Objectifying Women
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It also doesnt help that society has normalized porn so much. Its even considered weird if you dont watch it.
Watching porn isn't normal ? We all objectify each other during sex that's how it works. That's the law of nature
Modern women have a part to play as well. They make themselves too sexually appealing by wearing skirts and showing cleavage.
@Firelord Eliteast67 Of course that makes us aroused... that's how nature works, a man or woman should't have to go for a walk because another man or woman wants to wear nearly no clothes.
@@Powerful_7910 you my friend wouldn't understand nature if it hit you in the face with a clothesline
@Namir Deshmukh actually a recent study suggest those who masturbate more ate less likely to develop prostate cancer
Objectification of anyone, regardless of gender, is not cool. But self objectification is the elephant in the room in such an argument and has to be addressed so we can honestly move forwards.
So you can't control your eyes and sexual desires and that's the womans fault? I would love to walk down the street in shorts and a top on a hot summer day without filthy dirty looks on my body!! When I was a teenager I didn't understand this kind of behavior of grown ass men. I felt dirty and ashamed like I did something wrong. Just stop objectifying women - no matter how they dress! The perversion is in your head not in her outfit!
@@timmytee734 The fact you've assumed from what I have said that I can't control myself instead of just dealing with the fact loadsa girls objectify themselves and then act all innocent is idiotic.
@@ryanx3584 A girl should be able to wear anything she wants without being objectified. If she likes makeup and wearing bikini tops and take photos of herself that doesn't mean that she wants to be a piece of meat. A woman should not be ashamed of her body parts, she should be able to be free without molestation and constant harrassment just like in certain cultures where women wear NO tops.
It's all in your pervert mind. This is how you eventually all end up being creepy old farts perving on teenage girls.
I see you are getting triggered. Porn is your master and you're it's dog. You're being lead by your tool, lol.
@@ryanx3584 P.s, when dudes watch female volleyball, they are only interested in the women's body parts, not the game. Are those women objectifying themselves? Should they cover up in long sleeves and long pants so those poor innocent men won't start having dirty thoughts?
Or how about women on the beach, hah?
If it's ok to wear a "bra" and "underwear" on the beach or in sports it's ok to do that online too! Understood Mr pervy?
@@timmytee734 you sound tragic.
"Who is she?" I love it!!
For attraction, there's a very thin line between appreciation for someone beauty versus objectifying them. Very easy to cross the line from appreciate someone's beauty to objectifying them.
All I just know is that attraction to someone is EXACTLY like taking drugs. Psychology speaking, when seeing someone attractive, your brain release dopamine (the feel good hormone) EXACTLY like taking drugs. Thus, attraction to someone can be addictive much like drugs and just like addicted to drugs, any addiction is destructive.
Addiction to an attractive person is what we call obsession and can be destructive like clingy/attached behavior and stalking, which is considered as harassment.
That's why I feared being attracted to someone. I'm afraid if I feel attracted to someone, I may develop an unhealthy obsessive behavior towards that person and that person will feel disturb from my presences.
You hit the nail!
You can live your life on what if. Lol.
Necessary fear is good but this isn't.
Wtf
objectifying women IS NOT REAL it is a feminist bullshit .it is just appreciation a women body . you cna look who much you like at them
( in relationship . were women always go for money . the word doesn't make sense when women always say your not giving me enough attention. t's an attack against men )............
GREAT comment!
"What is the harm of objectifying women", YOUR MOM.
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Don't objectify your wife as well😭
I'm goth so objectification is the norm and I hate it. I can't even date anymore because of how disgusted I am by the way men treat me. They just want sex and that is it even though I put it up front that that's not what I want. I hate it and it makes me cry
@ghjefffh hhinkclel you have yet to meet or be with a true man. Masculinity is a suffering force in today's culture
As a man, I know my input probably isn't welcome, but your comment is kinda eye opening. See, I stopped dating cuz I got sick of it feeling like I'm just being used as a sex toy. I got raped when I was younger, so I kinda already despised sex itself, only doing it for my partner. But, when I think about it, idk, maybe it's just my way of avoiding changing myself into a better person. Maybe I'm blaming it all on sex cuz I'm not mature enough to admit or see my other faults. That's kinda sad... Lol
Imagine complaining about taking Ws
Don't cry, girl. The fact that you feel this way is a unique and special gift. You'll find someone that can see that.
@@LagAttacktoSlay sorry about that, being human sucks, hope you get to become a Gundam one day, if not, the next life, no more sexuality issues, all is but metal, replacing metal parts with new upgrades
I was once savage sexually assaulted by a woman who was cheated on and wanted revenge. She treated me like a sex apparatus. I felt used. I felt I could used to be used like that.
As a woman myself, I know that women also see men as objects in the field of finance. We need to know: not ALL men see women as objects and not ALL women see men as objects. It frightens me a lot, because I am often chased on the street, called after or even grabbed. That makes me nauseous and difficult to trust people. I was once surrounded by a group of men when I had had a drink, who then went on to make sexual remarks. I tried to get out of the group, but they wouldn't let me. Their bodies were stronger than mine, to fight, mine was to take it. Really terrible. Can't even have a drink and I'm afraid something will happen. I just hope this does not happen to many girls...and boys too
Women also see men as SEX objects. Unless you are gay. I am fenale btw.
@@No-xs1no True! Sad isn't it?
Get sober and don't go into crowed bars with lots of drunk men. I was beat up in a pool hall with a pool stick. I quit going to pool halls. I quit drinking a few years later.
Need to know who you want in your social circle. This case, the bars, night clubs, casinos, and EDC raves may not be suitable because those places involves drugs, alcohol, gambling, and sex (which I nickname as The Big Bad 4).
What do we know about The Big Bad 4 is that they have a tendency to get out of control and get violent due to easily addicted. Sex good example, easily addicted and get out of control to the point of sexual harassment and even get worse to the point of rape and murder.
@@No-xs1no ur a fEnAlE?!
U are lying.
I'm a Muslim girl n i agree with all you said, i wear modest clothes, not Hijab yet.. cuz i want to be admired for what i do, not how attractive i present myself, I believe men n women both play a crucial role to a healthy, respectful society which folks nowadays don't listen to...Men should control there gaze but how can they control biological processes inside them?Anyways prayer's from my side to you n your fiance.
Thank God, finally, hearing these words from a woman is so refreshing
"How can they control biological processes inside them"
Exactly!
Women, especially in the west, go around half naked all the time, at all the places and then Blame men for so much so as looking at them.
Yes, i agree men should also control their eyes, but these things go both ways, women will have to play their part. But what women want is to put the entire responsibility on Men, and themselves just go around wearing (unwearing, actually) seductive dresses and showing their booties like baboons all the time.
And finally, i appreciate you for wearing modest dresses, and pray that you'll get the blessing of wearing hijab also.
Thank you
@@axd2312 Aww. Thank you!
I don’t think a hijab is necessssry cus I don’t think it’s a woman’s responsibility to control how men perceive them. With great power comes great responsibility If it’s the mens responsibility to care for women then they need to stop degrading
@@YourMom-iy6cv Umm. I think we all have a different perspective. But, you are right in your own way. Not every man will care for you. Its just some men..maybe father,brother,husband or other random men.
@@zuhairfan2490 yes but i think there are women sabotaging other woman who romanticize objectification and toxic behaviours.
Objectification is denying one's humanity.
Love love love this one! I can't believe you don't have more views/subscribers.
Excellent explanation! Thank you! My prayers to you and your fiancée! Keep up the amazing work Culture Project, you are much needed! God Bless!
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Johnny Rage ur brother is a bitch
@@adammoney7910 lol ok
I don't think feeling only sexual attraction is a bad thing, but we need to be upfront and clear about it. When we ask for others consent, we are respecting their humanity
Nice Video! 👌
Good, « Who is she ? ».
Awesome video 🎉
Sometimes it hard to not see myself in that way when I'm objectified so much at work, getting so many "compliments" is sweet...but there's a line, and it feels so dehumanizing to be talked about in a certain way so often 😒 it's definitely not helping my issue with needing validation
aaaa your life is soo tough.
@@edplunk600 hmm are these woman entitled? Or wait maybe they are not men right lol and therefore they have the complete opposite problems to deal with i say, oh yea definitely and overall generally speaking ✌️
"Who is she ?" Beautiful speech. I keep this in mind
Love this 😍
Someone send this to JoCat a hundred times over.
Nice video, thank you!
omg???? such a plot twist??
Thank you, this is how it should be.🙏👍💕
Ok so let's try and deconstruct this a little bit. I'm going to try and make a case for objectification using this guy's scenario. That's a bold thing and I'm definitely not saying that my argument is unassailable but i think it's concrete. I think people objectify things and people all the time (stay with me a little bit) and to take that and paint it black to a point where it seems to be absolutely bad and unjustified is... Well it's inaccurate in some sense because you're labelling something as all bad and (at least implicitly) going "Oh yeah this is definitely bad, never do this because good people don't do this since it's so obviously wrong in any given scenario". But then everybody does it all the time (unconsciously AND sometimes consciously) and then you go and villify the majority of society (typically men) by claiming that these are the people that do it and it's so obvious that they're morally perverted.
This guy saw that woman and he didn't know her. Knowing people is a relatively subjective experience, right? And he didn't know her. All he has to go on was her physical appearance. Isn't judging things (or entities like people) for their physical appearance objectification? I'm not saying he did something that was unjustified. I'm not saying he even chose to do it. We're biological creatures and to try and espouse the view that everything's under our control (including our immediate perception about people) is something that's totally under our conscious control all the time is biologically and psychologically... nonsense. We're biological creatures that identify people for their sexual fitness by using their personalities AND their physical characteristics. I'm not saying that's moral but it is biological and it's the basis of the evolutionary worldview. Most of the secular scientific community believes in evolution. This guy ( maybe inadvertently, even probably inadvertently) identified physical characteristics or the superficial appearance as a marker of... Well, something or someone of great value and potential. How is that not objectification? And if it is, how exactly was it bad AT THAT POINT?
And what followed was something along the lines of 'Okay, who is she? How do I get to know her? I'd like to get to know her' Those are getting into the subjective and GREAT. Be subjective. But if you're going to go and villify an action that people do all the time (that's biologically grounded so deep that it's practically nonsense to call it baseless or absolutely despicable) and say that's bad... You're just wrong to do that. It's the way we function and if you want to go against biology, more power to you but you can't espouse a view that people use to villify a whole segment of society when that view is biologically and psychologically nonsense.
I'm just disturbed by the whole "Men objectify and objectification is bad" view when EVERYBODY DOES IT, probably unconsciously. What I'm NOT saying is that objectification is correct all the way. You're blind and childish and foolish if you just value physical characteristics all the time over everything else. I'm NOT saying subjectivity is bad. I don't think a mature or developed person does functions or should function like that all the time.
So tell me what's wrong with all of the above argument if you had the patience to read all or some of it. This whole cultural villification and painting things in black colours is just so deeply disturbing and I'd like to figure out where I stand and where I should if I need to stand anywhere. Thank you.
I don't believe that he is saying that initially seeing people for their bodies is immoral, but that we should not stop at seeing people for their bodies. I think from an initial thought we have two choices:
(1) we can stay focused on the body, fantasizing about someone as he said, admiring their features, etc
(2) we can shift our thinking, or add thoughts, about their character and personalities. If someone asks the self "who is she" it's an indication that they're more inclined not to obectify, but to consider the whole person and their mind.
Here's a good test to see if you're more inclined to objectifying people (I read of it online). If they cry, do you feel sad for them or only think "oh his face is beautiful when he cries" if she laughs do you laugh with her or just focus on her features.
Another test: would you ignore if someone was annoying, or had conflicting values and interests than you, just based on their looks? If we value people mostly for their bodies and the dopamine highs they give us, then we're inclined to pay less attention to their personas
Edit: one more test is - do you have difficulty being fully mentally present around people who you're physically attracted to? To some degree that's natural, but deeper attraction relies on getting to know people and finding a mixture of love and physical attraction, and many people who consistently objectify others also have difficulty maintaining conversation and getting to know people for their personalities
@@jaidevphadke9293 Yes, I agree with all of that. But the whole cultural context is of people (typically men) objectifying others. And that that's so morally wrong and detestable and so on.
And my argument is that some way at least, that's either wrong or too low-resolution.
People objectify people all the time. What I pointed out was that this guy also objectified first and THEN brought in resolution to this woman's personality, whoever she was. It STARTED from that same mechanism that he's assailing.
I'm still not saying that perceiving people JUST on the basis of their physical characteristics, all the time is right. I don't think that's how a sophisticated/developed person thinks or should think. I'm just saying objectifying has a part to play. It's biologically underpinned. And trying to paint it with black colors under ALL circumstances is a manifestation of ignorant and cynical moral posturing.
I think this is specifically aimed at a target group of people who objectify themselves by showing off their bodies online or by focussing too much on their beauty and being sexy. And women do it much much more than men do it. And you are right, women do get objectified all the time, the result being, women objectify themselves as well, and they live their whole life focussing on their sexiness rather than on other important stuff in life
We are sending a message to people that objectifying women is okay. You are talking about biology, yes we are extremely sensitive to beauty but you have to understand that a huge section of our society which comprises women are focussed on beauty, so much so that we have accepted this to be something natural. Of course you are a woman, you have to be concerned about your beauty. But why??? Its okay to be attracted to a person based on their beauty but what about other attractions? What about emotional attraction? Is physical attractiveness the highest virtue or attribute a woman or man can possess? What about that person's intelligence, that person's honesty. Listen, it's impossible for people to fit into a particular beauty standard. But if we keep saying that it's okay for women to objectify themselves, we are actually putting a gender in mental prison. We are telling women that their value lies in their beauty. We are creating generations after generations of insecure women. The problem lies in that.
@@drshohinidas4051 Right so I think that there's agreement here too that you CAN go overboard and attribute all your value to how you look. That's definitely a possibility and from what I understand that propensity is amplified much more in females, for reasons that are biological, sociological and cultural.
But then I guess my problem is attributing class guilt. I mean look at it this way. We have, or at least the woke media has, villainized men with regards to the whole objectification thing. It's like "These are the culprits and the problem lies in their characters and maybe if they weren't so morally reprehensible all the time, this wouldn't be a problem". And that's just wrong on so many levels
The underlying causes for men AND women participating to make this whole issue transpire as it has are so much deeper than just "Fix your ethics". They're biological and psychological.
And so point being, it's not a matter of moral reprehensibility of one group of people. It's all of us and the systems that make it happen are both conscious and unconscious, although I think the unconscious element can sometimes be overwhelming strong. And that applies to both sexes. Mens implicit adulation for superficial beauty and womens implicit human need to seem sexually fit or socially acceptable.
I'm not saying its justified and I'm definitely not saying these systems don't spiral out of control. They absolutely can. It's just that the actual underpinnings of this whole thing have to acknowledged rather than giving in to some low-resolution ideology of imposing class guilt of moral deprivation.
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Things are good people are bad;
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I don't talk to anyone i knew i highschool
Engaged you say? 👁👁 time to stalk
Run
I’d like to hear your take on modesty
Being heterosexual is not a problem.
Still if u watch enough excessive porn for like 5 10 15 years ur brain will eventually crave gay porn occasionally as well☝️
No one said that it was…
Well, from an islamic perspective appreciating your wife’s beauty is what you should do. Not fooling around. This is because we have an internal hardly controlled desire, to tend towards women which will lead to destroying one’s family.
This is a huge problem with Hollywood.
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Women also objectify men financially. But we never discuss THAT.
There are women out there who see you as you and not your money.
Men also objectify women financially?? There are shit and good people of any sex
@@Carol-sn2pz very rare indeed.
Women in public service jobs are constantly calling men honey and sweety and no one blinks an eye. The other way around might meet with comments lol
@Nick Nation See youre shaming that man but when you do it to a women it's wrong..You're the problem
This sounds awesome but I think it's almost fighting a losing battle. So many women absolutely want to be objectified and valued for the shape of their butt and such. You can't log on to social media without seeing vid after vid after vid of twerking and so on.
Exactly sad but true, still the standarts these kind of bitchy females have in a guy are delusional but honestly aside from their bodys there isn't much in there lol and simply just a huge redflag anyways aside from maybe a one nightstand with them at best haha✌️😎
Not me, absolutely not me, its my nightmare.
Because there’s a demand. Sadly, women are brainwashed into believing that their sex-appeal is their #1 value. If you want to see change, be the change; stop the demand.
Women on the internet do not represent the billions of women that exist on this earth. The woman you pass by in the grocery store who is just running her errands and minding her business, is not “asking” for your objectification. I don’t care what you see women online doing.
I was just put in Facebook jail this morning for telling a Karen where to go....lol. 30 days... On the other hand, I was told by a female barista at Starbucks, that I was objectifying her, by saying Oh they're playing our song. I admit that it was lame, and stupid. But I wasn't thinking of her as an object. I've discovered ageism. I'm now old and creepy and that just 20 years ago, it would have been endearing.
Amazing: sexual desire bound up in respect for the person's humanity = possibilities for a more meaningful life. Sexual desire bound up in what the culture says we can do = continued degradation.
Damn that was wholesome. Were you a virgin when you met her?
porn does tho.....
Yes
It doesn't have to. I don't think so, anyway. If porn is concerned with emphasis on depicting consentual expériences between adults and it takes care to show us that these bodies we are looking at house human beings, then is it really objecting?
@@surgeland9084 but what's your end goal? To use this other person in the video, a human, for yourself, for pleasure. Objectification negates the humanity of a person. It doesn't matter that you recognize them as people. Your objectification is continued by your participation is using another person for your own pleasure. When you see the person on the video, do you ask yourself who this person is, what their hopes and dreams are, and how they are feeling? Most likely not because all people watching porn have one end goal, to gain pleasure from this person therefore objectifying them.
@@surgeland9084 objects are for using and people are meant to be loved. Are you really loving someone when you're using them to gain pleasure for yourself?
@@raff9492 Well, you remind yourself that they're human. Just like you. If you objectify those you gain pleasure from, then that's a problem. It's far from normal. Pleasure must be mutual, so one would hope that those who appear naked or compromised on camera enjoy it, at least to some degree. If they don't, that's a major turn-off for me personally.
But when men have to pay for the first date and have to protect and provide, they become the object.
And if they don’t they are low value…
Well, find someome who matches your mindset
I still don’t understand “seeing another person as an object”
What I do understand is: rape, the constant use of women to advertise products, insulting women - treating women like shit, telling them they’re not worth anything but for s*x, only paying attention to your supposed partner when it’s time to have s*x. These are what I’d call objectifying
Objectification can only be acted upon tho or else simply being attracted to a woman would be objectification. If I saw a girl and I wanted to go down on her, you can’t tell if I liked her or I just wanted s*x really so it can’t be objectification. I could only want the s*x and still treat the person properly Or (in this worldly time we live in) it could be a mutual agreement of just a sexual relationship between friends, it’s not objectification.
Objectification isn’t necessarily wanting just to have sex with a person, or in your words “seeing another person as an object”(unless you want to feel guilty all your life), it’s acting upon it and it usually involves bad treatment of a person.
100%. The problem is not in “objectifying gaze” but in implying that all women’s value is in their body which does not belong to them. And saying, “women objectify themselves” may lead to “she asked to be raped”. Then this woman covers herself, being ashamed of her body, in potato sack and is still raped. Why? Because she is not viewed as a Person with sexy body but rather a doll.
I think a feeling that a woman is anything other than another person is objectification. It’s helpful not to look at them. When you must look at them, look at them as a coworker or fellow shopper. It depends on where you’re at and what you’re doing. I believe that women will be much more comfortable when we can all do this.
objectifying women IS NOT REAL it is a feminist bullshit .it is just appreciation a women body
@@appleswithpeanutbutter609 When you check them out, you are objectifying them. It means you are checking them out to see if they’d be an acceptable sex object.
Ok, here’s the truth. I’m putting that out there to show how absolutely ludicrous that position is. It’s just something else that insane, narcissistic idiots can complain about. The only reason that any of us are here is that some guy looked at a woman and wanted her. It’s pure nature. You’re supposed to approach a woman you find desirable and see if there’s any interest. That’s how the next generation gets here. It’s annoying to no end that “sane “ women don’t slap the $hit out of insane women for spouting this garbage. Isn’t it terrible that someone finds you desirable? Lol. If you do, don’t worry, it will go away before you know it. 😂
Love is nothing but attraction , even he says so, note he only praises beautiful women.. he's still a misogynist..
Love is not an attraction. You need to do research at least because you can't be mature.
I'm curious to hear anyone's perspective. Is it possible to consume pornography or anything of that nature, without objectifying them?
no because porn is made just for that reason.
@@sneakykng768 Can you eleborate?
The moment you get a boner for a random girl is the moment you already passed the line, you are objectifying and lusting after her.
That doesn't apply whatsoever if the women is your wife.
You will see that if you don't get hard for a girl you want to pursue her more and you want to start a good relationship with her. If you lust after her you just want to undress her.
If you watch porn without getting a boner ok, but I doubt a man can actually do it, I never managed to do that! Porn carries other problems but you can say clearly that you objectifed a woman if you got a boner thinking about her.
That's my perspective
@@zemirukaiba I think that's a fair thing to believe. Though, personally, I think it's more a matter of respecting a person's autonomy. If someone uses their body in a sexual manner of their own free will, and decides, again of their own free will to put it online, that's when I think it's not as objectifying. Although, I will say it's difficult to tell when this is and is not the case, and it is for an individual to decide. For instance, if you get hard looking at nudists or people who otherwise enjoy being naked in a nonsexual context, that's objectifying as it doesn't respect the intent or decision of the women in question. Bodies aren't inherently sexual, and it is up to the owner of the body to sexualize it.
@@surgeland9084 absolutely, I'm not saying that if someone watches porn and gets hard is all his fault, absolutely..
But a slice of fault he has, because he knew where he was going.. it's not an accident, it's something you decide to look for.
It all starts with a woman that shares in the internet her body, and many times we can't stop ourselves because it's impossible to close our eyes to a great body so it's not completely our fault but we are called to love a woman body and soul, not to lust after all the others.
I think, living in this world, it's the hardest thing to do, so many times I fall to temptation, but I highly believe that the reward is worth the fight
You need to stop "appreciating beauty" it is exactly the same thing as objectifying!
I don't need your appreciation, I'm not a painting in a museum that's there to be looked at. It has no other function than being a beautiful thing, and it's an object that has zero feelings and emotions. So just stop saying this crap.
There’s a fine line between appreciating beauty and using it for personal gain or emotional gain such as pornography. You can appreciate beauty without objectifying like a girl can say that guy is handsome without objectifying him.
@@YourMom-iy6cv A man will never say that a woman is beautiful without lustig after her and wanting to screw her. So yes that is always 100% objectifying.
A woman can just think a man is handsome. Women have more control over their sexual desires. The difference between animals and humans is that we have a conscious mind. That means we are aware of the consequences of our actions. Men are closer to animals because they still didn't grow out of it. They behave like dogs.
@@timmytee734 yea but social media magazines TV movies music videos all make that desire manifest even more.
No wonder why it’s called “surviving no nut november”
@@YourMom-iy6cv Yes, but we are not Muslims. Lustig is a choice. Men choose to be this way and blame the women for their own weaknesses. They need to stop watching porn and look at women like they are a pice of meat.
@@timmytee734 I agree with you I can just understand two sides of the argument Im saying there aren’t just one answer men and women make their own choices despite gender
I have a boyfriend & his friend (yet again!!! This happened to me twice now) sexually objectified me & tried to get me to hook up with him & pretended to be my friend & pretended to be interested in a hobby i was interested in. He admitted he used to be very manipulative & tried to convince me my boyfriend was sexually using me. Like he’s my boyfriend! We’re supposed to have sex! If my very own committed long term boyfriend & i weren’t having sex in years i’d think something was wrong & we gotta figure it out or i need a new partner. I’m 25 not 70!! I have plenty of time to find Mr. right
Men always objectify before forming any emotional connection with the person. I mean is it a bad thing?. If you ask me , men are real about life . Non objectifying people are fake. Once in relationship, this objectification of their women fades for most men. But some men will still do it , you can tell them apart. They will act robotic. This is why you see men treat their mothers and wife different from other neighbour women.
Ignore that other commenter. You are absolutely right that this is wrong and selfish behavior. Men don't automatically get a pass when it comes to self control. They need to learn it just like the rest of us.
@@penny4thought168 you are certainly triggered. I can only be raw me. 🖕😒
@@emergence8217 Yeah, I am triggered you apparently less control than a toddler and can't help being a pervert. Grow up kid. If you're an adult, you need to seek help. You have some serious issues.
Objectification can only obtain through slavery, without the consent of the other. Then women stop claiming men are objectifying you!
The lengths some people will go to to make sure men never have to face accountability for their shitty actions…
Its hard because woman dress in a way showing all kinds of skin nowdays
@Iil a perfect example in 3 years ago rihana made a song about getting fucked by so many guys that it was so hard so her to walk and she was half naked at her concert and after the concert she was sitting in a bench with her bf and one guy said "hey nice job at hitting that" and she got enraged and tweeted "i am not a piece of meat for men to objectify"
So is theirs :) i believe both men and women should dress moderately and i don't think anyone should be sexually assaulted because of their way they dress but still even if there is completely no sexual harassment people should dress appropriately....it's a public space and even children's are there and it should be a safe space for everyone
@@jovinjoy4005 Im not trying to go a certain gender here on this but really woman should be the ones more so to watch how they dress. They are more so modeled and show a more sexual role than men. Okay when you go to target for instance you see all these models of woman mostly stripped in bikinis and more so..We all know they are models only to show the clothing but its that striking image we men see instantly in our brains. Now there are men out there who like their pants sagging for some stupid reason. I think thats their way of life though
So as you , what I wear doesn’t matter . I suggest you fix you’re perverted brain .😊
@@uknownfrfr6020 Fix our mind that is naturally wired to want to mate with an opposite sex that has existed since the beginning of mankind. Omg, maybe we should honestly rechange our whole genetic code or every fabric of our identity since girls are sooo reluctant to cover up themselves a bit more for attention seeking.
I disagree. Objectification is a natural part of male sexuality, and female sexuality, as many Psychologists have pointed out.
Our eyes have a thing at making objects. So, I don't see how this is a problem exactly.
While Objectification can be a problem if it's not taken with a moderate attempt, like all things in life, it can become dangerous.
But that's not the point I'm making here. I don't understand how observing the beauty of a woman is different from Objectification, when that's exactly the first thing that makes us notice people and their appearances in the first place.
It's like saying someone should evaluate how a house looks like but then they should either blur or suppress their eye vision while doing it. I don't understand how this would work.
Objectification Theory is always used by many conservatives and Religious people to slander the sex positive movement that started back then in the 60's.
Objectification Theory(the one that is taken too far by Conservatism) causes repression of sexuality and sexual shame among males, and also among females who don't fit into the status quo.
How many times has a woman been attacked by the same people that say they're protecting the rights of women, simply because she posed topless? I don't understand why there's so much anti-sexuality these days. It's greatly affecting relationships between men and women.
Infact just take a good look at UA-cam, you get demonetized for any sexual Content or explicit details. (even if gratuitious usage wasn't your intention).
Nudity is even demonized. Everything is getting worse. There's the rise In incel culture, and the NoFap community, the Anti-porn activism, all the likes.
I'm drifting here yeah, but my point is; when someone is sexually attracted to a person they've met for the first time and are fantasizing about them, that is not disrespect. Or dehumanization In my opinion.
Because I certainly don't. But I objectify men.
What people don't understand is the difference between thought and action.
Well action come before thought. That's why we prevent the thought of it first before it becoming an action which is much worse. An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.
@@mhdfrb9971 prevent the thought of it?
How can you prevent the thought of making objects in your mind from what you see and from Objectifying people you find attractive?
And no, that's not how it works, Mindsets do lead to actions, not the other way round. People don't do something unless they have a reason to do so. The Genre theorists would explain this much better.
That is why ideologies are powerful enough to start movements. And Wars.
And again, no. Thinking about something is not equivalent to doing it, that's silly.
And I don't exactly understand what this "prevention" is, and what the disease this "cure" is supposed to prevent.
Mind explaining?
@@Steve-yn3cs The only roads of enquiry there are to think of: one, that it is and that it is not possible for it not to be, this is the path of persuasion (for truth is its companion); the other, that it is not and that it must not be - this I say to you is a path wholly unknowable
@@mhdfrb9971 Please, can you be less vague?
And explain with clarity how this fits into the idea of Objectification being a big deal?
Objectify women, got it.
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@@mfjsyth5718 gen z male humor..
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not
he's a troll i bet
No.
Objectifying women is a very manly thing to do. Talking outside of the context of morality, women who have taken testosterone for body building or for transitioning sex have experienced this "objectification" of people themselves and have grown to understand men along the way.
That still doesn't make it right.
@@penny4thought168 if you want to look at it through moral lens, then what you're saying is that something natural designed by God himself, is wrong. That mentality scares me.
@@freddyperla7944 Bruh, people murder, torture, and hurt. Just because people do it doesn't make it right.
May I remind you of Matthew 18:9?
@@penny4thought168 I get what you're saying. We're just viewing this topic at two different levels of abstraction. And about the Bible, try the Qur'an, Buddhism, theosophy, Tao Te Ching, the Torah and witchcraft as I have.
@@freddyperla7944 Any bible that says degrading women isn't a bible I want to read. I'm not even religious, but I certainly don't want to read about supposedly loving gods making it so one type of person lives a miserable life for another's pleasure.
All women do is spend 3 hours on makeup everyday, twerk on tiktok and sell their body's on only fans.
There's nothing wrong with any of that, we can do what we want with our bodies just as men can. Do you really think that men don't spend time trying to look good for women?
@@WeatherMondacicciit’s a copypasta meme
Many Woman want to be noticed and play on the objectification in life personal and professional but yet then they don't want it. That's why many woman like jewellery and shiney things because it attracts attention and status for potential mated. Lipstick as well because it means healthy lips and other organs. Its a well known biological fact. Do your research. And men are hard wired to notice it. Its life as humans.
Its a fine line.
Women like jewelry because they like it. Not because they want to have your attention. Women are humans just think of women as another human that’s literally it. If you see a women acting a certain way the normal thing to think is “oh that’s her personality” not “all women act like this”.
I really hope everyone starts thinking this way.
Women aren't made to be FOR men. we don't look good for you. We look good cause we wanna look good. We wear jewelry cause we like it. Have you ever considered that? Do you look nice when you go out for attention?
The problem is men today all think we only exist FOR them
@@_lynnloo9988 Yes I do dress up and look my best when I go out for attention. And I dress accordingly and appropriate for the crowd I am in and what I hope to accomplish. Single men and single women have different agendas than most married men and women and dress and carry themselves in other ways. I have single female friends who would disagree with you...they say they dress to impress men because it makes them feel good....so I guess this means you are entitled to your view and your purpose...but do not speak for entire male or female community. As nor do I... and I know it. As I am sure you do not speak foe everyone also. :)
@@rawiii5578 Some of my female friends would disagree with you but that is fine.
@@certaindeed so do you seek validation from women when you dress nicely? or is it just because you feel good looking good?