Great review as always. Just a point on charging speed figures. We need to mention charge curve as well as peak figure. It probably impacts the consumer more in terms of actual charging time.
ID7 looks a bit bland but it does the family chariot thing very well, loads of space for the kids in the back, hatchback boot for trip away, improved tech and decent levels of kit as std. Drives well enough for an EV and has a decent turn of pace, its the jack of all trades, just like the passat used to be. Utimately, VW will need to do deals with lease companies to get these sold, otherwise the choice is getting better and better. Hell I nearly went for the Enyaq Sportline instead! i've got one on order as a company car. I tried a few EV's, Kia for me had the most flair on the outside, the BMW i4 was by far the best to drive, Tesla model 3 had the best tech (huge boot but saloon bootlid :(). Price for the kit and available range was the clincher for me, but it does feel like im slowly giving up on life as im hurtling towards 50!
I had to get used to EVs all being automatic, having blistering acceleration, being quiet, and not having to go to petrol stations. All good things to have to get used too in my book 😊
Crazy that they cut so much rear headroom and width for 3 adults in this big car. Designed for business who rarely have rear passengers. a well designed screen such as the Tesla does work in my opinion. Screen needs to be high and in your sight when looking at the road. I have found it easier to operate things and not had to look down to where knobs and dials were often hidden in my previous cars. I was fed up with the lower ones when trying to turn on the fan I would turn up the radio and deafen myself!
Fantastic to see both you boys back!! Disappointing about the rear headroom, definitely wouldn't fit then being 6'4" from what Harry said. I can only hope this investment in Rivian will mean they turf their software and go with the far better Rivian software in future vehicles which includes of course ABRP. But yes this car is not a looker that's for sure, very dull and I realise that is subjective but for me it's a no-go not just for that mind you the estate version I think will be a better car.
Would 800V architecture make it so much more expensive? Hyundai/Kia manage it in a similar price bracket. I'd have thought that 250kW+ charging would be killer feature for a car aimed at business reps.
You trade wire thickness for increased electrical insulation. It's a function of economies of scale, when you're buying material for potentially 100,000s+ of vehicles it depends on the available tech on the shelf + unit cost per vehicle.
BMW i5 Tourer, if you are looking for something that's even more expensive than an ID.7 😉 EDIT: ....and talking of expensive: Nio also have an estate-type car out.
The Vectra and wannabe Rover 400, the Focus, then the BMW 3 Series or 5 Series, then Mondeo and Passat; now the this. Built for the on-the-road salesperson, weekend tourer, middle manager, secondhand family transport. Which one if all of the above will this be?
Indeed pure luxury...the vents are set correctly for my wife and me, like the seats with memory function due to this...or in a company...due to the drivers user profile, regardless who uses a "pool car". And instead of just blowing cold air to your neck, which makes you sick...it moves up and down automatically while blowing to spread the air evenly into the car
It's a ground-up EV - Did you mean from the ground, up, or it has gone through a grinder - ground-up? :-) - - Listening to you two trying to describe it - I think "bland" is the word you were searching for. - - Nice to see Harry back.
Your comment about the ‘frunk’ is a bugbear of mine; my Tesla M3 has a nose skin to a sports car yet still has massive storage. Other cars with bonnets like a wardrobe have none - is it poor packaging?
Launch price mid £50k's and now available for just over £41k with less than 7k miles, this is definitely a vehicle you should lease, not a buy. That said, would you lease this at circa £650/month (3+3, 10k miles p.a.) or the Model Y which is £150/month cheaper currently?
No Frunk...turning circle is 10.4m due to less overhang at the front...Model 3...12m, although 30cm shorter...this is like a VW Multivan...awful. The MEB Construction is more focused on real world problems, than constructing a frunk no one needs...the cable...at home I have a wallbox with a cable...on journey...guess what..the HPCs have cables, too. You almost never need a Type 2 cable. Tesla Björn showed another reason...Model 3 hood is about 30cm longer than MEB Cars...easy to fit a frunk into it.
@@josefv-y8m my BMW i3 had a frunk, as do many other brands. You’re using Tesla as an excuse when it doesn’t have to be a compromise. I use the frunk all the time in the 3 for dirty shoes etc when on walks, it’s not just for cables!
Great review as usual but I feel for you with your hayfever!!!! Go and have the jab you won’t regret it it’s made a massive difference to me especially riding a push bike or my motorbike Don’t put it off just do it best £80 I spent!!!!
Like it but just doesn’t stand out for me in terms of its competitors. Prob make a good business car and sell a good few that way. Wish they would get a bit more creative and introduce some colour to interior. Maybe white seats would lift it?
Looks boring ... From a bloke who drives a Tesla 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 We have an early ID.3 1st Edition and we are very very happy with it thanks. Just back from a 1300 mile round grip to Orkney and the car returned an average 4.3 miles/kWh over the entire trip. We got all of our camping kit in, we were very comfortable and there were no problems of any sort. 3 things I would change about our ID.3 1st Edition: 1: a 17 inch wheel option 2: the ability to tow a trailer 3: stopping all the halfwit reviewers banging on forever about their own imaginary issues!
Not really...ID7 is the much, much better car. Even...One single feature is already a no no for me...the turning circle...and there are tons of other reasons. The ID7 is at 10,4m due to the MEB Platform and the Ioniq 5...12,5m!!! This is similar to a lorry...even a VW Multivan has only 12m. I almost stopped my test drive at the dealer, since I have to drive backwards once, just to be able to leaf the court. And the Wind noise...and the awful suspension...the humming sound of the electric engine etc. etc....the Software...awful...no contrast of the font...tiny and hardly readable...not able to change this...and so on...
@@josefv-y8m none of this affects me. the VW steering wheel controls would drive me nuts the terrible heater controls.. does the VW have V2L, I certainly would miss that
The boot is not smaller than the Model 3, it is much bigger. The Tesla boot capacity figures are fictional. Put your cars next to each other if you still have the Model 3. The ID7 boot is way bigger.
@@ElectricVehicleMan fantasy land (Tesla figures imply a Model 3 has a bigger boot than an Enyaq, btw). Bjorns banana box tests give a fair comparison of ID7 Vs Model 3 space. Headline, the ID,7 takes as many boxes in the back as a Y. The Model 3 more similar to an ID3.
@@ElectricVehicleManthat is minimal. ID.7 has only minimal less storage space than the MY (10/26 banana boxes for the y, 9/25 for the ID.7 and only 7/19 for the M3)
@@ElectricVehicleMan had to stop part way through to collect my son. I'm guessing you cover this later in the video? Will teach me to comment on videos before watching to the end!
@@ElectricVehicleMan ha! Totally missed that bit, no idea how. I was looking at your coverage of the rear end and then later when Harry got in the back, amazing space and then thought from both a design and rear head space an estate version would be ideal.
@@ElectricVehicleMan ha!...Ha, ha, ha, haa.....!!! I'll bet you just despair of the punters, sometimes .....!!! Two minutes....!! The words 'goldfish' and 'attention span' comes to mind ....
I cannot understand the current fascination most car manufacturers have with all-black interiors, especially black headlining?!?! I hate that. I find it very claustrophobic and depressing, like a troglodite in a cave...... Give me a light-coloured interior any day. For me, and I emphasise this is just me, if a light-coloured interior is not available as an option, then it is a hard "no".
I had to take my ID3 into the dealer for its totally unnecessary service a couple of weeks ago and there was no sign of an ID7 anywhere in the dealership. Difficult to sell something you don't have. Is that because there aren't any around or because they don't want to?
I’ve driven VW Golfs for 25 years. But now need more boot space. Glad I opted for a Y24 Polestar 2. It feels like a better choice than this ID.7 - Bigger battery (82kW), faster charging 205kW, and a frunk.
No, polestar 2 is one of the most awful cars I have ever driven. You feel any pothole in your back, you always here the tires rolling...at 120km/h you have to cry to your wife since wind is soooo loud. I was extremely happy after this test drive to be back in my Passat GTE...QUIET!!!...even with ICE running, it is much more comfortable and more silent, then this awful car. I am not surprised, that almost no one bought this car in 2023 in germany. I also drove a ID7, which is night and day different and much, much better car. I do not even think about to test drive any other Polestar or Volvo due to this experience.
Why the f***, like all legacy car makers EV offerings, are VW EVs vastly overpriced. Batteries are getting cheaper by the day, and have been getting that way since ‘the beginning of time’. Standard(ish) body and trim, the usual, required, collection of safety aids - some of which encourage morons to drive their 3 ton ‘death machines’ like they were Space Hoppers of course - and a drive train with a component count in single digits. Why are they ALWAYS £8-10K more than an ICE car with thousands of components in their engines and gearboxes. As always, they’re all just taking the p***. I’m retired now, I no longer have ‘the luxury’ of a company car, so I drive a Chinese EV, because they price their electric ranges reasonably and don’t take the, as far as EVs go, driving population of the UK for mugs.
Batteries at the bottom means cars have to be higher. This means either making it SUV-shaped, or making it a VERY long coupe (like the ID.7); if you try to make it a coupe, but not too long, you end up with a misshapen blob, like so many EVs (ID.4; Tesly Model Y, most of the Mercs, etc.).
Do you remember Top Gear where they drove Peugeots with the statement that they were driven by people who had "given up". This is now the iD range from VW. All entirely safe and all undesirable. VW have lost their MO-JO.! Hyundai and Kia have stolen it.
This is why VW has record sales... VWs were never the most fancy cars, but they have a lasting design. Even after the third new Version came out, the old one does not look antique. The opposite is Seat...cars look good at the beginning...but after already 6 month I am bored out. The Design from Hyundai and KIA was directed by the former Design Chief of Audi who was the Designer of the first Audi TT (de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schreyer)...now other european Designers are leading this...this is why they have now a good design ;-)
I guess you don’t own one, so grace us with what EV you do own. Why on earth does a saloon need a rear wiper? Haptic buttons arnt a problem if one knows what one’s doing.
ID is shorthand for no IDea, worrying that these are from one of the historically best car manufactures. Is it any wonder that the Western World are concerned about what the Far East are producing? You said it yourself “it’s a ground up EV” perhaps that’s what they should do with it?
Vw make the ugliest cars on the road I think atm. Name one good looking vw? The quality is also terrible. I drove several cars before buying a Hyundai Ionic 5 which looks great I think and being the Namsan edition it’s got everything included. Vw need to get their act together.
Good to see Harry back in good health :}
Just wait for the Skoda Estate variant! All the same basics with a bit more design, outside and in. 👍
Probably the time when Skoda move into overpriced packs..
Great review as always. Just a point on charging speed figures. We need to mention charge curve as well as peak figure. It probably impacts the consumer more in terms of actual charging time.
Wouod be good to see some reviews of older EV’s. Model S/X, ioniq 38 to see how they are holding up.
ID7 looks a bit bland but it does the family chariot thing very well, loads of space for the kids in the back, hatchback boot for trip away, improved tech and decent levels of kit as std. Drives well enough for an EV and has a decent turn of pace, its the jack of all trades, just like the passat used to be. Utimately, VW will need to do deals with lease companies to get these sold, otherwise the choice is getting better and better. Hell I nearly went for the Enyaq Sportline instead!
i've got one on order as a company car. I tried a few EV's, Kia for me had the most flair on the outside, the BMW i4 was by far the best to drive, Tesla model 3 had the best tech (huge boot but saloon bootlid :(). Price for the kit and available range was the clincher for me, but it does feel like im slowly giving up on life as im hurtling towards 50!
I had to get used to EVs all being automatic, having blistering acceleration, being quiet, and not having to go to petrol stations. All good things to have to get used too in my book 😊
Fully flush door handles are a usability nightmare. These seem like a decent compromise.
Nice to see you gents back testing a motor, lets hope you get plenty more this year.
Crazy that they cut so much rear headroom and width for 3 adults in this big car. Designed for business who rarely have rear passengers.
a well designed screen such as the Tesla does work in my opinion. Screen needs to be high and in your sight when looking at the road. I have found it easier to operate things and not had to look down to where knobs and dials were often hidden in my previous cars. I was fed up with the lower ones when trying to turn on the fan I would turn up the radio and deafen myself!
Yep def go the estate
Good to see the test drive and your getting somw stuff in
Dear VW. Sell the ID.3 in North America!!!!!
Fantastic to see both you boys back!! Disappointing about the rear headroom, definitely wouldn't fit then being 6'4" from what Harry said. I can only hope this investment in Rivian will mean they turf their software and go with the far better Rivian software in future vehicles which includes of course ABRP. But yes this car is not a looker that's for sure, very dull and I realise that is subjective but for me it's a no-go not just for that mind you the estate version I think will be a better car.
Would 800V architecture make it so much more expensive? Hyundai/Kia manage it in a similar price bracket.
I'd have thought that 250kW+ charging would be killer feature for a car aimed at business reps.
You trade wire thickness for increased electrical insulation.
It's a function of economies of scale, when you're buying material for potentially 100,000s+ of vehicles it depends on the available tech on the shelf + unit cost per vehicle.
I’d deffo go for estate.. am I right in saying the only other EV estate car currently available is the MG5?
Peugeot e308 and Vauxhall Astra electric both have estate versions.
BMW i5 Tourer, if you are looking for something that's even more expensive than an ID.7 😉
EDIT: ....and talking of expensive: Nio also have an estate-type car out.
So, how does the estate compare to the latest MG5?
Wasn't the MG5 based on the Passat estate?
No, the MG5 is a much smaller car
The rear screams SAAB to me.
No nobs is a dealbreaker. I just can't, really I can't.
The Vectra and wannabe Rover 400, the Focus, then the BMW 3 Series or 5 Series, then Mondeo and Passat; now the this. Built for the on-the-road salesperson, weekend tourer, middle manager, secondhand family transport. Which one if all of the above will this be?
As a 30k mile per year 'middle-manager' this is perfect, thanks very much 😂 I love mine.
Add a button to get rid of two? Motorised vents which will fail rather than manual ones that last forever....mental
Indeed pure luxury...the vents are set correctly for my wife and me, like the seats with memory function due to this...or in a company...due to the drivers user profile, regardless who uses a "pool car".
And instead of just blowing cold air to your neck, which makes you sick...it moves up and down automatically while blowing to spread the air evenly into the car
It's a ground-up EV - Did you mean from the ground, up, or it has gone through a grinder - ground-up? :-) - - Listening to you two trying to describe it - I think "bland" is the word you were searching for. - - Nice to see Harry back.
Estate might actually have enough boot space to put a wheelchair… nice.
Your comment about the ‘frunk’ is a bugbear of mine; my Tesla M3 has a nose skin to a sports car yet still has massive storage. Other cars with bonnets like a wardrobe have none - is it poor packaging?
Great second hand buy.
What really disappoints me now, is that new VAG cars no longer have that little glasses/sunglasses compartment next to dome light.
Launch price mid £50k's and now available for just over £41k with less than 7k miles, this is definitely a vehicle you should lease, not a buy. That said, would you lease this at circa £650/month (3+3, 10k miles p.a.) or the Model Y which is £150/month cheaper currently?
Just got mine for £500 a month with maintenance/tyre package.
Insurance..... Model Y, £1600 fully comp, ID7.... £390.
No brainier...
No Frunk...turning circle is 10.4m due to less overhang at the front...Model 3...12m, although 30cm shorter...this is like a VW Multivan...awful.
The MEB Construction is more focused on real world problems, than constructing a frunk no one needs...the cable...at home I have a wallbox with a cable...on journey...guess what..the HPCs have cables, too. You almost never need a Type 2 cable.
Tesla Björn showed another reason...Model 3 hood is about 30cm longer than MEB Cars...easy to fit a frunk into it.
@@josefv-y8m my BMW i3 had a frunk, as do many other brands. You’re using Tesla as an excuse when it doesn’t have to be a compromise.
I use the frunk all the time in the 3 for dirty shoes etc when on walks, it’s not just for cables!
Great review as usual but I feel for you with your hayfever!!!!
Go and have the jab you won’t regret it it’s made a massive difference to me especially riding a push bike or my motorbike
Don’t put it off just do it best £80 I spent!!!!
Like it but just doesn’t stand out for me in terms of its competitors. Prob make a good business car and sell a good few that way. Wish they would get a bit more creative and introduce some colour to interior. Maybe white seats would lift it?
I can get 4.4 miles per kWh out of the ID.7 - way better than the ID.3 and ID.4.
Expeng have had hold of it for a bit
Looks boring ... From a bloke who drives a Tesla 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
We have an early ID.3 1st Edition and we are very very happy with it thanks.
Just back from a 1300 mile round grip to Orkney and the car returned an average 4.3 miles/kWh over the entire trip. We got all of our camping kit in, we were very comfortable and there were no problems of any sort.
3 things I would change about our ID.3 1st Edition:
1: a 17 inch wheel option
2: the ability to tow a trailer
3: stopping all the halfwit reviewers banging on forever about their own imaginary issues!
If they’re imaginary then why did VW admit they didn’t get it right?
Hello guys
Half a glove box and no manual movement for the vents - am oot.
For that money I would have a high spec Ioniq 5
Better seats, ride comfort and lower consumption speak for the ID.7.
@@fgerstm2069 I’m just not a fan of the Taptic controls, window controls and the bland looks. The Ioniq has a lot more performance and kit
Not really...ID7 is the much, much better car.
Even...One single feature is already a no no for me...the turning circle...and there are tons of other reasons.
The ID7 is at 10,4m due to the MEB Platform and the Ioniq 5...12,5m!!!
This is similar to a lorry...even a VW Multivan has only 12m.
I almost stopped my test drive at the dealer, since I have to drive backwards once, just to be able to leaf the court.
And the Wind noise...and the awful suspension...the humming sound of the electric engine etc. etc....the Software...awful...no contrast of the font...tiny and hardly readable...not able to change this...and so on...
@@josefv-y8m none of this affects me. the VW steering wheel controls would drive me nuts the terrible heater controls.. does the VW have V2L, I certainly would miss that
The boot is not smaller than the Model 3, it is much bigger. The Tesla boot capacity figures are fictional. Put your cars next to each other if you still have the Model 3. The ID7 boot is way bigger.
It’s not. Especially factoring the ‘hole’ beneath the boot floor and the frunk.
@@ElectricVehicleMan fantasy land (Tesla figures imply a Model 3 has a bigger boot than an Enyaq, btw). Bjorns banana box tests give a fair comparison of ID7 Vs Model 3 space. Headline, the ID,7 takes as many boxes in the back as a Y. The Model 3 more similar to an ID3.
@@simondehaas8784 And the frunk? It's all storage!
@@ElectricVehicleMan ah!....but,that's NOT the same as practically sized volume in the boot ....
.... completely different....as you well know ...!!!
@@ElectricVehicleManthat is minimal.
ID.7 has only minimal less storage space than the MY (10/26 banana boxes for the y, 9/25 for the ID.7 and only 7/19 for the M3)
2:40 practicing your finger blasting technique on the door handle?… pure filth! 😂🤣😂🤣
Don’t k ow what you mean!
@@ElectricVehicleMan yeah right 😉😉😂
Am I the only person that thinks this would be a much better as an estate?
I guess you haven't watched the video?
@@ElectricVehicleMan had to stop part way through to collect my son. I'm guessing you cover this later in the video?
Will teach me to comment on videos before watching to the end!
@@darrenjosephgregory I think it’s from 2:00 in.
@@ElectricVehicleMan ha! Totally missed that bit, no idea how. I was looking at your coverage of the rear end and then later when Harry got in the back, amazing space and then thought from both a design and rear head space an estate version would be ideal.
@@ElectricVehicleMan ha!...Ha, ha, ha, haa.....!!!
I'll bet you just despair of the punters, sometimes .....!!!
Two minutes....!!
The words 'goldfish' and 'attention span' comes to mind ....
I cannot understand the current fascination most car manufacturers have with all-black interiors, especially black headlining?!?! I hate that. I find it very claustrophobic and depressing, like a troglodite in a cave...... Give me a light-coloured interior any day. For me, and I emphasise this is just me, if a light-coloured interior is not available as an option, then it is a hard "no".
That silvery pillar mean vw copying the mg5 on the estate? ♾️
I work for VAG and we haven’t sold one yet. 😢
I had to take my ID3 into the dealer for its totally unnecessary service a couple of weeks ago and there was no sign of an ID7 anywhere in the dealership. Difficult to sell something you don't have. Is that because there aren't any around or because they don't want to?
Interesting...the dealer close to me sold a lot...in Bavaria
Sold well in Norway
I’ve driven VW Golfs for 25 years. But now need more boot space. Glad I opted for a Y24 Polestar 2. It feels like a better choice than this ID.7 - Bigger battery (82kW), faster charging 205kW, and a frunk.
No, polestar 2 is one of the most awful cars I have ever driven.
You feel any pothole in your back, you always here the tires rolling...at 120km/h you have to cry to your wife since wind is soooo loud.
I was extremely happy after this test drive to be back in my Passat GTE...QUIET!!!...even with ICE running, it is much more comfortable and more silent, then this awful car. I am not surprised, that almost no one bought this car in 2023 in germany.
I also drove a ID7, which is night and day different and much, much better car.
I do not even think about to test drive any other Polestar or Volvo due to this experience.
The ID 7 is a better car simply
No nobs No sale.
Why the f***, like all legacy car makers EV offerings, are VW EVs vastly overpriced. Batteries are getting cheaper by the day, and have been getting that way since ‘the beginning of time’.
Standard(ish) body and trim, the usual, required, collection of safety aids - some of which encourage morons to drive their 3 ton ‘death machines’ like they were Space Hoppers of course - and a drive train with a component count in single digits. Why are they ALWAYS £8-10K more than an ICE car with thousands of components in their engines and gearboxes. As always, they’re all just taking the p***.
I’m retired now, I no longer have ‘the luxury’ of a company car, so I drive a Chinese EV, because they price their electric ranges reasonably and don’t take the, as far as EVs go, driving population of the UK for mugs.
Im not a chinese factory owner so dont care about rear seat space
Same length as a e38 bmw 7 series.. the growth needs to stop
Batteries at the bottom means cars have to be higher. This means either making it SUV-shaped, or making it a VERY long coupe (like the ID.7); if you try to make it a coupe, but not too long, you end up with a misshapen blob, like so many EVs (ID.4; Tesly Model Y, most of the Mercs, etc.).
For that money I'd sooner have a Tesla Y.
This is a better family car. Tesla drive like a chariot, you feel every bump on the road, ratling and questionable build qulaity.....
Do you remember Top Gear where they drove Peugeots with the statement that they were driven by people who had "given up". This is now the iD range from VW. All entirely safe and all undesirable. VW have lost their MO-JO.! Hyundai and Kia have stolen it.
This is why VW has record sales...
VWs were never the most fancy cars, but they have a lasting design.
Even after the third new Version came out, the old one does not look antique.
The opposite is Seat...cars look good at the beginning...but after already 6 month I am bored out.
The Design from Hyundai and KIA was directed by the former Design Chief of Audi who was the Designer of the first Audi TT (de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schreyer)...now other european Designers are leading this...this is why they have now a good design ;-)
Great review of another disappointing VW . Haptic buttons , stuck on Ipad and no wiper. All deal breakers
I guess you don’t own one, so grace us with what EV you do own. Why on earth does a saloon need a rear wiper? Haptic buttons arnt a problem if one knows what one’s doing.
Only if you own Tesla stocks :-)
ID is shorthand for no IDea, worrying that these are from one of the historically best car manufactures. Is it any wonder that the Western World are concerned about what the Far East are producing? You said it yourself “it’s a ground up EV” perhaps that’s what they should do with it?
Vw make the ugliest cars on the road I think atm. Name one good looking vw? The quality is also terrible. I drove several cars before buying a Hyundai Ionic 5 which looks great I think and being the Namsan edition it’s got everything included. Vw need to get their act together.
The BATTERY on my ELECTRIC CAR is DEAD! It needs REPLACING and the COST is SHOCKING...
The MacMaster
He leased the car, so why is that an issue for him?