Trekyards EP295 - USS Raven
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
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You kept mentioning that the Raven is "from the Voyager era" and "newer than the Galaxy class", such as while commenting on the placement of the impulse engines at the rear. Actually, I am certain it is OLDER than the Galaxy class. If you go back and watch the Voyager episode where they actually show the Hansons doing their research on the Borg, they keep giving stardates that take place several years before the start of TNG (For example, Stardate 32623.5 according to the wiki). So, it predates the Galaxy class by at least 8-9 years if you follow the typical as-seen-on-tv Trek logic of the thousands digit in a stardate rolling over every year. Plus, there's no knowing how old the Raven already was when the Hansons took it for their mission.
At least we can put an approximate upper limit on how old the Raven is, since the computer panels all have the "modern LCARS" interface and not the older one as seen on the Enterprise-C. This means that the Raven was AT MOST approximately 20 years older than the Enterprise-D...assuming oldest-case-scenario that the switch to "modern LCARS" happened around the same time the Enterprise-C was destroyed. Of course, without knowing when the switch to the modern LCARS happened, this can still be tough to pin down more precisely, and admittedly an age range of 8-20 years as of the launch of the Enterprise-D is quite massive. For convenience sake, I like to imagine the Raven as being ~15 years older than the Enterprise-D, but of course YMMV on this assessment.
I thought Picard was the first to know of the Borg, Q putting him there and all
@@lukasp5892 Yes I was, thank you.
I'd imagine you can update from LCARS XP to LCARS OS X if you add more RAM
@@theharbingerofconflation Yeah that really pissed me off about that episode...then Enterprise threw in the Borg, and *how* the Borg got there made sense (the crashed Borg Sphere from "First Contact"...but then they fucked it up by saying that the Borg sent a signal to the Delta Quadrant that would take some 200 years to get there, and so that's why the Federation met the Borg in the Next Generation timeline. But in the first TNG episode with the Borg, it was stated that Q accelerated the Federation's encounter with the Borg...it shouldn't have happened much later.
@@thethirdchimpanzee Misplaced blame on Voyager and Enterprise. Voyager's "Dark Frontier" with the Hanson's following rumors of the Borg was a logical consequence from the events in Star Trek: Generations depicting the Enterprise B's rescue of the El-Aurians from the Nexus. A later scene where Crusher provides Soran's background implies Starfleet learned of the Borg from the El-Aurian refugees.
I give this ship 7 of 9.
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Its a freighter. Just like modern research vessels on earth this is either a converted cargo ship, freighter, or a research vessel built on a common platform shared by a commercial vessel. Every detail discussed can be explained via this rational.
Yeah big cargo lifts on the belly, the hangar doors on the back make sense to be wide if it's essentially a flying warehouse, it's built like a brick for reliability and if most of the internal volume is empty, it doesn't need a massive crew.
This is probably the best utilitarian design ever when it comes to Star Trek. Very realistic and practical.
I get the impression that the Hansens bought and modified a cargo ship because they were working with a grant and were on a tight budget.
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They had to answer to someone as they turned renegate amd followed the borg much longer than was the assignment right? Not sure tho.
It kind of makes sense - a long-duration vessel, which utilizes a low-maintenance design and well-proven technology. You sacrifice efficiency and performance for rock-solid reliability. It probably has some sort of modular sensor/science suite systems available to it...
Thank you for completing my commission. I'm happy you enjoyed the unique design of this this ship as much as I do.
Thanks for commissioning us! We have been releasing all the saved up commissions and indiegoogo perks in the break between Discovery half seasons. This has actually worked really well as you guys got some tremendous designs and they have been a lot of fun to make and bring to the fans!
Hope you liked the new HD renders of the ship! :D
The renders were great. The details really popped.
This is basically the Winnebago of ships
The Eaglemoss Official Starship Collection has the Raven's length at 90 meters and the Equinox's at 222 meters. I too have always loved this ship, and I think, for my internal cannon, I will have to accept the Eaglemoss numbers. Thanks for the video.
NAR. Raven manufactured by Wenibego civilian spacecraft commission.
Barry Bend this is becoming a speech....
Speaking of "Relics" you guys should totally do the "uss jenolan." The Raven feels like its successor
I was going to say that.
Thanks!
All I recall is that the scale of the ship changed between its 1st & later appearances; & that the history book (sold with my Trek collection when I moved, so drawing a blank on the name of the book that listed episodes, movies, & stated events in a timeline!) stated that when the Raven left on its mission, it was following rumors, so obviously almost nothing was known about the Borg! And because it was a civilian ship, it's unlikely it would have received Starfleet tactical updates (after Q introduced Picard to the Borg), before being swept up by the transwarp corridor & dumped in the Delta Quadrant.
90 meters long, deflectors behind side grills in nose, phasers in small dark areas at wing root. 4 decks.
I think why this ship works is that it is a utilitarian no frills design. It gets the job done. That is why it has such a runabout vibe. It isn't designed to be elegent but it isn't ugly, it is plain but has enough elements to not be boring. It Has just enough design elements to not be a box.
USS Winnebago
Judging by window size i don't think is quite as large as the scale chart suggests. Maybe half the size would be closer to a "real" size.
I agree. And with a ship as practical and multipurpose as this, at this big size, there would be no need for a Nova class. At half the size, the Raven is positioned much better.
Yup. I'd expect it to be two, maybe three times the size of a Runabout, based on the size of the windows. The model does appear to be to scale onto itself, but the door and the windows would be stupidly huge, if this thing was Nova-sized.
Yes! One of my favorite ships. Thanks for doing this one guys.
I adore these in depth videos about the ships. Trekyards/Fleetyards = Awesome. Speaks to my inner geek.
Coincidentally my buddy Tim and I (from the Mirfield gig, Sam) were just discussing starting a Star Trek tabletop RPG campaign based around a civilian crew using this ship, so great to hear your analysis on it. Decipher call it an 'Aerie-class' interestingly.
4 Decks on this ship. Also known as an Aeries class. The landing struts come out of the nacelle connections and under the nose.
I'm shocked about the scale. This ship always felt like a roundabout big brother. No way could Seven's parents crew a bigger ship!
I think it is a great design and avoid some of the stereotypes of federation ships not every ship needs a saucer and this looks like a great utilitarian mission-oriented ship.
Captain is right on about the scaling issue. With the external door on the hull, it doesn't leave room for deck one in the LCARS panel.
I'd say it probably should be downscaled by 1/3...maybe 1/2 to make the exterior detail make sense.
Its. Basically a house with warp nacelles
The RV of Star Trek
If i lived in the Trek world and i lived in space not working for Starfleet
Thats what id like to call a home
USS Winnebago
nice little ship. thanks guys for the lookie!
b s little?
If you do more videos about this ship, you should look at how the fighters are released from the ship. It is...fantastic. Also, weapons can use normal "oldschool" ammo and can switch to lasers!
The Aerie-class was a type of Federation starship. The Aerie vessels were used for a variety of purposes, including service as surveyors and colony ships in both Starfleet and civilian service, in the mid-to-late 24th century
Full episode please gentleman I enjoy this a great deal thank you both
From the side view shown at 15.06 I like to think that round thing between the warp coil grill and the bussard, I like to think that is a pop out phaser turret like the ones retrofitted to ds9
The MSD gives the Raven 4 decks with some storage under the bottom deck. And yes it has a shuttle.
Deckplan that briefly appears in the show it has 4/5 decks and small shuttlepod and looks like it could comfortably accommodate around 12 people in a passenger configuration with large communal spaces/storage. I think its primary design is a light freighter/long distance small civilian passenger ship (with the internals configured in to cargo bays or passenger cabins) and the family just refitted it as a science ship with small living area and lots of storage and science equipment. The corrugated bit on the rear that goes all the way around is the small shuttle bay with a cargo bay below.
Liklihood is they scaled it as they wanted to appear but cannabalised runabout model to speed cgi production time hence the out of scale windows.
One of my fave lil designs. Apparently never used ever again. So much work and difference for a one episode showing ship.
Scaling is definitely WAY off. The door is the definitive scale clue ; it's obviously designed to match a runabout door, so the ship should be 1.5 to 2 times the length of a runabout. I think the fan-made MSD is pretty accurate, though I think the warp core is in the wrong place. There are some greeblies on the dorsal surface, just behind the aft edge of the struts, that could be part of the warp core, fueling ports, ejection hatch, etc. But I agree with Stuart that the warp core should probably be horizontal, housed in the aft superstructure, like the Danube class runabout.
It totally reminds me of the Space Balls Winnebago, this is not a bad thing.
I agree that this thing's default scale is probably too large. It would be interesting to see it rescaled to match its door with the runabout door.
I also can't shake the feeling that the Nova's default scale is too small - I know it's supposed to be tiny, but it seems ludicrously small.
Agreed, going by the default scale the Raven is way too big, I mean you can practically fit a Runabout in the hump where the bridge is located. I suspect that the correct size is no more than twice the size of a Runabout.
Riceball01. Twice the size of a runabout doesnt even allow for a second deck. Dont confuse legnth or width with size....
Jeff Lawson. The nova is tiny, in canon and show production its a prototype defiant class ship.
A runabout is one deck. Twice the height would allow a second deck.
I do know that, but something still looks "off" to me. Maybe it's the windows - if they were bigger, it might look better to me.
I think the shuttlebay telescopes down as the picture suggests because there's not enough room for the sections to fit into the upper portion of the bay. But yeah I'd say you could fit two or even three good sized shuttles in that easily, maybe even a runabout.
It is cool seeing a civilian ship. I too thought it was smaller based on the Runabout outline. I would think it would have at least a phaser bank for defense like a old sailing ship. Bridge looks like a possible 3rd deck.
looks like a runabout with steroids
Yes a space motorhome for the whole family.
A "little bit" larger than the shuttle given to Scotty?
It has FOUR decks and an aft hanger more than large enough to hold that shuttle.
It was designed for civilian scientific research. After all, as great as Starfleet is, it can't be everywhere, so the Federation commissioned it for that purpose. It later served as transport for colonists, relief efforts in case of emergencies, etc.
The NAR prefix in the registry denotes it is a civilian ship. Further evidenced by it being "S.S." Raven.
There’s a shot in the episode where it breaks up and falls off a cliff that you can see a cross section of the decks inside the front section.
The USS Raven in my opinion is an ideal transport ship for a small hero party.
I am actually upset that the USS Raven class was not used more often.
Hey Cap, the energy ribbon between the Nacells is going directly through the pylons and ship.
I always thought it was odd that this ship was so huge for a family of 3.
I presume the nacelles actuate like Voyagers to create line of sight at warp.
Did you guys look at the windows when you said it was a “little” bigger then a runabout
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I’d put the size of the raven to be about 50-60 meters (by eye)
On the scale it looks to be 120-140 meters and at lest 4 decks .
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I love this movie. It's so bad it's awesome.
Its Federation. Just not not a commissioned Starfleet vessel
Yes it's totally Federation - Just not Starfleet - But as I've said before i'd not rule out it still being ESPA sponsored.
These are used as colony ships in the game Star Trek Armada II. I can see these ships as civilian transports or starliners, maybe limited to a max speed of warp eight or something.
The Raven actually had 5 decks if i recall correctly. So quite a bit taller than a runabout.
I think the windows are a little big, they make the ship look only a tad bigger than a runabout. And I believe it has three to four floors given the size compared to a shuttle.
FINALLY! I have waited for this one.
Perhaps the bursar has dedicated panels for high efficient processing of certain elements.
The reason i loved it so much, is cause it was a mobile home. It was basically a winnebago. Iv always thought if i could have a danube runabout, id convert it into a camper, like u see people doing to vans and trucks in real life. Then i saw this and remembered it.
According to the timeline, the Hansens were responding to rumors, *not* Starfleet intel!! Likely, the Raven was trailing the Borg when Q dropped Enterprise into Borg space!
Or those “rumors” were things that Sector 31 had heard that people like Soren were talking about after Kirk and the enterprise B “rescued” them from the ribbon
I always loved this ship design, looks boxy from a functional design rather than aesthetic, I see it as a modular ship so you can swap sections out to be mission specific the whole front section (I see front section being a crew and command module, an extra crew section on top, and the main body of the ship being swappable science or cargo modules) the bays from underneath even the whole engine nacelle assembly. And I love how it looks very runabout era, builds on that design principle, but somehow also looks to fill a missing gap in the Defiant class design. I think their scaling is wrong just looking at the size of windows when it's next to voyager.
I imagine this being retrofitted as a fighter transport...think of that section that wraps around the back as the entrance to the bay, and ships deployed out the bottom doors. Moreover imagine turret style phase cannons that swivel on the two structures on top of the ship...or one for cannons and the other rotating photon torpedo tube.
I would hope that you guys will do a briefing report on the USS Saratoga Benjamin Cisco ship that got destroyed fighting the Borg
Anthony Stone there should be a episode about the class which is the Miranda. Google Trekyards and Miranda and it should pop right up! :-)
I really like this ship
Its awesome to see non combat ships in star trek but i do wish it has some kind of defense tho
Supposedly, the Nova class is 160+ meters long. The Aerie class is around 90 meters. I think your scaling is off a bit.
Actually, this is only about 1.3 Intrepid nacelles long, so the Captain is closer than you seem to have noticed, and it seems to be a couple of decks short of the Nova class. So, while it is rather larger than the first impression it gives, it is more like a millionaire's yacht than like a Cruise Ship.
Bussards remind me a bit of the Ambassador class, on its side. Not seeing any RCS thrusters either?
I've always had an issue with referring to the Nacelles as 'warp engines'. To me, a ship has one warp engine; the warp core. To use a car analogy, I think of the warp core as the engine; provides power, and the nacelles as the wheels; puts the power down on the road.
Samuel, if by chance you're reading this I'd love to hear your opinion on that.
gmon78. Warp core is just a power plant, the engines convert the power to propulsion. Nacelles are what houses engines btw, the nacelles on a ww2 bomber dont do anything but mount and house the engines.
DrewLSsix - An engine IS a power plant. In a car, the engine produces the power and sends it to the wheels where that power is converted into forward momentum by way of circular motion. Same for a Starship. The core produces the power and sends it to the nacelles where that power is converted into forward momentum by way of creating a warp bubble. The Nacelles aren't producing the power, they are using it. That is where the distinction occurs.The 'engine' is where the power originates, therefore the warp core is the engine and the nacelles are the wheels.
I totally understand that the engine pods on a plane are called nacelles, but i don't think that analogy works because the power plant, the 'engine' that is actually producing the power is inside the nacelle on a plane, not located elsewhere. This is not the case on a starship. I honestly think my car analogy is more accurate.
gmon78. Relating the field coils to tires is still inaccurate, pragmatically the warp core and the warp coils are both parts pf the same machine. Both combined are the warp engine.
The analogy further doesnt work because the warp core doesnt function like the engine in a car, it functions more like the refinery that creates the fuel for the engine in the car.
DrewLSsix I would argue that the fuel is actually the matter/antimatter that the core uses to create the warp plasma, the 'power' that is then channelled to the nacelles. You could just as easily say that the engine, drive shaft, differentials, wheels etc on a car are all just parts of one machine too.
There has been some suggestions (not often but sometimes) that a ship was (at once stage in the law of the show) able to go to warp under battery power. I can see the logic of that if you think of the idea that the plasma grid used for power for all ships systems can be fed from the impulse engines.
Speaking of which I think I recall seeing them being a single unit and also a separate engine and a separate Impulse reactor too.
But if one goes back to the Romulan war era in FASA those ships had warp speed and only had fusion drives... there is also a suggestion that Cochrane's Phoenix is fusion powered too.
So if Fusion can power a warp Drive at low speeds then it begs the question - why do you need a warp core to propel a saucer to low warp at all ?
I recall from the fact file on this ship I had when I was younger that it has four forward facing phasers two on each side just a bit in front of the pylons I think I can see them on the picture they weren't strips just an emitter don't know if it had any rear weapons and don't think it had torpedoes?
I still think the picture at 2:49 shows that the adolescent 7 of 9 tried to parallel park it after binge playing Need For Speed for too long...
this ship is the drive portion only of a larger unknown ship.... Go with me on this one.... @Trekyards that grove around the neck and the connection bump... its been in our face in entire time...
Any chance of Baran's mercenary ship from Star Trek TNG or Cardassian atr-4107 known as dreadnought from Star Trek voyager?
It’s the banana division of the Federation.
I would want to think the Raben would be about three decks high with Jefferies maintainanve tubes in between
Did tue raven class replaced the uss janovolin class?
ah tje janolan is the sydney class..... the USS janolan is named after the caves near Sydney Australia
jozeph miles U.S.S Jenolan
The Sydney class USS Jenolan is much bigger than the Raven. The model was a repurposed shuttle, so a lot of people assume it's small, but it has Constitution refit nacelles and bridge module, which makes it pretty big. Just slightly shorter than the Miranda class.
with the door scaling i think the overall size is off , i think of this ship as being a Earth civilian science and survey vessel maybe even a light colonial vessel ,where outside of navigation aides and probe launchers , other offensive equipment isn't mission critical , its a nice design gives you a look at Federation Non starfleet designs
I'm surprised you guys didn't reference ditl.org. It's got all the specs and everything. To be fair, most of the dimensions are DITL speculation, but according to the site, the Raven is 105m long, 66.9m wide, 19m tall, and has five decks. Since the Nova is of comparable size and has eight decks, I'd say that tracks.
To me it looks like what you would expect from corp/merchant class vessel.Not built for combat but cargo/research.
Is it possible that different types of warp coils would determine whether "line of sight" was necessary for a warp field formation?
I'd imagine the line of sight tech would enhance warp rather than make it possible in the first place.
both the nova & raven are class 4 size. crew min. 2 try 4 decks. resupply was every 5 years.
decipher ship book.
Did they ever indicate that they had anyone else on the ship to assist, or was it only the mom, dad and 7 of 9?
It's interesting to speculate how big it would be if one assumed the door was the same height as a Runabout door.
I also have to wonder if the unusual logo might be an ESPA logo ?
Or if not that might it be the Manufacturer so the logo might be the spacecraft equivalent of a VW badge.
I think Stewart is on the Money I think it's 3 decks including the Bridge. But it's certainly interesting to consider it as a larger craft and perhaps have 3 shuttle craft in the rear of the middle hull. But in story terms what kinda loon would park their main ship with their 8 year old daughter and wife on it right next to a Borg Cube if they could sensor cloak a shuttle instead.
Not to mention if the wife had come on the mission too - and his sensor dampener failed she could have just hugged him and cloaked them both and then called for a beam out.
Though perhaps the smartest place to hide would have been on the cubes hull. and then when they start to power up the Transwarp just drop off with no power to anything except the sensor baffles and minimal life support. Han Solo style.
2:05 I imagine that this would require better shielding material or a reduced output in radiation caused by the nacelles.
9:20 Shouldn’t this precede the Galaxy-class if Seven was on this ship? Am I missing something here?
20:05 It would only draw their attention. Remember, the Borg left the Raven alone at first.
2:47 : Malcom Reynolds would totally buy this ship.
Weapons?
"DON'T PROVOKE THE BORG" ~Q
This is the real Raven.
You might find that the civilian version of the tech is bigger and less efficient than starfleet modern standard.
the front grill could be the deflector?
You guys seem to have forgotten that the idea behind using this ship was that it was not very high tech comparatively so everything that is "compact for high tech" isn't...
The only time I remember seeing this thing outside of that one episode is the Federation Colony Ship from Armada 2, which is clearly based on it.
The ship was 90 meters long, much larger than a Runabout.
I can see that maybe at least three decks fit in there. But I agree, I believe the ship to be way too big in the scaling shots.
NAR refers to a short range surveyor
Could the ravan class and its science be first designed to be used to compilment the new orleans class tactial and engineering roles?
captianjessie1 more like a survey or colonial vessel.
If one buys the bigger size it would be idea for engineering support services too.
basically a big work van.
The Hansen’s could’ve had other crew members on board in staff support roles. Even one other family could explain the size if they all had galaxy class size rooms since it’s part home away from home part explorer.
A lot of the interior could also be labs and parts storage similar to the extra tanks
Ultimately I really like it too. I would like it even more in a Star Trek first contact anti borg style appearance or refit (poetic justic for the Hansen’s) they could even have seven of nine make it more efficient and armed to add salt to borg wounds it delivers;)
sensors in module top towards rear.
Clearly big enough to have 3 decks. And in the episode of voyager when the front falls off you can see 3 decks.
It’s a cargo style ship
This has nothing to do with the actual episode but i was pondering that your drawn avatars could split the difference and meet each other halfway through with the Monster Maroon-uniforms :D
Edit: eeeeeh, i don't dount that that's the officially given scale but that just doesn't look right. I would have guessed "a little bigger than a Runabout" as well; with that bulky of a hull... i call no no...
Commander Rotal I thought it be about 60 meters myself, it’s the same with the 304 yesterday the Stargate Wiki site says 225meters
But by getting Richard dean Anderson height 6,1 and him standing on a x302 Approx 22-24 meters puts the 304 about 380-500 meters well below the Enterprise E 685 meters .
+Iadarith2 oh, yeah, i'm just catching up on that one, no way the Daedalus is the size of a Sovereign XD
Commander Rotal I'd think splitting the difference would land them on tng uniforms, since the maroon were before and the ds9/voyager ones after
what happened to the video I enjoy seeing their faces!
I think the Raven is a refitted Sidney Class.
screenshotted the actual msd from the episode shuttle is present warp core is not in the same place pretty low res but clearly 5 decks
I wouldn't mind seeing it as a science ship on star trek online.
A shuttle pod? But I like it too. So I want one please.
As i watch this piece on the raven. i was drawn to the under side of the pylons oposite the necell. their looks like a rubber pad area. This could be a scissor lift type of landing strut.
Most sources have the Raven being a Starfleet ship repurposed for civilian use.