishes stalling otherwise. Such an excellent little "haha too bad" from the devs, lovably infuriating design...
Tl;dr The reflourished mod fixes Dark Ages by adding a zombie that forces you to either kill it early and pre-emptively progress the wave, or let it ravage your sun production. Either way, it counters stalling the early game.
sorry but i love the medivel ages so it is second favorite BUT BIG WAVE BEACH IS MY LEAST FAVORITE FOR HAVING THE MOST ANNOYING ZOMBIE IN THE GAME THAT BEING OCTO ZOMBIE
To be honest I really like Jurassic marsh for the amount of chaos that occurs if done right, but it’s just that the work was all put into the dinos and not the zombies in the base game, so it kinda screwed the world over entirely
yup I think the chaos is the intended design for this world, also because note that all the zombies (aside from rockpuncher which was an addition in the expansion anyways, and gargantuar obviously) in this world eat plants, which implies using plants like sweet potato, garlic and hot date is also intended to be a valid strategy to control the chaos
It depends, some levels make it feel like you're fighting against RNG, While others give a sense of orchestrated chaos that was designed to be unavoidable but manageable.
On the whole I liked Jurassic Marsh a lot more than I thought I would, There's just one or two levels where there's a bit too much going on. And I would've liked to see a dino with hairmetal garg's ability instead of just being another punt the zombies forwards clone.
Agree, I love how quickly messy the entire round can get, because the zombies are CONSTANTLY getting pushed forwards, and putting them against Primal Peas and Chard Guards, that back and fourth is very engaging and interesting. Despite the criticism that the world has no special zombies beyond them just being tanky, ngl I REALLY enjoy that simplicity. I truly thin it is intentional how all the plants and all the zombies are just tankier, stronger reimagination of already existing plants and zombies because it's the oldest world in the timeline of the game, so as a concept, it works. Not to mention, and I know he wasn't ranking that aspect in the video, but if you rank the world-specific zombies, I think it's only fair to do the same for plants, and plants in JM are FUCKING INCREDIBLE. Aside from the perfume, which is world-specific similarly to Hot Potato or Thyme Warp, every plant is extremely fun yet simple in it's design, just like the zombies.
Wild West is the best world because it’s the only place I’ve lucid dreamed in. Very specifically, it was a dream where I was on the battlefield of the Wild West map and I realized to myself, “wait, there isn’t a physical person who plants these plants” and then I kinda just chilled with everything. I also tried pinching myself to wake up, and that didn’t work, so I could be dreaming right now and not know it. Thanks prospector zombie
I think the best way to change frostbite caves would be to have a plant like lily pads, but instead could be planted on plants that would heat in a more limited area. Could you imagine big wave beach without lily pad and only having water plants?
I feel like another fix would be to make all frost plants immune to freeze while making most zombies extra vulnerable to freeze/chill. Something like the frost mechanic for plants. Where they turn into ice blocks that other zombies have to break through.
Hot Potato is supposed to do this, but it really doesn't due to its recharge. One thing I quite liked in the mod AltverZ is Hot Potato is now immediate recharge, but costs 50sun. So if things get frozen by a stray Freezing Wind, you _can_ get the lane up again immediately - but you'll have to pay for it.
@@Zeldrake Eclise does this too but the problem is it is pricey to run alone, along with simply being a pain to have to click on it and each of your frozen plants every single time, meaning you will probably run heaters alongside it defeating the purpose of hot potato.
Frostbite Caves is interesting for me since I generally like harder worlds, but Frostbite caves finds itself pretty high on my personal list. Same with Dark ages and Big Wave Beach. I think I just appreciate it when a world dictates how you have to play, since you have to make do with what limited options you're left with beside the mandatory plants.
You seem like a person who would like pvz3 with not being able to pick your plants insane difficulty and environments that can be really hard to deal with
I love frostbite caves for its gimmicks, and I love bwb for its difficulty and gimmicks, but dark ages was kinda boring. I feel like there weren’t that many creative enemy’s and also it was difficult in an unfair way
@@Devinelix I think the only reason I like DA is because that's when I began to git gud as a child. I remember coming up with all sorts of strategies to counter those goddamn knights and wizards. However in the mods I play I tend to enjoy DA the least (mainly due to the nighttime gimmick). I only enjoy them when they have brutal difficulty to offset the initial dullness of those levels.
I am so happy for the Jurassic Marsh slander. Ever since I first played it I hated it because I loved this era of the world and seeing only one new zombie and the dinosaurs not doing anything unique from each other. And all of the plants are just stronger versions of older plants.
I have the same feeling in regards to Lost City as you have for Far Future. Sure, objectively speaking it is far from the best world with a bunch of notable flaws, but god DAMN the aesthetics are really appealing to me. The music especially is just perfect with the dynamics emulating the Jones films and I LOVE it. Like, the Final Wave theme ALONE probably bumps this world a couple spots above where it should've been (and also making me a staunch PvZ2 ost defender).
i think a lot of problems you may have with the worlds are negated by just looking at them when they originally came out or from the perspective of a new player, even playing vanilla without seeds or premiums really does make the world gimmicks and zombies shine much more
I absolutely LOVED frostbite caves, that world was the most fun I had at the game. The assimetry, the funny music, the freezing mechanic, the funny looking zombies, it was great. And the boss was also fun and original
Ayy I completely agree! It’s in my top 3 worlds. The look, the zombies, the boss, the ice pads. The music and the feels are very Ice Age-y. Definitely one of the better worlds.
For me Modern Day is thematically my favorite world. While its definitely nostalgia bait, I honestly thought the nostalgia bait felt mostly earned. Its the culmination of everything you've gone through in the game previously and serves a nice book end to the Adventure. The biggest disappointment for me though was that there was no unique final boss fight which is increadibly lame. I also aggree the base game levels don't even get close to reaching the full potential of what the world could have been.
Imo the modern day bosses are interesting but it would be cool if it also had 35 levels where the 35th level is a unique modern day boss. And it shouldn’t be too hard to make unless it has a gimmick because even the super hard version of modern day has a boss.
Only a fake fan would be unaware of the worlds' temporal locations. Far Future is set in 2323, and Wild West takes place in 1850. This was revealed to me in a dream and also in the world descriptions in-game
I am actually so happy you ranked Wild West so high. I was surprised on the poll you made, not many people have voted for Wild West. Overall, I loved this video a lot! Well done.
I feel like pirate seas was done dirty but if the world is too easy I can see it. I really like the theme, gimmicks and atmosphere but yeah I can’t deny its too easy unfortunately. Its really interesting tho imo
20:49 yk the parasol zombie had a good potential if they actually added the ability for it to jump to the next column using the umbrella and cannot be blocked by wall plants adding an extra challenge countering it
Mr. Creeps20 I just wanted to say I appreciate your content a lot. There are only a few games that can hold my attention like PVZ does, and the content you make always satisfy my itch. I love learning about certain game's game design and balance, and I love making my own concepts and trying to improve apon what is already there, and your videos are always get me thinking and creating. Thank you!
The "Dark Ages" are also known as the Middle Ages. This period in history lasts from after the fall of the Roman Empire ( around 500AD) to the start of the Renassiance(1500AD). The name orginated came from a Italian historian in the 14th century called Petarch, who preferred the Greek and Roman times, calling them more advanced and sophisticated. Indeed, the Middle ages was a time of numerous war and bloodshed, and many diseases(notably the Black Death or Bubonic Plague) spread. However, there was many technological and medical advances during this 1000 year period. Some include advancements includes the building of complex cathedrals and castles, the Silk Road, and printing press and telescope. Despite this, the name stuck as some other scholars also agreed with Petarch. In conclusion, the Dark Ages was most definitely not dark, and many intelligent people lived during this time and made great contributions, but the name became popular culture as people tend to look at the negatives.
Sucking Galien’s cock for that entire time period slowed down medical advances immensely, you’re delusional. Stupid is not the right word, let’s just say they put religion above everything else. « Huh guys this roman dude who doesn’t know how blood flows is monotheist let’s base all our medical knowledge off him and ignore all the arab geniuses and execute anyone who proves him wrong »
I've always heard of "the dark ages" but never really knew WHEN it was, this was interesting to read and actully know what time period the dark, or, middle ages were...
@@kata4300Universities became a thing during the medieval Europe. idk why people loves to ignore this. The main problem of said period were muslims blocking trading.
I like how Modern Day is Creep's definition of "Yes, but technically no" By default it has every gimmick therefore "logically" making it the best of all worlds , but by design it has HORRIBLE level design, on par with BWB (atleast I think)
I love Far Future because after all the B.S. that was Lost City, which was mainly 1 level that had basicaly everything. So I had to look up a strat, then figure our good replaces for the new linear progression system, because it had plants I couldn't get. And the stupid ice of Frostbute Caves that somehow effects ice plants, even though they should be used to those temperatures and maybe get stronger because more ice. Anyway Far Future was fun, and in one last stand level made me realize that those are were Lightning Reed truly shines.
Pirate seas problem with aoe being really strong isn’t as bad as you would think, there is very little aoe accessible up to world two and the ones you unlock in world two are only slight counters like coco cannon and cherry bomb, both needing a long time before they can do there aoe damage, so it’s not a real problem that pirate seas is weak to aoe plants.
Timestaps: Ancient Egypt - 21:22 Pirate Seas - 15:00 Wild West - 36:24 Frostbite Caves - 2:17 Lost City - 17:51 Far Future - 32:43 Dark Ages - 6:08 Neon Mixtape Tour - 25:05 Jurassic Marsh - 10:45 Big Wave Beach - 29:06 Modern Day - 40:00
Weasels ignoring tiles makes them more threatening if anything… I’d say ignoring tiles is using the tiles since it is a counter play to stacking sun producers/damage behind tiles. The world is still the worst of the bunch but I had to point this out
Wild West has the best extra levels. All of them make think, I can’t use my setup. The reliance of mine carts make you focused. There are two issues that can be damned to the darkest pits of hell and that’s the boss and black bulls.
Honestly I wish we got more prehistoric worlds, it’s very nerdy and niche but there are so many wacky things you could do with the paleozoic and permian.
carboniferous world when?. Edit: I would also like a viking world, atlantis world with both underwater and above water levels, seasonal worlds like a christmas world taking place in the 1500's or a thanksgiving world with food-themed plants taking place in 1621
The sad thing about Dark Ages is that Vanilla absolutely SHOULD'VE had a plague doctor zombie. Think about it! The Black Death occurred during the Dark Ages, this is a game about zombies, the opportunity is just too perfect to pass up! That fan-made zombie from the first row of Google Images shouldn't have to be fan-made. Missed opportunity, Popcap!
Dark ages was one of the easiest worlds for me. My strategy was just to use 2 rows of sunshrooms, kill the early game zombies and graves with gravebuster and puff-shroom, then plant down bonk choys and infinuts with their plant food.
DA and JM always seem to have the least fun levels in mods. I always dread those 2 worlds in any playthrough. Also funny DA kazoo will reign supreme fight me.
JM was really good in Reflourished, it basically fixed all the problems I had with the world and rarely had any Ankylosaurses and Rockpunchers as they were deemed too OP. I hated the new Zomboss battle though
0:04 oh my god… I just got it… It’s about time… meaning The game is ABOUT TIME. At first I got the “it’s about time” as in its overdue, but I just got it… I’ve played this game for years.
listening to frostbite caves' explanation and the bit with plants like split pea and bonk choy becoming better was pretty interesting, cuz while this is absolutely true, it can also be painfully awkward because of the ice winds/hunter zombies just outright freezing them because they aren't part of the heat bubble that's usually in the back darn ice winds
Gonna break all this down lol. -I have a soft spot for Jurassic Marsh and Frostbite for the music and vibes, but yeah they're definitely on the lower end of good game design. I love the character design of the dinos, too, they're very cute. -I am very neutral on Pirate Seas. I just have no thoughts on it at all. Lol. -If Lost City JUST made more and better use of the crystal skull zombie, I could see it being more difficult, but it doesn't, so it isn't. If they did, it could turn the gold tiles producing so much sun at such a clip into a bad thing. -I find Ancient Egypt fascinating, because while it CLAIMS to be ancient, everything in it appears to be ruins and there are the explorers, implying the actual time period to be something at least Napoleonic, it's just a strange thing I noticed. -Neon Mixtape Tour is so much one of my favorites, as I am a music nerd, I love the jams and how the music themed zombies all have uniquely dangerous abilities. -GOD I hate Big Wave Beach for the most part, especially how killing surfer zombie TOO LATE causes him to still instakill and plant his surfboard. I also really despise the octo-zombie for everything he does to me. I would be okay with fisher zombie if the world gave you banana launcher sooner, but again, it doesn't, so it's not. By the time you have banana, you've already slogged through most of fisher zombie's appearances and I hate it. -Far Future strikes my love of retro-futuristic aesthetics very well, and it's interesting lore-wise that the zombies are, ultimately, still around far into the future. -WILD WEST!!! The one aesthetic I love more than retro-future, having grown up immersed in it. The minecarts are great for things like coconut cannons, which is quite a period-accurate for a plant, despite being from Pirate Seas. Wild West as a whole leaves you very hard-up for space at every turn, lawn crowding isn't something many gimmicks make you consider. The music sounding like time is starting to mess up could also explain why the bulls are robots. -Modern Day is a huge nostalgia blast, and honestly? I'm a sucker for it. Everything about playing it sucks, but the music and finally seeing the classic zombies again is fun. That's all the good I can say about it. Why would they make me deal with octo-zombie and surfer zombie again? Why?
Neon mixtape Tour's plants are some of the worst choices for the world, and really are the thing that let the world down for me (Speaking from purely Vanilla). They all get countered in some way : Phat Beat - Small area (3x3) so needs to be close up, making it an easy target against Instakills (Fun Fact : Most of the zombies do that! Rapper literally attacks the same area and can stop Phat Beat instantly). Plus, Glitter makes it devoid since the zombies behind it become immune, so it needs to kill the Glitter first. Celery Stalker - Same problem as P.B. . It would be decent, but even Glitter can stop it, by either rolling it over, or by the zombies behind it. Garlic - Same problem. Itd obviously be good with P.B. but again, instakills. Plus, Arcade can spawn so many zombies that it just gets eaten immediately. Spore shroom - Again, same problem. Unlike P.B. or C.S. where they start at the front though, Spore shroom can spawn new plants at the front. Which instantly can be removed. Thyme Warp - Usable in a single world. Plus if you have Breakdancer, then youre almost back at square one, with less sun. Cactus - Glitter stops it's piercing, though the Spikeweed part is good. Electric Blueberry - Countered by Arcade, who can spawn more zombies to take over the Thunder. Almost all these plants attack from up front, where Insta-kills are. So basically, theres no point to bring them to N.M.T. 1 or 2 are good in other worlds, but most are either Useless or forgettable.
celery stalker can be really good when spammed early game as it is very cheap. i use it quite alot in most worlds. also its good for modern day for me as its good against msot zombies
I hope you don't like your food so much you create a time machine to eat it again, thus creating a time paradox where you'll eventually have to play modern day.
Can’t believe there’s no struggling prog rock zombie who must make the decision of radically changing their sound to fit the rapidly changing times in neon mixtape tour
For me it's: 11: Ancient Egypt, the most basic of level designs, not bad, but since it's the first world of the game, it had to be easy, but due to this, it lacks replayability. Not bad but when you have tons of other fun worlds, something has to be at the bottom. 10: Wild West, my biggest gripe is when they take away tiles to plant on, this problem is shared with the next world, however WW usually takes away tiles in the first few columns which is where most of the planting is done. I also find the minecarts finnicky to use. The only redeeming factor for me is the pianist zombie having great synergy with the minecarts, but other than that, pretty forgettable for me. 9: Pirate Seas, I don't care much for the first three areas, but PS and WW at least have replayability. I especially love how the field is laid out like a zombie ship has laid planks trying to invade your home. There are also much more zombies that synergize with the empty space gimmick as apposed to the stupid rail tracks who's main purpose is to unintentionally take up planting space. 8: Frostbite Caves, I love gimmicks that cause you to change your playstyle 'cause it forces you to choose plants you might otherwise overlook, and the freezing aspect is a great way to accomplish this. I also like the upgraded Chicken Wrangler Zombie, (now called Weasel Hoarder) who now spawns slower, but tankier weasels. 7: Big Wave Beach, another world gimmick that takes away planting spots, but at least with this one you have lily pads to counteract this, along with certain plants being able to be planted in the water. I especially like the attention to detail with Rotobaga and Ghost Pepper who technically levitate, so aren't affected if the tile they're planted on has water. 6: Dark Ages, by far my favourite music, it gives that whimsical medieval feel. It just lacks content, having the fewest levels of any world, but it's saved by the zombies. The Jester is my favourite since it causes you to rethink your entire playstyle, making you use plants you might otherwise overlook. 5: Jurassic Marsh, I love the dino gimmick, it creates an obstacle you can't kill, keeping a constant threat you need to keep in mind, similar to FC, but the chilling effect can easily be counteracted with hot plants. Unlike other worlds, where the threats are caused by zombies, and can be taken out with sheer power, the only way to deal with dinos is with Perfume shroom, and even then, it has a long enough recharge time where you can't solve all your problems with it. It's brought this low due to it having the fewest new zombies. 4: Lost City, if the music were better it would be at number 3, but it's overall carried by how well the zombies interact with each other, however I must say that the sun tile gimmick makes getting sun a bit too easy. 3: Far Future, this has some of the best music. I love the contrast with the jetpack zombie being quick, but frail, compared to the robots who are tanky, but slow. It also has one of the four Gargantuars who aren't just carbon copies of each other. 2: Neon Mixtape Tour, I love music, and having the special zombies activate their ability when their jam is playing is such a fun gimmick. Even the Gargantuar was given this gimmick. 1: Modern Day, Though it only has one gimmick, the ability to summon zombies randomly from other time periods is very interesting. It requires you to not only prepare for the shown zombies, but also for any curveballs thrown at you.
In the base game getting to modern day and seeing all-star, balloon, and newspaper zombie brought me nostalgia also I absolutely love the soundtrack of modern day with the mix of instruments from other worlds and it’s a remix from zombies on your lawn.
I don't know why but the wild west music makes me think the world is about to end and just brings very helpful stress so I consentrate also the trickiest challenges.
22:40 ancient egypt - I do think the game should actually *start* with Modern Day, then have Ancient Egypt be a world you can access that, y'know... actually has a theme. The zombies are Egypt-themed, but the world and plants are just the baseline. Also, I might be misremembering, but back in the day I think you could go out of order; each time you beat a level you would get a world key, which could be used on any world. That was great, why did they change it Edit to clarify: in this hypothetical "improved" version, the Modern Day at the beginning would function basically like a combination of the tutorial and PvZ1, getting you acquainted with the basic plants and having a couple special zombies. The time-travelly level at the end with the combination of all the different elements would just have a different name
As much I wish I could argue the frostbite caves because I do like them quite a bit, Overall whole level pack didn't bring me grand problems and overall frostwind doesn't bother me that much it's understandable
Every time we shifted up a tier, without modern day having been put on the list yet, I became more and more confused. Glad it got put in it's proper spot by the very end of the video
Big wave beach has got to be one of my favourite worlds, right alongside neon mixtape tour and Far future. BWB is hard but manageable which makes it really fun. Same with NMT. Also, the music is so good.
at least modern day is somewhat interesting because of the plot of pvz2 like yay youre at the point in time you wanted to go, now go eat your weird taco with a waffle
> There's 2 people who care about PvZ lore. It's me, I'm people. Great video. Pirate Seas is my favorite world because of it's music, it's so chill yet so epic at the same time to me. It's weird.
I have a couple ideas for DA myself: (keep in mind I’m not a mod creator I’m just a person who likes conjuring up ideas) Remember the Fog Levels of PvZ1? Well this gimmick I thought of is similar to that. Medieval Haze: While Medieval Haze won’t appear in all Dark Ages levels, in Levels where it does appear Columns 7-9 from the house will get covered in it and can only be permanently removed by plantern (which I’ll mention later) or temporarily removed by plants such as blowver and Hurrikale. Medieval Haze will also have 2 special zombies related to it those being: Phantom Mist Zombie: Stats approximate values* Speed 0.5* Toughness 400* Special ability: phases through wall plants and low-ground plants. Weakness: will get insta-killed by Blover/hurrikale and Plantern. Other: Only appears if Medieval Haze is present. Spawns from the 7th column from the house, if there are Zombie Kings present on the Lawn Phantom Mist Zombie will attack them before going towards your house. Phantom Mist Zombie are ghosts of previous zombie kings Eager to get Revenge for as they put it “Foul and Most Unnatural Murders” by the current King Zombie; only appearing when the land is covered in mist whenever there is no zombie king for them to take their anger out on they’ll all take their anger out on the plants instead. And for the second one Zombie Dullihan: Stats: Speed 0.2 Toughness 5400 Special: Attacks Plants 1-2 tiles in front of it with a Bone Whip that deals roughly 1.5x higher damage than a normal zombie, at half-health Zombie Dullihan will throw its Pumpkin head at the plant in its lane on the second column from the house, instantly killing it and the plants in a 3x3 area around it unless the targeted plant is removed, Immune to Hypnosis and Chill. I’m to lazy to write an entry but I Will mention that Zombie Dullihan is based on the headless-horseman. Also the theme for those levels would be a Dark-Ages styled Rigor Mormist. Now for the plant I mentioned earlier Plantern would get unlocked after beating the first level that features Medieval Haze. And it’s relationship with Medieval Haze Will be same as it’s relationship with Fog in the original PvZ though Plantern won’t be exactly the same as the original so here are some differences: Sun Cost: 75 Toughness: 600 Abillity: increases the attack speed of nearby plants in a 3x3 radius of it by 1.5x. All other stats and abilities of it are the same as PvZ1. Edit i changed its Sun Cost to 75 Sun because now that I think about it 200 sun would be too much for too little.
Alright, here’s how I think DA could easily be fixed; Add an alchemist zombie. There’s already grave like potions that occupy tiles in the world, why not have a tomb raiser style zombie that causes the horde to push your defence? All the pieces are already there, they’d just need to create a model, and maybe give jester a weakness to lobbing plants or something to give cabbagepult employment, and add levels to be consistent with other worlds. Edit: Raiser, not Raider
Something I always found weird, is how all the world are in dufferent places. Ancient egypt is well, in egypt; the dark ages takes place in europe; the wild west takes place in the usa (the wild west was mostly the mid west, but the great wave flag looks like the Texan one, so ig it takes place in northern Texas?); big wave beach takes place in a well, a beach, if I had to take a guess maybe in the Californian coast?; pirate seas probably takes place in the caribbean; lost city looks like interpretations of el dorado legend, which would be in northern southe america (probably Colombia) but the look of the zombies and their technology makes them look like victorian colonial explorers, so it could also take place in Africa; judging by the suburban stile neon mixtape and modern day take plaace in the USA.
I laughed so hard at the Modern Day ranking. I don’t think anyone has ever started the number 1 spot with “This world is arguably the worst one”. Absolute gold. Love it.
390 likes with no comment? Imp-possible!
@@MikhailAurellio oh shit this has 390 likes
@@Zosso-1618 not anymore
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@@deleted-something hey you’re the same guy i saw on that geocentrism v.s. heliocentrism video haha
The thing I learned most from this video is that the game doesn't have It's About Time in the official name anymore
No way, you're right. I remember seeing the "It's About Time" next to Pvz2 at the end of the trailer back in 2014
@@Nietabs It has since been removed.
@@SuperDestroyerFoxWHAT? WHEN DID IT GET REMOVED?
@@Player_ButWorse_AndBetter I don’t know. I guess page 2 of Google or an iceberg is the only way.
They removed it in 2015
It was a joke about how long the game took to come out
It’s still insane to me that PVZ2C was able to make several completely original themed worlds with time period based ideas while the only new ideas the western release got were put into a side mode
in all fairness from what ive seen those worlds are all fairly...not that good
what you don’t see about the Chinese version is just how low quality and even MORE monetized it is.
@@aubreyathamenah the older world’s are great. Sky city and kung-fu are really fun but I know newer ones like steam ages and Fairytale kinda fell off. Still better than one new plant a month though
The thing is, the creativity is off the charts in the chinese version, it's great, BUT. They're just kinda pumped out and left to rot without any follow up, i mean FCOL Steam Ages only has, what, 17 levels? And all the jank that comes with them is weirdm
There is so much unique PvZ2 content. To bad it's all added to Arena and limited-time events.
25:40 "There's only like, two people that care about PvZ2 lore"
I'll let you know that me and my evil twin brother are really upset about this statement
Is your evil twin ItsCforCabbage?
It's him
Honestly I'm not surprised, given that you are the person who writes the dialogue for the mod I feel to be the actual sequel to Plants Vs Zombies...
@@butter0989 eyyyyyyyyy thanks!
@@doomawsogamingi thought it was “itsCforCone”?
23:15 For a player who is remotely comfortable with keeping tabs on the state of the whole screen, Ra Zombie is actually *weaker than a basic*, because it can be stalled pretty much indefinitely by just teasing it with sun to suck up.
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The Far Future time isn’t actually Al that vague. The preview of the world actually mentions how it takes place SPECIFICALLY in the year 2323, so we’ve got around 300 years to go before we can make any judgements there.
Honestly, I don't think we need a lot to make Far Future accurate, and most of those things can perhaps be achievable in 300 years.
I guess the big thing would be if we can sustain our kind for the next 300 years, or like about 3-4 generations worth of human beings.
But if we can't, no one would be laughing.
Walking robots are kind of a thing, jetpacks seem to be plausible, and holographic projection might be expected.
And for the aspect of zombies and plants...
I mean, Modern Day has zombies and sapient plants.
I think Power Tiles can be interesting... An automated way to spread plant food.
Which translated to the real world, can be like an artificial network to spread fertilizer.
There are inventions that mimic nature, and Power Tiles would be no exception, as it can mimic the fungal network.
Perhaps in this, we can control plants in a more so collective way instead of an individualistic way.
@@thealientree3821 "i guess the big thing would be if we can sustain our kind for the next 300 years or like"
yes vegetation can always get bigger, and animals can always be breed, as a extra scientists already studying if other planets can grow plants, and even managed to grow some plants on mars if i remember correctly, so "will earth even have space for that much humans?" probably not, but if technology continue this way, humans living in other planets may be possible.
@@RaphielShiraha64 that statement refers more to things like climate change, that, while they may not wipe us out, would undoubtedly eventually end human civiliation as we know it, perhaps permanently. we already have enough food and resources to support every person on earth, they're just not being allocated to everyone, both because of logistics and greed.
300 years from now we would already have insane technology. Remember, 300 years ago we had sailors, rudimental medicine, used to still fight wars with swords. Now we have freaking computers and smartphones to access or talk to anybody anywhere at any time
man all of us currently are gonna be dead by 2323 💀
I personally think Neon Mixtape Tour’s gimmick and specials concept is extremely interesting. Having a lot of really strong and threatening specials that aren’t always active and will rotate when they do become active is quite interesting and is far more interesting than things like Dark Ages or Jurassic Marsh which have almost no specials themselves. The Jam mechanic is the one I personally see having the most potential to be expanded upon and is one of my favorite gimmicks to deal with. Also, the music is absolutely amazing.
I think the reason why people hate ntm is because of the boss battle it's straight up unfair really.
@yes Understandable, but the boss is only one level of the world and it’s kinda wrong to judge a world solely on its boss fight.
@@the_godbodor7026 also the plants are trash too.
@yes Also fair, I’m just saying that the world gimmick itself with the music affecting specials’s activity is pretty neat
Honestly, the fact that the specials aren’t a constant threat, but (mostly) provide enough of a threat when active without being extremely overwhelming (aside from garg) is kinda impressive. I feel like they could have made the world much, much harder, but ended up finding a near perfect balance in difficulty imo. The fact that most of the specials have different counterplay also makes it even better imo, forcing weird but cool strats occasionally.
One thing I love about Modern Day is how genius the music is. As well as being remixes of tracks from the first game, instruments from other worlds are used. Not only does this reflect the time rift theme, but the modern life in general. We are so proud of our knowledge of history. It weaves its way into movies, shows, or just references everywhere. Some even make up history because they're so annoyed they don't know everything!
You'll love Holliday Mashup soundtrack then
i used to HATE going through Frostbite Caves after Wild West, however, i enjoyed it a lot through my last playthrough. it could be because i was forced to not use heating plants with the exception of Torchwood-which makes the world a lot more interesting imo-but the world is just easy enough to let other types of plants counter the ice enough which can feel really rewarding
Hello loved your original PvZ plants in pvz2 challenge it was a great video series and very unique I’m very excited for what you make next
@@freezasama5802 thank you dude!
Hey! I watch you!
@@theoriginalalex I love ur vids
Hey men what you think about make only pvz1 planta in the epic missions of pvz2?
In the base game I definitely agree Dark Ages is quite terrible, but I also find it rather hilarious how a mod managed to almost completely fix it with the addition of just one zombie. The Bandit zombie in Reflourished.
The main "challenge" of Dark Ages is the lack of sun, which forces you to either rely on weak but cheap plants, or have a very limited number of better but expensive plants on the field at any one time. However, thanks to cheap and free stalling plants like Iceburg lettuce and stalia, you can just stall out the game until you have a full lineup of sun production and now it no longer matters.
The Bandits changes that, as it's almost always the first few zombies you'll see in the world. They are fairly fast and will rush towards your backline and ruin any sun production in that lane quite easily, encouraging you to kill him fast, but after a short time they'll start backing off out of the map and will vanish. That already sets up a time limit, as you only have so long before it effectively kills itself, causing more zombies to come up and progressing the wave. If you try to stall him, he'll also start backing off, so your only two options are either kill him now, or let him eat everything in the lane.
He punishes stalling the early game in a sun-starved world very effectively, forcing you to deal with the larger and more dangerous waves when you aren't 100% prepared for them just yet. Dark Summons can spawn in groups of fire/explosion immune imps, King zombies can buff up the field quite fast, Jesters are jesters, and with all these meat shields, it makes Wizards much more dangerous since you have to try and work your way through the forward wall to finally reach them, even with many AOE plants. Stalling things out to get a bunch of sun production online makes them all far easier, but the Bandit zombie forces you to either lose that production line, or let those dangerous zombies start showing up before you are really ready for them.
The 75 sun the bandit drops when he dies, which sounds like a good bonus since free sun, but honestly it feels more like a consolation prize considering how it punishes stalling otherwise. Such an excellent little "haha too bad" from the devs, lovably infuriating design...
100% agree, or not ig, not reading that but good point! 💅
Tl;dr
The reflourished mod fixes Dark Ages by adding a zombie that forces you to either kill it early and pre-emptively progress the wave, or let it ravage your sun production. Either way, it counters stalling the early game.
sorry but i love the medivel ages so it is second favorite BUT BIG WAVE BEACH IS MY LEAST FAVORITE FOR HAVING THE MOST ANNOYING ZOMBIE IN THE GAME THAT BEING OCTO ZOMBIE
To be honest I really like Jurassic marsh for the amount of chaos that occurs if done right, but it’s just that the work was all put into the dinos and not the zombies in the base game, so it kinda screwed the world over entirely
yup I think the chaos is the intended design for this world, also because note that all the zombies (aside from rockpuncher which was an addition in the expansion anyways, and gargantuar obviously) in this world eat plants, which implies using plants like sweet potato, garlic and hot date is also intended to be a valid strategy to control the chaos
It depends, some levels make it feel like you're fighting against RNG,
While others give a sense of orchestrated chaos that was designed to be unavoidable but manageable.
On the whole I liked Jurassic Marsh a lot more than I thought I would,
There's just one or two levels where there's a bit too much going on.
And I would've liked to see a dino with hairmetal garg's ability instead of just being another punt the zombies forwards clone.
Agree, I love how quickly messy the entire round can get, because the zombies are CONSTANTLY getting pushed forwards, and putting them against Primal Peas and Chard Guards, that back and fourth is very engaging and interesting.
Despite the criticism that the world has no special zombies beyond them just being tanky, ngl I REALLY enjoy that simplicity. I truly thin it is intentional how all the plants and all the zombies are just tankier, stronger reimagination of already existing plants and zombies because it's the oldest world in the timeline of the game, so as a concept, it works.
Not to mention, and I know he wasn't ranking that aspect in the video, but if you rank the world-specific zombies, I think it's only fair to do the same for plants, and plants in JM are FUCKING INCREDIBLE. Aside from the perfume, which is world-specific similarly to Hot Potato or Thyme Warp, every plant is extremely fun yet simple in it's design, just like the zombies.
Wild West is the best world because it’s the only place I’ve lucid dreamed in. Very specifically, it was a dream where I was on the battlefield of the Wild West map and I realized to myself, “wait, there isn’t a physical person who plants these plants” and then I kinda just chilled with everything. I also tried pinching myself to wake up, and that didn’t work, so I could be dreaming right now and not know it. Thanks prospector zombie
I think the best way to change frostbite caves would be to have a plant like lily pads, but instead could be planted on plants that would heat in a more limited area. Could you imagine big wave beach without lily pad and only having water plants?
I feel like another fix would be to make all frost plants immune to freeze while making most zombies extra vulnerable to freeze/chill. Something like the frost mechanic for plants. Where they turn into ice blocks that other zombies have to break through.
So, basically Pyre Vine?
Hot Potato is supposed to do this, but it really doesn't due to its recharge.
One thing I quite liked in the mod AltverZ is Hot Potato is now immediate recharge, but costs 50sun. So if things get frozen by a stray Freezing Wind, you _can_ get the lane up again immediately - but you'll have to pay for it.
@@Zeldrake Eclise does this too but the problem is it is pricey to run alone, along with simply being a pain to have to click on it and each of your frozen plants every single time, meaning you will probably run heaters alongside it defeating the purpose of hot potato.
Big wave beach without lily pad? This would make an already unpleasent world downright impossible.
Frostbite Caves is interesting for me since I generally like harder worlds, but Frostbite caves finds itself pretty high on my personal list. Same with Dark ages and Big Wave Beach. I think I just appreciate it when a world dictates how you have to play, since you have to make do with what limited options you're left with beside the mandatory plants.
You seem like a person who would like pvz3 with not being able to pick your plants insane difficulty and environments that can be really hard to deal with
I love frostbite caves for its gimmicks, and I love bwb for its difficulty and gimmicks, but dark ages was kinda boring. I feel like there weren’t that many creative enemy’s and also it was difficult in an unfair way
@@Devinelix I think the only reason I like DA is because that's when I began to git gud as a child. I remember coming up with all sorts of strategies to counter those goddamn knights and wizards. However in the mods I play I tend to enjoy DA the least (mainly due to the nighttime gimmick). I only enjoy them when they have brutal difficulty to offset the initial dullness of those levels.
@@trekkinmain4974 I think the hardest one was (I think) level 18 ( the one with the chosen plants) bc there weren’t jus armies of knightd
Alternate title; Creeps discretely hating on the worlds with Kazoos in their songs
I am so happy for the Jurassic Marsh slander. Ever since I first played it I hated it because I loved this era of the world and seeing only one new zombie and the dinosaurs not doing anything unique from each other. And all of the plants are just stronger versions of older plants.
I have the same feeling in regards to Lost City as you have for Far Future. Sure, objectively speaking it is far from the best world with a bunch of notable flaws, but god DAMN the aesthetics are really appealing to me. The music especially is just perfect with the dynamics emulating the Jones films and I LOVE it. Like, the Final Wave theme ALONE probably bumps this world a couple spots above where it should've been (and also making me a staunch PvZ2 ost defender).
Yeah I always liked the music on Lost City! It sounds compressed like it's on an old movie, not even mentioning the final wave theme, that's insane
It's a small thing, but I like how the chapters all of have the same thumbnail and don't spoil which world is where by the ranking
i think a lot of problems you may have with the worlds are negated by just looking at them when they originally came out or from the perspective of a new player, even playing vanilla without seeds or premiums really does make the world gimmicks and zombies shine much more
I absolutely LOVED frostbite caves, that world was the most fun I had at the game. The assimetry, the funny music, the freezing mechanic, the funny looking zombies, it was great.
And the boss was also fun and original
Ayy I completely agree! It’s in my top 3 worlds. The look, the zombies, the boss, the ice pads. The music and the feels are very Ice Age-y. Definitely one of the better worlds.
Yep
For me Modern Day is thematically my favorite world. While its definitely nostalgia bait, I honestly thought the nostalgia bait felt mostly earned. Its the culmination of everything you've gone through in the game previously and serves a nice book end to the Adventure. The biggest disappointment for me though was that there was no unique final boss fight which is increadibly lame. I also aggree the base game levels don't even get close to reaching the full potential of what the world could have been.
i would have been fine with them just doing zomboss from pvz1 but again
Imo the modern day bosses are interesting but it would be cool if it also had 35 levels where the 35th level is a unique modern day boss.
And it shouldn’t be too hard to make unless it has a gimmick because even the super hard version of modern day has a boss.
Probably one of, if not the most well made video you’ve made imo (ofc behind the rise of kernel cult)
Only a fake fan would be unaware of the worlds' temporal locations. Far Future is set in 2323, and Wild West takes place in 1850. This was revealed to me in a dream and also in the world descriptions in-game
0:11 in an interview, George fan said he was the one who suggested the time travel theme of pvz2 before he left
I am actually so happy you ranked Wild West so high. I was surprised on the poll you made, not many people have voted for Wild West.
Overall, I loved this video a lot! Well done.
Wild West is always a w. The music alone is a S tier
I feel like pirate seas was done dirty but if the world is too easy I can see it. I really like the theme, gimmicks and atmosphere but yeah I can’t deny its too easy unfortunately. Its really interesting tho imo
Am I the only one who misses the “It’s About Time” tagline?
Me too
nae, we w u boss (っ˘̩╭╮˘̩)っ
20:49 yk the parasol zombie had a good potential if they actually added the ability for it to jump to the next column using the umbrella and cannot be blocked by wall plants adding an extra challenge countering it
Mr. Creeps20 I just wanted to say I appreciate your content a lot. There are only a few games that can hold my attention like PVZ does, and the content you make always satisfy my itch. I love learning about certain game's game design and balance, and I love making my own concepts and trying to improve apon what is already there, and your videos are always get me thinking and creating. Thank you!
The "Dark Ages" are also known as the Middle Ages. This period in history lasts from after the fall of the Roman Empire ( around 500AD) to the start of the Renassiance(1500AD). The name orginated came from a Italian historian in the 14th century called Petarch, who preferred the Greek and Roman times, calling them more advanced and sophisticated. Indeed, the Middle ages was a time of numerous war and bloodshed, and many diseases(notably the Black Death or Bubonic Plague) spread. However, there was many technological and medical advances during this 1000 year period. Some include advancements includes the building of complex cathedrals and castles, the Silk Road, and printing press and telescope. Despite this, the name stuck as some other scholars also agreed with Petarch. In conclusion, the Dark Ages was most definitely not dark, and many intelligent people lived during this time and made great contributions, but the name became popular culture as people tend to look at the negatives.
Sucking Galien’s cock for that entire time period slowed down medical advances immensely, you’re delusional.
Stupid is not the right word, let’s just say they put religion above everything else.
« Huh guys this roman dude who doesn’t know how blood flows is monotheist let’s base all our medical knowledge off him and ignore all the arab geniuses and execute anyone who proves him wrong »
I've always heard of "the dark ages" but never really knew WHEN it was, this was interesting to read and actully know what time period the dark, or, middle ages were...
The "dark ages" is a very eurocentric term, there was in fact plenty of knowledge and wealth being spread at the time, just not in Europe
@@kata4300Universities became a thing during the medieval Europe. idk why people loves to ignore this. The main problem of said period were muslims blocking trading.
@@kata4300even within Europe it’s flawed (plus people often argue the dark ages and Islamic golden age are separate things)
I also really like Wild West. I wish there was a Tile-Turnip style plant that can bring rails into other worlds.
I don’t see the point of that, it just limits the lane
I like how Modern Day is Creep's definition of "Yes, but technically no"
By default it has every gimmick therefore "logically" making it the best of all worlds , but by design it has HORRIBLE level design, on par with BWB (atleast I think)
dark ages had the best ultimate battle music ngl
True
Dark ages mid wave B is - super underrated
@@LuckyTeamOfficial Ye
@@LuckyTeamOfficial I know but big wave beach sucks because of the octo zombie but the dark ages is my favorite world
The best thing of Frostbite Caves was at least the music imo
Edit: That’s ok if you don’t like it Creeps, opinions exist for a reason!
The kazoo ❤❤
For a guy that doesn't consider Kernel pult as the best plant, no one should take his opinion that seriously
The UB theme is banger though.
That's the one thing I agree with him on Frostbite Caves lol
@@samszczepanski2281IT'S A PUNGI!!!!
"UPLOADED 6 SECONDS AGO" how does this keep happening to me bruh
UA-cams finally listening to you, which is worse? Them knowing or not knowing?
@@wizevmkloarm3462 I got no idea but it's cool not missing new vids lol
"1 YEAR AGO"
Always keeps happening bro smh...
@@pwotata9472 ues
@@pwotata9472 same
I love Far Future because after all the B.S. that was Lost City, which was mainly 1 level that had basicaly everything. So I had to look up a strat, then figure our good replaces for the new linear progression system, because it had plants I couldn't get. And the stupid ice of Frostbute Caves that somehow effects ice plants, even though they should be used to those temperatures and maybe get stronger because more ice. Anyway Far Future was fun, and in one last stand level made me realize that those are were Lightning Reed truly shines.
Pirate seas problem with aoe being really strong isn’t as bad as you would think, there is very little aoe accessible up to world two and the ones you unlock in world two are only slight counters like coco cannon and cherry bomb, both needing a long time before they can do there aoe damage, so it’s not a real problem that pirate seas is weak to aoe plants.
Snapdragon, an AOE plant unlocked early in Pirate Seas, and just a very strong plant overall.
@@professorcraze5559But also low range. If it had laser beams and Melonpults, then the game is just over.
9:29 The Jester massacring 3 lanes of plants with the Bowling Bulbs is really funny lol
Timestaps:
Ancient Egypt - 21:22
Pirate Seas - 15:00
Wild West - 36:24
Frostbite Caves - 2:17
Lost City - 17:51
Far Future - 32:43
Dark Ages - 6:08
Neon Mixtape Tour - 25:05
Jurassic Marsh - 10:45
Big Wave Beach - 29:06
Modern Day - 40:00
I think the worst part about modern day is the newspaper zombies. They were the inspiration for the busted newspaper zombies in pvz plus
Weasels ignoring tiles makes them more threatening if anything… I’d say ignoring tiles is using the tiles since it is a counter play to stacking sun producers/damage behind tiles. The world is still the worst of the bunch but I had to point this out
Just bring Lightning Reed. It’s not that hard to spam them
@@dawipeach8948or snapdragon, works better at everything lightning reed does while also heating nearby plants
@@jonaut5705 That works too. The only thing that makes Lightning Reed good is the low cost, chain damage and short recharge
@@jonaut5705Lightning Reed has more range though
Wild West has the best extra levels. All of them make think, I can’t use my setup. The reliance of mine carts make you focused. There are two issues that can be damned to the darkest pits of hell and that’s the boss and black bulls.
Honestly I wish we got more prehistoric worlds, it’s very nerdy and niche but there are so many wacky things you could do with the paleozoic and permian.
Cambrian World
Cambrian World
carboniferous world when?. Edit: I would also like a viking world, atlantis world with both underwater and above water levels, seasonal worlds like a christmas world taking place in the 1500's or a thanksgiving world with food-themed plants taking place in 1621
Trilobites go brrr
Imagine…
*MONKE ZOMBIE*
@@infinitypeaches3329 I know this is controversial,I would like to see a world taking place in WW1 or WW 2
The sad thing about Dark Ages is that Vanilla absolutely SHOULD'VE had a plague doctor zombie. Think about it! The Black Death occurred during the Dark Ages, this is a game about zombies, the opportunity is just too perfect to pass up!
That fan-made zombie from the first row of Google Images shouldn't have to be fan-made. Missed opportunity, Popcap!
Dark Ages was meant to be significantly larger but due to lay offs, they had to cut stuff. As a result it’s only 20 levels
Dark ages was one of the easiest worlds for me. My strategy was just to use 2 rows of sunshrooms, kill the early game zombies and graves with gravebuster and puff-shroom, then plant down bonk choys and infinuts with their plant food.
DA and JM always seem to have the least fun levels in mods. I always dread those 2 worlds in any playthrough. Also funny DA kazoo will reign supreme fight me.
JM was really good in Reflourished, it basically fixed all the problems I had with the world and rarely had any Ankylosaurses and Rockpunchers as they were deemed too OP. I hated the new Zomboss battle though
34:25 As a Terror from Tommorow player, I am thankful E.M.Peach exists.Otherwise my lawn will be wiped out by Lasers
I WILL NOT TOLERATE FROSTBITE CAVES SLANDER, IT IS ONE OF THE MOST GENUINELY FUN WORLDS TO PLAYTHROUGH.
I wish wild west had a "pea shooter-shooter" zombie
0:04 oh my god…
I just got it…
It’s about time… meaning
The game is ABOUT TIME.
At first I got the “it’s about time” as in its overdue, but I just got it…
I’ve played this game for years.
Finding a fanmade zombie instantly is literally the same with every world
day 22 in pirate seas is my least most favourite day because its a last stand *AND* the cannon spam stacked on top of each other
listening to frostbite caves' explanation and the bit with plants like split pea and bonk choy becoming better was pretty interesting, cuz while this is absolutely true, it can also be painfully awkward because of the ice winds/hunter zombies just outright freezing them because they aren't part of the heat bubble that's usually in the back
darn ice winds
22:36 That's because it's the only song that the original PvZ composer worked on. She only wrote the music for Ancient Egypt, but then quit Popcap.
dark ages and frostbite caves r my fav. something about the music feels so nice.
No, no, no. You've got it all wrong, Creeps! The Frostbite Caves music slaps!!
fr it sound so epic
And dark ages
Gonna break all this down lol.
-I have a soft spot for Jurassic Marsh and Frostbite for the music and vibes, but yeah they're definitely on the lower end of good game design. I love the character design of the dinos, too, they're very cute.
-I am very neutral on Pirate Seas. I just have no thoughts on it at all. Lol.
-If Lost City JUST made more and better use of the crystal skull zombie, I could see it being more difficult, but it doesn't, so it isn't. If they did, it could turn the gold tiles producing so much sun at such a clip into a bad thing.
-I find Ancient Egypt fascinating, because while it CLAIMS to be ancient, everything in it appears to be ruins and there are the explorers, implying the actual time period to be something at least Napoleonic, it's just a strange thing I noticed.
-Neon Mixtape Tour is so much one of my favorites, as I am a music nerd, I love the jams and how the music themed zombies all have uniquely dangerous abilities.
-GOD I hate Big Wave Beach for the most part, especially how killing surfer zombie TOO LATE causes him to still instakill and plant his surfboard. I also really despise the octo-zombie for everything he does to me. I would be okay with fisher zombie if the world gave you banana launcher sooner, but again, it doesn't, so it's not. By the time you have banana, you've already slogged through most of fisher zombie's appearances and I hate it.
-Far Future strikes my love of retro-futuristic aesthetics very well, and it's interesting lore-wise that the zombies are, ultimately, still around far into the future.
-WILD WEST!!! The one aesthetic I love more than retro-future, having grown up immersed in it. The minecarts are great for things like coconut cannons, which is quite a period-accurate for a plant, despite being from Pirate Seas. Wild West as a whole leaves you very hard-up for space at every turn, lawn crowding isn't something many gimmicks make you consider. The music sounding like time is starting to mess up could also explain why the bulls are robots.
-Modern Day is a huge nostalgia blast, and honestly? I'm a sucker for it. Everything about playing it sucks, but the music and finally seeing the classic zombies again is fun. That's all the good I can say about it. Why would they make me deal with octo-zombie and surfer zombie again? Why?
i agree so much on the dark ages part, *but you dont say the music is bad, sacrilegious!*
Jokes aside, well made video
Neon mixtape Tour's plants are some of the worst choices for the world, and really are the thing that let the world down for me (Speaking from purely Vanilla).
They all get countered in some way :
Phat Beat - Small area (3x3) so needs to be close up, making it an easy target against Instakills (Fun Fact : Most of the zombies do that! Rapper literally attacks the same area and can stop Phat Beat instantly). Plus, Glitter makes it devoid since the zombies behind it become immune, so it needs to kill the Glitter first.
Celery Stalker - Same problem as P.B. . It would be decent, but even Glitter can stop it, by either rolling it over, or by the zombies behind it.
Garlic - Same problem. Itd obviously be good with P.B. but again, instakills. Plus, Arcade can spawn so many zombies that it just gets eaten immediately.
Spore shroom - Again, same problem. Unlike P.B. or C.S. where they start at the front though, Spore shroom can spawn new plants at the front. Which instantly can be removed.
Thyme Warp - Usable in a single world. Plus if you have Breakdancer, then youre almost back at square one, with less sun.
Cactus - Glitter stops it's piercing, though the Spikeweed part is good.
Electric Blueberry - Countered by Arcade, who can spawn more zombies to take over the Thunder.
Almost all these plants attack from up front, where Insta-kills are. So basically, theres no point to bring them to N.M.T.
1 or 2 are good in other worlds, but most are either Useless or forgettable.
I now realise I forgot Intensive Carrot.
It's that pointless.
Atleast reflourished buff some of the plants in NMT and made thyme warp accessible
celery stalker can be really good when spammed early game as it is very cheap. i use it quite alot in most worlds. also its good for modern day for me as its good against msot zombies
I hope you don't like your food so much you create a time machine to eat it again, thus creating a time paradox where you'll eventually have to play modern day.
Can’t believe there’s no struggling prog rock zombie who must make the decision of radically changing their sound to fit the rapidly changing times in neon mixtape tour
His elitism blast would be too strong :')
For me it's:
11: Ancient Egypt, the most basic of level designs, not bad, but since it's the first world of the game, it had to be easy, but due to this, it lacks replayability. Not bad but when you have tons of other fun worlds, something has to be at the bottom.
10: Wild West, my biggest gripe is when they take away tiles to plant on, this problem is shared with the next world, however WW usually takes away tiles in the first few columns which is where most of the planting is done. I also find the minecarts finnicky to use. The only redeeming factor for me is the pianist zombie having great synergy with the minecarts, but other than that, pretty forgettable for me.
9: Pirate Seas, I don't care much for the first three areas, but PS and WW at least have replayability. I especially love how the field is laid out like a zombie ship has laid planks trying to invade your home. There are also much more zombies that synergize with the empty space gimmick as apposed to the stupid rail tracks who's main purpose is to unintentionally take up planting space.
8: Frostbite Caves, I love gimmicks that cause you to change your playstyle 'cause it forces you to choose plants you might otherwise overlook, and the freezing aspect is a great way to accomplish this. I also like the upgraded Chicken Wrangler Zombie, (now called Weasel Hoarder) who now spawns slower, but tankier weasels.
7: Big Wave Beach, another world gimmick that takes away planting spots, but at least with this one you have lily pads to counteract this, along with certain plants being able to be planted in the water. I especially like the attention to detail with Rotobaga and Ghost Pepper who technically levitate, so aren't affected if the tile they're planted on has water.
6: Dark Ages, by far my favourite music, it gives that whimsical medieval feel. It just lacks content, having the fewest levels of any world, but it's saved by the zombies. The Jester is my favourite since it causes you to rethink your entire playstyle, making you use plants you might otherwise overlook.
5: Jurassic Marsh, I love the dino gimmick, it creates an obstacle you can't kill, keeping a constant threat you need to keep in mind, similar to FC, but the chilling effect can easily be counteracted with hot plants. Unlike other worlds, where the threats are caused by zombies, and can be taken out with sheer power, the only way to deal with dinos is with Perfume shroom, and even then, it has a long enough recharge time where you can't solve all your problems with it. It's brought this low due to it having the fewest new zombies.
4: Lost City, if the music were better it would be at number 3, but it's overall carried by how well the zombies interact with each other, however I must say that the sun tile gimmick makes getting sun a bit too easy.
3: Far Future, this has some of the best music. I love the contrast with the jetpack zombie being quick, but frail, compared to the robots who are tanky, but slow. It also has one of the four Gargantuars who aren't just carbon copies of each other.
2: Neon Mixtape Tour, I love music, and having the special zombies activate their ability when their jam is playing is such a fun gimmick. Even the Gargantuar was given this gimmick.
1: Modern Day, Though it only has one gimmick, the ability to summon zombies randomly from other time periods is very interesting. It requires you to not only prepare for the shown zombies, but also for any curveballs thrown at you.
finally someone actually likes neon mixtape tour, it was such a fun world to play in
there are some placements i REALLY disagree on like LC, FF and WW but pretty decent ranking overall.
In the base game getting to modern day and seeing all-star, balloon, and newspaper zombie brought me nostalgia also I absolutely love the soundtrack of modern day with the mix of instruments from other worlds and it’s a remix from zombies on your lawn.
I don't know why but the wild west music makes me think the world is about to end and just brings very helpful stress so I consentrate also the trickiest challenges.
22:40 ancient egypt - I do think the game should actually *start* with Modern Day, then have Ancient Egypt be a world you can access that, y'know... actually has a theme. The zombies are Egypt-themed, but the world and plants are just the baseline. Also, I might be misremembering, but back in the day I think you could go out of order; each time you beat a level you would get a world key, which could be used on any world. That was great,
why did they change it
Edit to clarify: in this hypothetical "improved" version, the Modern Day at the beginning would function basically like a combination of the tutorial and PvZ1, getting you acquainted with the basic plants and having a couple special zombies. The time-travelly level at the end with the combination of all the different elements would just have a different name
Pirate Seas was definitely the best IMO until the latest updates where they decided to nerf half the levels for no fucking reason
Gnvs do you still consider bwb the worst world I am guessing you still think that.
@@yes3410 without a doubt, yes
It’s not just the wild west gameplay thats’s amazing, it’s also the MUSIC
I love all the music from the worlds, they usually fall off in the last flag (like pirate seas) but in general, they are great
41:00
nice that you showed the very first AltverZ level with a foreign zombie to show your point about that
00:07 wait! That’s not its name anymore? I always think of it like that!
Explorer Zombie seems like he'd fit in with Lost City zombies
As much I wish I could argue the frostbite caves because I do like them quite a bit,
Overall whole level pack didn't bring me grand problems and overall frostwind doesn't bother me that much it's understandable
Petition for a zombie tierlist, vote here:
Pvz2 taught me more about history than my history class teacher 😂
You just aren’t “cool” enough to love frostbite caves. Troglodyte power!
Every time we shifted up a tier, without modern day having been put on the list yet, I became more and more confused. Glad it got put in it's proper spot by the very end of the video
38:41 that zombie bull just got deleted off of existence
Big wave beach has got to be one of my favourite worlds, right alongside neon mixtape tour and Far future. BWB is hard but manageable which makes it really fun. Same with NMT. Also, the music is so good.
Once you ignore the annoying ass zombies in neon mixtape tour it becomes somewhat enjoyable
This video made me realize that "It's About Time" is literal, the game is about time and time travel, no idea how this took me until now to get
14:11 seeing electric blueberry getting thrown out gave me actual pain
Surprised neon mixtape tour is low considering how its a very solid world, one of the best
cant believe frostbite cave got placed so low when one of the criteria was music
8:18 fun fact: there are the normal "headstone" gravestones and the "reinforced" gravestones, intended for the expansion levels.
Actually camel zombie has one helpful feature: when one zombies in the camel is frozen the rest are frozen to
The only thing I like about Frostbite Caves is the boss cuz that elephant makes sick sounds
It’s a mammoth
Big Wave Beach can have annoying zombies, but its my favorite world, I mean just look at the level design.
I hate ntm because of it's boss battle it's straight up unfair. Really but other than That it's fine
You mean the incredibly frustrating BS level design it has in vanilla?
It’s not everyday when a the number 1 pick in a “Top 10” or “Ranked” video to be torn down to oblivion
finally someone who puts wild west in top 3
at least modern day is somewhat interesting because of the plot of pvz2
like yay youre at the point in time you wanted to go, now go eat your weird taco with a waffle
the modern day sound track gave me chills for some reason
i love the vibe in frostbite caves but the frost wings are so annoying
They aren’t that annoying
> There's 2 people who care about PvZ lore.
It's me, I'm people. Great video. Pirate Seas is my favorite world because of it's music, it's so chill yet so epic at the same time to me. It's weird.
Creeps: The true final world Modern Day
Caption: The true final world Monday
Me: Oh god not Monday
I like Pirate sea though. I think it mechanic. The special zombies and plants have fun interaction with each other.
I have a couple ideas for DA myself: (keep in mind I’m not a mod creator I’m just a person who likes conjuring up ideas)
Remember the Fog Levels of PvZ1? Well this gimmick I thought of is similar to that.
Medieval Haze:
While Medieval Haze won’t appear in all Dark Ages levels, in Levels where it does appear Columns 7-9 from the house will get covered in it and can only be permanently removed by plantern (which I’ll mention later) or temporarily removed by plants such as blowver and Hurrikale. Medieval Haze will also have 2 special zombies related to it those being:
Phantom Mist Zombie:
Stats approximate values*
Speed 0.5*
Toughness 400*
Special ability: phases through wall plants and low-ground plants.
Weakness: will get insta-killed by Blover/hurrikale and Plantern.
Other: Only appears if Medieval Haze is present. Spawns from the 7th column from the house, if there are Zombie Kings present on the Lawn Phantom Mist Zombie will attack them before going towards your house.
Phantom Mist Zombie are ghosts of previous zombie kings Eager to get Revenge for as they put it “Foul and Most Unnatural Murders” by the current King Zombie; only appearing when the land is covered in mist whenever there is no zombie king for them to take their anger out on they’ll all take their anger out on the plants instead.
And for the second one
Zombie Dullihan:
Stats:
Speed 0.2
Toughness 5400
Special: Attacks Plants 1-2 tiles in front of it with a Bone Whip that deals roughly 1.5x higher damage than a normal zombie, at half-health Zombie Dullihan will throw its Pumpkin head at the plant in its lane on the second column from the house, instantly killing it and the plants in a 3x3 area around it unless the targeted plant is removed, Immune to Hypnosis and Chill.
I’m to lazy to write an entry but I Will mention that Zombie Dullihan is based on the headless-horseman.
Also the theme for those levels would be a Dark-Ages styled Rigor Mormist.
Now for the plant I mentioned earlier Plantern would get unlocked after beating the first level that features Medieval Haze. And it’s relationship with Medieval Haze Will be same as it’s relationship with Fog in the original PvZ though Plantern won’t be exactly the same as the original so here are some differences:
Sun Cost: 75
Toughness: 600
Abillity: increases the attack speed of nearby plants in a 3x3 radius of it by 1.5x.
All other stats and abilities of it are the same as PvZ1.
Edit i changed its Sun Cost to 75 Sun because now that I think about it 200 sun would be too much for too little.
Third the Piano jam is awesome when did this zombie learn its piano lessons I'm actually interested at least for me it is awesome
I love the Neon Mixtapes' Boss concept of looking like a concert tho
Alright, here’s how I think DA could easily be fixed;
Add an alchemist zombie.
There’s already grave like potions that occupy tiles in the world, why not have a tomb raiser style zombie that causes the horde to push your defence? All the pieces are already there, they’d just need to create a model, and maybe give jester a weakness to lobbing plants or something to give cabbagepult employment, and add levels to be consistent with other worlds.
Edit: Raiser, not Raider
A tomb raider that threw potions would be an awesome addition.
hey i know a mod that adds this
hey i do too, weird
@@bikeborb7 are we thinking about the same mod no way
@@NeoBing :O
Something I always found weird, is how all the world are in dufferent places.
Ancient egypt is well, in egypt; the dark ages takes place in europe; the wild west takes place in the usa (the wild west was mostly the mid west, but the great wave flag looks like the Texan one, so ig it takes place in northern Texas?); big wave beach takes place in a well, a beach, if I had to take a guess maybe in the Californian coast?; pirate seas probably takes place in the caribbean; lost city looks like interpretations of el dorado legend, which would be in northern southe america (probably Colombia) but the look of the zombies and their technology makes them look like victorian colonial explorers, so it could also take place in Africa; judging by the suburban stile neon mixtape and modern day take plaace in the USA.
lost city takes place in the ruins of maya
@@infinitypeaches3329 but the zombies look like the european explorers who went to Africa tho.