Trekyards EP288 - Intrepid Class (Part 1)
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Voyager is one of the best looking ships in fleet ever, so far. Good job of Rick Sternbach and the team behind. I love this ship.
To be fair, the Galaxy classes warp nacelles were like the weakest part of the ship, I can see why Voyager has far more protective plating on it's nacelles.
Seriously I remember the Galaxy classes warp nacelles were practically a design flaw with the number of times an alien attacked them and it screwed the Enterprise and later in DS9, the Odyssey over.
Glitched A.I. it seemed like any damage at all either shut things down or blew the ship up.
The nacelles are not a weakness unless the plot demand it, the Enterprise has taken shots straight the nacelles with only minor damage.
The Nacelles didn't screw over the Odyssey, that would be the lack of shielding and the large warship ramming into the Deflector and causing a Core Breach.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the articulated struts were meant to provide a variable geometry warp field so they can exceed 55mph ... I mean warp 5.5 without breaking the favric of space/time.
Ron Anderson yes I think it was made pretty clear that this ship was designed specifically to prevent further damage to some space I was being caused by other versions of work speed by the Federation. It must have been stated in * log or one of the Star Trek fan magazines. Because I certainly couldn't put the Voyager all the way out there and then limited speed on the way back so they found this great example and I still think articulated pylons are great idea, articulated Wings on the bird of prey look great, on the various Imperial shuttles from Star Wars it can add interest and have this implied practical use as changing the bubble geometry rather than the spinning wheel plates on the Discovery and it's flipping up and down when it goes for drive that I really can't even except a fictional rationale for. Some things are just too far out there for suspension of disbelief! But raising the engine nylons to somehow change its spatial Dynamics in the way a spoiler on a car does with aerodynamics? Sure, that I can believe!
One interesting thing that you can see in the MSD which I guess you guys don't know about or didn't mention is that the Intrepid class starship is designed to carry a second spare warp core. Look at the MSD in this ep that you guys showed, there are two warp cores. Indeed, Voyager was only equipped wth the one core, but she was built to accommodate a secondary core like all other members of the class.
Neat.
I attended a Star Trek convention at the Royal Albert Hall in London in 1995 where the opening sequence of the new Star Trek show Voyager was shown to the huge assembled audience, after rolling the roar of approval was deafening.
It always feels strange to describe the Intrepid-class as "small". It's not small. It's smaller than the enormous Galaxy-class, but to give it a real-life comparison, it's very comparable to a Quantum-class cruise ship, which caries around probably about 6000 people (4000 paying customers and 2000 staff & crew). With its tiny crew, the Intrepid should feel like living in a nearly-empty luxury hotel.
Instablaster
I always thought people on Voyager still lived better than most people on Earth now.
the Voyager did start off on their mission not fully staffed and lost half its crew. they then gained some from the Maquis. it would probably function normally with 200-300 crews The Voyager also had enough room after they were stranded to get fitted to process dilithlium ores and antimatter. they had to make those changes after they got stranded. Comparatively the Voyager also had multideck department/stations like an auxiliary core, auxiliary deflector, landing struts, astrometrics, holodeck, and airponics. so compared to the Constitution it had more redundancy.
I wish they had done more modifications to the ship as the show progressed. Buying and acquiring more alien tech to upgrade the ship.
i remember the episode drone when the 29th drone was formed from 7's nanoprobes & the doc's emitter was formed & they saw how more advanced the tech he had was & yet didn't think to have him upgrade all its systems when he was around
@@stangundam01 Yes, he only upgraded the phasers and shields, which may have helped them defeat the Borg Probe in Dark Frontier.
Once Admiral Janeway added all the armor and upgrades to battle the Borg this ship became one of the most powerful and aggressive ships. Never cared much for the articulation of the nacelles but that's just an opinion. As always, please continue making it so.
They also have infinite supply of shuttles and torpedos
Milan Rejnuš. Considering they built a delta flyer over a long weekend I dont doubt they could resupply their torps and shuttles. Also one of the through lines of the show was Voyager making friends and allies along the way.
DrewLSsix Spare parts jury-rigged to fit Voyager's shuttles is one thing but entire shuttles built to Starfleet plans is something different. Realistically, if Voyager managed to get new shuttles from friends and allies along the way they should really look like something built by those species with a fresh coat of white paint and Starfleet markings at best.
Riceball01. No, they can replicate most of what they need and fabricate most of everything else one way or another. Amd having pre engineered plans to go by would be easier than modifying alien tech.
The alliances would be critical in providing safe harbors for the work, trade for the rare materials that cant be replicated, a more efficient source for things that might take a lot of time or energy if done on board.
Like has been pointed out already, they built two complete starships from scratch. Copying established designs is going to be relatively easy.
And by infinite we of course mean less than a dozen.
Christus Regnet. Over the course of 7 in universe years no less. Given that any single episode might cover as little as a few hours of in universe time theres actually several years worth of events we never saw, its likely that many episodes events are separated months or more. There are entire races they have encountered we only get a quick refference to and those refferences are almoast always about some sort of helpful interaction they had.
Ultimately this is a non issue, they dont always address it in rhe show but theres nothing in the show that makes it a plot hole.
"In 1995 I was two".
I feel so goddamn old now, my back hurting after a day in the office is not making this day any better!
I remember watching the first episode. This was in the UK, before internet piracy was quite so rampant, so it was probably a year or so later in 1996, but it still doesn't feel that long ago, could have sworn it was more around 1998
Oh Guys, please go brush up on the 50th Anniversary Star Trek Encyclopedia information on Voyager and the intrepid class summary in Star Trek Adventures. There is so much to this class of starship...
The intrepid class starship really is a true deep space explorer whose design fulfilled the primary mission of Starfleet...
thats for the Full episode! As you know Mission Briefings are first look's at the design along with these brand new HQ renders to see details potentially not seen before!
The model assets are pretty incredible and showing detail that we never would have seen when the show was broadcast! Thanks for bringing these rare and accurate models to the rest of the fans! If it weren't for your hard work and getting access to these models and their designers, so much information would be lost or left up to conjecture. Great job and the detailed work done on this model is extraordinary!
short range science vessel? uuum... captain folley, u may have gotten that wrong, it's a LONG RANGE science vessel, short range science vessels are nova classes.
Intrepid is a long range explorer.
In combat Intrepid fills the roll of Interceptor. (Long Range, Extremely Fast, well armed.)
That's what I was saying...it's Long range bro
Wasn't Voyager described as a long range science vessel? Making it the ideal ship to get stranded in the Delta Quadrant.
That is the description given by Star Trek Online. The Intrepid Class was meant to be a medium range science to fill the gap between the other science vessels. They changed the use of the Intrepid after it could sustain itself proven by the crew of Voyager.
It was described as a ship designed for combat by Tom Paris.
@@saquist Combat performance. Not just combat. It's a very maneuverable ship compared to other Federation ships of the era and very well armed for it;s size. And it can retreat from almost anything.
@@poseidon5003 Ultimately the entrepreneur class is just too weak Even for patrol combat ship . The show wasn't very consistent between the majority of aggressors and The borg aggressors. Frankly They were too effective in surviving against the Borg
I wish they would have added a line when building the Delta Flyer like "we have have built so many replacement shuttles, it is good we are finally building something more robust this time", which would have helped answer where they go so many and how they could easily design & build one in a single episode.
the line of sight rule is a critically important concept in Trek design - it is a limitation that forces creative ways of overcoming it and integrating it. And Andy Probert really, REALLY was good at making the line of sight rule work for him rather than against him.
See, I think the Intrepid class is more of a scout or interceptor - it is quite well armed, fast, and certainly can carry out long term missions. The Nova class, IMO, is the short duration science vessel...
Correct. In fighter terms Intrepid is an interceptor. In Naval Fleets Intrepid is at the HIGH end of a light Battlecruiser and the low end of a Heavy Battlecruiser.
It could be a Destroyer if more heavily armed and armored.
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative...........Violence." - Captain Janeway
The Intrepid-class starships were designed to have all the features of a Galaxy-class, but reduced in size and quantity, and packed into a smaller ship that was capable of planetary landing.
Not sure if it will be in Part 2, but the nacelles were made for a Variable Geometry Warp Field that aided in reducing the strain on the barrier between normal and subspace layers created by Warp drive. Can't remember which TNG episode, but a warp core detonation cause no less than 12 subspace rifts to open.
yep :) thats one of its core features
Jacob Seime force of nature
Thank you.
And I imagine later ships lost the mechanical feature because they came up with another method to do the same thing through software and field manipulation.
I had always imagined that the Line of Sight rule was planned on being kept by when the nacelles angle up the bump that is visible on top of the nacelles was I meant to articulate as well opening to reveal a blue glow that lined up with the opposing nacelle but they didn't have the budget to actually do that
to date this ship is one of my favorite on screen Starfleet ships , my only pet peeve is the nacelles size , in Star trek online i switch out the intrepid nacelles for others and it seems to flow much better IMO , for me the articulation seemed to be a better way to adjust the warp field and with the flat mode making better sense for atmospheric maneuvers
Why would you want longer nacelles. I mean from a practical stand point I don't want only be super long if my ship is only 345 m I don't want the nacells to be half that. It doesn't make sense you want the ship to be sleek not super long
@@American_Trekkie im not saying real long but just slightly bigger , like a tappered end and such , there are a couple of nacelles in STO that do this for the intrepid and for me it works , its a personal aesthetic
The comments about the nacelles not having blue grill on the opposite side.. Keep in mind that is only for Warp plasma venting. The enterprise D had a lot more plasma to vent so perhaps Voyager had a more upgraded and efficient system for venting. The Warp field itself is completely mathematical in relation to the shapes of the hull for warp field efficiencies. I am guessing the nacelles pilons rotate up to change the ratios for the field to be more efficient as its more elongated along the hull to the front of the hull, similar to how a sports car is made to cut through the air better.. i think thats what the star fleet designers had in mind. *Fun fact, in reality, Rick Berman told the designers to have the pilons rotate for effect to make it look fast*
As I recall, the variable geometry was used for smoother warp entry/exit and to reduce the damaging effect of warp speed on subspace (as postulated in a late-season episode of TNG). At least they paid (brief) attention to that continuity point...
In TNG, they usually call it The Enterprise, but on ENT they often just called it Enterprise, just like Voyager. Since that makes no sense in the in-universe timeline, it kinda just seems like we all decided to drop the The around 1993.
I dont know why starfleet didnt build more of these, only 5 of them, as we see in the show she can take a bloody beating!
5 of these is enough to defeat the borg LOL
Probably integrated the features prototyped by these ships into other designs more refined for specific tasks.
The Intrepids were probably fantastically expensive ships for their size.
Nice, been itching for a "regular" episode, thanks fellas!
we'll we've had a couple since Disc ended but excited to do this month...we just hope we get a ton of views (since the Discovery few months got us record numbers)
Didn't expect this becuz we already did voyager but I'll add it to my voyager list
You guys ever going to to the defiant pathfinder concept ? Any one else want them to do it ?
yes!
yes please do the Defiant Pathfinder Concept
Yes including the 4 nacelle variant.
The nova class was designed based on the defiant pathfinder concept however with significant changes so they are two different ships.
Absolutely
One immediate difference in mass between the two ships, on the Connie officers had decent quarters but the other crew where heavily bunked you have six sharing a space of the average van, on the Voyager even the enlisted crew have quarters around the size of the captains quarters on the Constitution.
I love this ship
two questions, how do they service the impulse engines, and are there control rooms in the nacelles like on a galaxy class? (can the crew get to them?)
Tab Xtra i think so...
On a side note, ever notice how the bridge of the D resembles the Jupiter 2 from the new lost in space movie?
The Porsche 911 of starships.
More like a Veyron
I feel sorry for the crewmen in the shared quarters we see in good shepherd.
Spending 7 years with no privacy would get me down.
This is all well and good but now I want to see a SS Minnow fleet yards
for a science ship Voyager had pretty well armed defense and offence capabilities
“The Enterprise” only sounds fine because there are several, it’s like a type of thing. There’s only one Voyager. It’s like saying “The Stuart” or “The Samuel”
"The Sisko"
A first generation Constitution Class only had around 200+ officers and crew initially. It didn't receive the approximately 430 officers and crew until after the refit performed after the second pilot.
She probably had a lot of upgrades that most likely used smaller versions of much of the initial technology allowing for more living space for crew.
I'm pretty sure the warp nacelles articulate because at that higher angle they have line of sight on each other? That would be a nice explanation and it would follow Roddenberry's rules
I was thinking the same thing.
enterprise D and voyager are my favorite star trek ships
I've always struggled to imagine Voyager (and Equinox) being larger than a Constitution class vessel. The size of the windows and crew complement just make a Constitution class feel so much bigger than the facts state.
Well think about it the intrepid class is 345 m long The Nova class is 170 m long where did you get the idea that the Novaclass was larger Voyager is definitely larger in terms of length with an interior space the equinox is smaller than both.
I've always wondered what the diamond shape is on the primary hull above the secondary deflector
alphaxerosyx It's a big sensor array, as far as I know. 😀
That is a sensor Palette like the one behind the bridge.
But why is it exposed in a very non Trek like way? I think his question is a good one that these functions were obviously being done on other ships that rarely does Star Trek have an area with greeblies being exposed this way that's so much more common on Star Wars ships. There's no corresponding area on any other Starfleet ship that I can think of.
Indeed. That's why It threw me. It makes sense to say it's sensors, but why don't any other Starfleet ships have (exposed) sensors? I think it does add to the aesthetic though. It works very nicely with the rest of the ship.
Actually Dale, The Galaxy Class had the same exposed sensor arrays around the edge of all the hulls. The ship was too big to see the detail. Intrepid took that same concept and expanded them for a greater sensor capacity. According to Canon Intrepid can see 15 light years (half way to the Romulan border from Earth) and has the most advanced sensors in the fleet. Defiant has the same sensor palettes on the dorsal side.
The 37's, established that there were 152 crewmen on Voyager. Janeway said it.
Harry Kim was practicing the clarinet when Tom Paris walked in. Harry complained about the acoustics in his quarters, Paris told him that Voyager was built for combat, not musical harmonics. So Voyager was not a science ship, but more of a patrol ship equipped with the latest technology.
What would gelatinous creature Yaphit think of Voyager's bio-neural gel packs?
Colani Tower TRIGGERED GELATINOUS
I can't remember where I read or heard this, but I was under the impression the design reason for the articulating nacelles was to create warp fields that didn't damage sub space (a TNG problem that was mentioned in the show a few times). In my head cannon the intrepid was the first new class of ship to try and tackle this problem but then after this newer classes could solve the issue without having to articulate the nacelles
i was like 7 when voyager was on.. i watched most of it and next generation around the same time via reruns
I consider the Intrepid to be a one hit test bed leading to the newer designs. We only see a few of these for one. The articulated nacelles don't show up in any future design. The jell packs do, as does her speed, and her more advanced shielding types. She's seemingly not worth building multiple copies of, like the Excelsior, but her technological advancements were.
I loved Voyager as a ship design way more then I did the 1701D. Voyager looked correct from day one while the 1701D looked awkward out of balance and had to grow on me. 1701D felt like too big a jump in size. Had Voyager been the ship design of the 1701D I would have been happier. I think Jefferies would have been ok with it. The TOS 1701 was designed when scifi was obsessed with flying saucers and rocket shaped ships which the 1701 is the perfect combination of both of these shapes while expanding on the mind set. Voyager takes these basic shapes and smooths them into a single hull design. I will agree with the Capt that it would be better to just leave the Nacelles flat.
Damn this ship has grown on me too / You see another Intrepid in one of the episodes of deep space 9 too when Bashir is recruited by Section 31
They used "the Voyager" in the first couple episodes only. Most notably in the episode when they were inside the black hole... episode 3 maybe? I think they realized how awful that sounded when Paris blurted it "It's THE VOYAGER!!!!" Ugghhhh.
That said, Voyager was my favorite ship of any series. With the Connie a close second, of course. And, with the crew count so low, it really underscores what Dax said in the DS9 tribbles episode about the Connie class- "They really packed them in on these old ships". 300 more crew members on a clearly smaller ship. Yeesh. What did they do, alernate beds, 4 per person and when you're not on duty or sleeping, you were required to pace the corridors?
JarOfRats I never understood the problem was saying the Voyager. Even in your response you said the Connie and the DS9, there are just some words that sounds right with "the", like I'm going to the store or to the library but you don't say I'm going to the school or to the work you just I'm going to school or work. Hospital can go either way; British tend to say "going to hospital" in North Americans tend to say going to THE hospital. But these are exceptions.
To me it sounds kind of strange if they just say I'm going back to Voyager. I think it deserves the word the before it just sounds better grammatically to me. Just like you would say I'm going to the ship you're just substituting the name of the ship. You would never just say I'm going to ship I'm going to shuttle I'm going to base your going to the ship to the shuttle to the base Etc. So to me using the word "the" sounds much easier on the ear.
Most of the times in this episode they said "the Enterprise-D" or "the Enterprise" a number of times. And the Excelsior is almost never referred to without the prefix "the". It just sounds better and comes out naturally, even if people don't realise they're saying it.
Dale Stafford check the episode I referenced...2nd or 3rd I the series where they're stuck in a singularity or something. Specifically when Paris blurts out "It's the Voyager!!!". You me, it just sounds ungainly.
JarOfRats I’m glad someone else acknowledged how awful Paris sounded saying “The Voyager “ because it doesn’t work as well as “the enterprise”
Great looking ship
My assumption is that "line of sight" was never a requirement (the Phoenix didn't have it), but during a certain time period, it must have given some sort of significant advantage given the majority of ships we see between NX-01 and the pre-TNG period do follow the rule. Then at some point the technology advanced to the point where the advantage was negligible.
Do the nacelles not have line of sight when they are raised during warp? Surely the back part of the nacelles have line of sight during warp configuration.
Articulating engines makes more sense than a spinning pizza cutter flying threw space ( Disco ). But since this was the only ship seen to articulate it's engines, it's just as much of a one-off experimental design Star Fleet abandoned as the whole Disco era stuff appears to also be. Bottom shot of this ship facing upward makes this ship look like Seaquest, at least the front area. Nacelles were always too small for me as well, even back in the 90's. Some angles they look pretty good but side shots it seems really small for such a large primary hull. I was always amazed the ship didn't fall on it's face with the landing arms only in the secondary hull. That is a lot of forward weight for those to hold. Anyway, great ship.
WaybackTECH. Through space....
The smaller nacelles were a Gene Roddenberry philosophy, a more advanced ship will have smaller more efficient engines.
I take the pivoting nacelles to be a crude way to enact cutting edge theory and they were eliminated with later designs because they came up with a better way to do the job. Same goes for the Disco, but the Disco has a problem that I also saw with Excelsior. A fully fledged starship designed and built around a then not functional technology..... why not a more bare bones testbed hull? Or try it out on a shuttle??
The US navy doesnt build an entire carrier around an untested engine design.
LOL
The nacelle's had an in universe explanation of being a "clean engine" based off of a TNG season 7 episode where they found warp drive was breaking down the galaxy or something similar. They then advanced the tech further explaining that the Enterprise-E didn't require this.
Mike DeMarco doesnt change the fact they have done it the other way in the past, or the fact they didnt test out the m-5 on something other than the fleets powerful flagship etc.
I suppose the problem is.... if they conducted research in a sensible way so few things would go wrong they wouldnt have much of a show!
1st off just a little warning about what I'm going to say you may not I get you may not agree with it but I'm going to say it If you had eyes and used them you would know that not only is discovery not a flying pizza cutter but the top of the saucer spins get it the top the saucer dozens been the top of it does the top tiles spin that's why is not breaking all the laws of physics because only the top tile spin and for the record if he can't see that don't want star take anymore want something like Halo lot less sides in their just battles and stuff
One of My fave Ships
Solved! There is some line of sight during warp travel when the nacelles are up.
Voyager crew complement was ~135-145 _after taking significant fatal casualties thanks to the Caretaker_ so intended crew may have been more like 150 or so...
I could never get how voyager landing legs being able to balance the ship when landed and not tip over as the large saucer section hangs over unsupported.
Yep its a nice tough ship i like it, but the Galaxy class is my fav. :)
So I looked up these "rules"... They're design rules, not technology rules. They are meant to give a consistent design flavoring, not say what the tech can and can't do. It could be tech rules IF you only take the first three, but as soon as you read "Bridge must be at the top center of the primary hull" that instantly tells you it is design, not tech.
The nacelle pair rule is probably actually a balance rule just dumbed down and flatly stated. The "Seen from the front" rule is likely a tech rule and plays on the busard collectors tech. It doesn't make sense for you to have something that is there collect particles blocked. That's just simple and again instead of explaining that they said, must be seen from the front.
The "Line of sight" rule would make no sense from a tech perspective, but it does make sense from a design perspective. You want move the nacelles so that it gives more dimensions to the ship, whether that is back, up, down, or even forward.It gives it character and balance. These concepts are hard to explain, so again, they simplified down to a rule which if you follow you'll likely get it without trying. I would love to see what the Intrepid looks like with pylons swept back and down to create this 50% line of sight because I'm pretty sure it would look over all better.
The central bridge design is likely there for drama purposes.
We have done a complete episode on the design rules. With Andrew Probert.
Durakken ua-cam.com/video/flY1YcCazvk/v-deo.html
So basically...
1. Gene thought a Single Nacelle ship looked terrible, made a statement, and then the Designer and you assumed codependency.
2. They were going to do an effect due to the design (which never happened) and made a retcon assumption.
3. Is basically what I said
4. Is what I said.
In the case of 1 it sounds like Gene was expressing his thought concisely and came from a natural sense of balance like I said, but instead of it being dumbed down it was already in that state and apparently no one realized what the issue was.
In the case of 2. I'd say its not a rule as the reason for the rule is in no way shown to be canon, but supposing it is then there is no reason why that energy couldn't flow through a conduit and/or used in other systems as that would be a massive amount of energy and no reason you couldn't syphon it off.
So... the "rules" are fairly nonsense to follow from a "canon" point of view, but from a stylistic point of view, you follow them so long as you can't figure out how to break them and make it work. The Defiant and Voyager generally work, so I see no reason why you would break those rules, more so in the case of the Defiant as it is a contextual visual departure to clue the audience that this is a different type of ship.
Gene was also, from a "Doylist" standpont, trying to exclude designs that Paramount wasn't/couldn't make money from, being extrapolations of movie designs, and because they weakened his copyright/intellectual-property protections from being used by non-Trek properties (Star Fleet Battles tactical boardgame, for one). These "rules", even being Word of God (or Great Bird, if you will) were codified _only_ in the TNG era!
Paramount was also, in the TNG era, busy ignoring their (licensed!) FASA designs...because, well, many of the FASA designs were kind of screwball...
For your discussion of the Intrepid Class part one concerning than the cells I kind of think that they should have had the look similar to the sovereign-class on the bazaar collector maybe that would have given Voyager a better look
I’d love to see an episode with the USS Cygnus from Disney’s The Black Hole.
if articulation points were always the weakest part of an assembly door hinges would fail before the deadbolt or door jam would when kicked in.
In terms of sensors I find the Constitution-class to look far more advanced than the Intrepid which are exposed.
The only thing which looks more advanced on the Intrepid are the shorter nacelles.
Interesting they never consider that if the ship is faster, the bussard collector aperture would be smaller to get the same rate of hydrogen intake. Smaller intakes are appropriate for a faster ship. You see the same principal in hypersonic aircraft air intakes.
The Intrepid class is possibly the most complete and well thought out Trek design ever. Until the writers screwed it up at least. But Rick's conceptualization of the ship is almost flawless. It does. however, have the ugliest side profile of any Trek ship but in perspective it looks fine. In a way this proves Rick put function before form on this design. The only thing that always seemed odd was the two warp cores...
The naming "The Voyager" seemed to be a nod towards "The Enterprise". The former kind of didn't sound right, and it seems they dropped it, while the later kind of makes sense. In fact you'll notice in the early Voyager novels they call it "The Voyager", but after a few books it gets shortened to "Voyager".
It looks like a bowling pin with tiny wings😂 but it grew on me. The pivoting nacelle was the cost-effective hotfix for regular warp drive damaging subspace(That stupid sttng ep where they got restricted to warp 5)...the nacelles were a way around that...and they're no more stupid I guess than Klingon BOP with their wings that go up and down🤷🏼♀️
The ship on Gilligan's Island was the SS Minnow... not the USS Minnow.
I love Voyager and over all I think it is a science vessel but I think it is interesting that Voyager is a science vessel but you see so few science officer (blue shirts) on board.
for that reason I believe Voyager and maybe the intrepid class could have been a reconnaissance/spy vessel much like the USS Pueblo or the SR-71. Voyager was fast like the SR-71 had the sensors (minus the astrometrics Lab at the time of launch) as we can see at the front of the saucer and we know that the computers were more advance/faster then other ships of the time. It's smaller but big enough to handle most threats, and it's not technically a warship, like the SR-71 was "not" military it was CIA. This would also (explain) give a reason why she "could land" on a planet, to stay hidden for long periods of time and passively listen or watch the movements of ship, troops, and a like. But science vessel can do all of that as well, wink wink...
this could also explain why she could fire Cardassian weapons and why Tuvok was on the mission he was on.
but that is just my opinion.
Always thought the profile was shaped like a cordless Dirt Devil Vacuum.
Tf...you didn't realize you didn't do this one yet :D
my favorite...well...after the Akira... ship class. Lovely :)
In the TOS novel which has Seven of Nine crossing over, they describe the Enterprise having cargo bays.
In my opinion the intrepid is the best rounded out ship on ST-History. I would have liked it if the nacelles would have actively varied their position while flight. I always thought it does make sense that they react to Warpfield inconsistencies and change position to optimize the warpfield geometry. But with the standard position to be all flat but the nacelles only moving minimal as stated in some manuals why not building them in always up position? It would have been better to show that at some occasions the nacelles would also be flat down at warp speed so they change the position from all up to all down all the time anyway so the standard impulse configuration with all down is just a design choice. Also it would have made for an cooler effect. The up nacelles and Voyager at warp speed always reminded me of an streamlined ship in the Water and i always thought that looked kind of cool.
I also like the various features of Voyager like the spare Warp Core and secondary deflector so they basically had an completely redundant Warp system. What happens to an starship without a core anyway? Basically they are stranded and need spareparts brought by an other starship right? Not very good for an exploration vessel far away from home. Or how many times did they reconfigure the Deflector in TNG to do something else? I always wondered what would happen if they needed to escape quickly? Can the Deflector do its normal job if it was modified to do something else? In a case like that an secondary one comes in handy. It could stay modified over long times and the Ship still be able to warp away quickly. Also the landing gear. Since they have an Antimatter Generator which only produces Antimatter with normal Deuterium like 1:10 but if they are running low they could land and use the Bussardcollectors to gather the Deuterium in the Athmospere and produce their own fuel. If in an Class M atmosphere they even could power down many systems to reduce their overall fuel consumption. But not sure why Voyager didn't do that. probably cause "plot". Same why they had no Sparewarpcore or the Aerowing. Or fuel for three years without refueling like the intrepid should have.
Also the landing comes in handy if they need to hide. They could do that in an Atmosphere and while powered down the enemy would have a tough time trying to find them in between all those mountains and stuff on a planets surface. While their sensor array and secondary deflector on the nose points to the sky and they could scan everything. Nice to use it as a spy in enemy territory. Or fly to a planet land and do long term research. If they need to research for long times it would be handy to just land and have an operation base and save resources by powering down the ship. And if done they just ply away and leave no trace that they were there. Perfect for the prime directive and eliminates the need to build a research lab from nothing.
With its comfort it can accommodate Persons of interest. It even had a Captains Dining Area separated from the rest of the crew where important Guests could dine and discuss while dining in private. Also its bridge is build to support two seemingly equal commanding officers. That we almost never see with Captain and first officer but most of the times with Admirals coming on board. They always take control over the mission but leave the ships in the Hands of their Captains and work somewhat eye to eye with the captains being more like an supporting employee than an subordinate. To that comes the advanced warp drive and its impressive combat capabilities which were outstanding for a ship its size.
All that gives the intrepid more of an comand-ship kind of role. carrying an Admiral in times of crisis fast from important battlefield to battlefield and being through its small size not providing a big target for the enemy or even stay away from their attention. But it also could show its teeth if necessary. In times of peace the ship seems to conduct long term exploration. Fly behind ships like the Enterprise and investigate interesting things further which were discovered by ships like the Galaxy-class in their short fly by. For that they as mentioned above had advanced sensors and could land to provide an mobile exploration base and save resources. in that rolle the Aerowing would tie in smoothly since build both for atmospheric travel and space equally. With that in mind it is reasonable to assume that intrepid classes would land often to do their job. In case of an War they could get back to Federation space with high warp speeds.
That is basically my explanation for all those Stuff the Intrepids were outfitted. It seems that they try to fit multiple entirely different rolls and needed to carry everything to react quickly to different situations without the need of an major refit or reconfiguration. Like they were build to do normal research activities while in normal service but respond to cases like War (or if something like a Command ship is needed) within days. I always was sad that in Voyager we don't get at least told what kind of service Voyager was intentionally build for. But its mission at the Badlands it did more like an escort. More like its quick crises response and engage kind of mission profile.
I like the Voyager. But there is an appalling lack of Windows particularly in critical areas like around the edge of the saucer and along the front of the ship. For angles where it's coming towards you straight on, the only Windows facing forwards essentially are the captain's ready room and the conference room. Also I never liked that the bottom of the saucer is almost completely featureless and also lacks windows. I know they would be relatively flat with the bottom of the ship but they are on the enterprise-d and it's so important for giving scale. I really like the design of the rest of the ship including the articulated nacelles.
But really would be interested to hear about the decision to give so few Windows, fewer than either the TOs or refit Connie, even on decks do have, have just a few- it seems to have been a concerted effort.
But then randomly below the shuttlebay there is an interesting group of Windows on that edge but not around the saucer? I think that's a really missed opportunity to establish the scale and always looks cool on ships establishing a circular living space and interesting views around the edge of the saucer, and giving it an impressive front end and "face" having Windows going from the edge of the saucer up to the bridge where Voyager has almost none.
You don't need a million windows how is there an appalling lack of windows. Just because the TOS ship and kanye reef it have many windows doesn't mean a 100 years later they're still doing the same thing take a look at the secondary Hall is ordinary Hall has many windows but I guess people forget the Condor refit to voyager era 110 year time difference what are people not getting about this.
Tom pairs said in an episode in season one "Its us, its THE Voyager" Yeah it just doesn't sound right. Do like the ship though it grew on me a lot.
I like the fact it was not a saucer design. There is no reason why all federation ship need to look like TOS.
I’d want to see the Constitution Class retrofitted with TNG weapons like Phaser strips and escape pod hatches across the Hull-and red nacelle collectors like the Galaxy and Intrepid classes. Maybe even loaded with Photon and Quantum Torpedoes with Tricolbalt warheads by any chance. With type 2 eggshell shields in TNG and Ablative armor like DS9. Even with the TNG Warp scale the new Constitution would be my favorite refit than the actual refit itself.
I think they did that sort of redesign in Star Trek Online. Can't remember the name, though
Voyager started out with a crew of 200.
the size crybabies are loose on this video. Have you ever tried to measure the Defiant... now that ship has Size Manipulation powers
robinvan1983. Enough to fit a pair of whales in the cargo bay??
talking about ship designs, I really think the TOS constitution is laughably archaic looking. I mean, look at it this way: 10 years after TOS we had TMP and immediately the TOS Enterprise looked like a quaint relic, much like how we look at the art deco rocket ships of Flash Gordon. 10 years after TNG the Enterprise D hadn't dated at all. 20 years after, still hadn't dated. 30 years after TNG and it STILL hasn't dated. It's a vastly superior design to Jeffries' original.
I don't dislike Voyager's variable geometry nacelle gimmick, but I've never really understood the in-universe reason for it.
"It's more eco-friendly to the fabric of space/subspace."
Okay but...then why not leave the nacelles in the 'up' position all the time? They're not doing anything when you're not at warp, so I don't see the benefit in them lowering (other than it looks better when maneuvering at sub-light speeds). _Maybe_ if the nacelles moved to different heights/angles depending on the warp speed of the ship (lower angle for lower warp speeds, all the way up for maximum warp, or something), thereby changing the shape of the warp field, I could picture there being some sort of benefit...?
That probably doesn't gel with how warp fields are supposed to work, but at least it would be something.
As ships name is a proper noun and should never have "the" Infront of it.
Voyager was the minivan of starships- functional but ugly. The rounder edges and shapes make it feel like it's a balloon version of the real thing. Or, like, it was meant to be an inflatable pool chair or something. As a kid, I did find it pretty funny that, after years of killing time at restaurants pretending that spoons looked like the Enterprise (or other starships), they went and made Voyager: a starship that looks like a spoon.
I have to disagree with Samuel and say that it has very few really good angles. It has one or two (like front-on but not from below), but we rarely see it from those angles.
I think the problem is it feels so disproportionate- you have this feeling of this huge "head" on a small body (and, though the integrated saucer neck makes sense and i am perfectly ok with, not having the saucer separate from the secondary hull only enhances this impression versus something like the Galaxy which also has a bigger saucer but successfully so) and that, while various parts of the ship look good by themselves (like the back of the ship around the engines and shuttle bay), they don't combine well as a whole.
It does look a little better with the nacelles raised, though- that at least starts to minimize the sharp drop off and empty space behind the neck and reduces the impression of the proportionate issue.
The Voyager sounds weird because the word "Voyager" is a verbal noun. It feels like you shouldn't have an article in front of the word because it is a verb that has been conjugated into a noun.
Brennan A. Murray In this case, above all, it's a proper name for a vessel. Do you say 'the Titanic' or 'Titanic', 'the Mayflower' or 'Mayflower', 'the Lusitania' or 'Lusitania'? I personally think it works either way.
"The" definitely sounds better, even currently speaking of the Queen Elizabeth II aircraft carrier or an American equivalent being called the Ronald Reagan. In part it separates it from the person but even others like the Dauntless or the Victorious just sound better with the article in my opinion.
*Intrepid is not a Science Vessel* It's a combat vessel. It's first mission was combat oriented, It was armed with Tri-cobalt devices, It has four torpedo tubes and 13 or 15 phaser arrays ( more than any vessel in First Contact including Enterprise E), Tom Paris says to Harry Kim, *This ship was built for combat performance, Harry, not musical .performance.*
-No ship has ever exceeded Warp 9.975. Not even Prometheus.
-Beautiful Shot of Voyager and Galaxy over the other.
-Intrepid's Engines are articulated to tuck them behind the saucer section at warp allowing for a streamlined warp field.
-Intrepid's Engines return to the level flight to allow the impulse engines to trust against the ship's axial center of gravity.
The EMH2 on the USS Prometheus (launched on stardate 50749.5 according to the plaque).
"This vessel was designed to go faster than anything in the fleet, so we'll never be rescued."
The EMH is wrong.
Voyager Doctor: "I've accessed the navigational logs. We're at warp nine point nine, heading straight for Romulan space."
The Prometheus Doctor says in reply: "This vessel was designed to go faster than anything in the fleet, so we'll never be rescued."
Voyager was designed to go faster than warp 9.9. * Voyager speed is warp 9.975*
If voyager is alittle bigger then tos enterprise. should have more crew.
years and years of advanced technology...more automation, smaller technology, larger personal spaced, etc. Space gets re-distributed.
Finally doing a ship. YEAH, And not a ship only from Star discovery
we have done a couple since :)
I was just about to watch Voyager episode 10 season 6 Pathfinder coincidence maybe?¿?¿?¿
But I don't think so
You said that Constitution class was not made for war But it saw a response to the Klingon D7-class was it not ?
About time you made this video
I always thought the transition from the "saucer" to the engineering hull was a bit lacking, at least from below. I wish the nacelles were a lot meatier, and I didn't care for the huge flat and thick deck, aft of the shuttle bay. For the parts of the ship that did work for me, they were extremely well done. It just didn't quite hit all the marks. 🖖
I kind of liked the ship, thought it was a bit limiting that they decided to use it for Voyager so you had all those issues around them consuming more resources and crew than they should really have, and the articulated nacelles was under used they mostly just kept recycling the same clip so in different conditions of space/combat you would rarely see it. Its not a warship and it wasn't a dedicated science ship. It was for multi-year exploration missions just outside the Federations border similar to 5 year mission of the original enterprise.
Are you guys going to cover the ships from this season of Agents of Shield?
Cage TOS constitution didn't it originally have a crew of 200?
Maybe having them down while not a warp strengthened the connection between the nacelles and ship.
Robert Hayes - The idea behind the variable geometry Warp nacelles is for achieving higher efficiencies at different Warp speeds. The nacelles raise up while at higher Warp speeds.
how did you two meet?
The scale is off when comparing the Constellation class and the Intrepid class. The Intrepid just looks way too big, especially when looking at the windows and when you count decks. I just have a hard time believing this ship is supposed to be somewhere in between the size of a Constellation Class and an Excelsior class, which was a massive ship and had a large crew.
Voyager looks very big compared to the Galaxy class, with V-deck 8 as thick as G-decks 9&10 combined!
Spoon-Ship with plot armor plating, so resourceful. That show ruined The Borg and trashed continuity. With Transwarp and Batmobile Armor, The Federation would have wiped out its opponents in the Alpha Quadrant with the greatest of ease.
Voyager brought back so much overpowered BS. They had no choice but to go back in time for the next show, and reboot a new timeline in the more recent movies.
Every Star Trek Adventures game I run opens with the Voyager exploding in the Badlands with all hands lost.
So Voyager defiantly lost 10 Shuttles and possibly another 7 (according to Ex Astris). That little shuttle bay held that many?!? Always loved the ship. Always thought the show was badly written.
They built alot of shuttles, if they can build 2 Deltaflyers I think they can build a few type 9's. Also the shuttle bay is nearly 3 decks high it can fit 5 shuttles.
They used their replicators to make shuttle parts and build new shuttles. They built 2 Delta Flyers which were big shuttles so the smaller ones would be even easier to build.
To add to what the others said you have to remember they spent quite a lot of time forming alliance's with other ships and races along the way. We typically saw a few hours worth of events per episode and we know the shows 7 seasons correlates to 7 years of in universe time. That means on average there can be several weeks to months between any given episodes events.
I woulsve thought that Voyager crew numbers would at least reach to 350, not the 150 , as it is indicated on the show.