Triple carb ALFA ROMEO BUSSO V6 build announcement - MaXpeedingRods 48IDF carbs unboxing and review
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2020
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What is up engine heads! Today we're announcing a new build that we will be following on the D4A channel. It's a brand new build unrelated to my MR2 and it's an Alfa Romeo V6 Busso build that will feature triple 48 IDF carburetors peering through the hood of an Alfa Romeo GTV6. So the definition of old school cool.
The build has already reached some significant milestones and in the near future we will be featuring the Busso V6 engine assembly, install, first start, first drive and more important events for this engine.
The carburetors that will be used on the engine are 48 IDF downdraft carburetors made my MaXpeedingRods. These are very affordable yet very well made carbs that will ensure an incredible soundtrack and throttle response for the V6 lump.
Thanks a lot for watching and stay tuned for more updates from this really cool build. As you know, I love carburetors and I'm really excited to be part of this.
A special thank you to my patrons:
Daniel
Peter Della Flora
Daniel Morgan
William
Richard
Pepe
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I imagine if he explained to you that your wife was leaving you,
It would still make you feel optimistic.
@@fastinradfordable ...coz he'll give the gud news, that your wife is leaving you to do a Phd and she wants a bette life forr both of you.
I had this engine on a 155 V6. Pure joy and music although not that much power. And nice to look at as well, chromed intake tubes - no plastic covers here.
It really is one of the prettiest engines ever made
@@d4a Only in the latter transverse mount/FWD version (the one in the photos).
The earlier longitudinal mount/RWD engine didn't look like anything special.
sometimes its about the experience more than the speed
Try getting it in the 147 , 3.2 litres of v6 goodness and sub 1200kg sub compact weight!
can you make a vid abawt carbs, port EFI and direct EFI comparison cuz i'm just a young lad were just getting started in the world of my dreams which are cars moh powah to the channel driving 4 answers a very interesting, informative, irrepetitive and gr8 channel love your vids
Will do a vid like that in a few weeks 👍
3 people to thank for if in future I'll be upgrading my Engine,
1. D4A
2. AEM
3. MaxSpeedingRods
Ooo! This is a very exciting build! Who in this world that loves the smell of petrol, could not love a GTV with a big Busso with downdrafts??? You have my attention good sir!
The gtv6 kicks ass. Can't wait to see the build. I have never personally bought anything from maxspeedingrods. The idf carbs look awesome. In the past, I have occasionally seen Chinese carbs that had some metric adjustment nuts and some standard American adjustment nuts. This can sometimes be a pain in the ass. That would be my only doubt concerning this setup and for the cost, it is probably still worth it even if you had to make a tool specifically to install or adjust it. Thanks for the excellent videos sir!
What a badass engine, cant wait to see the build.
Exciting stuff, cant wait to hear how it sounds!
Very excited for that V6
great video man, cant wait to see how the build goes. what an interesting setup!
I’ve been a fan from the beginning of iconic engine series and I can’t wait to see the v6 build.I to am impressed with the quality of maxspeeding rods I think they started with coil overs which had a lot of very good reviews
AR V6 Busso engine is a masterwork of Technical Masterpiece
That's going to sound amazing!
I love hill climb racing my plan for my eg civic is a 500hp turbo 10,000rpm b16a2 awd with rediculous aero and I want to do some hill climb racing and road racing
5 star presentation! I wish I had watched this before I wrote my Busso 156 sportwagon off a month ago! I loved that car....
AR V6 Busso engine is a true symphonic orchestra
We are in for some uber cool old school stuff.
It's better to find the older, made in Italy webers and have them rebuilt if you can afford it, rather than the now made in Spain or wherever they were since last I checked.. Its about the fitment too, my friend bought one of those chinese $150 Holley 4 barrel s and a few of the internal passages were not milled out correctly and he had to also mill the body and baseplate flat so they sealed properly onto each other and replace some of the jets and air bleeds with genuine Holley items as the supplied ones were improperly machined. So, although some may not agree, you do get what you pay for in the end..
At first I thought you were gonna V6 swap a Busso into the MR2 which would be so awesome. I wanna do that now🤣
Waiting for it to breathe and roar. Awesome idea.
I really appreciate that d4a takes us viewers into consideration and strategically places "his" ads in between a smooth transition. Makes it so much less offensive and intrusive for the viewer! Nobody likes ads, and I hate it the most when a video topic is really interesting and is abruptly cut due to stupid irrelevant ads. Thank you mr d4a!
Just found this after doing a 40 IDF install on my 87 spider v6 swap. Looks great but pretty tall!
"0 electronics"
ignition system is quietly waiting in the corner...
That engine starts only if it's pleased by the driver 😌.
he should convert it to compression ignition
SHOW US THE LANCIA!!!
I recomend pulling the top plate and checking the bowls for machining trash as well as reset the floats. I have the 40 versions of those and found mine to have floats out of adjustment and some minor machining trash.. i pull all new carbs to check for these problems. Other than that the pair i have run great!
Thanks for the tip man!
I was thinking about how sexy the Busso sounds the other day. Very keen
Nice engineering👍
Love this project. And yes, LanCia is an Italian brand (that FCA is managing to kill, fuc*kers!) so you pronunce it well in the Italian way :)
Curious to know which kind of "getti" (the micrometric holed screws) will fit them... Dell'Orto? Weber?
You mean jets? From what I can see, weber jets fit these
@@d4a Yep! Those ones :) Good, they probably are better :)
A lot of shops down here in Argentina use them, same with his brothers the FAJS and the EMPI. They don't work as good from the box, and many dissasemble them and change all the jets for original Weber, also they check all the fuel and air passages, some casting aren't that perfect as they seem from the outside. But once dialed in they work like original Webers, and as they use them only in full throttle situations (1/4 miles) it's not that big of a deal for the street, i mean always with criteria, if you stuck 2 48 48 on a 1.6 4 banger, well yeah, you're gonna fill with carbon your sparks plugs, but for example, a 40 40 for a 1.6 gets ideal for races and the street. Good luck with the build, seems fun and noisy
So u know for sure that the jets from webers actually just fit OK in these? Asking as I'm building a V6 myself and was gonna go webers but if these work OK I'll get them, just worried about jets
Thanx Gaf
@@v6powerjunkie yes, go for it, FAJS are exact replicas of webers so jets would fit, also the original ones are just better made and up to spec
@@martokisful thank you for that fast reply really appreciate it Gaf
Hello, and thank You for another video. Just found it, 3 years after You made it.
And, I must disagree with You.
I am a (Ret) rally driver, built my cars and engines from scratch, and had Weber DCOE:s, all the time.
They are anything but simple.
Just want to tell a "short" story:
I put together an engine, and took the car to a dyno. This guy had worked as a team mechanic, for a team with Ford engines and Weber carbs.
He had a book, about 10cm thick! Firs he asked me everything, and I mean everything: valves, cam, displacement, and.........!
Then, he took the book, opened it and said:"Lets begin about here."
2 hours later and several pulls on dyno, with changes of jets, emulsion tubes..., he told me:"I think we are almost there."
"I will test one more size on main jet, a 0.1mm bigger".
We lost 10 Hp! On that!
He made the change back, I paid him and took that paper, for my engines performance. Happy and broke.
So, to say:"Carbs are simple", No, they are not, not if You want the best and most, out from them.
sorry to be a party pooper, but I think I know a thing or two, about those things.
from a Finn in Diaspora
Any chance in the future to make a video on f20c/f22c?
so you will have 2 busso engines on your channel :)
😉
I used an FCR33 made in china carburetor on my motorcycle and it works well too.
I'd say go with a 24 valve. You can still get like 60% of max torque @1.000 rpm and reach 300 HP from a 3.0 with a usable tune.
..1 or 2 videos 3 years ago about adding carbs to a Busso...but then nothing further? How did the project go and what lessons can you share?
lot of talking not much doing...
Great project, very unique.
I would like to know your opinion on the performance potential of the mazda L3 2.3 na .
Do you have any update on this project?
I have started thinking I might do a triple carb on my fiero v6 project also. Do you feel confident that these maxpeeding carbs are up for the task?
Webers are expensive but they are certain to work onnthe other hand..
does maxpeedingrods make an dcoe 48ida? cus the webers like 600 ....
Thanks for the video I would like to know the quality and if it works well some ppl are saying they don’t work well
I really really really hope Maxpeedingrods start making DCOE-style carbs soon!!!
Me too 😊
I wish maxpeedingrods sold these carbs in my country (brazil), If they want they can open a shop page in our most popular e-shopping website (mercado livre), i definitely gonna put those in my chevette, when i buy one heheh
Cross the border to Argentina, we import plenty of them for the all the 1/4 mile Fiats we run. Also you can import them
The South African 3 liter gtv6 had delortto twin choke carbs. Check out glen wood motors on you tube.
Personally, I found the carb engined motor a gas guzzling monster. Great torque, not so revvy. And not easy to start. I switched to an injection set up
I have a question, after you assemble all your components and have it tuned, how long before you need to tune/adjust it again?
when the temperatur or altitude changes
Where did you get the inlet manifold please
Good luck with synthronizing these carbs and make cylinderheads perform the same in all six cylinders.just a taste of Ferrari's old school.
was the build cancelled? can't find anything else in his library
I am shocked! This maxpeeding rods stuff looks amazing!
This is random, but I thought it was pretty cool. So I was repairing a 2001 Lexus with the 3.0 v6 VVTI motor. Most of the design is standard, but it had one really cool feature. The bank 1 and bank 2 intake runners are divided from the throttle body to the heads, BUT it has a series of vacuum-controlled butterflies that allow the runners to be joined.
I am no engineer, but traditionally, divided runners yield better low end torque and economy while joined runners yield better horsepower. Through a very clever engineering approach, this theoretically makes the engine capable of a better balance of horsepower and economy than a normal intake, and it is effectively self-regulating via engine vacuum. It’s pretty cool in my opinion
Might be random, but it's pretty cool!
Nice Webers!!!!
Chinese IDF's? WhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAaAAaaAaaaaaa?????????????
I remember a Lamborghini engineer saying that if electronic injection had been invented initially, the arrival of the carburetors would have been hailed as an amazing discovery
whoa
I had a aircooled vw beetle 1776 cc engine with a side draft dellorto....
And a t3/4 turbo.
Sadly I needed a home more than I needed a turbo engine and sold it before I ever got to put it in a car.
It ran great though.
No reason you can’t use carb and turbo.
Planning a carb/turbo 3tc. I’m at the research stage right now trying to figure out how to do this.
I wish the had some dcoe side drafts. I need some for a few projects and it would make my life easier to just buy new ones rather than rebuild the worn out one's I have (one has a throttle shaft leak and are the worst to repair).
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man i`m installing a FuelTech (stand alone ECU) on my old Ford Escort Xr3 and looking for trhodlebodyes that looks like old carbs like this one lol :)
What's the jet situation on those? The reason I ask is I strictly run carbs on my drag bikes, and jets can become an issue. I prefer Mikuni carbs and when I first started out I fell for dyno jets tricks and tuning was a nightmare with their jets. It wasn't till I started using Mikuni jets that I was able to get things worked out. I have no doubt your carbs can perform good but I would stick with a well established manufacturers jets. Since those are knock off carbs the jets are probably copies of someone else's jets. Find out what your jets are copies of and use the established brands jets because it will make your life so much easier. Knock off jets do not perform the same as the real deal. Carbs are easy when using quality jets. You could be lucky and your carbs might have jets sourced from an established brand. Good luck.
Well, the Alfa GTV will be a monster if you jam a 3.2 GTA motor in there.... Just saying. If not 3.0 24V with GTA cams :P Cant wait to see the build.
Hello. Any update on this project?
Hope to see a new video soon. Cheers
Hi ! Where will you get the inlet manifolds for those ?
We'll make them 😊
@@d4a Duuuude, I'm sooooooo gonna buy them if you'll consider put them on the market.
how do you match a carburator to an engine?
too small of a carb might not give you enough fuel/power. too large of a carb might not work/ give you way higher fuel consumtption.
I know your starting a new series but I just watched your b16 video and wanted to see a video about nitrous set up and shot ( 50, 75, 100 etc.).
Are parts available for tuning these carburetors? Thank You
I'm also building a 3.5V6 and been looking at these to buy and wonder if I need to tune and change jets are there jets available? Just nervous as I don't want to end up with a lean or rich running engine, many Thanx Gaf
I wish I had a car and could put one or few of these into it.
Any updates on this?
Amazing looking carburetors dude I'm sure they're going to work just fine oh and by the way get a haircut!....😳
all abt that DCOE IDA 48MM WEBER REDLINE SIDE DRAFT 13B lol
I think Alfa Romeo V6 deserves an episode on Iconic Engines ;)
Sure does! And it's getting one soon
Don't use flat mesh filters, they restrict airflow to around 50% of 'hole' area. (depending on actuall wire diameter and mesh )
The Stratos filters, being domed have a larger surface area but still ain't exactly great. If you buy mesh to make some strainers , check the restriction per/sq/cm (or sq/in)
Hey, I'm constantly watching your videos and stealing your ideas. I too am proud 1989 AW11 (supercharger) and 1981 alfa romoe gtv6 owner. You videos are super helpful and I was wondering if you done any update to the GTV6 build specifically regarding the Carbs?
Your opinion ..whats the best oiling system for performance engines.(crankfirst,camfirst,etc,etc..ThankYou. LIFELONG GEARHEAD.
What is the status of this build? Very excited to see this
Any updates yet?
I'm guessing the 4AGE won't be going into another car
Maybe you should keep it for a video tutorial series on building engines?
I was thinking about a bunch of different things I could do with it... But that's actually a really good and sensible suggestion!
@@d4a Should one look forward to it then? :)
Hey D4A put a side draft cab in the description for all us 4 cylinders guys please thanks
Is that GTV from the first era where they used carburators or are you converting an injeted Busso to a carburated one ? I didn't even know that was practical.
It needs to be practical?
@@d4a I mean, it's like reducing the size of an electric car's battery and adding a jet-engine based generator, sure it's hella fun but is the result worth the hassle ?
That's a fun comparison, but it's far less complicated than that. I'm running bike carbs on my own 4age which was previously fuel injected, it's an easy mod, I have dozens of videos on every aspect of it.
@@-na-nomad6247 they don't care about fuel efficiency and emissions since the car doesn't have to pass any emissions and won't be used as a daily
@@d4a Alright, sounds fun, I'll have to see them (only discovered the channel three weeks ago)
My dumb question
Can i fit that carbs into some 2-cylinder motorcycle engine?
In theory you could, but it wouldn't look pretty 😊
@@d4a i don't care about prettiness.
If those carbs tuned properly in those motorcycle inline 2-cylinder engine, i think it would be nice 😆
@@helmysetiabudi9915 Better to find some used Mikuni, specific for bikes, trust me...
@@AlessandroGenTLe Yeah, you are right. But, it will be mad things if i can fit those big carbs. Even if they just can't do their job nicely as real motorcycle carbs
The fiat twin cam so a video on that thing
wheres is the build?
Wheres the rest of the videos
Ain't nobody gonna point out how this guy looks like Bjorn Ironside?
Very cool project! If you like I have some books about tuning Weber carbs, they're very complete, begining with the principles of carburetors operation and going deep about jet sizes and venturis for all displacements and revs, creating a good starting point and some good guidelines to fine tuning them. If you like to, give me your email and I Will be happy to share with you! Please forgive my english kkkk Your channel is awesome! Greetings from Brazil!
You can find my email in the "about" section if you go to my channel. Thank you 😊
I thought you were holding WALL'E or sumthin' from Toy Story😁
Lol!
Maxpeedingrods just needs a name change and better quality. They already have production mass covered
Wow, affordable weber reproductions?! That's really awesome... kind of wish I still had my old Porsche 924S. I was thinking about a weber conversion except for the fact that the carbs would be worth more than the car and it was nearing the end of its practical lifespan without a lot of other restoration work I wasn't in a position to really be able to do. Do they offer a side draft version?
No side draft yet unfortunately, but a lot of people asked in the comments already, so they might change their mind
@@d4a BTW, the Stratos is the most glorious internal combustion sound ever to create sound waves. I can't wait to hear the result!
🤔 should I Go for a 6 cylinder or a 4 cylinder engine? I can’t decide? But I want a 6 cylinder
if it is a k24 or a 3sge beams its yhe only 4 banger decent in comparation whit most 6 cilinders engines,sound, realibity, cost per hp, exept in initial cost, and dimentions.
Sorry i'm still using my 2006 Yamaha Mio which still uses carburetor
fuel inefficient, ill tempered, way of outdated yes, in the power aspect surprisingly competitive :)
i mean to few people realise if you are willing to disregard some fuel consumption they are a good choice compared to ITB's
also FAJS is really popular here in scandinavia at least, half the price of webers and oust need to watch out for base adustments as they are terrible from factory and will need rejetting
THAT´S IT , i had a mr2 AND i have a gtv6 from 83 are you stalking me ? .0. thats niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiccccccccccccccccceeeeeeeeeee
3:11 yes its called : trans axle,serval other alfas hase this and also the Nissan GTR hase this setup
3:20 ,pleeeeaaaase do the 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 on youtube there is almost no data about this, nice engines yes and also sounds waaay better
4:12 ohhhh this is the original opening for the plastic that goes on top, if this fits that would be nice
I wound realy appreciate it when you make more videos of it
I want the 12 too honestly, it does sound better, but we'll have to weigh some pros and cons, but it has a good chance of being chosen. I'm not stalking you... I like your new living new arrangement tho 😉
I have a MR2 and had a 2.5L 12V Alfa 75. Its car nut bingo here..........
Carburador só ganha da injeção na beleza.
Discount code doesn't work here in Australia :( boooo
You should continue with the Toyota MR2. You kind of side stepped.
I didn't, this is a thing on the side. The mr2 is still a priority along with boost school and Iconic engines and other series.
So those are not weber's...they look the exact same
listen, theres a youtube channel you might'a heard of it called Rob Dahm and its run by this insaine doritos addict who recenty made a video that i coulda sworn was made by you. you guys should so do a collaboration that would be the best video on youtube.
Bosnian licence plate?
You bet 😉
Not much just went to a SCCA rallycross and got 4th place in my 07 MDX!
What’s up with you engine head? Oh right Alfa stuff!
It would be nice to have an LS swap in project #underdog
Those things don't even exists in EU (where he is making those videos from)... We don't have push rods from decades...
Also I would need to cut up half of my car 😂
Alex-GenTLe. Your loss. Pushrod engines are superior to ohc engines for everyday driving. More low down torque.
@@David-lr2vi yes, if you waste tons of fuel due to stupidly big engines. That's why we use small engines (2 liters here is a quite big engine), burn less fuel, pollute less and don't need to "export democracy" (read: make war to steal oil) around the world.
Alex-GenTLe. You only use small engines because your governments tax the crap out of petrol and diesel so you need to be rich to be able to afford a car with an engine with a capacity bigger than a can of coke. 😂.
I’ll stick with my 6 litre V8 Holden Commodore for the rest of eternity and end up with a lower carbon footprint than people who change their car every two years because they have to have the latest model car. 😂
At least put up videos of you working on the engine please
12 minutes of advertising. I hope this isn't a sign of things to come.
It is. I have sold my soul to various companies and all I'll be doing now is unboxing videos and ads. Btw, the entire video isn't 12 min, and I don't know understand how the first half is advertising.
@@d4a hahah ok man, not the whole video. Just it was your first video I didn't want to watch cause normally I'm stuck till the end. I think it was the fact that you labelled it new project, then had very little to tell , ie you have a new project in the works, it'll be slow, and then the lingering love letter to your new sponsors product. I'm super happy you like your sponsor and they are paying the bills and their product looks quality, you know your stuff, I take your word for it, but it seemed a bit gratuitous by the end.
Maybe if the video was done with the product in context, ie while you're putting it in it would feel more organic. Sorry man, I know the hustle and I wasn't trying to get you down. It was just a disappointment to read the title about the new project, see nothing of it, and then the long love letter to the carbs. It felt weird.
Got it man. I actually really appreciate honest feedback and you put it nicely. I totally get what you're trying to say, and the video is a bit sub-par. It's just that I've been doing videos every Sunday for over a year and I just can't get past not doing a video on a Sunday, and unfortunately I couldn't manage anything more this Sunday. But.. Lesson learned.
@@d4a the curse of putting out top quality content is that people get accustomed to it 😁. Like I said this is the first vid of yours that's felt flat for me, having said that I don't know how you do it week to week. I was watching one of your older vids again, the Bosnian coffee one. 👍 Really chill vibe, maybe stuff like that to fill a slot, d4a road trip to a car show etc. Save on the exhaustive research and stuff but still satisfies the algorithm.
That "salesman" speak sure made this machinist unsubscribe.
No signs of casting flash.... Then points to one and calls it "grind marks".
Trumpets smooth? Yeah but lousy matching to the cast body with irregular shapes.
No mention of if the shafts ride in bushings or if they rest directly in the cast... Or the quality of the materials used (and high quality alloys cost). My confidence in this channel is definitely lost.
Those are grinding marks. That part usually has significant casting flash and then it's ground away. I don't understand the matching part, the trumpets are matched to the body just fine. Even OEM throttle bodies usually have the shafts in the casting. If you expect bushed shafts on a 110$ carb then you're a bit unrealistic. There's no salesman speak, for the price it's a really nice product and I gave my honest opinion on it. I'm sorry you lost confidence based on this, but if this is all it took, I doubt it's even possible to keep your confidence. Thanks for watching so far.
@@d4a sorry mate, I really appreciate your channel, but in a way at least he is right: the trumpets have visible steps where they attach to the rest of the ducts. It's the first thing I noticed :)
@@d4a You are the one comparing them to carbs 10x the prize. There might be grind marks as well but if so they are in the flash (that's really badly left behind).
Hey, great project. Is it still alive ? As I’m not seeing any updates 1 year after 🥹