I used both types of Zoroark in a battle against a friend of mine who likes fighting types. It was quite amusing when he finally figured out that my Hisuian was in the front and Unova was at the back. By the way, he never played Legends, so he had no idea Hisuian Zoroark existed.
Oh, that's so clever! Making the Zoroarks look like each other! What a nasty surprise to learn of a new Pokemon that way, that's like a full anime moment...
It really is amazing that Poison/Flying has been unique to only the Zubat line after all these years, and is the last unique typing from gen 1 (if you don't count Electric/Psychic from Alolan Raichu, Ice/Steel from Alolan Sandshrew and Sandslash, and Ice/Fairy from Alolan Ninetales).
Ice/Fighting just needs a better mon to represent itself. Like T-Tar makes its admittedly rough type combo work through stats and ability. Something speedy with the ice/fighting type could be scary to face, or at least fun to use. It feels like Crabominable was just set up for failure with its stats
i REALLY love crabrawler (i live in maryland for context) and i really think that crabominable had potential, but wasn’t designed properly. it’s based on the yeti/gorilla crab (idk which) which is why it’s hairy and a little ugly, but they made it TOO ugly, which tanked its popularity design-wise. i do really want to see another ice/fighting type, but hopefully it’s a regional variant or a cool new pokemon.
Sneasler and Slush Rush Beartic would have been monsters with Ice/Fighting Is definitely a Crabominable issue. Poor crab, can't even use such powerful typing properly
Both amazing type pairings for sure! I'd give the edge to Poison and Dark just because it's so much easier to access, but Archaludon is still giving its best!
"Hey, you know what'd be really funny? Let's take this slow, not particularly strong Mon with a bad typing and give it a worse typing, and an offensive ability with no good moves to use it"
Ribombee was actually good for a small time, as it could be a quick webs setter, and could set up with quiver dance. And while it has dropped in usage, it is still good for hyper offense teams. Plus Abomasnow is a good snow setter, just bad at being defensive with out the mega.
It does also pop up on fairy monotype teams here and there for important speed control (since fairy types tend to be on the slower side) and general utility
10:48 When I first saw Empoleon over 15 years ago, I initially thought it'd be a water/ice type, I'm so thankful it isn't. Water and steel have such great synergy with one another it's insane!
I get y ice type exist. It a terrain type but if most water type can do icemove, what the point. Idf anything, ice should be super offensive to more type, like normal- not prepare for winter Rock- ice crystal can break rock Bug- insect don't survive winter Water- aquatic animal are sensitive to temperature change.
I actually think a Ice fighting type could be really good, the problem is Crabominable’s stat spread is god awful, Ice is just a terrible type to have if you are slow and fighting type isn’t the best defensively either. If you wanted an ice fighting type to be good it has to be some like Weavile Sneasler hybrid type thing. Ice and fighting are actually a pretty good duo stab combo, because combined they hit half the typings in the game for super effective and the other half for neutral. Which is actually quite impressive if you compare it to the famous boltbeam combo which is known for hitting every type in the game for at least neutral, in comparison ice fighting dual stab is better than bolt beam as electric ice only hits about a third of all types for super effective due to sharing being super effective against water and flying, while ice and fighting share no types that they hit for super effective.
It's funny that some infamous/iconic horrible dual typings actually are quite rare, or quite a few iconic type combos became non-existent after gen 4-5. Grass/Bug with 2x quad to fire and flying? Only Parasect, Leavanny's line and Wormadam. Bug/Flying? A *lot* in the first 4 gens, but then completely vanished from the series aside from Vivillon Rock/Steel? Actually only Probopass, Aggron and Bastiodon, so 3 evo families aside from Stakataka. Was a disastrous gen 3/4 experiment they immediately stopped (and even rectified with the filter mega-aggron) Rock/Ground? Only a thing in gens 1 and 2 aside from obviously Rhyperior, with only 4 families in total. There are actually as many ghost/fire, steel/psychic and psychic flying pokémon as rock/ground, and actually more grass/ghost pokémon. Not "bad" type combos, but combos you think of when you think of pokémon - grass/poison and bug/poison actually have been absent since gen 5, which has been over a decade. But I'll guess that if you paired grass or bug with a type, aside from maybe flying for bug, poison would be the type. Bug/Poison especially is funny because aside from gen 1, only one family max per gen was even introduced, and often just one or two pokémon. It's crazy how early gen abundance really shapes your understanding of "common" type combos.
yes fire and water are a great combination Genshin Impact's Vaporize reaction is proof of that Pyro and Hydro aren't just weak to one another they complete each other
I still remember my first playthrough of X version; I transferred up a Tyranitar to use because I like it, and I got my butt handed to me by Korrina. Good times.
10:17 Fun Fact-- Snom and Frosmoth are the only two Pokemon outside of Shedninja to be OHKO'd from Full Health via entry hazards as this feat was only possible in Sword and Shield where you needed rocks (50%), three layers of Spikes(25%), and G-Max Copperajah's Max Steelsurge for Steelspikes that targeted the opponent's weakness to Steel (and another 25%). Which was feasible in battle, which would force Frosmoth to run the boots or die trying to exist in battle.
I forgot all about Hisuan Avalugg, and was going to suggest Rock/Ice for Aurorus. A whole host if weaknesses and not one but two quads. Freeze Dry at least gives you something.
When you look at Crabominable as the only ice/fighting type it deserves to be on the list, but if they actually give the typing to a fast mon like Sneasler then it would honestly be at the top 6 best list cause ice and fighting are absolutely insane offensively together
Indeed, that's the point of the list; Fire/Rock used to be pure awful on Magcargo, yet somehow Coalossal and Hisuian Arcanine make it work much better, so being unique vs. not can make all the difference!
Surprised there's no mention for Dragon/Fairy, which is still limited to Mega Altaria. Four weaknesses sure, but resists fire, grass, water, electric, fighting and dark, and is immune to dragon. It also boasts two great attacking elements, which only steel resists both.
You just have me an idea with the water steel talk. If they ever make another legends game, make a paradox firm for anorith and/or kabutops that's a steel type. The secondary type doesn't matter if it's water or bug but the fact the water steel type could fit would make it fun
I love Hisuian Zoroark I use one every time I battle the fighting team Star Boss. They can literally never hit me because of the illusion ability & having a pokémon a week to fighting type in the last spot on my party
Pseudo legendary pokemon are rarely good for their type. In gen 1 dragon was actually a detriment to dragonite. It would've preferred to be a normal type. Tyranitars type wasn't helpful until they added weather. Dragonite, salamence, and garchomp are all 4x weak to ice. Hydriegon is 4x weak to fairy. Goodra doesn't get stab coverage against anything. Kommo-o is 4x weak to fairy. For all these guys it's absolutely their stats and abilities that make them as good as they are.
The biggest takeaway from this video is that mamoswine is the only ground/ice and heatran is the only fire/steel Maybe I just thought there were more with those typings because they’re gen 4 Pokémon or maybe some other reason, but man that’s weird we don’t have any other mons with those typings
Revavroom, Volcanion, Kingambit, Empoleon, Crobat, and Hisuian Zoroark together in a team is going to be tough to beat…unless the opponent has a Rhyperior and Absol together.
Empoleon learns Brick Break and would benefit from trick room which Rhyperior is Quad weak and Absol is double weak also most of them can learn a few bug and fighting moves for coverage
Gen 5 was the first Pokemon games I played. and Zoroark was my favorite gen 5 pokemon. So the fact that Zoroark got a Hisuian form and let alone a Ghost and normal type is amazing. Gen 5 pokemon are Cotroversial so that there are a lot of regional forms of gen 5 is a good thing
I love Abomasnow, but the second I saw the title I knew it was going to be in the worst list lol. I feel like Rock/Grass deserves an honorable mention at least for taking two types that are often awful defensively and actually cancelling out a lot of those weaknesses. I didn't realize how good of a combination it was until I started using Cornerstone Ogerpon in my mono grass Violet team.
I'm not even kidding. Two FIVE weakness types, put together... make a FOUR weakness type. 6 weaknesses have been cancelled out! Yes, you still get left with a typing that is lacking defensively (has only 1 more resistance than pure ice) but the types that make that dual typing were both WORSE defensively. Rock-Grass as a dual is defensively better than EITHER Rock or Grass.
I swear, I honestly was expecting Galarian Obstagoon's line (Dark/Normal) to make it, then I remembered alolan raticate exists. I keep forgetting the rat is Dark/Normal, I always think it's pure Dark Obstagoon casually having 2 immunities and being strong against both is fun
One aspect I am missing is that it seems like you have consider the type combinations only defensively. I mean sure ice/ fighting defensively is bad, but offensively it's great, since they complement each other really well. ice is great offensively in general and fighting deals with other ice types and steel types in most cases.
Yes please! I feel this way 100%, to me there was never a real Grass/Electric type until the Hisuian Voltorb line, Rotom doesn't count when it can switch at any moment...
@@Iris_VGC Water is better at redirection and was used more to pull Water moves away for free. But Fire/Grass with Mold Breaker hits really hard and stops a lot of things. Water was used more because people wanted to Follow Me away common Water moves and that became a go to stop gap for Surging Strikes. And in a role of redirection Thunderclap and Sucker Punch fail if redirection is used. Water also hits a lot for basic damage. But Mold Breaker bypasses Abilities and clocks common Bug and Grass Tera Pokemon running Flash Fire. If you run a team with Sun then Fire becomes a monster and Sun was also used a bit as a kind of off meta weather to stop Rain and water.
@@cartergamegeek I’m aware of all of this, the only point I wanted to make is by sheer numbers wellspring dominates the usage stats, even becoming number 1 in 2 or 3 day 2s now while ogerpon heartflame has had a lot of ups and downs sinds release, obviously ogerpon heartflame is still a good Pokémon, just because incineror is good doesn’t mean Rillaboom is bad (yes I’m aware that isn’t the perfect analogy but it works well enough for the point I’m trying to make) you do raise a valid point however, I should’ve made it clearer in my comment that heartflame is still good, I apologise for the confusion and I’ll make sure to be more clear in the future :)
I love that, before Hisuian Zoroark was a thing, people would constantly say how amazing a normal ghost type would be, and some even saying it'd be borderline broken. And yet, here we are.
@@emperorcubone oh I forgot about Celebi! Calyrex is one of those that I have to research its type every time haha. But yeah it's an awful, awful combo
Ice fighting still has potential, just has to be on a pokemon with the right stats to make good use of it. Specifically fast and( 110+) hard hitting Fire rock comparison isn’t really accurate because bug fairy doesn’t have any 4x weakness. bug fairy is just mid. Not horrible, just mid. Honestly better than rock dark. Actually yeah rock dark should be lower like 3rd worst
This a great idea for this list, but I am also curious about some of the most common type combinations, such as bug/flying etc. what are some of the most common that are great or terrible?
Tyranitar has been king of OU for many of the earlier generations all the way up to just recently where it finally fell off. Its typing is bad but Tyranitar is built in a way to specifically take every advantage of it. It sets of sand with its ability, and its rock typing gives it a 50% spdef boost in sand allowing it to be extraordinarily tanky on both the physical and special sides even with super effective hits. You just have to dance around the quad fighting weakness and know when you can bring ttar in, which frankly is quite often. Rock and dark are fantastic stab too, stab pursuit trapping was one of the things ttar was best known for and stone edge hits so many common meta threats super hard
Yes, and that's why it made the *worst* section of the list. The rep being Tyranitar is why it's only the 6th worse instead of being further up the list.
I also would like to defend the bug type as being a great defensive typing. They can both resist the two best common offensive typing in fighting and earthquake
15:20 Eeeeey a type effectiveness circle! I wasted so much time at school trying to work out all the possible ways to order all 16 types in such a way... and I still don't know the full answer X)
I think the reason Tyranitar is the only Rock/Dark is because it’s such a bad type Tyranitar is the only one who can succeed with it because of its Pseduo stats
Shocked to see Fairy/Dragon omitted from the best type pairing side. This combo was sick, and it was the sole reason I shiny hunted Altaria in Ultra Sun. Four weaknesses (none of them x4), 7 resistances, and access to uber powerful moves such as Moonblast and Draco Meteor, it was an offensive monstrosity with the Fairy type's utility. I wish it wasn't locked behind Mega Altaria, there's tons of inspiration from Celtic lore, English fairy tales, Norse mythology, and so forth that could resurrect this force of nature with gusto.
Seeing as how it doesn't exist anymore with Megas being gone, it's almost TOO unique, so I'd like to wait for a more permanent fixture before considering it...
Ice/fighting would be great if it was on a fast pokemon. Since it's amazing offensively. Hitting 9 types super effectively tying with ice/ground for the dual type that hits the most types super effectively.
Surprised you left out Electric/Poison, unique to the Toxtricity line. Despite the psychic weakness and quad weakness to ground, it has a whopping 8 resistances.
You're wording this as though Game Freak looks at the competitive scene when determining whether to add certain types to Pokémon, rather than them having a design concept and then picking a type that fits it. Still, though, it is interesting to see what combinations have and haven't worked for the more serious-minded players.
It means you're far more likely to face Ground or Fighting attacks (which are both Super Effective against 5 types) than you will see Poison that really only beats Fairy.
With infinite fusion i combined Darkrai & Shedinja with Shedinja body & Darkrai head and it results in a pokemon that either resists or quad resists everything but fairy (dont remember the type combo)
About Tyranitar, while Bug is one of the most resisted types in the game, taking super-effective damage from U-turn is a glaring weakness. That said, Rock is a really strong offensive type, it's just balanced out by below-average accuracy... This has to be intentional. About Grass/Ice, I remember Abomasnow being okay against several Water-type Pokémon, as Grass/Ice is neutral against Ice, making it one of the only times Ice is useful defensively. I also expected Fire/Rock to be mentioned (because of Magcargo), only to remember Rolycoly's evolutions. Fire/Rock is quite strong offensively, but the fire slug can't pull it off at all.
Unless it's coming from something like Iron Valiant or Lucario, I doubt that Vacuum Wave is enough to KO a Tyranitar from full HP because of Sand Stream and the 50% boost it provides to Special Defense. Tyranitar fears Mach Punch way more, I think. Hisuian Zoroark is also immune to the Ghost/Fighting combo, which is huge because before H-Zoroark was released, this combo was famous for hitting the entire game at least neutrally.
Honestly, I'd add resistances to Dragon, Water, and Ghost onto the Ice-type to make it able to stand up to some of the nastiest attacking types in the game, turning it into an asset rather than a liability.
Gen 4 music just make me happy brighting up my day even doe Iam supposed to be getting five years for this gun charge or maybe cause gen 4 was my first Pokémon game I brought with drug money btw but also it bring bad memories cause I caught a drug charge while I was playing this on my white ds lite urban nerds ig
As bad as bug/ice is, Im really glad SV gives the chance to get snom as early as it does. (Cortondo doesn’t have to be the first town you visit once the world opens up, of course, but it's obviously where the game wants you headed.) Ice might not be a good type, but it's great offensively, and actually being able to get an ice type in the early game is nice.
I found it odd that they seemed to purposefully copy the Pokemon type names; I would think they'd want to make themselves Legally distinct by using "Lightning" or "Flame" or maybe "Plant" or even "Shadow."
I love Tyrantrum and Tyranitar a lot. I want to see a another Water/Dragon type pokemon. (Sure we have Kingdra and Palkia). But they are the only ones with that type combination. I hope we see another pokemon with that type for example a spinosaurus pokemon maybe.
the problem with judging type combos is that they are nothing when removed from stats. For example, normal/ghost is one of the best defensive typings, it has three immunities (including one of the best offensive types) and only one weakness, but put it on a glass cannon like zoroark and the only saving grace is his ability. Or, take ground/fighting, probably the single best offensive type combination (there is an argument for rock/ground considering it can hit every type with normally effective STAB), but if you waste either on anything but a sweeper, high defenses aren't going to be enough for a super effective hit (rock/ground especially), and you aren't making good use of the offensive typing. Even typically bad typings can be good if given the right stats; grass/poison might not be the worst typing but it sure isn't the best by a long shot considering how many weaknesses it has and considering how both grass and poison are not particularly good offensive types (and this is coming from someone who's second favorite type after dark is poison), but it might be one of the best support type combos with easy access to almost every status affliction (there's a reason amoongus was OU in XY and has basically stayed in UU with decently wide usage in OU since).
I really want more water fire type pokemon. you'd think steam using pokemon would be more common especially with places like lavaridge town, plus I actually just don't like Volcanion design wise, it just looks silly and i can't even tell what it is
Being weak to Bug isn't a particularly meaningless thing...Being weak to U-Turn is not great...It's manageable of course, but I don't get the attitude that it's meaningless...
8:24: "...with a nice signature move..." Can't be that signature if Nikos, my Arboliva in Violet, has it. xD (Also, "Imagine if this resisted Ghost!?!" ...Aegislash would be NEUTRAL to Ghost in Generation 5 and before.)
Here is some of my ideas for unused type combos for gen 10 1. fire/fairy a smore pokemon 2. rock/ghost a tombstone or possessed fossil pokemon 3. Ground/fairy a pink armadillo pokemon 4. Normal/bug a regonial form for aipom and new regonial evolution 5. Normal/steel regonial forms for wooloo and dubwool plus new evolution 6.bug/dragon new evolution for yanmega 7. Ice/poison a frozen virus pokemon 8. Normal/ice a ice rabbit 9. Normal/rock a rock rodent
Ice is my favorite type hahaha i wish it could get Electric and Dragon resistence (and i think Fire should’nt resist it, like in gen1, but its already too powefull in the offense side) Also, to not make electric nerfed in this situation, it should attack 2x steel type! Rock deserves a buff as well, its totally overshadowed by Steel… maybe taking off its Water weakness would be great, since it needs a TONS of water to actually crack it…
I love frostmoth but uf it had like 110 speed i believe it would have been much better. I wish it get an extra evolution like dipplin to hydrapple where it faster have some more buff and a lil more special attack. Infact just like duralodon getting an evolution and basically becoming 600 bst like a psuedo i find gamefreak could continue this and give it to frostmoth
Hum. Actually, the first chart of the type combos isnt UP to date, missing thé Gen 8 'mons and onward 😇. Ice/Fire . Ice/Bug . Elec/Dark . Elec/Fight. Fire/Grass. Etc .
"Two types together can be bad even if they are rare"
I swear I can hear Parasect and Leavanny scream in pain somewhere...
I love parasect but I always imagined it’s typing + dry skin making it a vampire, it so much as walks into the sunlight and it spontaneously combusts
Ah! Kill it with fire! Wait…
AH! Kill it with fire! Wait….
Leavany is at least fast.
I’m still waiting for rock/ghost so I can have immunity to fighting
With levitate for immunity to ground types too.
Cubone parents
Wait a minute, L is essentially asking for a gravestone Pkmn
Oh..rip 😭
That’d be ground/ghost
@@shadowdragonlord2295🎉😂😂😂❤ 5:12 😂😂❤😂❤❤😂❤😂
I love your original unique typings video, so it was really nice that you decided to revisit that topic.
Thank you! I just thought to myself, "I wonder how it's changed with so many other types being shared now...?"
ghost normal is such a cool combo. I was hoping to see that for years.
hopefully they will make more pkmn with that type combination in the future
How about a ghost cat or a haunted teddy bear?
I was thinking a caricature of Joe Biden as a zombie.
I always thought Girafarig should have been normal-ghost rather than psychic-normal just based on its design 🤷🏽♂️
I used both types of Zoroark in a battle against a friend of mine who likes fighting types. It was quite amusing when he finally figured out that my Hisuian was in the front and Unova was at the back.
By the way, he never played Legends, so he had no idea Hisuian Zoroark existed.
Oh, that's so clever! Making the Zoroarks look like each other! What a nasty surprise to learn of a new Pokemon that way, that's like a full anime moment...
Oh man that's a genius strategy
Talking as if team preview didn’t exist lmao
@@mettorYou can't see typing from a team playthrough, and they mjght have mistook it for a new pokemon or smth
It really is amazing that Poison/Flying has been unique to only the Zubat line after all these years, and is the last unique typing from gen 1 (if you don't count Electric/Psychic from Alolan Raichu, Ice/Steel from Alolan Sandshrew and Sandslash, and Ice/Fairy from Alolan Ninetales).
Gengar just recently lost its unique typing because of Pecharunt existing, and its the newest Pokemon to be released.
> "unique typing from Kanto"
> [names Alolan Pokémon to exclude]
Bro, they're already excluded when you said "from Kanto"
@@andreivaldez2929Probably worth changing the wording to “from Gen 1”
Ice/Fighting just needs a better mon to represent itself. Like T-Tar makes its admittedly rough type combo work through stats and ability. Something speedy with the ice/fighting type could be scary to face, or at least fun to use. It feels like Crabominable was just set up for failure with its stats
Sneasler was a gr8 candidate for what you're describing. A speedy glass cannon.
i REALLY love crabrawler (i live in maryland for context) and i really think that crabominable had potential, but wasn’t designed properly. it’s based on the yeti/gorilla crab (idk which) which is why it’s hairy and a little ugly, but they made it TOO ugly, which tanked its popularity design-wise. i do really want to see another ice/fighting type, but hopefully it’s a regional variant or a cool new pokemon.
Ice/fighting is an incredible offensive combo.
Sneasler and Slush Rush Beartic would have been monsters with Ice/Fighting
Is definitely a Crabominable issue. Poor crab, can't even use such powerful typing properly
You can't be slow and have a poor defensive typing. That's just asking to get put to the back of the line in usage.
The fact that poison/flying is still unique to the zubat line blew my mind.
My absolute favorite Pokemon type combinations are Steel/Dragon and Dark/Poison.
Both amazing type pairings for sure! I'd give the edge to Poison and Dark just because it's so much easier to access, but Archaludon is still giving its best!
Dark poison and fire poison are my favorites
ghost/psychic and fairy/ground for me
I was surprised ice and rock wasn’t number one but then I remembered Hisuian Avalugg
Poor guy; they took an already forgotten/looked down on Pokemon and made it worse!
"Hey, you know what'd be really funny? Let's take this slow, not particularly strong Mon with a bad typing and give it a worse typing, and an offensive ability with no good moves to use it"
A super fast polar bear dog does the Ice/Rock combo more justice.
@@emperorcubone At least it kept Aurorus off this list
Something that I think makes Farigiraf quite good despite not having a unique type combo is that it can kick a Gengar’s butt.
Ribombee was actually good for a small time, as it could be a quick webs setter, and could set up with quiver dance. And while it has dropped in usage, it is still good for hyper offense teams. Plus Abomasnow is a good snow setter, just bad at being defensive with out the mega.
It does also pop up on fairy monotype teams here and there for important speed control (since fairy types tend to be on the slower side) and general utility
Also, because of its speed, Sticky Webs, and Quiver Dance, Cutiefly has pretty much always been banned in Little Cup.
10:48 When I first saw Empoleon over 15 years ago, I initially thought it'd be a water/ice type, I'm so thankful it isn't. Water and steel have such great synergy with one another it's insane!
I get y ice type exist. It a terrain type but if most water type can do icemove, what the point. Idf anything, ice should be super offensive to more type, like
normal- not prepare for winter
Rock- ice crystal can break rock
Bug- insect don't survive winter
Water- aquatic animal are sensitive to temperature change.
Bottom line , ice should be the opposite of steel
I may be dumb af, but I just noticed Emperor Cubone probably does all of his videos in PowerPoint, Jesus
I just noticed that lol
I actually think a Ice fighting type could be really good, the problem is Crabominable’s stat spread is god awful, Ice is just a terrible type to have if you are slow and fighting type isn’t the best defensively either.
If you wanted an ice fighting type to be good it has to be some like Weavile Sneasler hybrid type thing.
Ice and fighting are actually a pretty good duo stab combo, because combined they hit half the typings in the game for super effective and the other half for neutral.
Which is actually quite impressive if you compare it to the famous boltbeam combo which is known for hitting every type in the game for at least neutral, in comparison ice fighting dual stab is better than bolt beam as electric ice only hits about a third of all types for super effective due to sharing being super effective against water and flying, while ice and fighting share no types that they hit for super effective.
It's funny that some infamous/iconic horrible dual typings actually are quite rare, or quite a few iconic type combos became non-existent after gen 4-5.
Grass/Bug with 2x quad to fire and flying? Only Parasect, Leavanny's line and Wormadam.
Bug/Flying? A *lot* in the first 4 gens, but then completely vanished from the series aside from Vivillon
Rock/Steel? Actually only Probopass, Aggron and Bastiodon, so 3 evo families aside from Stakataka. Was a disastrous gen 3/4 experiment they immediately stopped (and even rectified with the filter mega-aggron)
Rock/Ground? Only a thing in gens 1 and 2 aside from obviously Rhyperior, with only 4 families in total.
There are actually as many ghost/fire, steel/psychic and psychic flying pokémon as rock/ground, and actually more grass/ghost pokémon.
Not "bad" type combos, but combos you think of when you think of pokémon - grass/poison and bug/poison actually have been absent since gen 5, which has been over a decade. But I'll guess that if you paired grass or bug with a type, aside from maybe flying for bug, poison would be the type. Bug/Poison especially is funny because aside from gen 1, only one family max per gen was even introduced, and often just one or two pokémon.
It's crazy how early gen abundance really shapes your understanding of "common" type combos.
Grass/Ghost is WAY too common in recent gens; pick something else for once!
I'm loving your channel
yes fire and water are a great combination Genshin Impact's Vaporize reaction is proof of that Pyro and Hydro aren't just weak to one another they complete each other
I still remember my first playthrough of X version; I transferred up a Tyranitar to use because I like it, and I got my butt handed to me by Korrina. Good times.
I'm just impressed you had a Tyranitar by the third gym! Did it even listen to you?
these videos are criminally underrated
10:17 Fun Fact-- Snom and Frosmoth are the only two Pokemon outside of Shedninja to be OHKO'd from Full Health via entry hazards as this feat was only possible in Sword and Shield where you needed rocks (50%), three layers of Spikes(25%), and G-Max Copperajah's Max Steelsurge for Steelspikes that targeted the opponent's weakness to Steel (and another 25%). Which was feasible in battle, which would force Frosmoth to run the boots or die trying to exist in battle.
Ahh, yet another reason I love Copperajah, and DIDN'T switch my Bug to Frosmoth...
An Ice/Fairy type will also go down from hazards.
@@lipika2841 That is also correct.
So this also applies to Alolan Vulpix and Alolan Ninetails
I forgot all about Hisuan Avalugg, and was going to suggest Rock/Ice for Aurorus. A whole host if weaknesses and not one but two quads. Freeze Dry at least gives you something.
When you look at Crabominable as the only ice/fighting type it deserves to be on the list, but if they actually give the typing to a fast mon like Sneasler then it would honestly be at the top 6 best list cause ice and fighting are absolutely insane offensively together
Indeed, that's the point of the list; Fire/Rock used to be pure awful on Magcargo, yet somehow Coalossal and Hisuian Arcanine make it work much better, so being unique vs. not can make all the difference!
A normal Ghost snorlax would be terrifying.
I'd love to see that! He'd be a powerhouse!
Not with the traditional "Curselax" set. They'd have to give it Bulk Up.
Surprised there's no mention for Dragon/Fairy, which is still limited to Mega Altaria. Four weaknesses sure, but resists fire, grass, water, electric, fighting and dark, and is immune to dragon. It also boasts two great attacking elements, which only steel resists both.
0:48 PALWORLD?!
Wow, I did not know that every type name (except for Neutral) is identical to Pokemon's.
Right? It's weird they copied them SO perfectly... Not even an "Earth" type?
Crobat goes hard.
My favorite sweetiest baby, Toxtricity, needs help (Tera flying)
I do love Toxtricity; easily among my favorites in Galar!
Amma defend Ice/Fighting.
It's a brilliant offensive typing, so give it to a pokemon with stats like Weavile, it would be a brilliant combination.
I feel that Electric/Psychic is a pretty decent unique combination.
Pecharunt just ruined Gengar's chances of being in this video by being the first Poison/Ghost pokemon in 25 years
Honestly it probably would have made the cut, since Poison/Ghost is not bad!
Umbreon: The floor tentacles are DROWNING ME!
You just have me an idea with the water steel talk. If they ever make another legends game, make a paradox firm for anorith and/or kabutops that's a steel type. The secondary type doesn't matter if it's water or bug but the fact the water steel type could fit would make it fun
Honestly I thought the Anorith line WAS Steel when I first saw it, so that would work for me!
@@emperorcubone only helps that armaldo's dex entries talk about its durability.
I love Hisuian Zoroark I use one every time I battle the fighting team Star Boss. They can literally never hit me because of the illusion ability & having a pokémon a week to fighting type in the last spot on my party
Pseudo legendary pokemon are rarely good for their type. In gen 1 dragon was actually a detriment to dragonite. It would've preferred to be a normal type. Tyranitars type wasn't helpful until they added weather. Dragonite, salamence, and garchomp are all 4x weak to ice. Hydriegon is 4x weak to fairy. Goodra doesn't get stab coverage against anything. Kommo-o is 4x weak to fairy. For all these guys it's absolutely their stats and abilities that make them as good as they are.
Do you mean hydreigon is 4x weak to fairy
@@andrewgallup6043 oops yeah. Oops.
A Dragon Bug type is long overdue. While I may not want the gen 10 pseudo legendary to be that type, we need a pretty good Pokémon with that typing.
Only the lack of exclusivity kept Rock/Ice out of the top of the worst typing list. RIP Amaura line & Hisuian Avalugg 🫠
You're not wrong! I love both Aurorus and Avalugg, but BOY is that an awful typing!
14:05 What about bug type?
I was gonna say
The biggest takeaway from this video is that mamoswine is the only ground/ice and heatran is the only fire/steel
Maybe I just thought there were more with those typings because they’re gen 4 Pokémon or maybe some other reason, but man that’s weird we don’t have any other mons with those typings
Mamoswine's not so bad because it's relatively easy to pick up, but Fire/Steel really needs to be on more than a Legendary!
I love that scooby doo ghost 😂😂 that made me happy
The most normal ghost I've ever seen!
@@emperorcubone literally textbook ghost 😂😂😂
Revavroom, Volcanion, Kingambit, Empoleon, Crobat, and Hisuian Zoroark together in a team is going to be tough to beat…unless the opponent has a Rhyperior and Absol together.
I suppose so, but Rhyperior would still go down to a lowly Water Pulse, or an Iron Head from the Steel types...
Trick Room!
Empoleon learns Brick Break and would benefit from trick room which Rhyperior is Quad weak and Absol is double weak also most of them can learn a few bug and fighting moves for coverage
I'm betting there's going to be more unique type combinations in Gen 10 and by Gen 15 there won't be a single unused Dual Typing.
Interesting theory! I agree except for Fire and Water, because they seemed determined to never give us a real chance to use one of those!
@@emperorcubone I thought that was already used? I was referring to them dipping into the Unused pairs.
Gen 5 was the first Pokemon games I played. and Zoroark was my favorite gen 5 pokemon. So the fact that Zoroark got a Hisuian form and let alone a Ghost and normal type is amazing. Gen 5 pokemon are Cotroversial so that there are a lot of regional forms of gen 5 is a good thing
Exactly my thoughts. I got nothing to add.
I love Abomasnow, but the second I saw the title I knew it was going to be in the worst list lol.
I feel like Rock/Grass deserves an honorable mention at least for taking two types that are often awful defensively and actually cancelling out a lot of those weaknesses. I didn't realize how good of a combination it was until I started using Cornerstone Ogerpon in my mono grass Violet team.
I'm not even kidding. Two FIVE weakness types, put together... make a FOUR weakness type. 6 weaknesses have been cancelled out!
Yes, you still get left with a typing that is lacking defensively (has only 1 more resistance than pure ice) but the types that make that dual typing were both WORSE defensively.
Rock-Grass as a dual is defensively better than EITHER Rock or Grass.
I swear, I honestly was expecting Galarian Obstagoon's line (Dark/Normal) to make it, then I remembered alolan raticate exists. I keep forgetting the rat is Dark/Normal, I always think it's pure Dark
Obstagoon casually having 2 immunities and being strong against both is fun
One aspect I am missing is that it seems like you have consider the type combinations only defensively. I mean sure ice/ fighting defensively is bad, but offensively it's great, since they complement each other really well. ice is great offensively in general and fighting deals with other ice types and steel types in most cases.
In a vacuum Ice/Fighting is good offensively, but the slow Crabominable doesn't utilize them the best they can be!
Since Electric/Fire, Fairy/Dragon and Fire/Ice are on different forms, I'd say these 3 duel types NEED full lines.
Yes please! I feel this way 100%, to me there was never a real Grass/Electric type until the Hisuian Voltorb line, Rotom doesn't count when it can switch at any moment...
This'll help me in pokedoku! Thanks so much
I suggest ice should resist dragon
Or at Least Flying!
Grass/Fire Ogerpon is clearly the best if we disregard preference, otherwise great video lmao
Water ogerpon is objectively better in vgc
@@Iris_VGC Water is better at redirection and was used more to pull Water moves away for free. But Fire/Grass with Mold Breaker hits really hard and stops a lot of things. Water was used more because people wanted to Follow Me away common Water moves and that became a go to stop gap for Surging Strikes. And in a role of redirection Thunderclap and Sucker Punch fail if redirection is used. Water also hits a lot for basic damage. But Mold Breaker bypasses Abilities and clocks common Bug and Grass Tera Pokemon running Flash Fire. If you run a team with Sun then Fire becomes a monster and Sun was also used a bit as a kind of off meta weather to stop Rain and water.
@@cartergamegeek I’m aware of all of this, the only point I wanted to make is by sheer numbers wellspring dominates the usage stats, even becoming number 1 in 2 or 3 day 2s now while ogerpon heartflame has had a lot of ups and downs sinds release, obviously ogerpon heartflame is still a good Pokémon, just because incineror is good doesn’t mean Rillaboom is bad (yes I’m aware that isn’t the perfect analogy but it works well enough for the point I’m trying to make) you do raise a valid point however, I should’ve made it clearer in my comment that heartflame is still good, I apologise for the confusion and I’ll make sure to be more clear in the future :)
This feels nostalgic 😮
this channel is so nice to watch the editing is straight out of 2015 and it's just simple fun
I've heard 2014 before too, but I'll take it!
I love that, before Hisuian Zoroark was a thing, people would constantly say how amazing a normal ghost type would be, and some even saying it'd be borderline broken.
And yet, here we are.
Meanwhile, a team of Tyranitar, Crabominable, Tyrantrum, Ribombee, Frosmoth, and Abomasnow would all lose to Mega Aggron plus Trick Room.
If Iron Leaves didn't exist, I 100% believe Grass/Psychic would have made the cut
Well even without that there's Exeggcute, Celebi and Calyrex, so it's not been unique for a while but BOY is it a terrible typing!
@@emperorcubone oh I forgot about Celebi! Calyrex is one of those that I have to research its type every time haha. But yeah it's an awful, awful combo
Ice fighting still has potential, just has to be on a pokemon with the right stats to make good use of it. Specifically fast and( 110+) hard hitting
Fire rock comparison isn’t really accurate because bug fairy doesn’t have any 4x weakness. bug fairy is just mid. Not horrible, just mid. Honestly better than rock dark. Actually yeah rock dark should be lower like 3rd worst
One of my favorite type combos is fairy/steel. 2 weaknesses and 2 immunities. I just really like it
This a great idea for this list, but I am also curious about some of the most common type combinations, such as bug/flying etc. what are some of the most common that are great or terrible?
4:01 the Mamoswine line is the ONLY line to have a weakness to ALL 3 STARTER TYPES.
😮
I've seen that Normal/Ghost Aipom somewhere before...what fangame is that because I remember its back sprite just looks at you
It's from Insurgence; they did the "Delta" forms like from the TCG before regional variants were even revealed for Alola.
Tyranitar has been king of OU for many of the earlier generations all the way up to just recently where it finally fell off. Its typing is bad but Tyranitar is built in a way to specifically take every advantage of it. It sets of sand with its ability, and its rock typing gives it a 50% spdef boost in sand allowing it to be extraordinarily tanky on both the physical and special sides even with super effective hits. You just have to dance around the quad fighting weakness and know when you can bring ttar in, which frankly is quite often. Rock and dark are fantastic stab too, stab pursuit trapping was one of the things ttar was best known for and stone edge hits so many common meta threats super hard
Tyranitar is good *despite* it's typing. Give those types to an average-base-stat pokemon, and it's absolutely crippling.
Yes, and that's why it made the *worst* section of the list. The rep being Tyranitar is why it's only the 6th worse instead of being further up the list.
I also would like to defend the bug type as being a great defensive typing. They can both resist the two best common offensive typing in fighting and earthquake
15:20 Eeeeey a type effectiveness circle! I wasted so much time at school trying to work out all the possible ways to order all 16 types in such a way... and I still don't know the full answer X)
I think the reason Tyranitar is the only Rock/Dark is because it’s such a bad type Tyranitar is the only one who can succeed with it because of its Pseduo stats
Shocked to see Fairy/Dragon omitted from the best type pairing side. This combo was sick, and it was the sole reason I shiny hunted Altaria in Ultra Sun. Four weaknesses (none of them x4), 7 resistances, and access to uber powerful moves such as Moonblast and Draco Meteor, it was an offensive monstrosity with the Fairy type's utility. I wish it wasn't locked behind Mega Altaria, there's tons of inspiration from Celtic lore, English fairy tales, Norse mythology, and so forth that could resurrect this force of nature with gusto.
Seeing as how it doesn't exist anymore with Megas being gone, it's almost TOO unique, so I'd like to wait for a more permanent fixture before considering it...
Ice/fighting would be great if it was on a fast pokemon. Since it's amazing offensively. Hitting 9 types super effectively tying with ice/ground for the dual type that hits the most types super effectively.
Doesn't yeti crab have priority's move? He seems similar stat. Fighting is great offensive and he got drain punch to compensate for he slow speed
Hold on. Why do some of these get their coverage moves mentioned and not others?
Sometimes there's just no saving a poor slow Abomasnow.
Surprised you left out Electric/Poison, unique to the Toxtricity line. Despite the psychic weakness and quad weakness to ground, it has a whopping 8 resistances.
Yeah, when I first found one I quickly did the math and realized it's basically a regular Poison type with even more resistances!
We need an Ice/Poison combo
You're wording this as though Game Freak looks at the competitive scene when determining whether to add certain types to Pokémon, rather than them having a design concept and then picking a type that fits it. Still, though, it is interesting to see what combinations have and haven't worked for the more serious-minded players.
I just want a new Electric/Ghost that is competitively viable in some way
It's hard to believe Rotom is the only Electric and Ghost!
@@emperorcubone I know right? 😭
You could use one of the alternate Rotom forms in Diamond/Pearl *before* they gained their current typings in Platinum.
It's no longer unique, but I love grass/ground.
I do love Torterra, and I used Toedscruel a lot in Paldea!
@@emperorcubone the only thing that kept toedscruel off my team was Clodsire.
What does common type attack move mean? Doesn’t every type attack?
It means you're far more likely to face Ground or Fighting attacks (which are both Super Effective against 5 types) than you will see Poison that really only beats Fairy.
@ oh I see never thought about that I hear ppl say that but never got it lol also didn’t realize this vid is 9 months old so thanks for responding
It pains me to see both of the Tyrants on the worst side of the list... But I agree with their placement.
Literally two of my favorite Pokemon ever; despite their shortcomings I've still used them numerous times!
@@emperorcubone Same here. I'm also pissed that Tyrantrum has a lower base stat number than Vanilluxe.
With infinite fusion i combined Darkrai & Shedinja with Shedinja body & Darkrai head and it results in a pokemon that either resists or quad resists everything but fairy
(dont remember the type combo)
I think we will get either a hammerhead shark Pokemon or a swordfish Pokemon and it will have Empoleon's type combinations.
There was that Shark Pokemon from the Beta Gold and Silver that was Steel with an anchor tail! Maybe something like that...?
About Tyranitar, while Bug is one of the most resisted types in the game, taking super-effective damage from U-turn is a glaring weakness.
That said, Rock is a really strong offensive type, it's just balanced out by below-average accuracy... This has to be intentional.
About Grass/Ice, I remember Abomasnow being okay against several Water-type Pokémon, as Grass/Ice is neutral against Ice, making it one of the only times Ice is useful defensively.
I also expected Fire/Rock to be mentioned (because of Magcargo), only to remember Rolycoly's evolutions. Fire/Rock is quite strong offensively, but the fire slug can't pull it off at all.
Agreed; last time Fire/Rock definitely WAS on the list because it's so bad...
Unless it's coming from something like Iron Valiant or Lucario, I doubt that Vacuum Wave is enough to KO a Tyranitar from full HP because of Sand Stream and the 50% boost it provides to Special Defense. Tyranitar fears Mach Punch way more, I think.
Hisuian Zoroark is also immune to the Ghost/Fighting combo, which is huge because before H-Zoroark was released, this combo was famous for hitting the entire game at least neutrally.
Honestly, I'd add resistances to Dragon, Water, and Ghost onto the Ice-type to make it able to stand up to some of the nastiest attacking types in the game, turning it into an asset rather than a liability.
Gen 4 music just make me happy brighting up my day even doe Iam supposed to be getting five years for this gun charge or maybe cause gen 4 was my first Pokémon game I brought with drug money btw but also it bring bad memories cause I caught a drug charge while I was playing this on my white ds lite urban nerds ig
As bad as bug/ice is, Im really glad SV gives the chance to get snom as early as it does. (Cortondo doesn’t have to be the first town you visit once the world opens up, of course, but it's obviously where the game wants you headed.) Ice might not be a good type, but it's great offensively, and actually being able to get an ice type in the early game is nice.
Not the palmon type chart at the start 😂
I found it odd that they seemed to purposefully copy the Pokemon type names; I would think they'd want to make themselves Legally distinct by using "Lightning" or "Flame" or maybe "Plant" or even "Shadow."
@@emperorcubone Or, the most "obvious", Earth.
I love Tyrantrum and Tyranitar a lot. I want to see a another Water/Dragon type pokemon. (Sure we have Kingdra and Palkia). But they are the only ones with that type combination. I hope we see another pokemon with that type for example a spinosaurus pokemon maybe.
Tatsugiri and Dracovish are also water/dragon...
List of water dragon types:
Kingdra
Palkia
Dracovish
Tatsugiri
Walking Wake
We already have enough water dragon types, just use them
the problem with judging type combos is that they are nothing when removed from stats. For example, normal/ghost is one of the best defensive typings, it has three immunities (including one of the best offensive types) and only one weakness, but put it on a glass cannon like zoroark and the only saving grace is his ability. Or, take ground/fighting, probably the single best offensive type combination (there is an argument for rock/ground considering it can hit every type with normally effective STAB), but if you waste either on anything but a sweeper, high defenses aren't going to be enough for a super effective hit (rock/ground especially), and you aren't making good use of the offensive typing. Even typically bad typings can be good if given the right stats; grass/poison might not be the worst typing but it sure isn't the best by a long shot considering how many weaknesses it has and considering how both grass and poison are not particularly good offensive types (and this is coming from someone who's second favorite type after dark is poison), but it might be one of the best support type combos with easy access to almost every status affliction (there's a reason amoongus was OU in XY and has basically stayed in UU with decently wide usage in OU since).
I really want more water fire type pokemon. you'd think steam using pokemon would be more common especially with places like lavaridge town, plus I actually just don't like Volcanion design wise, it just looks silly and i can't even tell what it is
Being weak to Bug isn't a particularly meaningless thing...Being weak to U-Turn is not great...It's manageable of course, but I don't get the attitude that it's meaningless...
8:24: "...with a nice signature move..." Can't be that signature if Nikos, my Arboliva in Violet, has it. xD
(Also, "Imagine if this resisted Ghost!?!" ...Aegislash would be NEUTRAL to Ghost in Generation 5 and before.)
Yesh it was only signature in gen 7.
In gens 8 and 9 its just a tm
Did not see one of the crazy combinations of water/ground ......
It's not unique, but it IS really good, (Quagsire and Swampert both share the typing off the top of my head, may be more)
@@nathanstruble2177Wishcash, Seismitoad and Gastrodon
My main really busted out the dictionary and English text book for this one
I mean that type chart at the start only had up to gen 7 on it so im not sure why you used it.
Cause I couldn't find an updated one. Some of them I've used don't even even have Fairy, but they can still be viewed as a fun time capsule!
Normal and psychic is also weak to bug, not just dark
Crabominable at least can hit 9 unique types stab super effectively without type overlap, but yeah Speed would help it be a bit better
Here is some of my ideas for unused type combos for gen 10
1. fire/fairy a smore pokemon
2. rock/ghost a tombstone or possessed fossil pokemon
3. Ground/fairy a pink armadillo pokemon
4. Normal/bug a regonial form for aipom and new regonial evolution
5. Normal/steel regonial forms for wooloo and dubwool plus new evolution
6.bug/dragon new evolution for yanmega
7. Ice/poison a frozen virus pokemon
8. Normal/ice a ice rabbit
9. Normal/rock a rock rodent
Normally I'm not a fan of food Pokemon, but for some reason a s'more one just sounds so funny!
@@emperorcubone for fire/fairy how about a wil o wisp instead
I am still said we never got the Fire/Water seal Pokémon in Generation II
Ice is my favorite type hahaha i wish it could get Electric and Dragon resistence (and i think Fire should’nt resist it, like in gen1, but its already too powefull in the offense side)
Also, to not make electric nerfed in this situation, it should attack 2x steel type!
Rock deserves a buff as well, its totally overshadowed by Steel… maybe taking off its Water weakness would be great, since it needs a TONS of water to actually crack it…
I love frostmoth but uf it had like 110 speed i believe it would have been much better. I wish it get an extra evolution like dipplin to hydrapple where it faster have some more buff and a lil more special attack. Infact just like duralodon getting an evolution and basically becoming 600 bst like a psuedo i find gamefreak could continue this and give it to frostmoth
2:40 magnet rise has entered the chat
Why doesn’t the literal engine Pokémon have Speed Boost for an ability?
Or even Steam Engine??
9:05 "quad resistance to fighting" shows a TCG card weak to fighting.
Hum. Actually, the first chart of the type combos isnt UP to date, missing thé Gen 8 'mons and onward 😇.
Ice/Fire . Ice/Bug . Elec/Dark . Elec/Fight. Fire/Grass. Etc .
So there's not so much empty slots 😇.
And yeah ofc it's just in order to illustrateur, i Knox.