The fact that they capture the xenomorph in the assembly cut made it better. It explained why the characters were so casual throughout the second act: because there wasn't any immediate threat to their lives. Without the Alien being captured, the second act is basically structureless.
The Assembly Cut is amazing. I love the whole Golic subplot. There have always been secondary antagonists in the Alien Universe. Usually motivated by greed. It is interesting to see the effect the Alien has on an unstable mind. The opening is amazing. Just how vast and desolate the place is.
I'm glad to see a video about Alien 3 getting its just deserts. Like the majority of good-natured Alien fanatics such as myself, I saw this movie at a very age, and predictably I absolutely hated it. The dialog was murky at best, the camera work confusing and I just kept saying to myself "Where's the Pulse rifle?" “Oh, there it is, WAIT, THAT’S NOT THE PULSE RIFLE SOUND!” However, I kept seeing the film on TV from time to time and I wound up buying the special edition which contained the assembly cut, which changed my view point entirely. This movie is now my favorite sequel, for a couple of reasons. 1. It tries to capture the atmosphere of horror again like in the first one; the creators of the first Alien wanted to make "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre in space", which they succeeded. This movie takes the model of the first one, updates it, and speeds it up if you will. For example, in Alien, it’s a slow build of up suspense and a burst of horror in the end. Note the long (sometimes excruciating lol) shots of the corridors of the space ship, as well as shots of the space jockey and the derelict ship. It’s a healthy blend of, “Holy crap, what’s going to happen next, and “Holy crap that happened.” Alien 3, just drops you into a world of darkness right off the bat; it’s a filthy, rusty atmosphere filled with characters that could have walked right of the set of the HBO show “Oz.” If that’s not terrifying enough, imagine you being in that world with a monster that lurks in the darkness ready to strike, carnivorous head lice that causes you to rock the bald look, your daily diet of corn bread (which makes its third cameo in this series), orange juice and cereal, and several dudes ready to cornhole you while screaming millenarian prayers at you. This may sound like a masochist’s paradise, but for me, it sounds like a nice pleasant stroll through hell. 2. I like the idea of having of the characters having to revert to their whits in order to kill the beast. No guns, no superior technology, no ultimate badasses (With the exception of Dylan who will always be an ultimate badass because he engaged in hand-to-hand combat with the xenomorph.) In one corner a blood thirsty efficient killer, “The perfect organism”, and the other a motley crew of rapist, thieves, drugs addicts, and serial killers; Oh my. It’s similar to predator, started off with superior technology (Aliens), ended with fisticuffs, sticks and stones, and getting to the choppa. This point is brought home with the deleted scene of them trapping the beast. Third time is the charm for ol’ Ripley. Look how many times they tried to xenomorph the creature in the first film? The Assembly cut is a fantastic film, this channel is awesome, and keep up the great work!!!
Having seen both versions, I think what makes the Assembly Cut superior is, for lack of a better term, being far less "Hollywood." It has far more character development (especially for Dillon, Aaron, and Golic), isn't afraid to expressly deal with the topic of religion in a mature manner, and has FAR fewer loose ends and plot holes than the theatrical version. My only complaint with the AC version is the less than stellar CGI effects (and the scratchier sound in some scenes). The alien isn't as believable in some scenes, and Ripley's new death scene... I'm not sure whether I prefer the original or AC Ripley death. Original sequence had, by far, better editing, effects, and looked more convincing, while the AC death shows how much of a threat an alien queen can be even without being seen, and spares Ripley the pain of having to give birth to her (though who knows, maybe dying before hitting the furnace... ARG, forget it, I don't wanna think about this any further), but is more jarring due to how it was crafted. My favorite new scene in the Assembly Cut was them successfully trapping the alien. Really took me by surprise, and was an awesome scene from a storytelling perspective. One of Ripley's attempted rapists manages to redeem himself by being bait, the audience gets a few minutes to breathe while the alien is trapped... and perhaps most fascinatingly, sets up a HUGE sense of dread knowing that the thing isn't going to be trapped there forever (and just how it escaped was probably the next best added scene, just... holy crap that was insane). Bottom line though... the Assembly Cut, somehow, turned Alien 3 from a mediocre sequel into a good one that's actually worth watching and considering as canon. It finally gave weight to the argument that, if you look past Hicks and Newt's deaths, you still had a good movie. It went from being a meh 5 or 6/10 to being a shockingly good 7 or 8/10 sequel that turned out... well, still inferior to Alien and Aliens, but now a genuinely GOOD Alien film, far better than it had any right to be given the now legendary amount of executive meddling it endured. That's an absolutely amazing cinematic achievement.
@@jmartin1774 def agree here. I would love another version that edited in the scenes you mentioned to the otherwise great Assembly Cut. Sadly it'll still be the dark horse of the original trilogy, but it's nice to know it has it's fans.
I need to see the assembly cut. Honestly, I always enjoyed 3 (theatrical and DC). Getting to know a more in depth set of characters makes me all the more intrigued. Thank you
@@capokub Assembly cut is great. As OP said, it takes the film from a middling 5 or 6 to an 8 at least. Another interesting thing to note - this was David Fincher's first movie. Imagine your first anything turning out as good as this did, given the amount of studio meddling that took place.
That speech always brought a tear to my eye. I've always loved Alien 3 and saw it as a fitting 'end' to the series. It was such a grim and gritty setting, with an interesting set of characters..... even if it did kill off my favourite action character of all time.
Yes that speech was just perfect for describing the life cycle of the Xenomorhs. I am in many ways sadden by the way this film was treated by both the studio and the audience. Alien 3 was so good in its entirety. I watch the behind the scenes disc and i wonder what could have been.
Alien 3 is the best. It has its flaws but it is underrated. Dillon was a great character and I really love his speech during the cremation of Newt and Hicks and the birth of the Ox Xenomorph
For me, Alien 3 is the darkest, the most disturbing and in general the most convincing from the franchize, as far as the atmosphere of the movie. David Fincher is a master of dark art for the silver screen. Just consider his other movies, such as Seven....
I agree completely. The much maligned film is actually the one that gets most positive reaction from people I've watched the franchise with for the first time. Obviously it threw some noses out of joint when it first came on the scene, but I think Alien3 actually holds up better than Aliens after all these years: the gung-ho jingoism and happy ending of the second film maybe just doesn't wash with more cynical, modern audiences.
@@johntaylorson7769 I just forgot to add one very important detail: I understand why some people have issues with the shorter cinema version, but the extended (and heavily modified in some parts) version available on DVD/BR has it all, without potholes in the story logic....
@@ladislavmalak444 Oh for sure. I always kind of liked the Theatrical Cut, but the Assembly Edition- the one you're talking about I think- is always the one I refer to when I talk of my love for the 3rd movie. God knows why they chopped it up so much (though I still prefer the dog burster scene over the one with the ox)...
@@johntaylorson7769 Exactly, my words, dude: the dog-burster could have stayed in the assembly cut.... Not sure why they made that theatrical chorizo, but I guess I read somewhere something about (then) young and unknown Fincher not being assertive enough, when facing the wallet-guys and "artictic approval" personnel.... ;)
I feel sorry for Fincher. He received so much flak for Alien 3 and it wasn't his fault. I wonder what the movie would've been like if they'd given him half a chance. The two things I hate the most about A3 are killing off Newt and Hicks, and the piss poor xenomorph CGI. It looked dated the day it was released.
The Golic subplot was definitely needed, it's omission was a rank oversight by the producers and Fox. Terry Rawlings mentions how he begrudgingly had to trim the film down in an interview. In the theatrical cut Golic is essentially left strapped to the bed in the medical bay forever.
Over the years, I've come to look at Alien 3 as a fantastic, emotional catharsis for one of Hollywood's most tragic and beloved characters. Gets me every time. Well done video as usual.
Director David Fincher certainly knew what he was doing. He tried his utmost in spite of studio executive interference to create a work of art. Sadly, the studio has ultimate control and just as with the blossoming DC cinematic universe, it suffers from incessant studio executive committee interference. Years later, Fincher refuses to return to create a directors cut of Alien 3. Its much like 1984's Dune directed by David Lynch. Another film wrought with studio interference which left the director extremely disgruntled and refusing to return to help 'fix' the film for the fans so many decades later. Such a shame.
MICHAEL MAH PHOTOGRAPHY The Assembly Cut of this movie is awesome. But I have to agree. It would probably be even more awesome if David Fincher was able to make a Director's Cut of Alien 3.
While reading the first few paragraphs of of you’re comment, I couldn’t help but think of Dune and it’s similarities with studio interference, then reading further on you mention about it, quite scary lol, as you may have guessed I’m a big sci fi buff growing up watching these movies through my youth
The assembly cut is far superior except for two things: I much prefer the alien coming out of a dog than an ox as it more resembles a dog. I also loathe the assembly cut's shot of Ripley falling into the molten steel. It looks like an unfinished effect. The original looked far better. Ultimately, we'll never get to see Alien 3 as it should have been, but it's still my favourite of the series.
While I'm actually content with the alien coming out of an ox, I do agree with you on Ripley's death-scene. That's one of the few scenes I favored from the theatrical release when compared to the assembly cut.
actually the theatrical version of that scene was completely self defeating. in the proper assembly cut, the queen does not burst out of her chest, giving ripley the proper "christ" status to die for the rest of us when she still had an option to live.
Just discovered your channel a few days ago and am immersing myself in it - great job. Nice to see Alien 3 getting some level-headed attention, rather than the usual rabid criticism. This is actually my favourite movie of the trilogy (it will always be a trilogy in my eyes), and the theatrical cut at that. The movie oozes atmosphere which I love and really took the franchise back to the horror genre, improving on Alien IMO, and being more suspenseful than the action flick that was Aliens. I love the bleakness of it all, the wonderful soundtrack, and the choice of “protagonists” as hardened criminals, which makes the viewer question who is the real villain in this - the xenomorph that is just behaving according to its nature, or the despicable criminals who chose to commit their crimes despite knowing their actions were wrong. Fury 161 is a dirty, dangerous, imperfect world where the characters have to make tough choices, compromise, and cooperate with opponents to defeat a greater enemy - not so different to real life - and IMO the sad ending of mutually assured destruction is the perfect tone to end a trilogy where humans have been doomed from the start. Keep up the good work!
Thank you! And that is a fair question. Mostly the resolution speaks to the quality of the footage I use, which is low in an attempt to avoid copyright bots. Still experimenting with the channel though, I hope to have the bravery to venture into HD footage and uploads someday lol.
The quality is okay especially considering you're likely source material can sometimes vary widely. Increase in quality of the videos sometimes also increases data needs and upload times as well. Obvious, but something not everyone that does this considers.
considering you work on the alien franchise as a whole. I believe you are correct in avoiding the copyright bots, even though what you publish is fair use and considered a lore channel, much in the same vein as mine, even though what I do is creative commons-based material with SCPs
I've always felt this was an underrated movie that gets dismissed too quickly... It's an entertaining film & the setting & characters were an interesting departure from the first two films. I thought the casting was spot on too! Thanks for showing Alien3 some love & nicely done with the video!
I appreciate the time you take with these really well and detailed videos of the alien universe. Also can you make a video about how earth is like during the events of alien-aliens.
Great video!! i think Alien 3 is pretty underrated,yes it has it´s flaws but it´s a very dark movie and quite disturbing too. It has a very unique style in comparison with the previous 2 Alien films,i´ve always found the planet Fiorina 161 as a very interesting setting and always wanted to know more about it and it´s prisoners.And let´s not forget The Dragon,wich is by far the deadliest Xenomorph in the series with the highest kill count.
I'm sorry BUT an 85 IS NOT AN Absolute Dipshit! I mean a Genius Is Like 160+.. Average IQ or Intelligence Quotient, is 85(!!) to 115.. Obviously THERE IS Higher.. I was NSW(Naval Special Warfare) Intel and I scored ON 3 different tests 122, 125 AND a 142. These all being Different Tests Which DO give You different Numbers.. As Well As your IQ Lowering or Rising Throughout The Years.. IT WILL CHANGE, it is NOT a Static number, Always the SAME. I DON'T THINK SO.. So to say "85" as a Put Down... I always Thought that the Prisoners IQ's WERE WAY lower They Just DON'T KNOW. As well as "85" NOT Knowing THAT'S Average!.. He's NOT The brightest in the group.. BUT He's Certainly NOT The Least Intelligent Much Less Mentally Stable.. You could be VERY Smart, But if you're a Coo Koo Clock with a Decent IQ, no one WOULD KNOW! They'd JUST See You're Mental Health Issues... It's been a downfall OF Many a GENIUS! The 3 tests In order were CognativeAssessmentStudy, Stanford-Binet IntelScale and the Woodcock-Jhonson TestofCognativeAbilities. I ALSO got a CRAZY 155 on the Universal NON Verbal Test. But I was Tested AFTER being in the Service and had Learned A LOT of NON Verbal Skills.. Especially if you're Underwater, YOU CAN'T TALK..lol Sorry Sticking up for 85 WAS NOT my intention.. He IS A DOUCHE!
Cody Klay IQ is ranked in a Normal Distribution that centers around 100. By definition 100 is the mean or average IQ. 68% of people are between 90 and 110, and 16% are above 110 and 16% below 90. That makes an IQ of 85 the lower 90th percentile in intelligence. For reference I believe the US military won’t let you in if your IQ is lower than 88 (if I’m remembering correctly). He is very dumb.
I love the look and tone of the film, but I just had the opening. It's not so much that Hicks+Newt died, but the whole premise of the egg on the Sulaco alone is maddening. So much retconning.
I go back and forth between 3 and Aliens as my fave; they both have a lot a great things about them, but what I love about 3 is that Fincher did make it really really dark. And being that the studio didn't have a finished script when filming started, it being David Fincher's first film, I think he did a great job with it and it foreshadows similar artistic taste to what he later did with Seven and Fight Club by making everything just dirty and delightfully gritty. While I do love it's content, I think it's Fincher's artistic touch that make it really beautiful in that off putting kind of way. Which is why I like the theatrical version more; the extended cut does explain more, and with the problem in size of the alien coming out of the dog, I feel the scenes that were omitted were cut in good taste because it does have better flow of the story. That and the dog "birthing" the alien was just so Fincher...I need to watch this movie now
I go back and forth between 3 and Aliens as my fave; they both have a lot a great things about them, but what I love about 3 is that Fincher did make it really really dark. And being that the studio didn't have a finished script when filming started, it being David Fincher's first film, I think he did a great job with it and it foreshadows similar artistic taste to what he later did with Seven and Fight Club by making everything just dirty and delightfully gritty. While I do love it's content, I think it's Fincher's artistic touch that make it really beautiful in that off putting kind of way. Which is why I like the theatrical version more; the extended cut does explain more, and with the problem in size of the alien coming out of the dog, I feel the scenes that were omitted were cut in good taste because it does have better flow of the story. That and the dog "birthing" the alien was just so Fincher...I need to watch this movie now
Cool video as always thanks :) My favourite parts of the assembly cut were the Alien being birthed from the cow (clever symbolism) and the trapping of the xenomorph and Golic's fascination with the creature. Human fascination with the xenomorph is a reoccuring theme in the franchise and I thought Golic's particular form of obsession was the most unusual way this has been explored so far.
Seriously Alien³ is severely underrated, the music, the acting, all of it was just awesome. I loved Alien & Aliens but I think Alien³ is the deepest and darkest of the series, the alien is even at it's most violent in the film. Love your videos, Alien Theory, they're all awesome!
I was absolutely enthralled the first time I saw the Assembly Cut because it was like watching a brand new Alien film from the "golden age" of miniatures, practical effects, and smart storytelling. I loved the alternate recovery sequence, especially the exterior shots of Clemens wandering and Andrews's report (the theatrical version is so goddamn hokey). The ox-burster looked awesome. The extended trapping sequence with Ripley helping her previous attackers in the heat of the moment, followed by Junior's sacrifice, added great depth to the "allies by necessity" concept and furthered the theme of redemption and self-sacrifice. Dillon's additional dialogue in the meeting hall ("You got a weapon? You got a blade? Then you take it out and you fuckin' use it!") and in the furnace ("This is as good a place as any to take your first steps to heaven.") were fantastic character moments that provided additional thematic value. The shots of Weyland in pain clarified his identity and Ripley's burst-less fall looked so much better than the cheesy theatrical version did. The only bit I don't like about the AC is the alteration to Elliot Goldenthal's score (the "Adagio" track) during Ripley's death. The somber payoff as she goes over the edge is sadly gone.
Alien 3 has grown to be my favorite Alien movie after the Original... It's bleak story and atmosphere was actually refreshing to me and the acting in it was great.... To me it was a movie going back to its roots... A bunch of nobody's facing a perfect killer... It was a movie that showed how deadly and clever the Xenomorph is unlike its predecessor that had Xenomorphs like cannon fodder for marines... I still don't get all the hate it gets, to me it was a perfect way to end the franchise... With Ripley sacrificing herself in the end... A very underrated film in my opinion
It's a shame the studio dicked around with it first time around. The only major issue I had with it was the not very good CGI. Give me practical effects every time.
The Assembly Cut is the definite version of the film as far as I'm concerned. Though I slightly favor the dog birth scene from the theatrical (I feel it intercuts better with the cremation scene), everything else about it surpasses the theatrical version, especially everything that has to do with Golic, who goes from a one-note character that just disappears with no explanation in the theatrical, to someone with an actual impact on the story. It's also nice that McGann's memorable performance as Golic gets more screentime in the Assembly cut. I also think Elliot Goldenthal's score is absolutely stunning and quite underrated. Fincher did his best with what he had (barely a script, constant studio meddling) and all things considered, it's kind of a miracle of a film.
it has to be an oxen since the oxen is a sacrificial religous animal and thats what makes sense within the context of the story fincher was looking to tell.
I like the deleted scene when the Xenomoroh chest bursts from a ox instead of a dog because I personally though that the Xenomorph was too big to come out of a dog.
I've only seen the version where the Xenomorph emerges from the dog but I've always thought the creature was way too big for a dog. The Xenomorph is so large it seems like it was just wearing the skin of the dog as a suit.
Some possibilities, growing within the animal and exploded out of it. Or the creators had no idea in mass and shape and just thought the dog was a choice for a face hugger victim. We can just chalk it up as "we needed an alien in here some how." However how does the dog die this time now that the ox has been added?
Another thing I love about Alien 3 is the strong cast. A lot of the actors are British. I mean, Pete Postlethwaite, Paul Mcgann, Charles Dance and Brian glover in an alien movie. How good is that!
would you consider doing a lets play of alien isolation? I think your commentary would lend its self very well to this. love the vids. binged watched them all in the space of a day. falling back in love with the alien franchise.
Truth be told I played Alien Isolation over the course of 2 years because I kept getting frustrated, leaving it, and coming back to it. I'm not a very skilled gamer, at least when it comes to survival games, I don't know if a let's play would be all that good. Then again I'd love to do a playthrough of AVP 2000. Found it on Steam recently and brought back great memories.
The game is nowhere hard as people make it to be. this is coming from a guy who plays nightmare mode: 1-Never run at all. 2- Never use the motion detector when Alien is near especially in the locker. 3-Avoid the lockers as much as possible because Xenomorph is scripted to search the locker your hiding in only use it when there are nowhere else to hide Most time you better off hide under desks, beds etc. 4-Ironically Xenomorph actually rarely searches the vents for you. 5-Guns are useful in a way to "summon" the alien if you are encounter hostile human and prefer to deal with Alien over them he will kill them. 6-Yes you should build/make a lot of Noise Makers / Flashbangs to distract the Alien. 7- EMP mines Boltgun(headshot) and stun weapon are the best way to deal with androids. 8- Flamethrower and Molotov cocktails are the best way to defend yourself against the xenomorph and scare him away.
You missed a few -- Christopher, Lawrence, Martin, Janni and Ed. They were all played by stunt performers and died during the quinitricetyline explosion sequence, but were named characters in the script.
the assembly cut is fantastic, the only thing i wish they had retained was the chest burst at the very end. perhaps it is because i'm English, but i have no issue with telling the characters apart.
Right! FFS people they have different voices! Like we wouldn't recognize and differentiate Morgan Freeman, Denz Washington and Wesleyan Snipes if they were cast alongside Dillion? Idiots.
I'm Australian and I can easily tell the difference in the voices appearance not so much but that's because I haven't seen it in a while. I have a theory that the yanks have trouble telling the difference between all the Englishmen.
I preferred the non chest burst ending..... was too cheesy for my liking. Also it makes her sacrifice a little more valid, as she technically died before the 'burn up' in the theatrical cut.
your videos are so awesome bro keep up the good work I'm a huge aliens fan. watching your videos and giving us information about everything is awesome bro
Alien3 is and will always be my favorite in the franchise. It is so grossly underrated, it's not even funny. My favorite addition in the Assembly Cut is the Golic storyline, I find it absolutely fascinating, and Paul McGann's performance is bone chilling ("sorry-sorry-sorry!!" after he cuts his fellow inmate's throat). Recently I listened to the audio book version of the official novelization and it gives even more fascinating insights into all the characters, I highly recommend checking it out.
I enjoyed the film upon it's release in 1992, when I was 7. The environment of the prison / factory was so real and the characters full of emotion. And with Ripley and the alien being the answer to their judgement days, seeing their attempts at redemption was an amazing cinematic experience for me. Seeing Dillon's death scene stands out as one of the most emotionally compelling in the entire Alien series.
Great video. Alien 3 is definitely my second-favourite film in the franchise (after Alien). I think it's hugely underrated, and doesn't deserve the hate it gets. Okay, it's not perfect, but that was mostly due to Fox's constant interference with the project. In reality, it's still a bleak, gritty and very 'final' chapter of Ripley's story. Glad to see that it's becoming more appreciated in recent years...
Most definitely and I think The Assembly Cut has a lot to do with it. They did a great job putting it together for the 2003 DVD then the 2012 Blu-ray and I think it has given fans a better idea of Fincher's vision, and is a whole lot closer to it than the theatrical. Though I like both versions tbh! A lot!
Great video once again AT! Found it rather amusing that Pete Postlethwaite characters name is David Postlethwaite and realised that the actor Holt McCallany who played Junior, also played Sam Whitemoon in another of my childhood favourite films - Creepshow 2 (Old Chief Wood’nhead). I always thought the cast for Alien 3 were highly underrated as well as the movie itself!
I absolutely love you videos - I was and I am still big fan of Alien 3. Atmosphere, religious aspects, characters make this movie great. I have spoken with people having bad reviews about it but personally I loved it from the very beging. Extended version is definitely much better and I completely don't understand why it wasn't released in this shape at the very begging.
thanks for the great video i have the assembly cut i loved the added scenes of the alien enprisonment and release hope to see more detailed videos like this one
Great video as allways, I would like to know more about the process of cocooning and hive making, what is that flesh-like stuff in the walls of a xenomorph hive ?? Maybe you could elaborate on this topic.
They really named a prisoner after each of the writers of previous drafts of the script. William, Eric, David, Vincent. Every little detail I learn about this movie and it's crazy production makes me love it even more.
I like the extended edition much better. Mainly because it sheds more light on the characters in the film and the dialogue. Thats the most underrated part of Alien 3 imo, its dialogue.
Just watched the Assembly cut the other day on Amazon and it's a vast improvement. It makes it easier to distinguish the prisoners and made Fury 161 feel more like a real and interesting place. I think the Golic sub plot was probably the best addition. The only problem is that I wish the scene of Ripley clutching the queen chestburster as she falls into incinerator should have been left in.
+Alien Theory. Just wanted to let you know, I hit that "thumbs up" button PRIOR to watching your videos! Why? Simply put: I know what to EXPECT in quality from you brother! I can honestly say that I have NOT seen one video of yours where I went "Meh. It was 'OK', I guess...". Keep it up brother! Because you have something special going here, and I sincerely mean that! Thanks for all the killer videos my friend! 👍
I really do appreciate that. Though of course if I'm ever putting up something sub-par, I can always use constructive criticism, too. Thank you for kind words.
Alien 3 was actually the first alien film i watched. My dad didn't want me watching these films, but i managed to get a copy anyway and this was my introduction to the alien universe. Soon after i was introduced to the aliens colonial marines comics before i then went on to watch the first 2 films. I was hooked. However I saw the original version first and there were a lot of oversights that screwed up the original. What the hell happened to golic? The last you saw and heard of him was when he was tied to a bed in the infirmary. The dogburster scene always broke my heart because I am a dog lover and the dog in the original did an amazing performance during his painful death. Now, nearly 30 years on I only accept the new assembly version, the dog was removed completely, and golic's demise was finally explained and as a whole the film made more sense. However I hated the fact that they killed newt and hicks after everything they went through to survive in the previous film, I felt their unfair death was a betrayal to everything the fought for. But due to the circumstances it was probably better that they had died. Having newt a child survive on a planet with over 20 rapists and child molesters would have turned the story very dark as they would have had to act on that to keep the realism. Secondly hicks being alive still would have caused a problem for the prisoners, being a soldier and potential guardian of Ripley, it would have caused more unnecessary story pacing with him standing off with the prisoners, not to mention he would also be able to back up ripleys claim about the alien. It works better when she is seen as the crazy lady spouting insane accounts of an alien creature without anyone else to back up her story. That said I was really excited to hear that Neil Bloomkamp was going to make an alien 3 reboot where hicks and newt survived and none of the events on fury 161 ever took place. He had Sigourney Weaver and Michael Biehn both invested in his story and were happy to reprise their role. But then Ridley Scott got involved and told him to stand down because he was creating Prometheus at the time and didn't want Bloomkamps reboot to overshadow his prequel.
I always felt that Alien 3 was actually the darkest, most-disturbing and bad dream-like of them all. The fact that the most-loved characters were killed off (early on) set the stage for its shock/horror and sense of dread value. It was probably the goriest (whether visually graphic or implied) of the first three, too. I remember leaving the theater feeling depressed and beat up, which means A horror movie did its job and was certainly a 180 of Cameron’s “Aliens.” My only critique was the inferior special effects which of course, were as a result of the movie’s many production issues. You did an excellent job in this and I’m always blown away at the detail of work and narrative dialogue you come up with for these shorts. They‘re like well made mini-documentaries especially for us Alien franchise aficionados who can never get enough.
I think the assembly cut is the better version of the film, especially in the 2009 Alien Anthology box set, where they were able to repair the damaged audio. In particular, the expansion of the story of Golic and his tie-in to the plan to flush the alien into the toxic waste bunker. That thread of the story really expands beautifully and you get that dreaded "oh no" reaction when you see him cut the guys throat and open the door. It's really beautiful. The expanded dialog with Dillon and Ripley is also good. You find out about their religion and outlook on being the despised and forgotten on a frozen dump of a planet where everything sucks.
can you do a video talking about all of the info about each marine that was on board the Suloco? it'd be a good resource to use for info on Crowe or Weirzbowski
I accidentally saw the extended cut with all the additional footage and it feels like almost an entirely different movie, obviously except for the parts that are infamous, the beach for instance and then finding Ripley covered in fleas and then the walk back to the facility gives the movie so much more depth.
In the assembly cut, Morse's idea to to use the furnace as a weapon at the sight of a lit match is my favorite addition. Those sad saps took so long to realize they had a real weapon they could use against the alien. It's less convincing that Dillon just thought of it in an instant. Who would after seeing so much death and destruction from their first (and failed) attempt to neutralize the alien?
At 2:06 it says "22 prisoners". But I recall in the film it says there are 25 prisoners. I've tried to track the total prisoners killed, but between getting sucked into the fan, dying in the fiery explosion, or killed by the alien, I can only tally 23 prisoners. Anyone care to help me out with this? Thanks.
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Clemens say that the facility had been reduced in population to 25 (plus two minders) after W-Y wanted to close Fury 161? You said 22.
Clemens included himself, Andrews and Aaron in his count. Later, when Andrews said that there were '25 prisoners in this facility', it's possible he was including himself, Aaron and Clemens as metaphorical prisoners, as they were just as isolated as the others.
Excellent video! There were a handful more convicts as well? A friend of my uncle played one of the extras that died in the explotion. Their characters where not given any names.
My only complaint with three was the death of Newt. Hicks surviving is really optional, if he lived than he should become Ripley's love interest but still die in the same scene the doctor does in the canon version. It would make Ripley's death sting even more if she had to say goodbye to Newt first.
I like the deaths the way they are, especially since we take over 40 minutes of screen time to mourn them. The xenomorph continually robs Ripley in this installment. "No, you can't have a surrogate family. No, you can't retreat to your base desires and have a casual lover. No, you can't even have a quick, easy death delivered by a friend."
The most important change to the assembly cut was the reinsertion of Golic's attempt to free the alien, which was rendered a plot hole in the original cut.
Vide posted Feb 21, and already over 1,000 likes. "When you Expect nothing and receive everything, that's destiny." Keep up the awesome job Alien Theory.
Pretty interesting! Have you thought about doing something similar with the Colonial Marines of ALIENS? I'd love to learn more about their service records. I already know about Drake and Vasquez serving in the USCMC to work off their prison sentences but what about Apone? Ferro? Dietrich? Frost? Weirzbaski? Spunkmeyer?
I saw it in the theater and loved it then. I still love it. I love all the deleted scenes and the director's cut too. I'm a huge fan of the franchise though.
For me there are numerous scenes that made the Assembly Cut better than the theatrical release. First of all, I loved the greater focus on the inmates, how they interacted and associated with one another... And the way it led to a more detailed portrayal of Gollic was great. Especially with his growing obsession with the xenomorph. I also liked how their plan to trap the alien in the toxic waste storage room actually WORKED. It made it that much better when Gollic let the beast out. I've said it before and I'll say it again... While I'd be content if Ripley's story had ended with "ALIENS", I found "ALIEN 3" to be an enjoyable movie. Sure it's flawed, but what movie isn't? In my opinion, it fit the narrative of Ripley's story well. Time and time again she has lost those who were close to her, who she cared about... And each encounter with the xenomorphs carried the risk of her death. The way I saw it, her story could just as well end poorly as it could end with her living happily ever after. Well... Relatively speaking. No doubt she'd be plagued by the trauma of facing the xenomorphs for the rest of her life had she survived. But her making one last sacrifice to hinder WY and take a queen chestburster with her? I could think of worse ways for her to be killed off.
I love Alien 3. It is just about equal to the first one. The acting is incredible and Fincher is a genius. For me Clemens is the second or third best character in the whole series. Dillon is great too. The Alien itself is the best design as well (at least in the close ups anyway).
I think it would be good to know the story of items surrounding the franchise in depth just as you extend within the films with your videos. A good start would be with the original toys like the 18 inch xenomorph action figure from kenner, I was born in 86 so I know almost nothing abut them (I was well acquainted with the 90s variants though)and that would help to connect the films with our world and what it meant to fans beyond the screen....
@0:15 "A less than than noble group of murderers and rapists." You mean to tell me that there's a noble group of murderers and rapists?! Wonder how that works...
great video man keep up 5he good work just one thing what if they never made contact with the xemorphs in the movies Manley the 3 and revelation also what if the clonioel marines were never made?
The fact that they capture the xenomorph in the assembly cut made it better. It explained why the characters were so casual throughout the second act: because there wasn't any immediate threat to their lives. Without the Alien being captured, the second act is basically structureless.
The Assembly Cut is amazing. I love the whole Golic subplot. There have always been secondary antagonists in the Alien Universe. Usually motivated by greed. It is interesting to see the effect the Alien has on an unstable mind.
The opening is amazing. Just how vast and desolate the place is.
I'm glad to see a video about Alien 3 getting its just
deserts. Like the majority of good-natured Alien fanatics such as myself, I saw
this movie at a very age, and predictably I absolutely hated it. The dialog was
murky at best, the camera work confusing and I just kept saying to myself
"Where's the Pulse rifle?" “Oh, there it is, WAIT, THAT’S NOT THE
PULSE RIFLE SOUND!” However, I kept seeing the film on TV from time to time and
I wound up buying the special edition which contained the assembly cut, which
changed my view point entirely. This movie is now my favorite sequel, for a
couple of reasons. 1. It tries to capture the atmosphere of horror again like
in the first one; the creators of the first Alien wanted to make "The
Texas Chainsaw Massacre in space", which they succeeded. This movie takes
the model of the first one, updates it, and speeds it up if you will. For
example, in Alien, it’s a slow build of up suspense and a burst of horror in
the end. Note the long (sometimes excruciating lol) shots of the corridors of
the space ship, as well as shots of the space jockey and the derelict ship. It’s a healthy blend of, “Holy crap, what’s
going to happen next, and “Holy crap that happened.” Alien 3, just drops you into a world of
darkness right off the bat; it’s a filthy, rusty atmosphere filled with
characters that could have walked right of the set of the HBO show “Oz.” If that’s not terrifying enough, imagine you
being in that world with a monster that lurks in the darkness ready to strike, carnivorous
head lice that causes you to rock the bald look, your daily diet of corn bread
(which makes its third cameo in this series), orange juice and cereal, and
several dudes ready to cornhole you while screaming millenarian prayers at you.
This may sound like a masochist’s
paradise, but for me, it sounds like a nice pleasant stroll through hell. 2. I
like the idea of having of the characters having to revert to their whits in
order to kill the beast. No guns, no
superior technology, no ultimate badasses (With the exception of Dylan who will
always be an ultimate badass because he engaged in hand-to-hand combat with the
xenomorph.) In one corner a blood
thirsty efficient killer, “The perfect organism”, and the other a motley crew
of rapist, thieves, drugs addicts, and serial killers; Oh my. It’s similar
to predator, started off with superior technology (Aliens), ended with fisticuffs,
sticks and stones, and getting to the choppa.
This point is brought home with the deleted scene of them trapping the
beast. Third time is the charm for ol’
Ripley. Look how many times they tried
to xenomorph the creature in the first film?
The Assembly cut is a fantastic film, this channel is
awesome, and keep up the great work!!!
Having seen both versions, I think what makes the Assembly Cut superior is, for lack of a better term, being far less "Hollywood." It has far more character development (especially for Dillon, Aaron, and Golic), isn't afraid to expressly deal with the topic of religion in a mature manner, and has FAR fewer loose ends and plot holes than the theatrical version.
My only complaint with the AC version is the less than stellar CGI effects (and the scratchier sound in some scenes). The alien isn't as believable in some scenes, and Ripley's new death scene... I'm not sure whether I prefer the original or AC Ripley death. Original sequence had, by far, better editing, effects, and looked more convincing, while the AC death shows how much of a threat an alien queen can be even without being seen, and spares Ripley the pain of having to give birth to her (though who knows, maybe dying before hitting the furnace... ARG, forget it, I don't wanna think about this any further), but is more jarring due to how it was crafted.
My favorite new scene in the Assembly Cut was them successfully trapping the alien. Really took me by surprise, and was an awesome scene from a storytelling perspective. One of Ripley's attempted rapists manages to redeem himself by being bait, the audience gets a few minutes to breathe while the alien is trapped... and perhaps most fascinatingly, sets up a HUGE sense of dread knowing that the thing isn't going to be trapped there forever (and just how it escaped was probably the next best added scene, just... holy crap that was insane).
Bottom line though... the Assembly Cut, somehow, turned Alien 3 from a mediocre sequel into a good one that's actually worth watching and considering as canon. It finally gave weight to the argument that, if you look past Hicks and Newt's deaths, you still had a good movie. It went from being a meh 5 or 6/10 to being a shockingly good 7 or 8/10 sequel that turned out... well, still inferior to Alien and Aliens, but now a genuinely GOOD Alien film, far better than it had any right to be given the now legendary amount of executive meddling it endured. That's an absolutely amazing cinematic achievement.
@@jmartin1774 def agree here. I would love another version that edited in the scenes you mentioned to the otherwise great Assembly Cut. Sadly it'll still be the dark horse of the original trilogy, but it's nice to know it has it's fans.
I need to see the assembly cut. Honestly, I always enjoyed 3 (theatrical and DC). Getting to know a more in depth set of characters makes me all the more intrigued. Thank you
@@capokub Assembly cut is great. As OP said, it takes the film from a middling 5 or 6 to an 8 at least. Another interesting thing to note - this was David Fincher's first movie. Imagine your first anything turning out as good as this did, given the amount of studio meddling that took place.
There is a 4k ai upscale of the assembly cut I just watched. It is absolutely gorgeous.
@@acevendettaflightclips2189on UA-cam?
I love Alien 3. Favorite character is Dillion. Love his speech when cremating the body of Nute. Thank you for the video.
That speech always brought a tear to my eye. I've always loved Alien 3 and saw it as a fitting 'end' to the series. It was such a grim and gritty setting, with an interesting set of characters..... even if it did kill off my favourite action character of all time.
Yes that speech was just perfect for describing the life cycle of the Xenomorhs. I am in many ways sadden by the way this film was treated by both the studio and the audience. Alien 3 was so good in its entirety. I watch the behind the scenes disc and i wonder what could have been.
Mi general
Dillon was compelling.. awesome
Alien 3 is the best. It has its flaws but it is underrated. Dillon was a great character and I really love his speech during the cremation of Newt and Hicks and the birth of the Ox Xenomorph
For me, Alien 3 is the darkest, the most disturbing and in general the most convincing from the franchize, as far as the atmosphere of the movie. David Fincher is a master of dark art for the silver screen. Just consider his other movies, such as Seven....
I agree completely. The much maligned film is actually the one that gets most positive reaction from people I've watched the franchise with for the first time. Obviously it threw some noses out of joint when it first came on the scene, but I think Alien3 actually holds up better than Aliens after all these years: the gung-ho jingoism and happy ending of the second film maybe just doesn't wash with more cynical, modern audiences.
@@johntaylorson7769 I just forgot to add one very important detail: I understand why some people have issues with the shorter cinema version, but the extended (and heavily modified in some parts) version available on DVD/BR has it all, without potholes in the story logic....
@@ladislavmalak444 Oh for sure. I always kind of liked the Theatrical Cut, but the Assembly Edition- the one you're talking about I think- is always the one I refer to when I talk of my love for the 3rd movie. God knows why they chopped it up so much (though I still prefer the dog burster scene over the one with the ox)...
@@johntaylorson7769 Exactly, my words, dude: the dog-burster could have stayed in the assembly cut.... Not sure why they made that theatrical chorizo, but I guess I read somewhere something about (then) young and unknown Fincher not being assertive enough, when facing the wallet-guys and "artictic approval" personnel.... ;)
I feel sorry for Fincher. He received so much flak for Alien 3 and it wasn't his fault. I wonder what the movie would've been like if they'd given him half a chance. The two things I hate the most about A3 are killing off Newt and Hicks, and the piss poor xenomorph CGI. It looked dated the day it was released.
The Golic subplot was definitely needed, it's omission was a rank oversight by the producers and Fox. Terry Rawlings mentions how he begrudgingly had to trim the film down in an interview. In the theatrical cut Golic is essentially left strapped to the bed in the medical bay forever.
Over the years, I've come to look at Alien 3 as a fantastic, emotional catharsis for one of Hollywood's most tragic and beloved characters. Gets me every time.
Well done video as usual.
Your commentary is THROUGH THE ROOF ! Outstanding man....FRKN OUTSTANDING !
Director David Fincher certainly knew what he was doing. He tried his utmost in spite of studio executive interference to create a work of art. Sadly, the studio has ultimate control and just as with the blossoming DC cinematic universe, it suffers from incessant studio executive committee interference. Years later, Fincher refuses to return to create a directors cut of Alien 3.
Its much like 1984's Dune directed by David Lynch. Another film wrought with studio interference which left the director extremely disgruntled and refusing to return to help 'fix' the film for the fans so many decades later. Such a shame.
Exactly, especially with how Warner Bros. are ruining the DC cinematic universe.
MICHAEL MAH PHOTOGRAPHY The Assembly Cut of this movie is awesome. But I have to agree. It would probably be even more awesome if David Fincher was able to make a Director's Cut of Alien 3.
While reading the first few paragraphs of of you’re comment, I couldn’t help but think of Dune and it’s similarities with studio interference, then reading further on you mention about it, quite scary lol, as you may have guessed I’m a big sci fi buff growing up watching these movies through my youth
The assembly cut is far superior except for two things: I much prefer the alien coming out of a dog than an ox as it more resembles a dog. I also loathe the assembly cut's shot of Ripley falling into the molten steel. It looks like an unfinished effect. The original looked far better. Ultimately, we'll never get to see Alien 3 as it should have been, but it's still my favourite of the series.
I think it's meant to look more ethereal; not like she's being incinerated, but passing into the beyond.
While I'm actually content with the alien coming out of an ox, I do agree with you on Ripley's death-scene. That's one of the few scenes I favored from the theatrical release when compared to the assembly cut.
actually the theatrical version of that scene was completely self defeating. in the proper assembly cut, the queen does not burst out of her chest, giving ripley the proper "christ" status to die for the rest of us when she still had an option to live.
You know things went bad when a video is better than the movie itsself. Not to take anything away from this vid, its fantastic. Thank you.
Just discovered your channel a few days ago and am immersing myself in it - great job.
Nice to see Alien 3 getting some level-headed attention, rather than the usual rabid criticism. This is actually my favourite movie of the trilogy (it will always be a trilogy in my eyes), and the theatrical cut at that. The movie oozes atmosphere which I love and really took the franchise back to the horror genre, improving on Alien IMO, and being more suspenseful than the action flick that was Aliens. I love the bleakness of it all, the wonderful soundtrack, and the choice of “protagonists” as hardened criminals, which makes the viewer question who is the real villain in this - the xenomorph that is just behaving according to its nature, or the despicable criminals who chose to commit their crimes despite knowing their actions were wrong.
Fury 161 is a dirty, dangerous, imperfect world where the characters have to make tough choices, compromise, and cooperate with opponents to defeat a greater enemy - not so different to real life - and IMO the sad ending of mutually assured destruction is the perfect tone to end a trilogy where humans have been doomed from the start.
Keep up the good work!
Damn, you're consistently pushing out awesome videos, I love your channel! One question though: How come you're only uploading in max 480p?
Thank you! And that is a fair question. Mostly the resolution speaks to the quality of the footage I use, which is low in an attempt to avoid copyright bots. Still experimenting with the channel though, I hope to have the bravery to venture into HD footage and uploads someday lol.
The quality is okay especially considering you're likely source material can sometimes vary widely. Increase in quality of the videos sometimes also increases data needs and upload times as well. Obvious, but something not everyone that does this considers.
I feel the lower quality fits well with the footage, though that's just my opinion.
I actually don't mind the quality in this medium. The grainy gritty look suits the topics well imho
considering you work on the alien franchise as a whole. I believe you are correct in avoiding the copyright bots, even though what you publish is fair use and considered a lore channel, much in the same vein as mine, even though what I do is creative commons-based material with SCPs
I've always felt this was an underrated movie that gets dismissed too quickly... It's an entertaining film & the setting & characters were an interesting departure from the first two films. I thought the casting was spot on too! Thanks for showing Alien3 some love & nicely done with the video!
I love the way he's delving more into the back story of Fury 161 recently. 🖒
I appreciate the time you take with these really well and detailed videos of the alien universe. Also can you make a video about how earth is like during the events of alien-aliens.
I love Clemons. In fact, I love almost any role Charles Dance takes. He’s an amazing character actor.
I was mad to see the character go. The best guy on that creepy planet.
Great video!! i think Alien 3 is pretty underrated,yes it has it´s flaws but it´s a very dark movie and quite disturbing too. It has a very unique style in comparison with the previous 2 Alien films,i´ve always found the planet Fiorina 161 as a very interesting setting and always wanted to know more about it and it´s prisoners.And let´s not forget The Dragon,wich is by far the deadliest Xenomorph in the series with the highest kill count.
NicoParasite agree,i don't understand why alien 3 always gets so much hate ,i think the atmosphere and setting are great
Indeed,i think more people need to watch the assembly cut,not everyone knows of it´s existence and that version makes Alien 3 a better movie
NicoParasite yes and it is one of those movies that gets better every time you watch it
Hentai BlastTM hehe i see you hate it too
Hentai BlastTM i think there are no plot holes .što cares how egg got to sulaco .and about cgi....if you mean about alien it was not cgi but puppet
What's this "eighty-five" thing??
A couple of us sneaked a look at his personnel file the day he arrived. It's his IQ.
DeLiqueRS At least he was smart enough not to get himself a life sentence.
I'm sorry BUT an 85 IS NOT AN Absolute Dipshit! I mean a Genius Is Like 160+.. Average IQ or Intelligence Quotient, is 85(!!) to 115.. Obviously THERE IS Higher.. I was NSW(Naval Special Warfare) Intel and I scored ON 3 different tests 122, 125 AND a 142. These all being Different Tests Which DO give You different Numbers.. As Well As your IQ Lowering or Rising Throughout The Years.. IT WILL CHANGE, it is NOT a Static number, Always the SAME. I DON'T THINK SO.. So to say "85" as a Put Down... I always Thought that the Prisoners IQ's WERE WAY lower They Just DON'T KNOW. As well as "85" NOT Knowing THAT'S Average!.. He's NOT The brightest in the group.. BUT He's Certainly NOT The Least Intelligent Much Less Mentally Stable.. You could be VERY Smart, But if you're a Coo Koo Clock with a Decent IQ, no one WOULD KNOW! They'd JUST See You're Mental Health Issues... It's been a downfall OF Many a GENIUS! The 3 tests In order were CognativeAssessmentStudy, Stanford-Binet IntelScale and the Woodcock-Jhonson TestofCognativeAbilities. I ALSO got a CRAZY 155 on the Universal NON Verbal Test. But I was Tested AFTER being in the Service and had Learned A LOT of NON Verbal Skills.. Especially if you're Underwater, YOU CAN'T TALK..lol Sorry Sticking up for 85 WAS NOT my intention..
He IS A DOUCHE!
Cody Klay IQ is ranked in a Normal Distribution that centers around 100. By definition 100 is the mean or average IQ. 68% of people are between 90 and 110, and 16% are above 110 and 16% below 90. That makes an IQ of 85 the lower 90th percentile in intelligence. For reference I believe the US military won’t let you in if your IQ is lower than 88 (if I’m remembering correctly). He is very dumb.
@@shaunenwright7872 The minimum IQ requirement for the US military is 88? Could've fooled me...
@Eddy Charles But he was dumb enough to get himself killed even after being one of only of three people to escape from the Alien🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿
This is probably my favorite video of yours yet. Love Alien 3. Love this channel. Thanks for the great content.
Alien 3 is my second favourite Alien movie! Great atmosphere!
voice of amos Same here. My rating for the four movies: 1# Aliens, 2# Alien 3, 3# Alien, 4# Alien: Resurrection.
That is indeed the correct order.
I love the look and tone of the film, but I just had the opening. It's not so much that Hicks+Newt died, but the whole premise of the egg on the Sulaco alone is maddening. So much retconning.
I go back and forth between 3 and Aliens as my fave; they both have a lot a great things about them, but what I love about 3 is that Fincher did make it really really dark. And being that the studio didn't have a finished script when filming started, it being David Fincher's first film, I think he did a great job with it and it foreshadows similar artistic taste to what he later did with Seven and Fight Club by making everything just dirty and delightfully gritty. While I do love it's content, I think it's Fincher's artistic touch that make it really beautiful in that off putting kind of way. Which is why I like the theatrical version more; the extended cut does explain more, and with the problem in size of the alien coming out of the dog, I feel the scenes that were omitted were cut in good taste because it does have better flow of the story. That and the dog "birthing" the alien was just so Fincher...I need to watch this movie now
I go back and forth between 3 and Aliens as my fave; they both have a lot a great things about them, but what I love about 3 is that Fincher did make it really really dark. And being that the studio didn't have a finished script when filming started, it being David Fincher's first film, I think he did a great job with it and it foreshadows similar artistic taste to what he later did with Seven and Fight Club by making everything just dirty and delightfully gritty. While I do love it's content, I think it's Fincher's artistic touch that make it really beautiful in that off putting kind of way. Which is why I like the theatrical version more; the extended cut does explain more, and with the problem in size of the alien coming out of the dog, I feel the scenes that were omitted were cut in good taste because it does have better flow of the story. That and the dog "birthing" the alien was just so Fincher...I need to watch this movie now
One of your best vids yet. Alien 3 with a few tweaks could have been a classic.great characters let down by script,FX and production.
Best vid yet bro.
Absolutely the most concise channel for alien details. Really happily subscribed.
Cool video as always thanks :) My favourite parts of the assembly cut were the Alien being birthed from the cow (clever symbolism) and the trapping of the xenomorph and Golic's fascination with the creature. Human fascination with the xenomorph is a reoccuring theme in the franchise and I thought Golic's particular form of obsession was the most unusual way this has been explored so far.
Seriously Alien³ is severely underrated, the music, the acting, all of it was just awesome. I loved Alien & Aliens but I think Alien³ is the deepest and darkest of the series, the alien is even at it's most violent in the film. Love your videos, Alien Theory, they're all awesome!
Alien 3's score by Elliot Goldenthal is brilliant.
Great video, thank you for posting this. I still rate Alien 3 the most underrated movie of all time, I personally love this movie.
your channel is incredible buddy.
I much prefer the assembly cut version and believe it makes the film stand up alongside the first two
I was absolutely enthralled the first time I saw the Assembly Cut because it was like watching a brand new Alien film from the "golden age" of miniatures, practical effects, and smart storytelling. I loved the alternate recovery sequence, especially the exterior shots of Clemens wandering and Andrews's report (the theatrical version is so goddamn hokey). The ox-burster looked awesome. The extended trapping sequence with Ripley helping her previous attackers in the heat of the moment, followed by Junior's sacrifice, added great depth to the "allies by necessity" concept and furthered the theme of redemption and self-sacrifice. Dillon's additional dialogue in the meeting hall ("You got a weapon? You got a blade? Then you take it out and you fuckin' use it!") and in the furnace ("This is as good a place as any to take your first steps to heaven.") were fantastic character moments that provided additional thematic value. The shots of Weyland in pain clarified his identity and Ripley's burst-less fall looked so much better than the cheesy theatrical version did.
The only bit I don't like about the AC is the alteration to Elliot Goldenthal's score (the "Adagio" track) during Ripley's death. The somber payoff as she goes over the edge is sadly gone.
Alien 3 has grown to be my favorite Alien movie after the Original... It's bleak story and atmosphere was actually refreshing to me and the acting in it was great.... To me it was a movie going back to its roots... A bunch of nobody's facing a perfect killer... It was a movie that showed how deadly and clever the Xenomorph is unlike its predecessor that had Xenomorphs like cannon fodder for marines... I still don't get all the hate it gets, to me it was a perfect way to end the franchise... With Ripley sacrificing herself in the end... A very underrated film in my opinion
3 is the best of the lot.
Next to 1 of course.
Agree all the way.
Indiana Jones nah aliens for me, it explained the life cycle and had some amazing fight scenes
It's a shame the studio dicked around with it first time around. The only major issue I had with it was the not very good CGI. Give me practical effects every time.
I always felt Alien3 was sorely underrated...I need to check out that 2003 version.
Binged all of your videos today, keep up the stellar work! Would love to see more stuff about Aliens
The Assembly Cut is the definite version of the film as far as I'm concerned. Though I slightly favor the dog birth scene from the theatrical (I feel it intercuts better with the cremation scene), everything else about it surpasses the theatrical version, especially everything that has to do with Golic, who goes from a one-note character that just disappears with no explanation in the theatrical, to someone with an actual impact on the story. It's also nice that McGann's memorable performance as Golic gets more screentime in the Assembly cut. I also think Elliot Goldenthal's score is absolutely stunning and quite underrated. Fincher did his best with what he had (barely a script, constant studio meddling) and all things considered, it's kind of a miracle of a film.
it has to be an oxen since the oxen is a sacrificial religous animal and thats what makes sense within the context of the story fincher was looking to tell.
I like the deleted scene when the Xenomoroh chest bursts from a ox instead of a dog because I personally though that the Xenomorph was too big to come out of a dog.
Wolf10media Yeah, I understand that. I'm just saying that it made sense that it can out if an ox due to the Xenomorph's size.
Point. Though strange it may be that was its "infant" form before it shed and grew.. much bigger. Each their own my friend, stay awesome
I've only seen the version where the Xenomorph emerges from the dog but I've always thought the creature was way too big for a dog. The Xenomorph is so large it seems like it was just wearing the skin of the dog as a suit.
I agree. So why was it so big? There wasn't any room in its body for the dog's organs, muscle or bones.
Some possibilities, growing within the animal and exploded out of it. Or the creators had no idea in mass and shape and just thought the dog was a choice for a face hugger victim. We can just chalk it up as "we needed an alien in here some how." However how does the dog die this time now that the ox has been added?
This Channel is Awesome! These videos are killer
Thank you! :)
I am a 46 yo, alien predator fan, and may I say keep bringing out these awsome stories.Great job!!!!!!!!!!!
Love your stuff. Keep up the good work!
Another thing I love about Alien 3 is the strong cast. A lot of the actors are British.
I mean, Pete Postlethwaite, Paul Mcgann, Charles Dance and Brian glover in an alien movie. How good is that!
The problem was the shaved heads basically led to watchers not knowing who was who and diminishing their performances.
I LOVE Alien 3, thanks for this video and keep em' coming!
Your videos are awesome and so interesting. Thank you so much for taking the time.
+PAUL TRAINOR thank you for watching :)
Can you just make a video about the bonus situation?
Иван Иванов The best Alien comment ever!
Right.
Oh, that'll have to wait; MU-TH-UR's calling.
Right
As a parrot would say: "right"
"David Postlewaite" was played by the late-great Peter Postlewaite. Such a great and versatile actor.
I came to the comments to see if anyone elsed noticed. He was a great talent.
Hakeswill in Sharpe played insanely well.
would you consider doing a lets play of alien isolation? I think your commentary would lend its self very well to this. love the vids. binged watched them all in the space of a day. falling back in love with the alien franchise.
Truth be told I played Alien Isolation over the course of 2 years because I kept getting frustrated, leaving it, and coming back to it. I'm not a very skilled gamer, at least when it comes to survival games, I don't know if a let's play would be all that good. Then again I'd love to do a playthrough of AVP 2000. Found it on Steam recently and brought back great memories.
The game is nowhere hard as people make it to be. this is coming from a guy who plays nightmare mode:
1-Never run at all.
2- Never use the motion detector when Alien is near especially in the locker.
3-Avoid the lockers as much as possible because Xenomorph is scripted to search the locker your hiding in only use it when there are nowhere else to hide Most time you better off hide under desks, beds etc.
4-Ironically Xenomorph actually rarely searches the vents for you.
5-Guns are useful in a way to "summon" the alien if you are encounter hostile human and prefer to deal with Alien over them he will kill them.
6-Yes you should build/make a lot of Noise Makers / Flashbangs to distract the Alien.
7- EMP mines Boltgun(headshot) and stun weapon are the best way to deal with androids.
8- Flamethrower and Molotov cocktails are the best way to defend yourself against the xenomorph and scare him away.
A well documented video with facts and interesting theories, loved it. Great film and great video.
You missed a few -- Christopher, Lawrence, Martin, Janni and Ed. They were all played by stunt performers and died during the quinitricetyline explosion sequence, but were named characters in the script.
the assembly cut is fantastic, the only thing i wish they had retained was the chest burst at the very end. perhaps it is because i'm English, but i have no issue with telling the characters apart.
Right! FFS people they have different voices! Like we wouldn't recognize and differentiate Morgan Freeman, Denz Washington and Wesleyan Snipes if they were cast alongside Dillion? Idiots.
I'm Australian and I can easily tell the difference in the voices appearance not so much but that's because I haven't seen it in a while. I have a theory that the yanks have trouble telling the difference between all the Englishmen.
Exactly, the theatrical ending was way more dramatic. I loved how Ripley held on to the Chestburster in order to make sure it got killed.
I preferred the non chest burst ending..... was too cheesy for my liking. Also it makes her sacrifice a little more valid, as she technically died before the 'burn up' in the theatrical cut.
damn true, that was important.
Fantastic job on this video. Mad props.
Love your videos. You should do a blu-ray compilation with all of them one day. I'll buy it!
another amazing piece of work. great job.
Really enjoying your content! Thank you
I'm loving your work. Keep it up!
your videos are so awesome bro keep up the good work I'm a huge aliens fan. watching your videos and giving us information about everything is awesome bro
Alien3 is and will always be my favorite in the franchise. It is so grossly underrated, it's not even funny.
My favorite addition in the Assembly Cut is the Golic storyline, I find it absolutely fascinating, and Paul McGann's performance is bone chilling ("sorry-sorry-sorry!!" after he cuts his fellow inmate's throat).
Recently I listened to the audio book version of the official novelization and it gives even more fascinating insights into all the characters, I highly recommend checking it out.
I enjoyed the film upon it's release in 1992, when I was 7. The environment of the prison / factory was so real and the characters full of emotion. And with Ripley and the alien being the answer to their judgement days, seeing their attempts at redemption was an amazing cinematic experience for me. Seeing Dillon's death scene stands out as one of the most emotionally compelling in the entire Alien series.
Been watching ya for a while mate, Bloody GOOD work!...props.
Great video. Alien 3 is definitely my second-favourite film in the franchise (after Alien). I think it's hugely underrated, and doesn't deserve the hate it gets. Okay, it's not perfect, but that was mostly due to Fox's constant interference with the project. In reality, it's still a bleak, gritty and very 'final' chapter of Ripley's story. Glad to see that it's becoming more appreciated in recent years...
Most definitely and I think The Assembly Cut has a lot to do with it. They did a great job putting it together for the 2003 DVD then the 2012 Blu-ray and I think it has given fans a better idea of Fincher's vision, and is a whole lot closer to it than the theatrical. Though I like both versions tbh! A lot!
Great video once again AT! Found it rather amusing that Pete Postlethwaite characters name is David Postlethwaite and realised that the actor Holt McCallany who played Junior, also played Sam Whitemoon in another of my childhood favourite films - Creepshow 2 (Old Chief Wood’nhead). I always thought the cast for Alien 3 were highly underrated as well as the movie itself!
I thought I was a nut about these movies, but sir, you take the cake. Brilliant!
Subbed homie....love the videos and intricate detail of each one....have become quite the fan
I absolutely love you videos - I was and I am still big fan of Alien 3. Atmosphere, religious aspects, characters make this movie great. I have spoken with people having bad reviews about it but personally I loved it from the very beging. Extended version is definitely much better and I completely don't understand why it wasn't released in this shape at the very begging.
Gonna binge watch every video on here 2mor great fucking channel Alien Theory this one the few things i can geek out about
love your videos. It great to learn all these little extra bits
thanks for the great video
i have the assembly cut
i loved the added scenes of the alien enprisonment and release
hope to see more detailed videos like this one
Great video as allways, I would like to know more about the process of cocooning and hive making, what is that flesh-like stuff in the walls of a xenomorph hive ?? Maybe you could elaborate on this topic.
love alien 3 especially the 2003 version. it's an ACTOR'S film!
Could we see a version of this on the crew that brought the people in stasis to the company in Alien: Resurrection?
Yes. The assembly cut helped tremendously.
They really named a prisoner after each of the writers of previous drafts of the script. William, Eric, David, Vincent. Every little detail I learn about this movie and it's crazy production makes me love it even more.
I like the extended edition much better. Mainly because it sheds more light on the characters in the film and the dialogue. Thats the most underrated part of Alien 3 imo, its dialogue.
5:01 "Rains was routinely taking part in surveying duties in dark, unoccupied areas of the facility..."
Oh, he's f***ed.
Just watched the Assembly cut the other day on Amazon and it's a vast improvement. It makes it easier to distinguish the prisoners and made Fury 161 feel more like a real and interesting place. I think the Golic sub plot was probably the best addition. The only problem is that I wish the scene of Ripley clutching the queen chestburster as she falls into incinerator should have been left in.
+Alien Theory. Just wanted to let you know, I hit that "thumbs up" button PRIOR to watching your videos! Why? Simply put: I know what to EXPECT in quality from you brother! I can honestly say that I have NOT seen one video of yours where I went "Meh. It was 'OK', I guess...". Keep it up brother! Because you have something special going here, and I sincerely mean that! Thanks for all the killer videos my friend! 👍
I really do appreciate that. Though of course if I'm ever putting up something sub-par, I can always use constructive criticism, too. Thank you for kind words.
Alien 3 was actually the first alien film i watched. My dad didn't want me watching these films, but i managed to get a copy anyway and this was my introduction to the alien universe. Soon after i was introduced to the aliens colonial marines comics before i then went on to watch the first 2 films. I was hooked. However I saw the original version first and there were a lot of oversights that screwed up the original. What the hell happened to golic? The last you saw and heard of him was when he was tied to a bed in the infirmary. The dogburster scene always broke my heart because I am a dog lover and the dog in the original did an amazing performance during his painful death. Now, nearly 30 years on I only accept the new assembly version, the dog was removed completely, and golic's demise was finally explained and as a whole the film made more sense. However I hated the fact that they killed newt and hicks after everything they went through to survive in the previous film, I felt their unfair death was a betrayal to everything the fought for. But due to the circumstances it was probably better that they had died. Having newt a child survive on a planet with over 20 rapists and child molesters would have turned the story very dark as they would have had to act on that to keep the realism. Secondly hicks being alive still would have caused a problem for the prisoners, being a soldier and potential guardian of Ripley, it would have caused more unnecessary story pacing with him standing off with the prisoners, not to mention he would also be able to back up ripleys claim about the alien. It works better when she is seen as the crazy lady spouting insane accounts of an alien creature without anyone else to back up her story. That said I was really excited to hear that Neil Bloomkamp was going to make an alien 3 reboot where hicks and newt survived and none of the events on fury 161 ever took place. He had Sigourney Weaver and Michael Biehn both invested in his story and were happy to reprise their role. But then Ridley Scott got involved and told him to stand down because he was creating Prometheus at the time and didn't want Bloomkamps reboot to overshadow his prequel.
I always felt that Alien 3 was actually the darkest, most-disturbing and bad dream-like of them all. The fact that the most-loved characters were killed off (early on) set the stage for its shock/horror and sense of dread value. It was probably the goriest (whether visually graphic or implied) of the first three, too. I remember leaving the theater feeling depressed and beat up, which means A horror movie did its job and was certainly a 180 of Cameron’s “Aliens.”
My only critique was the inferior special effects which of course, were as a result of the movie’s many production issues.
You did an excellent job in this and I’m always blown away at the detail of work and narrative dialogue you come up with for these shorts. They‘re like well made mini-documentaries especially for us Alien franchise aficionados who can never get enough.
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I think the assembly cut is the better version of the film, especially in the 2009 Alien Anthology box set, where they were able to repair the damaged audio. In particular, the expansion of the story of Golic and his tie-in to the plan to flush the alien into the toxic waste bunker. That thread of the story really expands beautifully and you get that dreaded "oh no" reaction when you see him cut the guys throat and open the door. It's really beautiful. The expanded dialog with Dillon and Ripley is also good. You find out about their religion and outlook on being the despised and forgotten on a frozen dump of a planet where everything sucks.
Personally, this was the end of the Alien saga to me.
Same here. The extension into comic books and the rancid turds that are the prequels could have been well done without.
I thought the part in the fourth, when the aliens got out, was pretty cool. Outside of that, the movie was total shit. 💩
fantastic video sir very indepth three thumbs up.
can you do a video talking about all of the info about each marine that was on board the Suloco? it'd be a good resource to use for info on Crowe or Weirzbowski
I accidentally saw the extended cut with all the additional footage and it feels like almost an entirely different movie, obviously except for the parts that are infamous, the beach for instance and then finding Ripley covered in fleas and then the walk back to the facility gives the movie so much more depth.
11:03 instantly? I saw him he was suffering!
In the assembly cut, Morse's idea to to use the furnace as a weapon at the sight of a lit match is my favorite addition. Those sad saps took so long to realize they had a real weapon they could use against the alien. It's less convincing that Dillon just thought of it in an instant. Who would after seeing so much death and destruction from their first (and failed) attempt to neutralize the alien?
At 2:06 it says "22 prisoners". But I recall in the film it says there are 25 prisoners. I've tried to track the total prisoners killed, but between getting sucked into the fan, dying in the fiery explosion, or killed by the alien, I can only tally 23 prisoners. Anyone care to help me out with this? Thanks.
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Clemens say that the facility had been reduced in population to 25 (plus two minders) after W-Y wanted to close Fury 161? You said 22.
Clemens included himself, Andrews and Aaron in his count. Later, when Andrews said that there were '25 prisoners in this facility', it's possible he was including himself, Aaron and Clemens as metaphorical prisoners, as they were just as isolated as the others.
1:35 What is a Double-Y ?
Excellent video! There were a handful more convicts as well? A friend of my uncle played one of the extras that died in the explotion. Their characters where not given any names.
My only complaint with three was the death of Newt. Hicks surviving is really optional, if he lived than he should become Ripley's love interest but still die in the same scene the doctor does in the canon version. It would make Ripley's death sting even more if she had to say goodbye to Newt first.
I like the deaths the way they are, especially since we take over 40 minutes of screen time to mourn them. The xenomorph continually robs Ripley in this installment. "No, you can't have a surrogate family. No, you can't retreat to your base desires and have a casual lover. No, you can't even have a quick, easy death delivered by a friend."
3:16 stopped "SWISS MADE"? Is that an Easter Egg?
The most important change to the assembly cut was the reinsertion of Golic's attempt to free the alien, which was rendered a plot hole in the original cut.
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Pretty interesting! Have you thought about doing something similar with the Colonial Marines of ALIENS? I'd love to learn more about their service records. I already know about Drake and Vasquez serving in the USCMC to work off their prison sentences but what about Apone? Ferro? Dietrich? Frost? Weirzbaski? Spunkmeyer?
I saw it in the theater and loved it then. I still love it. I love all the deleted scenes and the director's cut too. I'm a huge fan of the franchise though.
For me there are numerous scenes that made the Assembly Cut better than the theatrical release. First of all, I loved the greater focus on the inmates, how they interacted and associated with one another... And the way it led to a more detailed portrayal of Gollic was great. Especially with his growing obsession with the xenomorph. I also liked how their plan to trap the alien in the toxic waste storage room actually WORKED. It made it that much better when Gollic let the beast out.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... While I'd be content if Ripley's story had ended with "ALIENS", I found "ALIEN 3" to be an enjoyable movie. Sure it's flawed, but what movie isn't? In my opinion, it fit the narrative of Ripley's story well. Time and time again she has lost those who were close to her, who she cared about... And each encounter with the xenomorphs carried the risk of her death. The way I saw it, her story could just as well end poorly as it could end with her living happily ever after. Well... Relatively speaking. No doubt she'd be plagued by the trauma of facing the xenomorphs for the rest of her life had she survived. But her making one last sacrifice to hinder WY and take a queen chestburster with her? I could think of worse ways for her to be killed off.
I love Alien 3. It is just about equal to the first one. The acting is incredible and Fincher is a genius. For me Clemens is the second or third best character in the whole series. Dillon is great too. The Alien itself is the best design as well (at least in the close ups anyway).
I dig Aliens 1-4. I love Ripley and the whole alien universe. Not so crazy about the last two movies but I still watched just to see the story unfold.
I didn't even know that the 'assembly cut' existed. Thanks for the information.
I think it would be good to know the story of items surrounding the franchise in depth just as you extend within the films with your videos.
A good start would be with the original toys like the 18 inch xenomorph action figure from kenner, I was born in 86 so I know almost nothing abut them (I was well acquainted with the 90s variants though)and that would help to connect the films with our world and what it meant to fans beyond the screen....
@0:15 "A less than than noble group of murderers and rapists." You mean to tell me that there's a noble group of murderers and rapists?! Wonder how that works...
+BadBoyBeta "a less than noble group, which contained murderers and rapists" if you'd like to get into a whole semantics thing.
Oh, must have heard it wrong. I didn't mean anything negative by the comment, I just thought it was funny at the time. I really enjoy your videos.
BadBoyBeta Samurai were generally pretty noble murderers and rapists.
great video man keep up 5he good work just one thing what if they never made contact with the xemorphs in the movies Manley the 3 and revelation also what if the clonioel marines were never made?